I think I've been had...
 

by a shady boat storage marina in Florida.

A year and a half ago I trailered a new Scout Sportsfish 202 from Ma to
Florida and decided to store it a rack storage facility near Jupiter Inlet.
It turns out I never used it in Florida, however I did check on it from time
to time and paid the marina to clean and detail it a couple of times.

The boat had 5 hours on the engine meter (Yamaha 200 four stroke) when I
took it to the storage place. I never took the boat out.

Last week, I had my nephew pick up the boat and clean it up to sell. He
just called me and told me:

a) The boat has a waterline mark on the hull from sitting in a slip on the
ICW.
b) The engine meter now has 23 hours on it.
c) There is some minor damage (2-inch deep scrape) on one of the sides -
something that
would result from a failed docking attempt.

I called the storage place an hour ago and happened to get the owner. I
asked him if he could explain why the engine now has 23 hours and has minor
damage.
He denies that the boat ever left the rack and hung up on me.

Fortunately, other than the minor scrape, the boat is fine otherwise and the
engine runs fine. But man, does this crap **** me off!

Eisboch (venting)

Eisboch wrote:
by a shady boat storage marina in Florida.

A year and a half ago I trailered a new Scout Sportsfish 202 from Ma to
Florida and decided to store it a rack storage facility near Jupiter Inlet.
It turns out I never used it in Florida, however I did check on it from time
to time and paid the marina to clean and detail it a couple of times.

The boat had 5 hours on the engine meter (Yamaha 200 four stroke) when I
took it to the storage place. I never took the boat out.

Last week, I had my nephew pick up the boat and clean it up to sell. He
just called me and told me:

a) The boat has a waterline mark on the hull from sitting in a slip on the
ICW.
b) The engine meter now has 23 hours on it.
c) There is some minor damage (2-inch deep scrape) on one of the sides -
something that
would result from a failed docking attempt.

I called the storage place an hour ago and happened to get the owner. I
asked him if he could explain why the engine now has 23 hours and has minor
damage.
He denies that the boat ever left the rack and hung up on me.

Fortunately, other than the minor scrape, the boat is fine otherwise and the
engine runs fine. But man, does this crap **** me off!

Eisboch (venting)


My first guess would be a weekend joyride by one of the people hired to
"detail" your boat, or maybe the forklift operator. Little Miss Putout
was probably very impressed with her date's "new boat", and a little
beer
(see scrape) probably lubed the situation rather nicely as the date
progressed. Let's hope the unauthorized user (thief) was more skilled
in close-quarter manuevering with Little Miss Putout than with your
Scout Sportfish.

Second and slightly less likely guess is that the forklift operator
accidentally pulled the wrong boat from the rack for another customer.
The customer was about to say something when it occured to him that he
had a brand new boat to use for the day, a full tank of fuel paid for
by somebody else, and that he/she had always wanted to try out a Scout,
anyway.

Another only remotely possible scenario is that they pulled the wrong
boat from the stack for your nephew- and your fresher, lower-hour,
unmarked, and
actually correct boat is still sitting in the rack.

Final thought: Any possibilty your nephew has been getting a little
unauthorized use, and now feels compelled to fess up as the condition
of the boat, the hours on the meter, etc, are likely to be subjects of
discussion with potential buyers? ((Probaby not----the storage yard
would seem culpable or there wouldn't be a need to lie about the boat
never being off the rack. If your nephew had been using the boat, the
yard would have simply said, "We have launched that boat four different
times for your nephew, Mr. X"))

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
by a shady boat storage marina in Florida.

A year and a half ago I trailered a new Scout Sportsfish 202 from Ma to
Florida and decided to store it a rack storage facility near Jupiter
Inlet.
It turns out I never used it in Florida, however I did check on it from
time
to time and paid the marina to clean and detail it a couple of times.

The boat had 5 hours on the engine meter (Yamaha 200 four stroke) when I
took it to the storage place. I never took the boat out.

