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Observations, Sea Ray 200 Select
At the Ramp, July 6 2005
Sea Ray 200 Select (Go fast, look good, have fun!) Some of the most successful boats are vessels with a clear purpose. A commercial tug has a specific task to perform, just as surely as a fireboat, a purse seiner, an America's Cup racer, or a ferry boat. Some recreational vessels have easily identified missions, with most people thinking of a trawler for long range cruising, a sportfisherman for offshore angling, a cabin cruiser for vacation gunkholing, etc. One class of boat, the runabout, is strictly intended to go fast, look good, and create opportunities for fun on the water. Sea Ray is one of the premiere, benchmark, brand names in the runabout category. (Easily verified by strolling through a boat show and overhearing competing salespeople assure prospects that "Brand X is just as good as a Sea Ray!") Seas Ray offers four series in its Sport Boat division. The "Sport" series boats are nominally 18-20 feet in length, offering a basic, high quality, but relatively affordable choice. The "Select" boats are nominally 20-29 feet long, and include several upgrades in standard equipment that would be optional or not available on the "Sport" series. The "Sundeck" series, (20-27 feet) are well-equipped boats with enclosed heads, while the "Weekender" series (22-25 feet) offers a V-berth as well as a head. The 200 Select is actually 21' LOA, with an 8'5" beam. Draft with the drive unit down is 37", but that drops to just 20" with the drive unit up to facilitate easier loading and unloading at a boat ramp. Sea Ray lists the "dry weight" of the 200 Select at 3,550 pounds, so it won't require a Kenworth to haul it around. Fuel capacity is 37-gallons, which should be sufficient for a long, active, afternoon of waterski or wakeboard runs or up to an entire weekend of slowpoke exploring and fishing. We got an up-close look at a brand new Sea Ray 200 Select at Lake Union Sea Ray's Seattle showroom on Westlake Avenue. Sales Manager Bob Walker hosted us during our visit there. (Thanks, Bob). The 200 Select hull features a 20-degree deadrise to provide some of the seakeeping characteristics of a "deep-V" bottom. There is a sequence of flat strakes between the keel and the chines. The strakes provide some additional lifting surface to get the 200 Select more quickly up on plane, and also provide some specific support points that increase lateral stability and decrease the likelihood of chine walk. Seating is available in the open bow section, in pilot and port watch seats, and on a seat immediately forward of the engine compartment. The 200 Select is rated for up to 8 persons weighing a total of no more than 1100 pounds, or a 1200-pound maximum load with gear. Sea Ray boats are built by one of the most highly automated processes in the industry. Gelcoats are applied to molds by specialized robots, the hull structure created by a computer controlled application process known as RIMFIRE (Robotic In-Mold Fiber Reinforcement) and molded fiberglass components produced by Sea Ray's ZIP (Zero Injection Pressure) process. Workmanship can be the most radical variable in manufacturing, and the computerized robotics assure that workmanship is extremely consistent from one boat to the next. With the addition of premium materials and a thoroughly proven design, a high quality product is easily achieved. If runabouts are all about "go fast, look good, have fun" the Sea Ray 200 Select is well designed and equipped for the task. The boat at Lake Union Sea Ray was equipped with the optional 5.0 liter (305 cid) multi-port injected Mercruiser and an Alpha I outdrive. Sea Ray reports that with this propulsion combination, a clean bottom, and a stainless steel prop, the 200 Select will reach 50 mph at WOT, 4950 RPM. Nobody wants to run an engine that hard for more than brief periods, but speeds should still be in the 35 mph range with the boat backed down to 2/3 throttle. Wakeboarding, recreational water skiing, or just zipping across the lake or down the sound fast enough to be exciting is all within easy reach for owners of a Sea Ray 200 Select. Go fast? Check. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but one would need to be legally blind not to appreciate that the Sea Ray 200 Select meets some extremely high standards in the "looking good" category. The lines are snappy, imparting a confident and slightly aggressive demeanor to the profile. The high-quality stainless hardware, almost totally perfect and mirror-smooth robot applied gelcoat, and high quality interior surfaces are blended together with bold hull graphics and upholstery inserts that make the 200 Select look like a fast boat when it's standing still. Pearl is the standard hull color for the Select series, accented with silver graphics. The boat we inspected at Lake Union Sea Ray was finished with in a sporty red and white two-tone, with red gelcoat between the waterline and the stylishly curved rub rail. (Very nice). Additional gel coat color options include green, blue, yellow, black, and a bronze called "pewter". A 200 Select will draw appreciative glances from nearly all, and envious admiration from a group of boaters who will be making a series of mental comparisons between the 200 Select and the boats they currently own. Look good? Absolutely Like any boat, the Sea Ray 200 Select won't score well in the "have fun" category until there are some people aboard. The skipper and his or her passengers will have a blast aboard a 200 Select, as Sea Ray has incorporated a number of premium features in an ergonomically excellent environment. The seating forward of the windshield is accessed through a hinged section of the stainless steel frame and a central companionway below. When the forward seats are not in use, a folding door can be secured across the companionway to prevent wind from blowing under the windshield and onto the helm seats. Sea Ray built an anchor locker into the bow of the 200 Select, included large storage areas below the forward seats, added grab rails just exactly where they will be most helpful, provided courtesy lighting for sure footing after dark, and used some nicely upholstered, comfortable cushions. There are no "cheap seats" on a Sea Ray 200 Select. Aft of the windshield in the cockpit, the helm is to starboard. A deluxe helm seat with a flip up bolster will allow the skipper to sit a bit higher, or even stand at the helm with some support. SmartCraft (tm) instruments and indicators include fuel level, oil pressure, coolant temperature, voltmeter, speedometer, tachometer, overheat or low oil pressure alarms, depth sounder, fuel consumption meter, trim level, and a trolling control. The wood grain tilt wheel is power assisted, with a tilt function. Sea Ray has demonstrated an appreciation for the importance of a comfortable, well organized helm. At the port watch seat, there is a locker designed to hold a bag of ice as well as several cans or bottles or refreshing beverages. Cupholders on the 200 Select are stainless steel. Listening to music can be an important element when having fun on the water, and the 200 Select is equipped with an AM/FM/CD stereo system, protected from the elements in a compartment above the ice locker. The stereo system is Sirius (tm) satellite capable, and includes a remote control at the helm. Additional cockpit seating includes a curved settee just forward of the engine compartment, and the engine compartment is covered with a thick, comfortable cushion for ideal for sunbathing. In the standard layout, (on display at Lake Union Sea Ray), a single seat with a removable cushion is situated in the aft port quarter of the cockpit. Passengers stepping aboard the 200 Select can remove the cushion and step on a non-skid deck surface below, thereby eliminating the need to step directly on upholstered surfaces when boarding or disembarking. Fun? You betcha! Sea Ray offers many additional, useful options for the Sea Ray 200 Select. Boaters particularly passionate about wakeboarding might want to ad a jaunty-looking stainless wakeboard tower. Family boaters hoping to extend the season beyond the warm, sunny months might consider the "camper canvas" option to convert the open cockpit into an enclosed compartment. The Sea Ray 200 Select will paint smiles across the faces of any boaters primarily interested in looking good, going fast, and having fun. Boats like this are the "sports cars" of the water. Even though Sea Ray is one of the elite trademarks, it's possible to own a very, very nice boat for no more than what an increasing number of families are spending for to acquire a new car. According to Bob Walker at Lake Union Sea Ray, a brand new Sea Ray 200 Select, with trailer, will sell "in the mid-30's". Go fast, look good, have fun? Runabout enthusiasts should consider making a fast trip to the nearest Sea Ray dealer, taking a good look at the 200 Select, and preparing to have one heck of a lot of fun. |
Nice write up, but no rod holders! ************************* It's about going fast, looking good, and having fun. So- find yourself a "fast" lady, who looks good, and get her to hold your rod. You'll surely have a lot of fun. |
What were the downsides of the boat Chuck? Surely there had to be some.
