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Suzuki DF140 quality and prices
I am in the market for a 2005 Suzuki DF140 with a 25" shaft. The boat
I have is a one off custom that is based on a Olympic Boat Company Evolution 17 hull. The max horsepower for a production version of this boat is 140hp and I want the maximum power possible. I'll have the boat at Lake Tahoe now and then and I don't want it to be grossly underpowered at 6200'. I live in California, so a four-stroke is the only way to go as I plan to use the boat for many years. California is becoming very restrictive in what type of motor can be use on fresh water. How good are the DF140s? I can't seem to find much negative feedback about them. I have been quoted US$9300.00 for a 25" DF140 for the motor only. Rigging, controls, Tachometer, and Prop are not included in this price. From what I can find on the 'net this is not exactly a good deal. However, this is not the time of year to be trying to get good deals on boat stuff. Most of my use for the boat will be freshwater lakes (resevoirs) with occasional use in the ocean. The DF140 is about 425lbs with a 25" shaft. It is a small package compared to a Honda 130/135. The Hondas are very large (Huge) and would be grossly out of proportion for my boat. Their 530lb weight is a big factor as well. Yamaha has a 115 and a 150, but they are big and heavy like the Hondas, from what I can tell. Any information will be greatly appreciated. |
" wrote in message ps.com... I am in the market for a 2005 Suzuki DF140 with a 25" shaft. The boat I have is a one off custom that is based on a Olympic Boat Company Evolution 17 hull. The max horsepower for a production version of this boat is 140hp and I want the maximum power possible. I'll have the boat at Lake Tahoe now and then and I don't want it to be grossly underpowered at 6200'. I live in California, so a four-stroke is the only way to go as I plan to use the boat for many years. California is becoming very restrictive in what type of motor can be use on fresh water. How good are the DF140s? I can't seem to find much negative feedback about them. I have been quoted US$9300.00 for a 25" DF140 for the motor only. Rigging, controls, Tachometer, and Prop are not included in this price. You can do better on the price, but the Suzuki four-strokes are perhaps the best motors on the market right now. My brother has a 140 with 200 hours, and I have a 250 with 210 hours. Neither of us has had even a small problem with our motors. Gene Kearns has a pair of them on his Grady. I'm pretty sure he hasn't had any trouble with his either. |
Thanks for the info on reliability.
The problem with Suzuki motors and pricing is that there is one dealer in my area. Many people advise paying a higher price to a local dealer so as to establish a good working relationship for warranty issues, etc. Buying from a remote dealer may get a better price. It can come back to bite you if you need warranty service. I live near San Luis Obispo. The nearest dealer is Port San Luis Marine. They are 1/2 hour from my house. The next closest are in Fresno, Clovis, Oxnard, and Santa Cruz. All of which are 2-3 1/2 hours away. This part of the world is vacationland, so everything costs more than the urban areas. For a good laugh look up the cost of real estate in San Luis Obispo county, then the major employers. We pay higher prices pretty much everything except the local produce at the farmer's markets. Outboard motors are no different, it seems. You can do better on the price, but the Suzuki four-strokes are perhaps the best motors on the market right now. My brother has a 140 with 200 hours, and I have a 250 with 210 hours. Neither of us has had even a small problem with our motors. Gene Kearns has a pair of them on his Grady. I'm pretty sure he hasn't had any trouble with his either. |
On 20 Jun 2005 15:17:59 -0700, "
wrote: Thanks for the info on reliability. The problem with Suzuki motors and pricing is that there is one dealer in my area. Many people advise paying a higher price to a local dealer so as to establish a good working relationship for warranty issues, etc. Buying from a remote dealer may get a better price. It can come back to bite you if you need warranty service. I live near San Luis Obispo. The nearest dealer is Port San Luis Marine. They are 1/2 hour from my house. The next closest are in Fresno, Clovis, Oxnard, and Santa Cruz. All of which are 2-3 1/2 hours away. This part of the world is vacationland, so everything costs more than the urban areas. For a good laugh look up the cost of real estate in San Luis Obispo county, then the major employers. We pay higher prices pretty much everything except the local produce at the farmer's markets. Outboard motors are no different, it seems. Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"John H" wrote in message ... On 20 Jun 2005 15:17:59 -0700, " wrote: Thanks for the info on reliability. The problem with Suzuki motors and pricing is that there is one dealer in my area. Many people advise paying a higher price to a local dealer so as to establish a good working relationship for warranty issues, etc. Buying from a remote dealer may get a better price. It can come back to bite you if you need warranty service. I live near San Luis Obispo. The nearest dealer is Port San Luis Marine. They are 1/2 hour from my house. The next closest are in Fresno, Clovis, Oxnard, and Santa Cruz. All of which are 2-3 1/2 hours away. This part of the world is vacationland, so everything costs more than the urban areas. For a good laugh look up the cost of real estate in San Luis Obispo county, then the major employers. We pay higher prices pretty much everything except the local produce at the farmer's markets. Outboard motors are no different, it seems. Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Jolon, now that was bad. |
