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Eisboch April 15th 04 12:19 PM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

John Gaquin wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message

....There is
a major difference in having a belief, and acting on that belief.



Yes -- that difference is called "courage".


Not in Bush's case. In his case, it was pigheadedness, stupidity, and
politics.


Harry, I think you are going to find that your type of anti-Bush rhetoric
will be the downfall of your and your party's attempts to oust him in the
coming election. Personal attacks on people usually result in a backlash of
support for them, particularly when they are perceived by many as an average
guy trying to do his best in a very difficult situation. Harry Truman
comes to mind.

A better argument would include the identification of specific differences
in policies and ideas for dealing with our global problems. Unfortunately,
John Kerry has yet to identify any, other than to hand the problems back to
the UN. If you recall, Bush tried this to no significant avail.

Eisboch


basskisser April 15th 04 12:30 PM

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"Joe" wrote in message ...
Poor (FAS)kisser, never had a chance.
Fried before birth.


Have any evidence? Unlike you, I'm a man of conviction. You, on the
other hand, talk the talk ONLY when hiding behind a newsgroup, AND an
anonymous address. What a ****ing low life loser you are. Oh, and,
hey, I thought you had added me to your blocked list.

basskisser April 15th 04 12:34 PM

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"NOYB" wrote in message news:zEifc.7017
Of course he lied. There were all sorts of reports available to Bush
that indicated there were no WMD in Iraq.


Don't worry Harry...we'll find the WMD's. Bush's comment about mustard gas
recently found at a turkey farm in Libya should be proof that he hasn't
given up the search.


Oh, I think I get it! Bush invaded Iraq, because Libya has WMDs????

Every intelligence agency in the Western world knew
Saddam had 'em. There were numerous reports before the war by Israeli
intelligence (and others) that large convoys were leaving Iraq and heading
to Syria. Although they haven't talked about it very much publicly, the
Administration believes that Syria is hiding the WMD's.


OH, so Bush didn't invade Iraq because Libya had WMD's, he invaded
Iraq because Syria had them???

basskisser April 15th 04 12:38 PM

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"Bill" wrote in message ...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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jim-- wrote:

I suppose it is a bad thing, but certainly not on the level of a current
Senator killing a young lady named Mary Jo Kopechne then running away

from
the accident. Or perhaps not on the same level as a POTUS having oral

sex
with an intern.



Sins, indeed, but they pale in comparision to Presidunce Bush lying to
get us into a war with Iraq, and causing the deaths of thousands of
people, including many non-combatant civilians.


Yea why don't you and Asskisser go to Iraq and live since you don't like
this country so much. If Clinton had done his job we would not be in the
mess we are now. You can say what you want about Bush But you can not deny
the truth that this is all Clinton's fault. He should be the one saying he
was sorry to the American people. You can not say Clinton didn't lied
either, their are court recorders stating the facts. Or are you going to say
the Judge Lied to. Everyone lies except for Democrats. Yea that funny that
demo don't lie....ha ha ha


Because it's our patriotic duty to get that lying piece of **** out of
office, and back to not being able to find oil in Texas.

basskisser April 15th 04 12:40 PM

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"NOYB" wrote in message link.net...
What year did you live in Naples basskisser?


Why?

basskisser April 15th 04 12:43 PM

OT Texas Republicans
 
"jim--" wrote in message ...
I suppose it is a bad thing, but certainly not on the level of a current
Senator killing a young lady named Mary Jo Kopechne then running away from
the accident. Or perhaps not on the same level as a POTUS having oral sex
with an intern.


Yeah, what to hell is up with those people? Don't they know that your
not supposed to ENJOY anything, even sex?? We probably should spend,
oh, say, $57 million to find out WHY! Oh, wait, never mind, all ready
has been done.

thunder April 15th 04 12:50 PM

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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:02:07 +0000, NOYB wrote:


"thunder" wrote in message
...

LOL, then he was clearly wrong, as there are no WMD.


You sure about that? There's no way every intelligence agency in the
Western World was wrong about their existance. I know that we'll find 'em
eventually. I just hope that it's before the election. Unfortunately, I
believe that it will require troops in Syria...and that won't happen until
Bush's 2nd term.