Why did you not include them in your fluff article about the boat? How much did SeaRay pay you for this fluff review? wrote in message oups.com... At the Ramp, July 6 2005 Sea Ray 200 Select (Go fast, look good, have fun!) Some of the most successful boats are vessels with a clear purpose. A commercial tug has a specific task to perform, just as surely as a fireboat, a purse seiner, an America's Cup racer, or a ferry boat. Some recreational vessels have easily identified missions, with most people thinking of a trawler for long range cruising, a sportfisherman for offshore angling, a cabin cruiser for vacation gunkholing, etc. One class of boat, the runabout, is strictly intended to go fast, look good, and create opportunities for fun on the water. Sea Ray is one of the premiere, benchmark, brand names in the runabout category. (Easily verified by strolling through a boat show and overhearing competing salespeople assure prospects that "Brand X is just as good as a Sea Ray!") Seas Ray offers four series in its Sport Boat division. The "Sport" series boats are nominally 18-20 feet in length, offering a basic, high quality, but relatively affordable choice. The "Select" boats are nominally 20-29 feet long, and include several upgrades in standard equipment that would be optional or not available on the "Sport" series. The "Sundeck" series, (20-27 feet) are well-equipped boats with enclosed heads, while the "Weekender" series (22-25 feet) offers a V-berth as well as a head. The 200 Select is actually 21' LOA, with an 8'5" beam. Draft with the drive unit down is 37", but that drops to just 20" with the drive unit up to facilitate easier loading and unloading at a boat ramp. Sea Ray lists the "dry weight" of the 200 Select at 3,550 pounds, so it won't require a Kenworth to haul it around. Fuel capacity is 37-gallons, which should be sufficient for a long, active, afternoon of waterski or wakeboard runs or up to an entire weekend of slowpoke exploring and fishing. We got an up-close look at a brand new Sea Ray 200 Select at Lake Union Sea Ray's Seattle showroom on Westlake Avenue. Sales Manager Bob Walker hosted us during our visit there. (Thanks, Bob). The 200 Select hull features a 20-degree deadrise to provide some of the seakeeping characteristics of a "deep-V" bottom. There is a sequence of flat strakes between the keel and the chines. The strakes provide some additional lifting surface to get the 200 Select more quickly up on plane, and also provide some specific support points that increase lateral stability and decrease the likelihood of chine walk. Seating is available in the open bow section, in pilot and port watch seats, and on a seat immediately forward of the engine compartment. The 200 Select is rated for up to 8 persons weighing a total of no more than 1100 pounds, or a 1200-pound maximum load with gear. Sea Ray boats are built by one of the most highly automated processes in the industry. Gelcoats are applied to molds by specialized robots, the hull structure created by a computer controlled application process known as RIMFIRE (Robotic In-Mold Fiber Reinforcement) and molded fiberglass components produced by Sea Ray's ZIP (Zero Injection Pressure) process. Workmanship can be the most radical variable in manufacturing, and the computerized robotics assure that workmanship is extremely consistent from one boat to the next. With the addition of premium materials and a thoroughly proven design, a high quality product is easily achieved. If runabouts are all about "go fast, look good, have fun" the Sea Ray 200 Select is well designed and equipped for the task. The boat at Lake Union Sea Ray was equipped with the optional 5.0 liter (305 cid) multi-port injected Mercruiser and an Alpha I outdrive. Sea Ray reports that with this propulsion combination, a clean bottom, and a stainless steel prop, the 200 Select will reach 50 mph at WOT, 4950 RPM. Nobody wants to run an engine that hard for more than brief periods, but speeds should still be in the 35 mph range with the boat backed down to 2/3 throttle. Wakeboarding, recreational water skiing, or just zipping across the lake or down the sound fast enough to be exciting is all within easy reach for owners of a Sea Ray 200 Select. Go fast? Check. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but one would need to be legally blind not to appreciate that the Sea Ray 200 Select meets some extremely high standards in the "looking good" category. The lines are snappy, imparting a confident and slightly aggressive demeanor to the profile. The high-quality stainless hardware, almost totally perfect and mirror-smooth robot applied gelcoat, and high quality interior surfaces are blended together with bold hull graphics and upholstery inserts that make the 200 Select look like a fast boat when it's standing still. Pearl is the standard hull color for the Select series, accented with silver graphics. The boat we inspected at Lake Union Sea Ray was finished with in a sporty red and white two-tone, with red gelcoat between the waterline and the stylishly curved rub rail. (Very nice). Additional gel coat color options include green, blue, yellow, black, and a bronze called "pewter". A 200 Select will draw appreciative glances from nearly all, and envious admiration from a group of boaters who will be making a series of mental comparisons between the 200 Select and the boats they currently own. Look good? Absolutely Like any boat, the Sea Ray 200 Select won't score well in the "have fun" category until there are some people aboard. The skipper and his or her passengers will have a blast aboard a 200 Select, as Sea Ray has incorporated a number of premium features in an ergonomically excellent environment. The seating forward of the windshield is accessed through a hinged section of the stainless steel frame and a central companionway below. When the forward seats are not in use, a folding door can be secured across the companionway to prevent wind from blowing under the windshield and onto the helm seats. Sea Ray built an anchor locker into the bow of the 200 Select, included large storage areas below the forward seats, added grab rails just exactly where they will be most helpful, provided courtesy lighting for sure footing after dark, and used some nicely upholstered, comfortable cushions. There are no "cheap seats" on a Sea Ray 200 Select. Aft of the windshield in the cockpit, the helm is to starboard. A deluxe helm seat with a flip up bolster will allow the skipper to sit a bit higher, or even stand at the helm with some support. SmartCraft (tm) instruments and indicators include fuel level, oil pressure, coolant temperature, voltmeter, speedometer, tachometer, overheat or low oil pressure alarms, depth sounder, fuel consumption meter, trim level, and a trolling control. The wood grain tilt wheel is power assisted, with a tilt function. Sea Ray has demonstrated an appreciation for the importance of a comfortable, well organized helm. At the port watch seat, there is a locker designed to hold a bag of ice as well as several cans or bottles or refreshing beverages. Cupholders on the 200 Select are stainless steel. Listening to music can be