"Del Cecchi" wrote in message ... "John H" wrote in message ... On 20 Jun 2005 15:17:59 -0700, " wrote: Thanks for the info on reliability. The problem with Suzuki motors and pricing is that there is one dealer in my area. Many people advise paying a higher price to a local dealer so as to establish a good working relationship for warranty issues, etc. Buying from a remote dealer may get a better price. It can come back to bite you if you need warranty service. I live near San Luis Obispo. The nearest dealer is Port San Luis Marine. They are 1/2 hour from my house. The next closest are in Fresno, Clovis, Oxnard, and Santa Cruz. All of which are 2-3 1/2 hours away. This part of the world is vacationland, so everything costs more than the urban areas. For a good laugh look up the cost of real estate in San Luis Obispo county, then the major employers. We pay higher prices pretty much everything except the local produce at the farmer's markets. Outboard motors are no different, it seems. Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Jolon, now that was bad. But the bar had good Mexican Pizza. |
"Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... "Del Cecchi" wrote in message ... "John H" wrote in message ... On 20 Jun 2005 15:17:59 -0700, " wrote: Thanks for the info on reliability. The problem with Suzuki motors and pricing is that there is one dealer in my area. Many people advise paying a higher price to a local dealer so as to establish a good working relationship for warranty issues, etc. Buying from a remote dealer may get a better price. It can come back to bite you if you need warranty service. I live near San Luis Obispo. The nearest dealer is Port San Luis Marine. They are 1/2 hour from my house. The next closest are in Fresno, Clovis, Oxnard, and Santa Cruz. All of which are 2-3 1/2 hours away. This part of the world is vacationland, so everything costs more than the urban areas. For a good laugh look up the cost of real estate in San Luis Obispo county, then the major employers. We pay higher prices pretty much everything except the local produce at the farmer's markets. Outboard motors are no different, it seems. Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Jolon, now that was bad. But the bar had good Mexican Pizza. Never saw a bar in Jolon when I was around there, in the 71-73 time frame. Guys were volunteering for Nam to get out of Jolon. :-) |
When did you spend time in Paso Robles?
Paso has grown very quickly in the past ten years. The wine industry has mostly taken over from ranching and dry farming. There has been national press describing the Paso Robles area as the next Napa. (not that that is a good thing) Paso is about to surpass SLO town as the biggest city in the county. I live in Mudhole, aka, Atascadero. John H wrote: Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
Thanks for the info. I think the price is pretty high, too. There
isn't any competition around here, so to a certain extent I am stuck. I need a few other things done to the boat. It was never finished by the builder. There are a couple pictures at http://community.webshots.com/script...6297&r an=124 I'll upload more soon. I have dial-up at home. ;-( The deck is multiple layers of marine ply topped with 1/2" mahogany and alaskan yellow cedar. All were bedded in expoy. The woodwork is excellent. There is a layer of glass over the wood, and multiple layers of Z-Spar varnish on that. The boat will live in my garage except when it is taken out to play. It looks like an old Century/Chris-Craft runabout, except for the white hull. I wanted a unique boat and I got one. I have the seats that were ordered for the boat. The frames for the back seat are already in place. The front bucket seats were never mounted and I haven't decided if I want boxes or posts. No controls or instruments were ever installed. The dash is a big slab of mahogany with a layer of glass. There is a built in 27 gallon fuel tank. The aluminum post is a ski pole that is likely too short, so I'll need an extension for it. The holes for the deck hardware were drilled and filled with epoxy. I have the cleats, but not the chocks. I also got a teleflex steering box, the cable, a steering wheel, and a roll of marine carpet with the boat. It isn't far from being done. All I have to do is apply a generous amount of money. ;-) |
" wrote in message ps.com... I am in the market for a 2005 Suzuki DF140 with a 25" shaft. The 140 4-stroke Johnson Outboard is the same as a Suzuki 4-stroke 140 and may be priced less and have more servicing dealers than Suzuk doesi. I live in California, so a four-stroke is the only way to go as I plan to use the boat for many years. California is becoming very restrictive in what type of motor can be use on fresh water. California regulates the output emissions from an outboard, not the type of outboard. I understand that the Lake Tahoe patrol boats use the 2-stroke DFI Evinrudes because they have fewer total emissions than an equivalent 4-stroke outboard. Bill Grannis service manager |
"Del Cecchi" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... "Del Cecchi" wrote in message ... "John H" wrote in message ... On 20 Jun 2005 15:17:59 -0700, " wrote: Thanks for the info on reliability. The problem with Suzuki motors and pricing is that there is one dealer in my area. Many people advise paying a higher price to a local dealer so as to establish a good working relationship for warranty issues, etc. Buying from a remote dealer may get a better price. It can come back to bite you if you need warranty service. I live near San Luis Obispo. The nearest dealer is Port San Luis Marine. They are 1/2 hour from my house. The next closest are in Fresno, Clovis, Oxnard, and Santa Cruz. All of which are 2-3 1/2 hours away. This part of the world is vacationland, so everything costs more than the urban areas. For a good laugh look up the cost of real estate in San Luis Obispo county, then the major employers. We pay higher prices pretty much everything except the local produce at the farmer's markets. Outboard motors are no different, it seems. Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Jolon, now that was bad. But the bar had good Mexican Pizza. Never saw a bar in Jolon when I was around there, in the 71-73 time frame. Guys were volunteering for Nam to get out of Jolon. :-) Use to pig hunt at Hunter-Ligget during the 80's. Was a pizza parlor / bar then just outside the gates. Last time I was there, was closed. My buddies in the Army reserve use to do summer camp there in the 70's. They enjoyed it, as they were engineers, and had a water treatment plant. They used the dozer to make a swimming hole and a trench to hold the daily 500#'s of ice and the beer. |