LOL, I don't think I could disagree with you more. First, *if* Bush is
reelected, both he and the Army will still have their hands full with
Iraq. I don't think even Bush is dumb enough to start yet another war.

Second, no country would risk our wrath by accepting Iraq's WMD, *if* they
existed. A terrorist network, perhaps, but no country. All of the WMD
Iraq was accused of having, has a shelf life of 3-5 years. Why would
Syria want WMD that is rapidly turning to goo. For a country, it is the
capability to make WMD that is important, not the WMD itself. Let me once
again state, Syria and Iraq are not allied. Syria sided with Iran in the
Iran-Iraq War, and the US in the first Gulf War.

Third, there were several intelligence sources that didn't believe Iraq
was in possession of WMD capabilities when we invaded, including many
agents in our own agencies.

NOYB April 15th 04 04:16 PM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:c3dhc2g=.0973c1468580f0f8aff7c61aa587d290@108 2031194.nulluser.com...
And despite the fact that his formal education did not offer
him the advantages Bush had, he could plainly and well, without
butchering standard English.


Thank you for providing your own example of "butchering standard English".



NOYB April 15th 04 04:17 PM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"thunder" wrote in message
...


LOL, then he was clearly wrong, as there are no WMD.



You sure about that? There's no way every intelligence agency in the
Western World was wrong about their existance. I know that we'll find

'em
eventually. I just hope that it's before the election. Unfortunately,

I
believe that it will require troops in Syria...and that won't happen

until
Bush's 2nd term.




They are on a truck right now, being driven by a Halliburton employee,

eh?

Oh, so that's it. The Mehdi Army is attacking our convoys and killing
civilians in a search for WMD's that we're trying to "plant".

Do you guys actually believe your own bull****?




NOYB April 15th 04 04:35 PM

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"Gary Warner" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

You sure about that? There's no way every intelligence agency in the
Western World was wrong about their existance.


Galileo and I had a good laugh over this...


So you're into necromancy, eh?

Since you mentioned Galileo, then perhaps his theory on abstract dynamics
applies he the weapons are there, but they can't be observed under
anything less than ideal circumstances (ie--Saddam didn't have 1 year to
hide them; Syria would let our guys in to take a look; scientists watching
the current insurgency are no longer fearful to reveal their existence,
etc).

In fact, I'd say invoking Galileo's name is a pretty dumb way to prove that
something *doen't* exist.





NOYB April 15th 04 05:56 PM

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"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:02:07 +0000, NOYB wrote:


"thunder" wrote in message
...

LOL, then he was clearly wrong, as there are no WMD.


You sure about that? There's no way every intelligence agency in the
Western World was wrong about their existance. I know that we'll find

'em
eventually. I just hope that it's before the election. Unfortunately,

I
believe that it will require troops in Syria...and that won't happen

until
Bush's 2nd term.


LOL, I don't think I could disagree with you more. First, *if* Bush is
reelected, both he and the Army will still have their hands full with
Iraq. I don't think even Bush is dumb enough to start yet another war.


Although some might perceive it as *another* war, it would *not* be another
war. Rather, it would be just a continuation of the current one.




Second, no country would risk our wrath by accepting Iraq's WMD, *if* they
existed. A terrorist network, perhaps, but no country.


I disagree. Syria was stupid enough to send military aid and terrorists to
Iraq. They were also dumb enough to skirt the oil embargo, hide Saddam's
money, and give sanctuary to many of the Baath Party officials from Saddam's
regime (possible even Saddam and his sons initially). Of course, seeing how
serious we were about making them the next target, they stopped supplying
the military hardware, and threw out the officials. Perhaps they accepted
the WMD, but later figured that either: a) turning them over would still not
prevent a U.S. attack, or b) they could hide them effectively enough, and we
couldn't find them unless we actually invaded Syria. I believe "b".


All of the WMD
Iraq was accused of having, has a shelf life of 3-5 years.


Not the bioweapon cultures...and certainly not the technology on how to make
them.

Why would
Syria want WMD that is rapidly turning to goo.


The bugs from the bioweapons could be replicated easily and kept alive
indefinitely...and the technology would never "turn to goo".