an important element when having fun on the water, and the 200 Select is equipped with an AM/FM/CD stereo system, protected from the elements in a compartment above the ice locker. The stereo system is Sirius (tm) satellite capable, and includes a remote control at the helm. Additional cockpit seating includes a curved settee just forward of the engine compartment, and the engine compartment is covered with a thick, comfortable cushion for ideal for sunbathing. In the standard layout, (on display at Lake Union Sea Ray), a single seat with a removable cushion is situated in the aft port quarter of the cockpit. Passengers stepping aboard the 200 Select can remove the cushion and step on a non-skid deck surface below, thereby eliminating the need to step directly on upholstered surfaces when boarding or disembarking. Fun? You betcha! Sea Ray offers many additional, useful options for the Sea Ray 200 Select. Boaters particularly passionate about wakeboarding might want to ad a jaunty-looking stainless wakeboard tower. Family boaters hoping to extend the season beyond the warm, sunny months might consider the "camper canvas" option to convert the open cockpit into an enclosed compartment. The Sea Ray 200 Select will paint smiles across the faces of any boaters primarily interested in looking good, going fast, and having fun. Boats like this are the "sports cars" of the water. Even though Sea Ray is one of the elite trademarks, it's possible to own a very, very nice boat for no more than what an increasing number of families are spending for to acquire a new car. According to Bob Walker at Lake Union Sea Ray, a brand new Sea Ray 200 Select, with trailer, will sell "in the mid-30's". Go fast, look good, have fun? Runabout enthusiasts should consider making a fast trip to the nearest Sea Ray dealer, taking a good look at the 200 Select, and preparing to have one heck of a lot of fun. |
JimH,
Boat builders normally don't pay for fluff pieces, but they only buy ad space in magazines that write fluff pieces for their boats. It is quid pro quo. If Gould did want to write a critical boat review his boss would not publish it, so why waste his time. Gould writes the reviews to please the publisher, his editor and the builder. "*JimH*" wrote in message ... What were the downsides of the boat Chuck? Surely there had to be some. Why did you not include them in your fluff article about the boat? How much did SeaRay pay you for this fluff review? wrote in message oups.com... At the Ramp, July 6 2005 Sea Ray 200 Select (Go fast, look good, have fun!) Some of the most successful boats are vessels with a clear purpose. A commercial tug has a specific task to perform, just as surely as a fireboat, a purse seiner, an America's Cup racer, or a ferry boat. Some recreational vessels have easily identified missions, with most people thinking of a trawler for long range cruising, a sportfisherman for offshore angling, a cabin cruiser for vacation gunkholing, etc. One class of boat, the runabout, is strictly intended to go fast, look good, and create opportunities for fun on the water. Sea Ray is one of the premiere, benchmark, brand names in the runabout category. (Easily verified by strolling through a boat show and overhearing competing salespeople assure prospects that "Brand X is just as good as a Sea Ray!") Seas Ray offers four series in its Sport Boat division. The "Sport" series boats are nominally 18-20 feet in length, offering a basic, high quality, but relatively affordable choice. The "Select" boats are nominally 20-29 feet long, and include several upgrades in standard equipment that would be optional or not available on the "Sport" series. The "Sundeck" series, (20-27 feet) are well-equipped boats with enclosed heads, while the "Weekender" series (22-25 feet) offers a V-berth as well as a head. The 200 Select is actually 21' LOA, with an 8'5" beam. Draft with the drive unit down is 37", but that drops to just 20" with the drive unit up to facilitate easier loading and unloading at a boat ramp. Sea Ray lists the "dry weight" of the 200 Select at 3,550 pounds, so it won't require a Kenworth to haul it around. Fuel capacity is 37-gallons, which should be sufficient for a long, active, afternoon of waterski or wakeboard runs or up to an entire weekend of slowpoke exploring and fishing. We got an up-close look at a brand new Sea Ray 200 Select at Lake Union Sea Ray's Seattle showroom on Westlake Avenue. Sales Manager Bob Walker hosted us during our visit there. (Thanks, Bob). The 200 Select hull features a 20-degree deadrise to provide some of the seakeeping characteristics of a "deep-V" bottom. There is a sequence of flat strakes between the keel and the chines. The strakes provide some additional lifting surface to get the 200 Select more quickly up on plane, and also provide some specific support points that increase lateral stability and decrease the likelihood of chine walk. Seating is available in the open bow section, in pilot and port watch seats, and on a seat immediately forward of the engine compartment. The 200 Select is rated for up to 8 persons weighing a total of no more than 1100 pounds, or a 1200-pound maximum load with gear. Sea Ray boats are built by one of the most highly automated processes in the industry. Gelcoats are applied to molds by specialized robots, the hull structure created by a computer controlled application process known as RIMFIRE (Robotic In-Mold Fiber Reinforcement) and molded fiberglass components produced by Sea Ray's ZIP (Zero Injection Pressure) process. Workmanship can be the most radical variable in manufacturing, and the computerized robotics assure that workmanship is extremely consistent from one boat to the next. With the addition of premium materials and a thoroughly proven design, a high quality product is easily achieved. If runabouts are all about "go fast, look good, have fun" the Sea Ray 200 Select is well designed and equipped for the task. The boat at Lake Union Sea Ray was equipped with the optional 5.0 liter (305 cid) multi-port injected Mercruiser and an Alpha I outdrive. Sea Ray reports that with this propulsion combination, a clean bottom, and a stainless steel prop, the 200 Select will reach 50 mph at WOT, 4950 RPM. Nobody wants to run an engine that hard for more than brief periods, but speeds should still be in the 35 mph range with the boat backed down to 2/3 throttle. Wakeboarding, recreational water skiing, or just zipping across the lake or down the sound fast enough to be exciting is all within easy reach for owners of a Sea Ray 200 Select. Go fast? Check. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but one would need to be legally blind not to appreciate that the Sea Ray 200 Select meets some extremely high standards in the "looking good" category. The lines are snappy, imparting a confident and slightly aggressive demeanor to the profile. The high-quality stainless hardware, almost totally perfect and mirror-smooth robot applied gelcoat, and high quality interior surfaces are blended together with bold hull graphics and upholstery inserts that make the 200 Select look like a fast boat when it's standing still. Pearl is the standard hull color for the Select series, accented with silver graphics. The boat we inspected at Lake Union Sea Ray was finished with in a sporty red and white two-tone, with red gelcoat between the waterline and the stylishly curved rub rail. (Very nice). Additional gel coat color options include green, blue, yellow, black, and a bronze called "pewter". A 200 Select will draw appreciative glances from nearly all, and envious admiration from a group of boaters who will be making a series of mental comparisons between the 200 Select and the boats they currently own. Look good? Absolutely Like any boat, the Sea Ray 200 Select won't score well in the "have fun" category until there are some people aboard. The skipper and his or her passengers will have a blast aboard a 200 Select, as Sea Ray has incorporated a number of premium features in an ergonomically excellent environment. The seating forward of the windshield is accessed through a hinged section of the stainless steel frame and a central companionway below. When the forward seats are not in use, a folding door can be secured across the companionway to prevent wind from blowing under the windshield and onto the helm seats. Sea Ray built an anchor locker into the bow of the 200 Select, included large storage areas below the forward seats, added grab rails just exactly where they will be most helpful, provided courtesy lighting for sure footing after dark, and used some nicely upholstered, comfortable cushions. There are no "cheap seats" on a Sea Ray 200 Select. Aft of the windshield in the cockpit, the helm is to starboard. A deluxe helm seat with a flip up bolster will allow the skipper to sit a bit higher, or even stand at the helm with some support. SmartCraft (tm) instruments and indicators include fuel level, oil pressure, coolant temperature, voltmeter, speedometer, tachometer, overheat or low oil pressure alarms, depth sounder, fuel consumption meter, trim level, and a trolling control. The wood grain tilt wheel is power assisted, with a tilt function. Sea Ray has demonstrated an appreciation for the importance of a comfortable, well organized helm. At the port watch seat, there is a locker designed to hold a bag of ice as well as several cans or bottles or refreshing beverages. Cupholders on the 200 Select are stainless steel. Listening to music can be an important element when having fun on the water, and the 200 Select is equipped with an AM/FM/CD stereo system, protected from the elements in a compartment above the ice locker. The stereo system is Sirius (tm) satellite capable, and includes a remote control at the helm. Additional cockpit seating includes a curved settee just forward of the engine compartment, and the engine compartment is covered with a thick, comfortable cushion for ideal for sunbathing. In the standard layout, (on display at Lake Union Sea Ray), a single seat with a removable cushion is situated in the aft port quarter of the cockpit. Passengers stepping aboard the 200 Select can remove the cushion and step on a non-skid deck surface below, thereby eliminating the need to step directly on upholstered surfaces when boarding or disembarking. Fun? You betcha! Sea Ray offers many additional, useful options for the Sea Ray 200 Select. Boaters particularly passionate about wakeboarding might want to ad a jaunty-looking stainless wakeboard tower. Family boaters hoping to extend the season beyond the warm, sunny months might consider the "camper canvas" option to convert the open cockpit into an enclosed compartment. The Sea Ray 200 Select will paint smiles across the faces of any boaters primarily interested in looking good, going fast, and having fun. Boats like this are the "sports cars" of the water. Even though Sea Ray is one of the elite trademarks, it's possible to own a very, very nice boat for no more than what an increasing number of families are spending for to acquire a new car. According to Bob Walker at Lake Union Sea Ray, a brand new Sea Ray 200 Select, with trailer, will sell "in the mid-30's". Go fast, look good, have fun? Runabout enthusiasts should consider making a fast trip to the nearest Sea Ray dealer, taking a good look at the 200 Select, and preparing to have one heck of a lot of fun. |
wrote in message oups.com... Nice write up, but no rod holders! ************************* It's about going fast, looking good, and having fun. Wow, a member of the "I own a SeaRay...look at me" club. Gold chain holders......gold trim....fast boats...poor quality. All owned by fat old farts with gold chains and with severe shrinkage...."look at me"....I own a go fast SeaRay. How funny. |
And he has obviously sold his soul and bought into the "I own a SeaRay, look
at me" club. See our earlier posts in this thread. "John Jay" wrote in message ... JimH, Boat builders normally don't pay for fluff pieces, but they only buy ad space in magazines that write fluff pieces for their boats. It is quid pro quo. If Gould did want to write a critical boat review his boss would not publish it, so why waste his time. Gould writes the reviews to please the publisher, his editor and the builder. "*JimH*" wrote in message ... What were the downsides of the boat Chuck? Surely there had to be some. Why did you not include them in your fluff article about the boat? How much did SeaRay pay you for this fluff review? wrote in message oups.com... At the Ramp, July 6 2005 Sea Ray 200 Select (Go fast, look good, have fun!) Some of the most successful boats are vessels with a clear purpose. A commercial tug has a specific task to perform, just as surely as a fireboat, a purse seiner, an America's Cup racer, or a ferry boat. Some recreational vessels have easily identified missions, with most people thinking of a trawler for long range cruising, a sportfisherman for offshore angling, a cabin cruiser for vacation gunkholing, etc. One class of boat, the runabout, is strictly intended to go fast, look good, and create opportunities for fun on the water. Sea Ray is one of the premiere, benchmark, brand names in the runabout category. (Easily verified by strolling through a boat show and overhearing competing salespeople assure prospects that "Brand X is just as good as a Sea Ray!") Seas Ray offers four series in its Sport Boat division. The "Sport" series boats are nominally 18-20 feet in length, offering a basic, high quality, but relatively affordable choice. The "Select" boats are nominally 20-29 feet long, and include several upgrades in standard equipment that would be optional or not available on the "Sport" series. The "Sundeck" series, (20-27 feet) are well-equipped boats with enclosed heads, while the "Weekender" series (22-25 feet) offers a V-berth as well as a head. The 200 Select is actually 21' LOA, with an 8'5" beam. Draft with the drive unit down is 37", but that drops to just 20" with the drive unit up to facilitate easier loading and unloading at a boat ramp. Sea Ray lists the "dry weight" of the 200 Select at 3,550 pounds, so it won't require a Kenworth to haul it around. Fuel capacity is 37-gallons, which should be sufficient for a long, active, afternoon of waterski or wakeboard runs or up to an entire weekend of