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:16:29 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "Del Cecchi" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... "Del Cecchi" wrote in message ... "John H" wrote in message ... On 20 Jun 2005 15:17:59 -0700, " wrote: Thanks for the info on reliability. The problem with Suzuki motors and pricing is that there is one dealer in my area. Many people advise paying a higher price to a local dealer so as to establish a good working relationship for warranty issues, etc. Buying from a remote dealer may get a better price. It can come back to bite you if you need warranty service. I live near San Luis Obispo. The nearest dealer is Port San Luis Marine. They are 1/2 hour from my house. The next closest are in Fresno, Clovis, Oxnard, and Santa Cruz. All of which are 2-3 1/2 hours away. This part of the world is vacationland, so everything costs more than the urban areas. For a good laugh look up the cost of real estate in San Luis Obispo county, then the major employers. We pay higher prices pretty much everything except the local produce at the farmer's markets. Outboard motors are no different, it seems. Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Jolon, now that was bad. But the bar had good Mexican Pizza. Never saw a bar in Jolon when I was around there, in the 71-73 time frame. Guys were volunteering for Nam to get out of Jolon. :-) Use to pig hunt at Hunter-Ligget during the 80's. Was a pizza parlor / bar then just outside the gates. Last time I was there, was closed. My buddies in the Army reserve use to do summer camp there in the 70's. They enjoyed it, as they were engineers, and had a water treatment plant. They used the dozer to make a swimming hole and a trench to hold the daily 500#'s of ice and the beer. Was it Reserve engineers or National Guard? I spent many a summer working with a National Guard engineer battalion there, but never with any Reserves. There was a little nudist beach (Pirate's Cove?) close to San Luis Obispo that we'd run to for some sunshine. The Guard unit had some Combat Engineer Vehicles that we'd take out to the range and play with. They're built on an M-60 tank chassis, with a boom, winch, dozer blade, and a 165mm main gun. Made a lot of noise, but not very accurate. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
On 20 Jun 2005 19:54:08 -0700, "
wrote: When did you spend time in Paso Robles? Paso has grown very quickly in the past ten years. The wine industry has mostly taken over from ranching and dry farming. There has been national press describing the Paso Robles area as the next Napa. (not that that is a good thing) Paso is about to surpass SLO town as the biggest city in the county. I live in Mudhole, aka, Atascadero. John H wrote: Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." I worked with engineer units as an advisor in the '76 to '78 time frame. Used to spend a good part of the summer at Camp Roberts (or Hunter-Ligget). Actually, I think Camp Roberts was across the road, but not sure of the relationship any more. I would go with them on their summer camp and help with training planning and conduct. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
You likely would not recognize much of the area with the development
that has taken place. Paso Robles still gets over 100 degrees in the summer and into the low 30s in the winter. Some things haven't changed... The downtown are has been revitalized with a lot of tourist based business, IE, upscale resturants and boutiques, etc. The earthquake in 2003 took out several of the old buildings, but rebuilding is progressing nicely. They still haven't figured out how to plug the smelly spring that started up in the parking lot of the city hall. They have diverted the water down to the Salinas river, so the sulphur stink has been removed from the downtown area, unless the wind is from the east. If you drive through on 101 you would think that Paso Robles has a bad sewer plant. There are something like 70 wineries in the area now. http://www.pasowine.com has a bunch of info if you are interested. Thanks again for the info on the DF140. John H wrote: On 20 Jun 2005 19:54:08 -0700, " wrote: When did you spend time in Paso Robles? Paso has grown very quickly in the past ten years. The wine industry has mostly taken over from ranching and dry farming. There has been national press describing the Paso Robles area as the next Napa. (not that that is a good thing) Paso is about to surpass SLO town as the biggest city in the county. I live in Mudhole, aka, Atascadero. John H wrote: Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." I worked with engineer units as an advisor in the '76 to '78 time frame. Used to spend a good part of the summer at Camp Roberts (or Hunter-Ligget). Actually, I think Camp Roberts was across the road, but not sure of the relationship any more. I would go with them on their summer camp and help with training planning and conduct. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
I have read about the Suzuki/Johnson 140.