For a country, it is the
capability to make WMD that is important, not the WMD itself.


Even David Kay speculated that Iraq shipped to Syria small quantities of WMD
and the technology to produce them .

Let me once
again state, Syria and Iraq are not allied. Syria sided with Iran in the
Iran-Iraq War, and the US in the first Gulf War.


So? They also traded oil for cash with Saddam, and backed him with weapons
when we invaded.


Third, there were several intelligence sources that didn't believe Iraq
was in possession of WMD capabilities when we invaded, including many
agents in our own agencies.


Are you talking about that pedophile that was part of UNSCOM?




NOYB April 15th 04 05:57 PM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

John Smith wrote:


If Bush lied about WMD's, then so did all presidents going back to the


late

80's and the majority of congressman, senators and the United Nations


since

the First Gulf War.

You may not agree with Bush's decision to a preemptive strike, but no


one

can seriously believe he lied. It might make for a great campaign

sound
bite, but any rational person would know that is nothing more than


politics

to say Bush lied, since he was using the exact same intelligence that
Clinton used when he stated Iraq had WMD.



Of course he lied. There were all sorts of reports available to Bush
that indicated there were no WMD in Iraq.



Don't worry Harry...we'll find the WMD's. Bush's comment about mustard

gas
recently found at a turkey farm in Libya should be proof that he hasn't
given up the search. Every intelligence agency in the Western world knew
Saddam had 'em. There were numerous reports before the war by Israeli
intelligence (and others) that large convoys were leaving Iraq and

heading
to Syria. Although they haven't talked about it very much publicly, the
Administration believes that Syria is hiding the WMD's. Just watch.





I heard it was Guildens mustard sauce...


I'd believe mayo...but nobody puts mustard on turkey.




Henry Blackmoore April 15th 04 05:58 PM

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In article %sffc.144028$JO3.84998@attbi_s04, "John Smith" wrote:

If Bush lied about WMD's, then so did all presidents going back to the late
80's and the majority of congressman, senators and the United Nations since
the First Gulf War.

You may not agree with Bush's decision to a preemptive strike, but no one
can seriously believe he lied. It might make for a great campaign sound
bite, but any rational person would know that is nothing more than politics
to say Bush lied, since he was using the exact same intelligence that
Clinton used when he stated Iraq had WMD.


You are not talking with a "rational" or sane person here. You are talking to
a putrid old yellow dog democrat.

And when you get him on a good point he simply dodges the posting and
comes back later to hit and run again.




"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:c3dhc2g=.844e1d7c1ae2e7e90bbc8c284ef604be@10 81964749.nulluser.com...
jim-- wrote:

I suppose it is a bad thing, but certainly not on the level of a current
Senator killing a young lady named Mary Jo Kopechne then running away

from
the accident. Or perhaps not on the same level as a POTUS having oral

sex
with an intern.



Sins, indeed, but they pale in comparision to Presidunce Bush lying to
get us into a war with Iraq, and causing the deaths of thousands of
people, including many non-combatant civilians.





Henry Blackmoore April 15th 04 05:59 PM

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In article , thunder wrote:

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:09:35 +0000, John Smith wrote:

What about the past presidents, including Bill Clinton and the majority of
congressman, including democrats and republicans who strongly believe Iraq
had WMD? Where all of them incompetent?


If they had invaded Iraq, yes they would have been incompetent. There is
a major difference in having a belief, and acting on that belief. Before
one puts lives at risk, it is prudent to be sure. Going to war is not an
"Ooops, sorry!" proposition. To paraphrase, how would *you* ask a man to
be the last to die for a mistake?


Armchair quarterbacks are a dime a dozen.


NOYB April 15th 04 06:01 PM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
No wonder he was beaten by a dead man.


The funny thing is...Carnahan's poll numbers didn't improve until after he
died. I guess voting for the guy was the political equivalent of a "pity
****".



NOYB April 15th 04 06:07 PM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Neither Edison nor Einstein went into
lines of work where oration was important.


No, but James Madison and Thomas Jefferson...two people generally considered
as poor speakers...did.