slowpoke exploring and fishing. We got an up-close look at a brand new Sea Ray 200 Select at Lake Union Sea Ray's Seattle showroom on Westlake Avenue. Sales Manager Bob Walker hosted us during our visit there. (Thanks, Bob). The 200 Select hull features a 20-degree deadrise to provide some of the seakeeping characteristics of a "deep-V" bottom. There is a sequence of flat strakes between the keel and the chines. The strakes provide some additional lifting surface to get the 200 Select more quickly up on plane, and also provide some specific support points that increase lateral stability and decrease the likelihood of chine walk. Seating is available in the open bow section, in pilot and port watch seats, and on a seat immediately forward of the engine compartment. The 200 Select is rated for up to 8 persons weighing a total of no more than 1100 pounds, or a 1200-pound maximum load with gear. Sea Ray boats are built by one of the most highly automated processes in the industry. Gelcoats are applied to molds by specialized robots, the hull structure created by a computer controlled application process known as RIMFIRE (Robotic In-Mold Fiber Reinforcement) and molded fiberglass components produced by Sea Ray's ZIP (Zero Injection Pressure) process. Workmanship can be the most radical variable in manufacturing, and the computerized robotics assure that workmanship is extremely consistent from one boat to the next. With the addition of premium materials and a thoroughly proven design, a high quality product is easily achieved. If runabouts are all about "go fast, look good, have fun" the Sea Ray 200 Select is well designed and equipped for the task. The boat at Lake Union Sea Ray was equipped with the optional 5.0 liter (305 cid) multi-port injected Mercruiser and an Alpha I outdrive. Sea Ray reports that with this propulsion combination, a clean bottom, and a stainless steel prop, the 200 Select will reach 50 mph at WOT, 4950 RPM. Nobody wants to run an engine that hard for more than brief periods, but speeds should still be in the 35 mph range with the boat backed down to 2/3 throttle. Wakeboarding, recreational water skiing, or just zipping across the lake or down the sound fast enough to be exciting is all within easy reach for owners of a Sea Ray 200 Select. Go fast? Check. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but one would need to be legally blind not to appreciate that the Sea Ray 200 Select meets some extremely high standards in the "looking good" category. The lines are snappy, imparting a confident and slightly aggressive demeanor to the profile. The high-quality stainless hardware, almost totally perfect and mirror-smooth robot applied gelcoat, and high quality interior surfaces are blended together with bold hull graphics and upholstery inserts that make the 200 Select look like a fast boat when it's standing still. Pearl is the standard hull color for the Select series, accented with silver graphics. The boat we inspected at Lake Union Sea Ray was finished with in a sporty red and white two-tone, with red gelcoat between the waterline and the stylishly curved rub rail. (Very nice). Additional gel coat color options include green, blue, yellow, black, and a bronze called "pewter". A 200 Select will draw appreciative glances from nearly all, and envious admiration from a group of boaters who will be making a series of mental comparisons between the 200 Select and the boats they currently own. Look good? Absolutely Like any boat, the Sea Ray 200 Select won't score well in the "have fun" category until there are some people aboard. The skipper and his or her passengers will have a blast aboard a 200 Select, as Sea Ray has incorporated a number of premium features in an ergonomically excellent environment. The seating forward of the windshield is accessed through a hinged section of the stainless steel frame and a central companionway below. When the forward seats are not in use, a folding door can be secured across the companionway to prevent wind from blowing under the windshield and onto the helm seats. Sea Ray built an anchor locker into the bow of the 200 Select, included large storage areas below the forward seats, added grab rails just exactly where they will be most helpful, provided courtesy lighting for sure footing after dark, and used some nicely upholstered, comfortable cushions. There are no "cheap seats" on a Sea Ray 200 Select. Aft of the windshield in the cockpit, the helm is to starboard. A deluxe helm seat with a flip up bolster will allow the skipper to sit a bit higher, or even stand at the helm with some support. SmartCraft (tm) instruments and indicators include fuel level, oil pressure, coolant temperature, voltmeter, speedometer, tachometer, overheat or low oil pressure alarms, depth sounder, fuel consumption meter, trim level, and a trolling control. The wood grain tilt wheel is power assisted, with a tilt function. Sea Ray has demonstrated an appreciation for the importance of a comfortable, well organized helm. At the port watch seat, there is a locker designed to hold a bag of ice as well as several cans or bottles or refreshing beverages. Cupholders on the 200 Select are stainless steel. Listening to music can be an important element when having fun on the water, and the 200 Select is equipped with an AM/FM/CD stereo system, protected from the elements in a compartment above the ice locker. The stereo system is Sirius (tm) satellite capable, and includes a remote control at the helm. Additional cockpit seating includes a curved settee just forward of the engine compartment, and the engine compartment is covered with a thick, comfortable cushion for ideal for sunbathing. In the standard layout, (on display at Lake Union Sea Ray), a single seat with a removable cushion is situated in the aft port quarter of the cockpit. Passengers stepping aboard the 200 Select can remove the cushion and step on a non-skid deck surface below, thereby eliminating the need to step directly on upholstered surfaces when boarding or disembarking. Fun? You betcha! Sea Ray offers many additional, useful options for the Sea Ray 200 Select. Boaters particularly passionate about wakeboarding might want to ad a jaunty-looking stainless wakeboard tower. Family boaters hoping to extend the season beyond the warm, sunny months might consider the "camper canvas" option to convert the open cockpit into an enclosed compartment. The Sea Ray 200 Select will paint smiles across the faces of any boaters primarily interested in looking good, going fast, and having fun. Boats like this are the "sports cars" of the water. Even though Sea Ray is one of the elite trademarks, it's possible to own a very, very nice boat for no more than what an increasing number of families are spending for to acquire a new car. According to Bob Walker at Lake Union Sea Ray, a brand new Sea Ray 200 Select, with trailer, will sell "in the mid-30's". Go fast, look good, have fun? Runabout enthusiasts should consider making a fast trip to the nearest Sea Ray dealer, taking a good look at the 200 Select, and preparing to have one heck of a lot of fun. |
How much did SeaRay pay you for this fluff review?