Johnson was bought by Bombardier a few years ago. They issued this following announcement on April 27, 2005. http://www.johnson.com/docs/320001/0_794_US.htm The key phrase in that document is "BRP will no longer offer the Johnson 40-225 hp four-stroke engines in the North American market". I expect that will have an impact on service and support, even if the motors are Suzukis. It would be interesting to know if Bombardier was planning to take some of their 4-stroke Rotax 912 technology and apply it to the outboard motor market. Those motors are very popular in the aviation market and have established an excellent reputation for reliability. If they wanted to, they could design a very light and powerful motor with ease. The other problem is that the nearest dealer is 130 miles away. You are correct regarding the output emissions regulations in California. There are two stroke engine that meet the EPA 2006 regs. California will be moving to the EPA 2008 regs in the near future. It remains to be seen if the existing motors will be "grandfathered". It didn't happen before and I doubt it will this time. I am very skeptical about the long term success of running a 2-stroke on an extremely lean mixture. The manufacturers have done extensive field testing on the backs of the early buyers of these designs. They may have figured out the real world problems and resolved them. I don't want to find out at my expense that they haven't quite resolved them all. One issue I have is the lack of dealers that are within a reasonable distance of where I live. Another issue is that the outboard business has had a lot of turnover in recent years with OMC going under, etc. Suzuki and Honda are worldwide companies that sell a lot of things other than outboards. Suzuki cars aren't as nice as Hondas, but they are as reliable, by most accounts. Suzuki isn't likely to go away anytime soon, as far as I can tell. |
Was stationed at Camp Roberts 63. I was in the 59th Engineer Company
(Combat/Seperate) attached to the 194th Armored Bde which had a tank Bn at Roberts. This was a Regular Army outfit Spent seven months there and TDY to Hunter Ligget to run experiments. Our unit was tested for endurance wearing a gas mask for several days and nights at a time. Yes, we slept in them. We did get to remove them for meals only. We all were required to wear sanitary pads with little bulb thermometers up our U NO whats. Guys with white coats and clip boards would take our temps from time to time by plugging into a lead attached to our shirt collars. We were required to do things like build timber trestle bridges under these conditions. Several men per day would pass out after the first couple of days. At least there was plenty of medical attention available. I spent seven months in that unit. Out of over 35 years of active duty that was the only assignment I absolutely hated. Butch "John H" wrote in message ... On 20 Jun 2005 19:54:08 -0700, " wrote: When did you spend time in Paso Robles? Paso has grown very quickly in the past ten years. The wine industry has mostly taken over from ranching and dry farming. There has been national press describing the Paso Robles area as the next Napa. (not that that is a good thing) Paso is about to surpass SLO town as the biggest city in the county. I live in Mudhole, aka, Atascadero. John H wrote: Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." I worked with engineer units as an advisor in the '76 to '78 time frame. Used to spend a good part of the summer at Camp Roberts (or Hunter-Ligget). Actually, I think Camp Roberts was across the road, but not sure of the relationship any more. I would go with them on their summer camp and help with training planning and conduct. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"John H" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:16:29 GMT, "Bill McKee" wrote: "Del Cecchi" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... "Del Cecchi" wrote in message ... "John H" wrote in message ... On 20 Jun 2005 15:17:59 -0700, " wrote: Thanks for the info on reliability. The problem with Suzuki motors and pricing is that there is one dealer in my area. Many people advise paying a higher price to a local dealer so as to establish a good working relationship for warranty issues, etc. Buying from a remote dealer may get a better price. It can come back to bite you if you need warranty service. I live near San Luis Obispo. The nearest dealer is Port San Luis Marine. They are 1/2 hour from my house. The next closest are in Fresno, Clovis, Oxnard, and Santa Cruz. All of which are 2-3 1/2 hours away. This part of the world is vacationland, so everything costs more than the urban areas. For a good laugh look up the cost of real estate in San Luis Obispo county, then the major employers. We pay higher prices pretty much everything except the local produce at the farmer's markets. Outboard motors are no different, it seems. Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Jolon, now that was bad. But the bar had good Mexican Pizza. Never saw a bar in Jolon when I was around there, in the 71-73 time frame. Guys were volunteering for Nam to get out of Jolon. :-) Use to pig hunt at Hunter-Ligget during the 80's. Was a pizza parlor / bar then just outside the gates. Last time I was there, was closed. My buddies in the Army reserve use to do summer camp there in the 70's. They enjoyed it, as they were engineers, and had a water treatment plant. They used the dozer to make a swimming hole and a trench to hold the daily 500#'s of ice and the beer. Was it Reserve engineers or National Guard? I spent many a summer working with a National Guard engineer battalion there, but never with any Reserves. There was a little nudist beach (Pirate's Cove?) close to San Luis Obispo that we'd run to for some sunshine. The Guard unit had some Combat Engineer Vehicles that we'd take out to the range and play with. They're built on an M-60 tank chassis, with a boom, winch, dozer blade, and a 165mm main gun. Made a lot of noise, but not very accurate. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"John H" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:16:29 GMT, "Bill McKee" wrote: "Del Cecchi" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... "Del Cecchi" wrote in message ... "John H" wrote in message ... On 20 Jun 2005 15:17:59 -0700, " wrote: Thanks for the info on reliability. The problem with Suzuki motors and pricing is that there is one dealer in my area. Many people advise paying a higher price to a local dealer so as to establish a good working relationship for warranty issues, etc. Buying from a remote dealer may get a better price. It can come back to bite you if you need warranty service. I live near San Luis Obispo. The nearest dealer is Port San Luis Marine. They are 1/2 hour from my house. The next closest are in Fresno, Clovis, Oxnard, and Santa Cruz. All of which are 2-3 1/2 hours away. This part of the world is vacationland, so everything costs more than the urban areas. For a good laugh look up the cost of real estate in San Luis Obispo county, then the major employers. We pay higher prices pretty much everything except the local produce at the farmer's markets. Outboard motors are no different, it seems. Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Jolon, now that was bad. But the bar had good Mexican Pizza. Never saw a bar in Jolon when I was around there, in the 71-73 time frame. Guys were volunteering for Nam to get out of Jolon. :-) Use to pig hunt at Hunter-Ligget during the 80's. Was a pizza parlor / bar then just outside the gates. Last time I was there, was closed. My buddies in the Army reserve use to do summer camp there in the 70's. They enjoyed it, as they were engineers, and had a water treatment plant. They used the dozer to make a swimming hole and a trench to hold the daily 500#'s of ice and the beer. Was it Reserve engineers or National Guard? I spent many a summer working with a National Guard engineer battalion there, but never with any Reserves. There was a little nudist beach (Pirate's Cove?) close to San Luis Obispo that we'd run to for some sunshine. The Guard unit had some Combat Engineer Vehicles that we'd take out to the range and play with. They're built on an M-60 tank chassis, with a boom, winch, dozer blade, and a 165mm main gun. Made a lot of noise, but not very accurate. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Was the 60's and I think they were Army, not National Guard. |
Check into www.allcoastfishing.com private boaters tech forum and see if
there is anybody that knows of a good price. Most are LA based. "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On 20 Jun 2005 20:20:57 -0700, " wrote: Thanks for the info. I think the price is pretty high, too. There isn't any competition around here, so to a certain extent I am stuck. Well, to reconsider.... the more boating in an area the lower the prices... NOYB is in the Mecca of boating and I would reasonably expect him to strike a better deal than I could. Similarly, if the Suzuki is significantly cheaper in your area than any other brand under your consideration..... that is probably a good deal... I need a few other things done to the boat. It was never finished by the builder. There are a couple pictures at http://community.webshots.com/script...6297&r an=124 The link implies that I must be the "owner" of the album before it can be viewed... -- _ ___c \ _| \_ __\_| oooo \_____ ~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ Homepage* http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:13:45 GMT, "Butch Davis" wrote:
Was stationed at Camp Roberts 63. I was in the 59th Engineer Company (Combat/Seperate) attached to the 194th Armored Bde which had a tank Bn at Roberts. This was a Regular Army outfit Spent seven months there and TDY to Hunter Ligget to run experiments. Our unit was tested for endurance wearing a gas mask for several days and nights at a time. Yes, we slept in them. We did get to remove them for meals only. We all were required to wear sanitary pads with little bulb thermometers up our U NO whats. Guys with white coats and clip boards would take our temps from time to time by plugging into a lead attached to our shirt collars. We were required to do things like build timber trestle bridges under these conditions. Several men per day would pass out after the first couple of days. At least there was plenty of medical attention available. I spent seven months in that unit. Out of over 35 years of active duty that was the only assignment I absolutely hated. Butch "John H" wrote in message .. . On 20 Jun 2005 19:54:08 -0700, " wrote: When did you spend time in Paso Robles? Paso has grown very quickly in the past ten years. The wine industry has mostly taken over from ranching and dry farming. There has been national press describing the Paso Robles area as the next Napa. (not that that is a good thing) Paso is about to surpass SLO town as the biggest city in the county. I live in Mudhole, aka, Atascadero. John H wrote: Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." I worked with engineer units as an advisor in the '76 to '78 time frame. Used to spend a good part of the summer at Camp Roberts (or Hunter-Ligget). Actually, I think Camp Roberts was across the road, but not sure of the relationship any more. I would go with them on their summer camp and help with training planning and conduct. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Even an hour in a protective mask at Roberts would be a bitch. My commendation on putting up with such ****! That had to be rough. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
Try this one
http://community.webshots.com/user/rthomassen101 The link implies that I must be the "owner" of the album before it can be viewed... -- _ ___c \ _| \_ __\_| oooo \_____ ~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ Homepage* http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
try this one http://community.webshots.com/user/rthomassen101 and look at the album Roy's boat I need a few other things done to the boat. It was never finished by the builder. There are a couple pictures at http://community.webshots.com/script...6297&r an=124 The link implies that I must be the "owner" of the album before it can be viewed... -- _ ___c \ _| \_ __\_| oooo \_____ ~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ Homepage* http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
Thanks for the tip. I'll look into it.