Stephen Hawking can't even
speak with the aid of a machine, yet no one thinks the less of him. It
isn't important that he speaks normally.

Bush is a politician, not a oood president. He is a terrible president.
And he can't speak very well, either.
=


I expect a president of the us to be able to speak competently in
public. Bush cannot.


I expect people to tell the truth. Your side cannot.



NOYB April 15th 04 06:10 PM

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"Don White" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote in message
ink.net...


Don't worry Harry...we'll find the WMD's. Bush's comment about mustard

gas
recently found at a turkey farm in Libya should be proof that he hasn't
given up the search. Every intelligence agency in the Western world knew
Saddam had 'em. There were numerous reports before the war by Israeli
intelligence (and others) that large convoys were leaving Iraq and

heading
to Syria. Although they haven't talked about it very much publicly, the
Administration believes that Syria is hiding the WMD's. Just watch.


Possible, but you would thing Israel would be very nervous of Syria having
all those WMD and strike first.


Which is precisely why Israeli jets buzzed Assad's palace several months
ago. That was a warning.



NOYB April 15th 04 06:13 PM

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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message

link.net...
What year did you live in Naples basskisser?


Why?


Because Naples has changed since you were here. What year was that?



Tom April 15th 04 06:15 PM

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Just last night Bush said something like, "We know Saddam had those weapons,
we know because he used them on his own people." True enough. But that was
HOW many years ago? 10? Does that mean he still has them? Does that
mean that the best way to get them (if they are there at all) is to send our
troops in to invade?


Looks like Bush wasn't the only one who was confused??

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
authority
to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I
believe
that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands
is a real
and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to

miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response
to his
continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass
destruction
.. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction
is real
..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

How many years later?????

Don April 15th 04 06:26 PM

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"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Neither Edison nor Einstein went into
lines of work where oration was important.


No, but James Madison and Thomas Jefferson...two people generally

considered
as poor speakers...did.



Stephen Hawking can't even
speak with the aid of a machine, yet no one thinks the less of him. It
isn't important that he speaks normally.

Bush is a politician, not a oood president. He is a terrible president.
And he can't speak very well, either.
=


I expect a president of the us to be able to speak competently in
public. Bush cannot.


I expect people to tell the truth. Your side cannot.


Both sides have liars and thieves.



Eisboch April 15th 04 07:07 PM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Truman was no average guy. He was extraordinarily intelligent and
capable. And despite the fact that his formal education did not offer
him the advantages Bush had, he could plainly and well, without
butchering standard English.


I certainly agree that Truman was very intelligent and capable. My "average
guy" comment referred to his reputation as a no nonsense, plain speaking,
common sense type of person. GWB comes across a lot more like him than most
of the other current crop of professional politicians (although I kinda like
Bob Kerrey's style).



Bush the other night said he was leaving to the UN the choice of picking
who was supposed to be running Iraq on 30 June.


It will never happen. Collectively, the UN couldn't get together to decide
on a lunch menu.

Eisboch


thunder April 15th 04 07:14 PM

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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:59:55 +0000, Henry Blackmoore wrote:


Armchair quarterbacks are a dime a dozen.


LOL, and lying politicians? A rare breed, I suppose.

Henry Blackmoore April 15th 04 07:21 PM

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In article , (basskisser) wrote:

"Bill" wrote in message
...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:c3dhc2g=.844e1d7c1ae2e7e90bbc8c284ef604be@108 1964749.nulluser.com...
jim-- wrote:

I suppose it is a bad thing, but certainly not on the level of a current
Senator killing a young lady named Mary Jo Kopechne then running away

from
the accident. Or perhaps not on the same level as a POTUS having oral

sex
with an intern.



Sins, indeed, but they pale in comparision to Presidunce Bush lying to
get us into a war with Iraq, and causing the deaths of thousands of
people, including many non-combatant civilians.


Yea why don't you and Asskisser go to Iraq and live since you don't like
this country so much. If Clinton had done his job we would not be in the
mess we are now. You can say what you want about Bush But you can not deny
the truth that this is all Clinton's fault. He should be the one saying he
was sorry to the American people. You can not say Clinton didn't lied
either, their are court recorders stating the facts. Or are you going to say
the Judge Lied to. Everyone lies except for Democrats. Yea that funny that
demo don't lie....ha ha ha


Because it's our patriotic duty to get that lying piece of **** out of
office, and back to not being able to find oil in Texas.