*********************************************** I pick up my new 55-footer tomorrow. Seriously, JimH, I don't get paid a dime by Sea Ray or any other manufacturer. And if you'll notice, it's not a review. It's a description, along some personal observations, opinions, and impressions. There's no claim that we measured any sort of performance or got underway in the boat- as we did neither. This may come as a real shock to you, but discussing boats and comparing impressions and opinions about boats (rather than bitchily harpooning personalities at every turn) is supposed to be what a boating newsgroup is all about. Too bad for you, of course, as you have demonstrated little knowledge about boats or boating and the very best of your extremely rare on-topic advice recently- to a guy trying to figure out if $1500 was too much to pay for a nearly 30 year old boat, motor, and trailer in running condition- was to "look it up in NADA." I'm still grinning over that one. I know how much it p's you off when somebody posts on topic. Sorry. But here, please, redeem yourself: If you disagree with my opinions, impressions, or description of the Sea Ray 200 Select please respond with your specific comments related to that boat. ("I think you're an asshole" won't count). Thanks. |
And he has obviously sold his soul and bought into the "I own a SeaRay,
look at me" club. See our earlier posts in this thread. ********** ROFLMAO JimH, when you asked "how much do you get paid for writing a piece like this and I said that I was picking up my new 55-footer tomorrow.....I was *kidding*! Until Sea Ray builds a trawler, they won't make my personal short list- but there are still a lot of features on a boat like this that people interested in runabout boating would enjoy. Want to buy a bridge? Good grief. |
JimH wrote:
Wow, a member of the "I own a SeaRay...look at me" club. Gold chain holders......gold trim....fast boats...poor quality. All owned by fat old farts with gold chains and with severe shrinkage...."look at me"....I own a go fast SeaRay. How funny. *************** So here's your chance to demonstrate your vast boating knowledge. Do you have anything factual to offer to counter my description and expressed opinions, or is your main objection to this boat- LIKE THE REST OF YOUR LIFE- centered on the negative personal impressions you have formed of people who own one? No matter how derisively you care to paint the stereotype of Sea Ray owners, you'll never really come to grips with the fact that every one of them owns a boat- and you don't. Surprise us just once JimH. Just once, talk boats and not personalities, if you can. |
wrote in message oups.com... How much did SeaRay pay you for this fluff review? *********************************************** I pick up my new 55-footer tomorrow. Seriously, JimH, I don't get paid a dime by Sea Ray or any other manufacturer. And if you'll notice, it's not a review. It's a description, along some personal observations, opinions, and impressions. There's no claim that we measured any sort of performance or got underway in the boat- as we did neither. This may come as a real shock to you, but discussing boats and comparing impressions and opinions about boats (rather than bitchily harpooning personalities at every turn) is supposed to be what a boating newsgroup is all about. So what were the downsides of the boat and why did you not mention them in your fluff article? Surely there had to be some. Too bad for you, of course, as you have demonstrated little knowledge about boats or boating and the very best of your extremely rare on-topic advice recently- to a guy trying to figure out if $1500 was too much to pay for a nearly 30 year old boat, motor, and trailer in running condition- was to "look it up in NADA." I'm still grinning over that one. Where did I say that $1,500 was too much to pay? The boat was close to 20 years old and for all I knew it had a value of $1,000....thus my advice. I am not nor ever have been a used boat salesmen. You have so you definitely have a leg up on me. I have over 25 years of boating and boat ownership on the Great Lakes. If you have a problem with my knowledge of boats and boating, tough **** Chuckie. BTW: My recent *on topic* posts far exceed yours. You have also started far more *off topic* posts. Want to bet on that Chuck or will you retract your statement? Grin away Chuck. I know how much it p's you off when somebody posts on topic. Sorry. grin Grasping at straws... But here, please, redeem yourself: If you disagree with my opinions, impressions, or description of the Sea Ray 200 Select please respond with your specific comments related to that boat. ("I think you're an asshole" won't count). Thanks. I have never been on that boat but if I did I am sure I would find some positives and some negatives about it...unless of course I was being paid big bucks to write a fluff article about it. But hell, I have morals and would never be paid off to do so. You on the other hand................ BTW: Do you wear gold chains and a speedo Chuck? |
wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: Wow, a member of the "I own a SeaRay...look at me" club. Gold chain holders......gold trim....fast boats...poor quality. All owned by fat old farts with gold chains and with severe shrinkage...."look at me"....I own a go fast SeaRay. How funny. *************** So here's your chance to demonstrate your vast boating knowledge. Do you have anything factual to offer to counter my description and expressed opinions, or is your main objection to this boat- LIKE THE REST OF YOUR LIFE- centered on the negative personal impressions you have formed of people who own one? No matter how derisively you care to paint the stereotype of Sea Ray owners, you'll never really come to grips with the fact that every one of them owns a boat- and you don't. Surprise us just once JimH. Just once, talk boats and not personalities, if you can. |
wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: Wow, a member of the "I own a SeaRay...look at me" club. Gold chain holders......gold trim....fast boats...poor quality. All owned by fat old farts with gold chains and with severe shrinkage...."look at me"....I own a go fast SeaRay. How funny. *************** So here's your chance to demonstrate your vast boating knowledge. Do you have anything factual to offer to counter my description and expressed opinions, or is your main objection to this boat- As I said I have no knowledge of the boat but do find it strange that you had no negative comments about it. All boats have good and bad points....you choose, however, to misdirect the buying public by publishing only positive fluff. I know for a fact that SeaRay took a downturn in 1990 when the Brunswick purchase took grasp of their design and construction quality. Do you argue that? LIKE THE REST OF YOUR LIFE- centered on the negative personal impressions you have formed of people who own one? Another personal attack...a sure sign you are losing this discussion. No matter how derisively you care to paint the stereotype of Sea Ray owners, you'll never really come to grips with the fact that every one of them owns a boat- and you don't. Come on Chuck. You are really reaching bottom. Surprise us just once JimH. Just once, talk boats and not personalities, if you can. In recent months I have more on topic post than you do Chuck. You also have more off topic posts than I do. Want to bet those facts Chuck? |