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Thanks for the kind words. I am a bit worried about letting someone
else do anything to it. I don't have any experience with mounting an engine and controls. I don't think that this is the right boat to use to develop the skills. ;-) I'll post more pictures when I have it done. Right at the moment I am trying to overcome the CFO's (my wife) bad case of sticker shock at getting an estimate for over 12,000.00 for everything. I had her prepared for less, unfortunately. She also figured out that the estimate did not include mounting hardware, etc, for the front seats. Does anyone have any recommendations as to how to mount the front seats? I got two bucket seats with it that have the standard 8 hole mounting pattern. The boatyard guy recommends that we have a couple of mahogany veneer marine plywood boxes built, then mount the seats on those. The idea is that the inside of the boxes could be used for storage. It isn't clear to me how I would get to the storage part of the boxes with the seats mounted on them. My wife thinks that she will drive the boat occasionally, so she wants the drivers seat to slide back and forth. Up and down would be nice, but a type IV cushion should work just fine. I am 6' tall, she is 5' tall. I want both seats to swivel so that we can turn them around and faces the back seaters when we are stopped. This feature will also be handy for the observer when pulling skiers or tubers. I am open to all suggestions. Thanks for all the info provided in this thread. Roy T. Gene Kearns wrote: On 22 Jun 2005 07:37:05 -0700, " wrote: Try this one http://community.webshots.com/user/rthomassen101 That is a beautiful boat! You won't need an engine to pick up chicks with that thing!...... Keep us up to date with your progress..... (I can only guess at your trepidation in letting somebody else mount the engine and controls...) -- _ ___c \ _| \_ __\_| oooo \_____ ~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ Homepage* http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
"John H" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:13:45 GMT, "Butch Davis" wrote: Was stationed at Camp Roberts 63. I was in the 59th Engineer Company (Combat/Seperate) attached to the 194th Armored Bde which had a tank Bn at Roberts. This was a Regular Army outfit Spent seven months there and TDY to Hunter Ligget to run experiments. Our unit was tested for endurance wearing a gas mask for several days and nights at a time. Yes, we slept in them. We did get to remove them for meals only. We all were required to wear sanitary pads with little bulb thermometers up our U NO whats. Guys with white coats and clip boards would take our temps from time to time by plugging into a lead attached to our shirt collars. We were required to do things like build timber trestle bridges under these conditions. Several men per day would pass out after the first couple of days. At least there was plenty of medical attention available. I spent seven months in that unit. Out of over 35 years of active duty that was the only assignment I absolutely hated. Butch "John H" wrote in message . .. On 20 Jun 2005 19:54:08 -0700, " wrote: When did you spend time in Paso Robles? Paso has grown very quickly in the past ten years. The wine industry has mostly taken over from ranching and dry farming. There has been national press describing the Paso Robles area as the next Napa. (not that that is a good thing) Paso is about to surpass SLO town as the biggest city in the county. I live in Mudhole, aka, Atascadero. John H wrote: Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." I worked with engineer units as an advisor in the '76 to '78 time frame. Used to spend a good part of the summer at Camp Roberts (or Hunter-Ligget). Actually, I think Camp Roberts was across the road, but not sure of the relationship any more. I would go with them on their summer camp and help with training planning and conduct. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Even an hour in a protective mask at Roberts would be a bitch. My commendation on putting up with such ****! That had to be rough. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." He wasn't at hungry maggot lifer reservation? Home of Combat Development Experimentation Command. |
"Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... "Del Cecchi" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... "Del Cecchi" wrote in message ... "John H" wrote in message ... On 20 Jun 2005 15:17:59 -0700, " wrote: Thanks for the info on reliability. The problem with Suzuki motors and pricing is that there is one dealer in my area. Many people advise paying a higher price to a local dealer so as to establish a good working relationship for warranty issues, etc. Buying from a remote dealer may get a better price. It can come back to bite you if you need warranty service. I live near San Luis Obispo. The nearest dealer is Port San Luis Marine. They are 1/2 hour from my house. The next closest are in Fresno, Clovis, Oxnard, and Santa Cruz. All of which are 2-3 1/2 hours away. This part of the world is vacationland, so everything costs more than the urban areas. For a good laugh look up the cost of real estate in San Luis Obispo county, then the major employers. We pay higher prices pretty much everything except the local produce at the farmer's markets. Outboard motors are no different, it seems. Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Jolon, now that was bad. But the bar had good Mexican Pizza. Never saw a bar in Jolon when I was around there, in the 71-73 time frame. Guys were volunteering for Nam to get out of Jolon. :-) Use to pig hunt at Hunter-Ligget during the 80's. Was a pizza parlor / bar then just outside the gates. Last time I was there, was closed. My buddies in the Army reserve use to do summer camp there in the 70's. They enjoyed it, as they were engineers, and had a water treatment plant. They used the dozer to make a swimming hole and a trench to hold the daily 500#'s of ice and the beer. Never saw any pig hunting, although there were some guys that hit a cow with a TOW missile (dummy warhead) during an experiment. Said it was an accident. Rancher got paid. Troops got a BBQ. del |
Yes Del. The CDEC mask experiments were conducted at Hunter Ligget (sp??).