Jealous because he is more successful then you will ever be 'asstoker?


Henry Blackmoore April 15th 04 07:25 PM

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In article , (basskisser) wrote:

"jim--" wrote in message
...
I suppose it is a bad thing, but certainly not on the level of a current
Senator killing a young lady named Mary Jo Kopechne then running away from
the accident. Or perhaps not on the same level as a POTUS having oral sex
with an intern.


Yeah, what to hell is up with those people? Don't they know that your
not supposed to ENJOY anything, even sex?? We probably should spend,
oh, say, $57 million to find out WHY! Oh, wait, never mind, all ready
has been done.


Yeah "sex" with an unconscious girl and then a little late night underwater
"swim".

That kind of "sex" is always more enjoyable when you cover up the evidence
and get away with it.

Btw it's "you're". A contractual form of "you are". It would be better if
you would just stick to saying "you are".




Henry Blackmoore April 15th 04 07:28 PM

OT Texas Republicans
 
In article , "jim--" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:c3dhc2g=.844e1d7c1ae2e7e90bbc8c284ef604be@10 81964749.nulluser.com...
jim-- wrote:

I suppose it is a bad thing, but certainly not on the level of a current
Senator killing a young lady named Mary Jo Kopechne then running away

from
the accident. Or perhaps not on the same level as a POTUS having oral

sex
with an intern.



Sins, indeed, but they pale in comparision to Presidunce Bush lying to
get us into a war with Iraq, and causing the deaths of thousands of
people, including many non-combatant civilians.



How is your sockpuppet pal Creaky these days? And Harry Hope, how is he
doing? Invite Creaky on your custom made 36 foot lobster boat lately?


You know how a lot of men have names for their _____?
Do ya think that "creaky" is actually a pet name for Harry's _____?

Oh my!



thunder April 15th 04 08:33 PM

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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:56:05 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Although some might perceive it as *another* war, it would *not* be
another war. Rather, it would be just a continuation of the current
one.


Yup, I'm thinking this War on Terrorism will surpass America's longest
war, the War on Drugs, and with about the same success.

I disagree. Syria was stupid enough to send military aid and terrorists
to Iraq. They were also dumb enough to skirt the oil embargo, hide
Saddam's money, and give sanctuary to many of the Baath Party officials
from Saddam's regime (possible even Saddam and his sons initially). Of
course, seeing how serious we were about making them the next target,
they stopped supplying the military hardware, and threw out the
officials. Perhaps they accepted the WMD, but later figured that
either: a) turning them over would still not prevent a U.S. attack, or
b) they could hide them effectively enough, and we couldn't find them
unless we actually invaded Syria. I believe "b".


Puhleese, judging from the amount of illegal aliens we have, we haven't
done a very good job of policing our borders. Why are you holding Syria
to a higher standard? A third world country unable to police hundreds of
miles of desert wasteland, perhaps Bush should instruct Syria on
establishing a Department of Homeland Security. Syria did try to seal
it's border:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/syria/stor...940947,00.html

The bugs from the bioweapons could be replicated easily and kept alive
indefinitely...and the technology would never "turn to goo".


LOL, now you are sounding like the Bush administration. So now, it is not
WMD, it is WMD related programs.


Even David Kay speculated that Iraq shipped to Syria small quantities of
WMD and the technology to produce them .


Speculated? Reminds me of an old Bush quote, "There's an old saying in
Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, it's probably in Tennessee - that says,
fool me once, shame on ... shame on you. It fool me. We can't get fooled
again." Just how many countries are you willing to invade over the same
WMD, *without* ever having seen *any* of said WMD. The WMD is in Iraq.
Whoops, no, it is in Syria. Whoops, no, it is in Iran. Whoops, no, it's
in ... Try selling this somewhere else, I'm not buying.