Where did I say that $1,500 was too much to pay? The boat was close to
20 years old and for all I knew it had a value of $1,000....thus my advice. I am not nor ever have been a used boat salesmen. You have so you definitely have a leg up on me. ********* You still don't get it. That's even funnier. There's no meaningful "book value" on a 30 year old boat. The value of a boat like that is going to be whatever two people agree that it is. There's not much risk of seriously overpaying for a boat reported in fair or better condition that floats and runs at $1500. If you knew about boats, you'd know that. You ought to keep your mouth shut rather than dispense goofy advice. Your "25 years of boating experience" sounds more like 90-days experience repeated 100 times. ****************** JimH wrote: I have never been on that boat but if I did I am sure I would find some positives and some negatives about it...unless of course I was being paid big bucks to write a fluff article about it. But hell, I have morals and would never be paid off to do so. You on the other hand................ ********** So let's get this straight: You admit you have never been aboard the boat, but you are sure that my description is so inaccurate that it indicates a lack of basic morality? Tell us about your morality: Does it involve arriving at conclusions about people and statements without any evidence what-so-ever (as you admit to doing above)? Does it involve posting endless personal attacks against perfect strangers? Where did you learn this moral code? You continue to claim the honor of being among the leading "on-topic" posters here. Google is not your friend, at all, in that regard. 90% of your crap is dedicated to personal attack. Look yourself up and see. The only people you're fooling with your claim are folks who don't follow your endless spew of anti-Gould, anti-Krause, anti- (insert names here) drivel. So, unless you can post something actually related to the boat, your negative opinion of the boat and your assertion that my description is "immoral" isn't based on any knowledge of the boat, but rather on your silly stereotype of Sea Ray owners and your hatred for most of the rest of mankind (including yours truly). Right? If you had any reason to hang around a marina, you'd soon meet some Sea Ray owners and you would know how foolish your stereotype sounds. Most bashers betray only their own ignorance, rather than any real knowledge about a product. If you had any shame, you would be embarrassed. |
wrote in message oups.com... Where did I say that $1,500 was too much to pay? The boat was close to 20 years old and for all I knew it had a value of $1,000....thus my advice. I am not nor ever have been a used boat salesmen. You have so you definitely have a leg up on me. ********* You still don't get it. That's even funnier. There's no meaningful "book value" on a 30 year old boat. The value of a boat like that is going to be whatever two people agree that it is. There's not much risk of seriously overpaying for a boat reported in fair or better condition that floats and runs at $1500. If you knew about boats, you'd know that. You ought to keep your mouth shut rather than dispense goofy advice. Fine. You are the only one arguing that fact to give you some sort of credibility. Your "25 years of boating experience" sounds more like 90-days experience repeated 100 times. More persona attacks Chuck. Apparently you lost this discussion by doing so. ****************** JimH wrote: I have never been on that boat but if I did I am sure I would find some positives and some negatives about it...unless of course I was being paid big bucks to write a fluff article about it. But hell, I have morals and would never be paid off to do so. You on the other hand................ ********** So let's get this straight: You admit you have never been aboard the boat, but you are sure that my description is so inaccurate that it indicates a lack of basic morality? Yep. All boats have flaws. You never describe them in your fluff reviews. A lack of morals...accepting payments from the man to keep it positive.......yep. Tell us about your morality: Does it involve arriving at conclusions about people and statements without any evidence what-so-ever (as you admit to doing above)? Does it involve posting endless personal attacks against perfect strangers? Where did you learn this moral code? You continue to claim the honor of being among the leading "on-topic" posters here. Google is not your friend, at all, in that regard. 90% of your crap is dedicated to personal attack. Look yourself up and see. The only people you're fooling with your claim are folks who don't follow your endless spew of anti-Gould, anti-Krause, anti- (insert names here) drivel. I believe you are second to Krause on Off Topic posts, somewhere in the neighborhood of 10,000+. Now if you can dispute that, in recent months. my on topic posts are greater than yours please do so. You have relied on century old data. So, unless you can post something actually related to the boat, your negative opinion of the boat and your assertion that my description is "immoral" isn't based on any knowledge of the boat, but rather on your silly stereotype of Sea Ray owners and your hatred for most of the rest of mankind (including yours truly). Right? If you had any reason to hang around a marina, you'd soon meet some Sea Ray owners and you would know how foolish your stereotype sounds. Most bashers betray only their own ignorance, rather than any real knowledge about a product. If you had any shame, you would be embarrass I have spend many nights at my marinas and have seen many owners of newer (post 189) SeaRays. My impression: 1. They generally knew nothing about boats and boat quality (construction wise) or value 2. They purchased on name recognition. Your "look at me I own a Searay" review does nothing to negate that. Have a good night Chuck. |
"*JimH*" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: Wow, a member of the "I own a SeaRay...look at me" club. Gold chain holders......gold trim....fast boats...poor quality. All owned by fat old farts with gold chains and with severe shrinkage...."look at me"....I own a go fast SeaRay. How funny. *************** So here's your chance to demonstrate your vast boating knowledge. Do you have anything factual to offer to counter my description and expressed opinions, or is your main objection to this boat- As I said I have no knowledge of the boat but do find it strange that you had no negative comments about it. All boats have good and bad points....you choose, however, to misdirect the buying public by publishing only positive fluff. I know for a fact that SeaRay took a downturn in 1990 when the Brunswick purchase took grasp of their design and construction quality. Do you argue that? LIKE THE REST OF YOUR LIFE- centered on the negative personal impressions you have formed of people who own one? Another personal attack...a sure sign you are losing this discussion. No matter how derisively you care to paint the stereotype of Sea Ray owners, you'll never really come to grips with the fact that every one of them owns a boat- and you don't. Come on Chuck. You are really reaching bottom. Surprise us just once JimH. Just once, talk boats and not personalities, if you can. In recent months I have more on topic post than you do Chuck. You also have more off topic posts than I do. Want to bet those facts Chuck? Silence. How telling. |
Silence.