Last week, I had my nephew pick up the boat and clean it up to sell. He
just called me and told me:

a) The boat has a waterline mark on the hull from sitting in a slip on
the
ICW.
b) The engine meter now has 23 hours on it.
c) There is some minor damage (2-inch deep scrape) on one of the sides -
something that
would result from a failed docking attempt.

I called the storage place an hour ago and happened to get the owner. I
asked him if he could explain why the engine now has 23 hours and has
minor
damage.
He denies that the boat ever left the rack and hung up on me.

Fortunately, other than the minor scrape, the boat is fine otherwise and
the
engine runs fine. But man, does this crap **** me off!

Eisboch (venting)

Welcome to the miserable world of rack storage in Florida. I've stored
boats at 2 different locations, and each one was a terrible experience that
just added one more angst to boat ownership that I really didn't need.

There are private boat rack storage/condos popping up all over down here.
They cost a fortune to purchase, but they appreciate in value, and they seem
to do a much better job at taking care of your boat and providing better
piece of mind than the rental places offer.

The boat business is where car dealers were 30 years ago. I got so fed up,
that I sold my rack-stored boat and went to a trailerable boat. When I got
the itch to get a bigger boat again, I bought a house on the water.

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 15:33:17 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote:

~` snippage ~~

He denies that the boat ever left the rack and hung up on me.

If you can prove it only ad 4 hours on it, take him to small claims
court - it's obvious he used the boat while it was in his custody.

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 15:33:17 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote:

~` snippage ~~

He denies that the boat ever left the rack and hung up on me.

If you can prove it only ad 4 hours on it, take him to small claims
court - it's obvious he used the boat while it was in his custody.

First if what your saying is true, you need to retaliate in a way that
gives you and other boaters satisfaction. Blast the Marina name every
where that you can, next do not pay the asshole, next sue or threaten to
, that's a bit of a motavator down your way, next go boating and reflect
THAT'S BOATING.

"Dry" wrote in message
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 15:33:17 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote:

~` snippage ~~

He denies that the boat ever left the rack and hung up on me.

If you can prove it only ad 4 hours on it, take him to small claims
court - it's obvious he used the boat while it was in his custody.

First if what your saying is true, you need to retaliate in a way that
gives you and other boaters satisfaction. Blast the Marina name every
where that you can, next do not pay the asshole, next sue or threaten to
, that's a bit of a motavator down your way, next go boating and reflect
THAT'S BOATING.

But that does not solve the problem....it is only being retaliatory.

"*JimH*" wrote in message
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"Dry" wrote in message
...
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 15:33:17 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote:

~` snippage ~~

He denies that the boat ever left the rack and hung up on me.

If you can prove it only ad 4 hours on it, take him to small claims
court - it's obvious he used the boat while it was in his custody.

First if what your saying is true, you need to retaliate in a way that
gives you and other boaters satisfaction. Blast the Marina name every
where that you can, next do not pay the asshole, next sue or threaten to
, that's a bit of a motavator down your way, next go boating and reflect
THAT'S BOATING.

But that does not solve the problem....it is only being retaliatory.




BTW: Sorry to hear about your problems Eisboch.



















But then again, folks who can afford to buy his and hers 48+ foot Grand
Banks and a winter retreat in Florida (on the water with a screened in
swimming pool) deserve some grief once in a while. g

In article .com,
says...

My first guess would be a weekend joyride by one of the people hired to
"detail" your boat, or maybe the forklift operator. Little Miss Putout
was probably very impressed with her date's "new boat", and a little
beer (see scrape) probably lubed the situation rather nicely as the date
progressed.

I sense some projecting here Chuck.

I had similar fantasies while growing up, portions of which were
realized. Fortunately, I didn't have to steal a boat since my folks had
an Owens with plenty of mahogany and teak that required my attention.

Tell me you never did the same?

jps

*JimH* wrote in message
...