At least we got most weekends off and many were three day weekends. Family housing for the troops was at Fort Ord so guys only saw the families on the weekends. Divorce rate was very high. Due to heat our workdays started about 0330 for breakfast and I seem to remember most days finishing with the noon meal also known as LRC. Those were not the good old days. Morale was lower than whale manure. Butch "Del Cecchi" wrote in message ... "John H" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:13:45 GMT, "Butch Davis" wrote: Was stationed at Camp Roberts 63. I was in the 59th Engineer Company (Combat/Seperate) attached to the 194th Armored Bde which had a tank Bn at Roberts. This was a Regular Army outfit Spent seven months there and TDY to Hunter Ligget to run experiments. Our unit was tested for endurance wearing a gas mask for several days and nights at a time. Yes, we slept in them. We did get to remove them for meals only. We all were required to wear sanitary pads with little bulb thermometers up our U NO whats. Guys with white coats and clip boards would take our temps from time to time by plugging into a lead attached to our shirt collars. We were required to do things like build timber trestle bridges under these conditions. Several men per day would pass out after the first couple of days. At least there was plenty of medical attention available. I spent seven months in that unit. Out of over 35 years of active duty that was the only assignment I absolutely hated. Butch "John H" wrote in message ... On 20 Jun 2005 19:54:08 -0700, " wrote: When did you spend time in Paso Robles? Paso has grown very quickly in the past ten years. The wine industry has mostly taken over from ranching and dry farming. There has been national press describing the Paso Robles area as the next Napa. (not that that is a good thing) Paso is about to surpass SLO town as the biggest city in the county. I live in Mudhole, aka, Atascadero. John H wrote: Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." I worked with engineer units as an advisor in the '76 to '78 time frame. Used to spend a good part of the summer at Camp Roberts (or Hunter-Ligget). Actually, I think Camp Roberts was across the road, but not sure of the relationship any more. I would go with them on their summer camp and help with training planning and conduct. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Even an hour in a protective mask at Roberts would be a bitch. My commendation on putting up with such ****! That had to be rough. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." He wasn't at hungry maggot lifer reservation? Home of Combat Development Experimentation Command. |
"Butch Davis" wrote in message ink.net... Yes Del. The CDEC mask experiments were conducted at Hunter Ligget (sp??). At least we got most weekends off and many were three day weekends. Family housing for the troops was at Fort Ord so guys only saw the families on the weekends. Divorce rate was very high. Due to heat our workdays started about 0330 for breakfast and I seem to remember most days finishing with the noon meal also known as LRC. Those were not the good old days. Morale was lower than whale manure. Butch At least in Computer division, the computers needed air conditioned trailers. So we got them too. Our motto was "we won't fight and you can't make us" :-) at least that was the enlisted draftee motto. I commuted to Salinas. We had a carpool and worked 730 to 430 |
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:08:43 -0500, "Del Cecchi" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:13:45 GMT, "Butch Davis" wrote: Was stationed at Camp Roberts 63. I was in the 59th Engineer Company (Combat/Seperate) attached to the 194th Armored Bde which had a tank Bn at Roberts. This was a Regular Army outfit Spent seven months there and TDY to Hunter Ligget to run experiments. Our unit was tested for endurance wearing a gas mask for several days and nights at a time. Yes, we slept in them. We did get to remove them for meals only. We all were required to wear sanitary pads with little bulb thermometers up our U NO whats. Guys with white coats and clip boards would take our temps from time to time by plugging into a lead attached to our shirt collars. We were required to do things like build timber trestle bridges under these conditions. Several men per day would pass out after the first couple of days. At least there was plenty of medical attention available. I spent seven months in that unit. Out of over 35 years of active duty that was the only assignment I absolutely hated. Butch "John H" wrote in message ... On 20 Jun 2005 19:54:08 -0700, " wrote: When did you spend time in Paso Robles? Paso has grown very quickly in the past ten years. The wine industry has mostly taken over from ranching and dry farming. There has been national press describing the Paso Robles area as the next Napa. (not that that is a good thing) Paso is about to surpass SLO town as the biggest city in the county. I live in Mudhole, aka, Atascadero. John H wrote: Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." I worked with engineer units as an advisor in the '76 to '78 time frame. Used to spend a good part of the summer at Camp Roberts (or Hunter-Ligget). Actually, I think Camp Roberts was across the road, but not sure of the relationship any more. I would go with them on their summer camp and help with training planning and conduct. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Even an hour in a protective mask at Roberts would be a bitch. My commendation on putting up with such ****! That had to be rough. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." He wasn't at hungry maggot lifer reservation? Home of Combat Development Experimentation Command. Guess you're right. The weather is the same. Miserable. Although the evenings were pretty nice as I recall. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:12:07 -0500, "Del Cecchi" wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... "Del Cecchi" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... "Del Cecchi" wrote in message ... "John H" wrote in message ... On 20 Jun 2005 15:17:59 -0700, " wrote: Thanks for the info on reliability. The problem with Suzuki motors and pricing is that there is one dealer in my area. Many people advise paying a higher price to a local dealer so as to establish a good working relationship for warranty issues, etc. Buying from a remote dealer may get a better price. It can come back to bite you if you need warranty service. I live near San Luis Obispo. The nearest dealer is Port San Luis Marine. They are 1/2 hour from my house. The next closest are in Fresno, Clovis, Oxnard, and Santa Cruz. All of which are 2-3 1/2 hours away. This part of the world is vacationland, so everything costs more than the urban areas. For a good laugh look up the cost of real estate in San Luis Obispo county, then the major employers. We pay higher prices pretty much everything except the local produce at the farmer's markets. Outboard motors are no different, it seems. Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Jolon, now that was bad. But the bar had good Mexican Pizza. Never saw a bar in Jolon when I was around there, in the 71-73 time frame. Guys were volunteering for Nam to get out of Jolon. :-) Use to pig hunt at Hunter-Ligget during the 80's. Was a pizza parlor / bar then just outside the gates. Last time I was there, was closed. My buddies in the Army reserve use to do summer camp there in the 70's. They enjoyed it, as they were engineers, and had a water treatment plant. They used the dozer to make a swimming hole and a trench to hold the daily 500#'s of ice and the beer. Never saw any pig hunting, although there were some guys that hit a cow with a TOW missile (dummy warhead) during an experiment. Said it was an accident. Rancher got paid. Troops got a BBQ. del Lotsa sheep around there, if I remember right. Won't say any more about that though. Troops had to dig foxholes for night defensive positions. Won't say any more about that either! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"Del Cecchi" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... "Del Cecchi" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... "Del Cecchi" wrote in message ... "John H" wrote in message ... On 20 Jun 2005 15:17:59 -0700, " wrote: Thanks for the info on reliability. The problem with Suzuki motors and pricing is that there is one dealer in my area. Many people advise paying a higher price to a local dealer so as to establish a good working relationship for warranty issues, etc. Buying from a remote dealer may get a better price. It can come back to bite you if you need warranty service. I live near San Luis Obispo. The nearest dealer is Port San Luis Marine. They are 1/2 hour from my house. The next closest are in Fresno, Clovis, Oxnard, and Santa Cruz. All of which are 2-3 1/2 hours away. This part of the world is vacationland, so everything costs more than the urban areas. For a good laugh look up the cost of real estate in San Luis Obispo county, then the major employers. We pay higher prices pretty much everything except the local produce at the farmer's markets. Outboard motors are no different, it seems. Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Jolon, now that was bad. But the bar had good Mexican Pizza. Never saw a bar in Jolon when I was around there, in the 71-73 time frame. Guys were volunteering for Nam to get out of Jolon. :-) Use to pig hunt at Hunter-Ligget during the 80's. Was a pizza parlor / bar then just outside the gates. Last time I was there, was closed. My buddies in the Army reserve use to do summer camp there in the 70's. They enjoyed it, as they were engineers, and had a water treatment plant. They used the dozer to make a swimming hole and a trench to hold the daily 500#'s of ice and the beer. Never saw any pig hunting, although there were some guys that hit a cow with a TOW missile (dummy warhead) during an experiment. Said it was an accident. Rancher got paid. Troops got a BBQ. del Reason there was pig hunting and public hunting on HL was because when William R. Hearst sold the land to the government, it was his hunting camp, there was a deed restriction that the public could hunt on weekends and government holidays. Old Bill had released some Russian boars and they bred with the feral pigs. |
I have decided to go with the local dealer. The boat goes into the
shop on Wednesday. I'll likely get it back by the middle of next week. I'll be having mahogany boxes built for the front seat mounting. Thanks, RT. |
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