On 28 Jun 2005 05:09:01 -0700, wrote:

Unless the vessel crossing the channel had dayshapes up for Not Under
Command. If she had perhaps a rudder casualty.

Granted the guy/gal was probably just a bone head. But nothing much has
een said about any dayshapses, lights or audible signals that were or
were not present.

I haven't seen a dayshape on any tug, fishing vessel or bouy tender in
years - like almost 25 or so and I travel through some of the most
heavily traveled areas in the world. :)

What Matt eventually detailed was a bone head maneuver on the part of
a tour boat operator who had pudding for brains.

On 28 Jun 2005 04:55:45 -0700, wrote:



William Andersen wrote:
What does matter for example, constrained by
draft to operation in the channel.

You might want to be careful with this term. As it has no menaing
inside the US Colregs demarcation line. Many participants here will
never venture to a place where Constrained by Draft would apply.

That's not true. Narragansett Bay is a prime example of CbD vessels
along with parts of Long Island Sound around New Haven, New London and
Bridgeport. Also in the Rules there are numerous mentions of vessels
doing this or that in relation to available depth of water.

This is a pretty big newsgroup with lots of people in the strangest
places. :)

On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 08:45:10 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 28 Jun 2005 04:55:45 -0700, wrote:



William Andersen wrote:

What does matter for example, constrained by
draft to operation in the channel.


You might want to be careful with this term. As it has no menaing
inside the US Colregs demarcation line. Many participants here will
never venture to a place where Constrained by Draft would apply.


That's not true. Narragansett Bay is a prime example of CbD vessels
along with parts of Long Island Sound around New Haven, New London and
Bridgeport. Also in the Rules there are numerous mentions of vessels
doing this or that in relation to available depth of water.

This is a pretty big newsgroup with lots of people in the strangest
places. :)

And some of the strangest people in lots of places.

Or that.

The difference is that on Inland Waters a vessel that would be
Constrained by Draft, under International Rules. Becomes a Vessel
Restricted in Ability to Manuver.

Granted the guy/gal was probably just a bone head. But nothing much has
een said about any dayshapses, lights or audible signals that were or
were not present.


Making assumptions again... probably weren't any...

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
I haven't seen a dayshape on any tug, fishing vessel or bouy tender in
years - like almost 25 or so and I travel through some of the most
heavily traveled areas in the world. :)

Really? We travel the ICW from Baltimore south to Charleston several
times a year, and see day shapes all the time. They're not common on
private vessels, but all the bouy tenders & dredges show them... some of
the tugs use little tiny ones that you can't see unless you're already
'way 'way too close.



What Matt eventually detailed was a bone head maneuver on the part of
a tour boat operator who had pudding for brains.

Agreed... actually, it sounds like pudding would be an improvement over
what that tour boat operator has for brains...

DSK

On 28 Jun 2005 07:07:36 -0700, wrote:

The difference is that on Inland Waters a vessel that would be
Constrained by Draft, under International Rules. Becomes a Vessel
Restricted in Ability to Manuver.

Ok, I'm game - what is the difference?

It's my understanding that Constrained by Draft is for deep draft
vessels operating in channels or deep fairways - they can still stop
and maneuver, etc, but only within the confines of their draft.

Restricted Ability to Maneuver covers a whole variety of things from
WIGs to long/short tows, tows in constrained areas, operational
problems - in short the restricted ability to deviate from a course
for reasons other than draft.

If that's not correct, I'd really appreciate an explanation.

Yes this was an example of a bone headed maneuver. But I can think of
several slight variations on this event. That would have changed who
was stand on vs. give way. If the commercial vessel was RAM/CBD and
needed the other side of the marked channel for deepest water. etc.
Just because there are plenty of idiots at the helm of commercial
craft. Does not mean that commercial craft are always in the wrong.

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:


I haven't seen a dayshape on any tug, fishing vessel or bouy tender in
years - like almost 25 or so and I travel through some of the most
heavily traveled areas in the world. :)


Interesting ..... My observation is that the above groups are the most
prolific users of "day shapes".

otn

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:



That's not true. Narragansett Bay is a prime example of CbD vessels
along with parts of Long Island Sound around New Haven, New London and
Bridgeport. Also in the Rules there are numerous mentions of vessels
doing this or that in relation to available depth of water.


A number of issues here are regarding specific wording within the Rules.
"Constrained by Draft" is only used in International rules, since it can
easily apply to an area which is totally unmarked as to a specific channel.
Although the term itself can easily be used to discuss vessels in a
narrow confined inland channel, for the purposes of a "Rules" discussion
and particularly a "Rules" test, this can lead to problems within the
discussion.
The same applies to "Right of way" and to VTS/TSS.
One other point ..... what may be a large open bay/channel to a small
boat, can easily be a narrow confined channel to a ship.

otn

On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:32:42 GMT, otnmbrd
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:


I haven't seen a dayshape on any tug, fishing vessel or bouy tender in
years - like almost 25 or so and I travel through some of the most
heavily traveled areas in the world. :)


Interesting ..... My observation is that the above groups are the most
prolific users of "day shapes".

Where would that be because they sure as hell don't up in the area I
run in.