BTW: Sorry to hear about your problems Eisboch.


But then again, folks who can afford to buy his and hers 48+ foot Grand
Banks and a winter retreat in Florida (on the water with a screened in
swimming pool) deserve some grief once in a while. g


Methinks you have a couple of us confused in your mind there Jim. But -
thanks for the thought anyway.

Eisboch

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote in message
...
On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 15:33:17 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote:

~` snippage ~~

He denies that the boat ever left the rack and hung up on me.

If you can prove it only ad 4 hours on it, take him to small claims
court - it's obvious he used the boat while it was in his custody.

When I first got off the phone with him my emotions ruled and I was ready to
call F.Lee Bailey.

After a while, though, more realistic thoughts emerged. First, I can't prove
anything regarding hours (although I have several people who know the whole
story). Bottom line is it just ain't worth the bother or effort. Sometimes
you have to accept the risks you take and accept the results. Having run a
business for many years, my gut feeling is that his is not long for this
world anyway.

Eisboch

jps wrote in message
...
In article .com,
says...

My first guess would be a weekend joyride by one of the people hired to
"detail" your boat, or maybe the forklift operator. Little Miss Putout
was probably very impressed with her date's "new boat", and a little
beer (see scrape) probably lubed the situation rather nicely as the date
progressed.

I sense some projecting here Chuck.

I had similar fantasies while growing up, portions of which were
realized. Fortunately, I didn't have to steal a boat since my folks had
an Owens with plenty of mahogany and teak that required my attention.

Tell me you never did the same?

jps

Of all Chuck's theories, I think this one had the most merit.

Eisboch

On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:32:41 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 15:33:17 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote:

~` snippage ~~

He denies that the boat ever left the rack and hung up on me.

If you can prove it only ad 4 hours on it, take him to small claims
court - it's obvious he used the boat while it was in his custody.

When I first got off the phone with him my emotions ruled and I was ready to
call F.Lee Bailey.

ROTFL!!!!

After a while, though, more realistic thoughts emerged. First, I can't prove
anything regarding hours (although I have several people who know the whole
story). Bottom line is it just ain't worth the bother or effort. Sometimes
you have to accept the risks you take and accept the results. Having run a
business for many years, my gut feeling is that his is not long for this
world anyway.

Too true.

Hey, it all comes out in the wash. When the bad karma is accounted
for, he'll be relegated to working his way back up the vertebrate food
chain for the next couple hundred lifetimes. :)

On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:45:13 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote:


jps wrote in message
.. .
In article .com,
says...

My first guess would be a weekend joyride by one of the people hired to
"detail" your boat, or maybe the forklift operator. Little Miss Putout
was probably very impressed with her date's "new boat", and a little
beer (see scrape) probably lubed the situation rather nicely as the date
progressed.

I sense some projecting here Chuck.

I had similar fantasies while growing up, portions of which were
realized. Fortunately, I didn't have to steal a boat since my folks had
an Owens with plenty of mahogany and teak that required my attention.

Tell me you never did the same?

jps

Of all Chuck's theories, I think this one had the most merit.

Personally, I took offense at Little Miss Putout - I mean talk about
an anti-feminist characterization. For all Chuck knows, she may have
been the Minister's daughter.

Hmmmm - on second thought....

Never mind.

~~ harrumph ~~ :)

In article tQFye.1087647$w62.1038130@bgtnsc05-
news.ops.worldnet.att.net, says...

jps wrote in message
...
In article .com,
says...

My first guess would be a weekend joyride by one of the people hired to
"detail" your boat, or maybe the forklift operator. Little Miss Putout
was probably very impressed with her date's "new boat", and a little
beer (see scrape) probably lubed the situation rather nicely as the date
progressed.

I sense some projecting here Chuck.

I had similar fantasies while growing up, portions of which were
realized. Fortunately, I didn't have to steal a boat since my folks had
an Owens with plenty of mahogany and teak that required my attention.