How telling. ********** Yeah, I went down to the boat for a couple of hours, enjoyed a nice dinner and a Guinness. Tough for you to imagine, being boatless and all. |
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:01:31 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:
*JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Nice write up, but no rod holders! ************************* It's about going fast, looking good, and having fun. Wow, a member of the "I own a SeaRay...look at me" club. Gold chain holders......gold trim....fast boats...poor quality. All owned by fat old farts with gold chains and with severe shrinkage...."look at me"....I own a go fast SeaRay. How funny. Have you, at last, no shame? You and your compadres add nothing of value, ever, to this newsgroup, to discussions of boats, fishing, boating topics, politics, anything. None of you can write anything original worth the read, and all you do is gripe about those who try. Go get laid. Or something. Maybe Karen Smith will do you. Or maybe Smithers in one of his female IDs here will. You're really pathetic. You don't have a boat, your boy Smithers doesn't have a boat, and I doubt any of the other members of your pointy-headed klan have a boat, either, with the exception of Herring. Find yourself a newsgroup of losers, and take your bullyboys with you. All of them. Harry, Harry, Harry! You're losing your serenity over comments by JimH! Don't let them get to you. Remember, he's simply doing what you started many years ago. Except, he does it better and no one doubts his word. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
Chuck, great write up, I really enjoy it. Its a shame that others has to
flame write ups like this. My dad use to tell me that people who has to find anything to complain about are usually not happy with there life. Chuck, as always I enjoy your writings and I had a chance to ride in my old boss sea ray, it was a very fast and very nice looking boat. Thanks Again Ed "*JimH*" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... Where did I say that $1,500 was too much to pay? The boat was close to 20 years old and for all I knew it had a value of $1,000....thus my advice. I am not nor ever have been a used boat salesmen. You have so you definitely have a leg up on me. ********* You still don't get it. That's even funnier. There's no meaningful "book value" on a 30 year old boat. The value of a boat like that is going to be whatever two people agree that it is. There's not much risk of seriously overpaying for a boat reported in fair or better condition that floats and runs at $1500. If you knew about boats, you'd know that. You ought to keep your mouth shut rather than dispense goofy advice. Fine. You are the only one arguing that fact to give you some sort of credibility. Your "25 years of boating experience" sounds more like 90-days experience repeated 100 times. More persona attacks Chuck. Apparently you lost this discussion by doing so. ****************** JimH wrote: I have never been on that boat but if I did I am sure I would find some positives and some negatives about it...unless of course I was being paid big bucks to write a fluff article about it. But hell, I have morals and would never be paid off to do so. You on the other hand................ ********** So let's get this straight: You admit you have never been aboard the boat, but you are sure that my description is so inaccurate that it indicates a lack of basic morality? Yep. All boats have flaws. You never describe them in your fluff reviews. A lack of morals...accepting payments from the man to keep it positive.......yep. Tell us about your morality: Does it involve arriving at conclusions about people and statements without any evidence what-so-ever (as you admit to doing above)? Does it involve posting endless personal attacks against perfect strangers? Where did you learn this moral code? You continue to claim the honor of being among the leading "on-topic" posters here. Google is not your friend, at all, in that regard. 90% of your crap is dedicated to personal attack. Look yourself up and see. The only people you're fooling with your claim are folks who don't follow your endless spew of anti-Gould, anti-Krause, anti- (insert names here) drivel. I believe you are second to Krause on Off Topic posts, somewhere in the neighborhood of 10,000+. Now if you can dispute that, in recent months. my on topic posts are greater than yours please do so. You have relied on century old data. So, unless you can post something actually related to the boat, your negative opinion of the boat and your assertion that my description is "immoral" isn't based on any knowledge of the boat, but rather on your silly stereotype of Sea Ray owners and your hatred for most of the rest of mankind (including yours truly). Right? If you had any reason to hang around a marina, you'd soon meet some Sea Ray owners and you would know how foolish your stereotype sounds. Most bashers betray only their own ignorance, rather than any real knowledge about a product. If you had any shame, you would be embarrass I have spend many nights at my marinas and have seen many owners of newer (post 189) SeaRays. My impression: 1. They generally knew nothing about boats and boat quality (construction wise) or value 2. They purchased on name recognition. Your "look at me I own a Searay" review does nothing to negate that. Have a good night Chuck. |
I'm glad you enjoyed the description of the boat, Ed.
In a perfect world, people who disagreed with my comments would express that disagreement based on their own personal knowledge or research. I guess the lazy approach is to just go directly to personal attack, and it works pretty well for folks with no knowledge upon which to base a factual rebuttal. My observations about various boats aren't going to be well received by a couple of folks here, but that doesn't stop me from offering them for the benefit of folks like yourself who say they enjoy them. (I don't write any of them specifically for the NG, so there's investment of additional time to post them here) .. |
Chuck,
I find your comments to be as accurate and as well written as any I have read in any boating magazine. Do you disagree with any statement I made concerning the quid pro quo relationship between boat builders and boating magazines? Don't you believe it is in the best interest of those reading these reviews and observations to understand that relationship? I for one hope you keep posting your articles, but let's be honest, they are PR pieces for the builders, they are not unbiased discussions about the merits of the boat. wrote in message ups.com... I'm glad you enjoyed the description of the boat, Ed. In a perfect world, people who disagreed with my comments would express that disagreement based on their own personal knowledge or research. I guess the lazy approach is to just go directly to personal attack, and it works pretty well for folks with no knowledge upon which to base a factual rebuttal. My observations about various boats aren't going to be well received by a couple of folks here, but that doesn't stop me from offering them for the benefit of folks like yourself who say they enjoy them. (I don't write any of them specifically for the NG, so there's investment of additional time to post them here) . |
John H wrote:
Harry, Harry, Harry! You're losing your serenity over comments by JimH! Don't let them get to you. Remember, he's simply doing what you started many years ago. Except, he does it better and no one doubts his word. JohnH....are you on crack cocaine...or just making a joke? Everyone here with a lick of common sense sees through JimH's preaching. Put him on TV...he could probably squeeze enough money out of the guilable old ladies to buy a boat...or a yellow Mustang. |
John H wrote:
Harry, Harry, Harry! You're losing your serenity over comments by JimH! Don't let them get to you. Remember, he's simply doing what you started many years ago. Except, he does it better and no one doubts his word. ******** John, are you saying that JimH can outKrause Krause? Wow, I guess that would be an accomplishment. |
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wrote in message ups.com... John H wrote: Harry, Harry, Harry! You're losing your serenity over comments by JimH! Don't let them get to you. Remember, he's simply doing what you started many years ago. Except, he does it better and no one doubts his word. ******** John, are you saying that JimH can outKrause Krause? Wow, I guess that would be an accomplishment. What was the lay-up schedule on this SeaRay 200 Select that you gave raving reviews to Chuck? Surely you must know about the construction and construction quality if your rave review is a valid one. |
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