Tell me you never did the same?

jps

Of all Chuck's theories, I think this one had the most merit.

Yes, seems to be firmly grounded in reality. Perhaps even empirical.

jps

In article ,
says...
On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:32:41 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Hey, it all comes out in the wash. When the bad karma is accounted
for, he'll be relegated to working his way back up the vertebrate food
chain for the next couple hundred lifetimes. :)

Do your wife and children know you're talking this way? Sounds a bit
cosmic for your ilk.

jps

On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:29:28 -0700, jps wrote:

In article ,
says...
On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:32:41 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Hey, it all comes out in the wash. When the bad karma is accounted
for, he'll be relegated to working his way back up the vertebrate food
chain for the next couple hundred lifetimes. :)

Do your wife and children know you're talking this way? Sounds a bit
cosmic for your ilk.

My ilk? As in type or kind? I'm typecast as not being capable of
understanding a foreign concept like karma?

Bummer....

My wife and children are leftist commie pinkos. Good people and we
are all one happy family, but they are what they are. And I am what I
am - Cosmic man - truly cosmic.

In article ,
says...
On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:29:28 -0700, jps wrote:

In article ,
says...
On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:32:41 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Hey, it all comes out in the wash. When the bad karma is accounted
for, he'll be relegated to working his way back up the vertebrate food
chain for the next couple hundred lifetimes. :)

Do your wife and children know you're talking this way? Sounds a bit
cosmic for your ilk.

My ilk? As in type or kind? I'm typecast as not being capable of
understanding a foreign concept like karma?

Bummer....

My wife and children are leftist commie pinkos. Good people and we
are all one happy family, but they are what they are. And I am what I
am - Cosmic man - truly cosmic.

To me, you seem like you might be more comfy with the Hairy Thunderer
than the Comic Muffin. If I'm wrong, please accept my apology and
congratulations.

My next (perhaps unfounded) assumption is that your commie wife and kids
have at least something to do with your cosmicness.

jps

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

*JimH* wrote in message
...


BTW: Sorry to hear about your problems Eisboch.


But then again, folks who can afford to buy his and hers 48+ foot Grand
Banks and a winter retreat in Florida (on the water with a screened in
swimming pool) deserve some grief once in a while. g


Methinks you have a couple of us confused in your mind there Jim. But -
thanks for the thought anyway.

Eisboch



How was I wrong....perhaps on the length of the Grand Banks you purchased
for her?

jps wrote:
In article .com,
says...

My first guess would be a weekend joyride by one of the people hired to
"detail" your boat, or maybe the forklift operator. Little Miss Putout
was probably very impressed with her date's "new boat", and a little
beer (see scrape) probably lubed the situation rather nicely as the date
progressed.

I sense some projecting here Chuck.

I had similar fantasies while growing up, portions of which were
realized. Fortunately, I didn't have to steal a boat since my folks had
an Owens with plenty of mahogany and teak that required my attention.

Tell me you never did the same?



I have a unique perspective on similar incidents, having been in the
automobile business for a long time. You don't even want to hear the
stories about lot boys (and some salesmen) and conversion vans... but
one bears mentioning. I used to rev-up the sales team with a Hu-Rah!
meeting every Saturday morning, and one week we were advertising a big
sales promotion on conversion vans. Immediately after the meeting, we
went out to the garage to move the conversion vans to the front line,
deck them out with balloons, and make a big schlocky "to-do". I opened
up a freshly detailed conversion van to discover my partner's
20-something son (who had been absent from the meeting) and his
hope-she-was-legal conquest of the night before passed out inside the
van. We can say they weren't "dressed for prime time." I think we had
to reupholster the fold-out couch. :-)

Personally, I took offense at Little Miss Putout - I mean talk about
an anti-feminist characterization. For all Chuck knows, she may have
been the Minister's daughter.

Hmmmm - on second thought....



Being a minister's daughter and Little Miss Putout aren't necessarily
mutually exclusive.



Never mind.

~~ harrumph ~~ :)

In article .com,
says...


jps wrote:
In article .com,
says...

My first guess would be a weekend joyride by one of the people hired to
"detail" your boat, or maybe the forklift operator. Little Miss Putout
was probably very impressed with her date's "new boat", and a little
beer (see scrape) probably lubed the situation rather nicely as the date
progressed.

I sense some projecting here Chuck.

I had similar fantasies while growing up, portions of which were
realized. Fortunately, I didn't have to steal a boat since my folks had
an Owens with plenty of mahogany and teak that required my attention.

Tell me you never did the same?



I have a unique perspective on similar incidents, having been in the
automobile business for a long time. You don't even want to hear the
stories about lot boys (and some salesmen) and conversion vans... but
one bears mentioning. I used to rev-up the sales team with a Hu-Rah!
meeting every Saturday morning, and one week we were advertising a big
sales promotion on conversion vans. Immediately after the meeting, we
went out to the garage to move the conversion vans to the front line,
deck them out with balloons, and make a big schlocky "to-do". I opened
up a freshly detailed conversion van to discover my partner's
20-something son (who had been absent from the meeting) and his
hope-she-was-legal conquest of the night before passed out inside the
van. We can say they weren't "dressed for prime time." I think we had
to reupholster the fold-out couch. :-)


Great story, made me laugh. As a 16 year old I dreamed of owning a
panel wagon or hearse with the sole purpose of it being a mobile
boudoir.

Your partner's son had it easy.

jps

On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 19:10:47 -0700, jps wrote:

In article ,
says...
On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:29:28 -0700, jps wrote:

In article ,
says...
On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:32:41 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Hey, it all comes out in the wash. When the bad karma is accounted
for, he'll be relegated to working his way back up the vertebrate food
chain for the next couple hundred lifetimes. :)

Do your wife and children know you're talking this way? Sounds a bit
cosmic for your ilk.

My ilk? As in type or kind? I'm typecast as not being capable of
understanding a foreign concept like karma?

Bummer....

My wife and children are leftist commie pinkos. Good people and we
are all one happy family, but they are what they are. And I am what I
am - Cosmic man - truly cosmic.

To me, you seem like you might be more comfy with the Hairy Thunderer
than the Comic Muffin. If I'm wrong, please accept my apology and
congratulations.

MIGHTY THOR!!!! I Like it.

My next (perhaps unfounded) assumption is that your commie wife and kids
have at least something to do with your cosmicness.

I kid them a lot and vice versa, but it works. My comicne ...er...
cosmicness actually comes from being a science fiction fan, engineer
and part time philosopher. :)

i would file a complaint with the Attorney General Office and then with the
better business burea. You might be able to get him to cover the cost of the
repairs .Atleast anyone can see if he has a mark against his business when
checking up on them.
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
by a shady boat storage marina in Florida.

A year and a half ago I trailered a new Scout Sportsfish 202 from Ma to
Florida and decided to store it a rack storage facility near Jupiter
Inlet.
It turns out I never used it in Florida, however I did check on it from
time
to time and paid the marina to clean and detail it a couple of times.

The boat had 5 hours on the engine meter (Yamaha 200 four stroke) when I
took it to the storage place. I never took the boat out.

Last week, I had my nephew pick up the boat and clean it up to sell. He
just called me and told me:

a) The boat has a waterline mark on the hull from sitting in a slip on
the
ICW.
b) The engine meter now has 23 hours on it.
c) There is some minor damage (2-inch deep scrape) on one of the sides -
something that
would result from a failed docking attempt.

I called the storage place an hour ago and happened to get the owner. I
asked him if he could explain why the engine now has 23 hours and has
minor
damage.
He denies that the boat ever left the rack and hung up on me.

Fortunately, other than the minor scrape, the boat is fine otherwise and
the
engine runs fine. But man, does this crap **** me off!

Eisboch (venting)