P.Fritz April 15th 04 08:34 PM

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"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
link.net...
In article , "jim--"

wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:c3dhc2g=.844e1d7c1ae2e7e90bbc8c284ef604be@10 81964749.nulluser.com...
jim-- wrote:

I suppose it is a bad thing, but certainly not on the level of a

current
Senator killing a young lady named Mary Jo Kopechne then running away

from
the accident. Or perhaps not on the same level as a POTUS having

oral
sex
with an intern.



Sins, indeed, but they pale in comparision to Presidunce Bush lying to
get us into a war with Iraq, and causing the deaths of thousands of
people, including many non-combatant civilians.



How is your sockpuppet pal Creaky these days? And Harry Hope, how is he
doing? Invite Creaky on your custom made 36 foot lobster boat lately?


You know how a lot of men have names for their _____?
Do ya think that "creaky" is actually a pet name for Harry's _____?


Only if creaky's last name is limpwood.


Oh my!





Don April 15th 04 09:42 PM

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"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
link.net...
In article , "jim--"

wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message


news:c3dhc2g=.844e1d7c1ae2e7e90bbc8c284ef604be@10 81964749.nulluser.com...
jim-- wrote:

I suppose it is a bad thing, but certainly not on the level of a

current
Senator killing a young lady named Mary Jo Kopechne then running

away
from
the accident. Or perhaps not on the same level as a POTUS having

oral
sex
with an intern.



Sins, indeed, but they pale in comparision to Presidunce Bush lying

to
get us into a war with Iraq, and causing the deaths of thousands of
people, including many non-combatant civilians.



How is your sockpuppet pal Creaky these days? And Harry Hope, how is

he
doing? Invite Creaky on your custom made 36 foot lobster boat lately?


You know how a lot of men have names for their _____?
Do ya think that "creaky" is actually a pet name for Harry's _____?


Only if creaky's last name is limpwood.


Would his first name be Lyle?



Harry Krause April 15th 04 09:46 PM

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Eisboch wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:c3dhc2g=.0973c1468580f0f8aff7c61aa587d290@108 2031194.nulluser.com...


Truman was no average guy. He was extraordinarily intelligent and
capable. And despite the fact that his formal education did not offer
him the advantages Bush had, he could plainly and well, without
butchering standard English.


I certainly agree that Truman was very intelligent and capable. My "average
guy" comment referred to his reputation as a no nonsense, plain speaking,
common sense type of person. GWB comes across a lot more like him than most
of the other current crop of professional politicians (although I kinda like
Bob Kerrey's style).



I'm sorry, but I simply don't get that impression of Bush. To me, he
seems inarticulate and simple-minded, without an abstract idea in his
head. Interestingly, I always liked Bob Kerrey, too.




Bush the other night said he was leaving to the UN the choice of picking
who was supposed to be running Iraq on 30 June.



It will never happen. Collectively, the UN couldn't get together to decide
on a lunch menu.

Eisboch


Well, Bush did say he was leaving the choice of Czar of Iraq to a
representative of the UN. However long we are involved there as we are,
it will be known as Bush's Quagmire.

John Smith April 15th 04 10:13 PM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:c5msej$3cbkf$1@ID-.


I'm sorry, but I simply don't get that impression of Bush. To me, he
seems inarticulate and simple-minded, without an abstract idea in his
head. Interestingly, I always liked Bob Kerrey, too.


Why do you think anyone in this group really cares what you think? Anyone
who makes up a story about a Lobster Boat, and then makes up an imaginary
"buddy" to talk about it, obviously is not of sound mind.




J. Frost April 16th 04 06:03 PM

OT Texas Republicans
 
In article ,
Harry Krause wrote:
John Smith wrote:

If Bush lied about WMD's, then so did all presidents going back to the late
80's and the majority of congressman, senators and the United Nations since
the First Gulf War.

You may not agree with Bush's decision to a preemptive strike, but no one
can seriously believe he lied. It might make for a great campaign sound
bite, but any rational person would know that is nothing more than politics
to say Bush lied, since he was using the exact same intelligence that
Clinton used when he stated Iraq had WMD.


Of course he lied. There were all sorts of reports available to Bush
that indicated there were no WMD in Iraq. Bush and his fellow
Bush-****ters made a conscious decision to ignore intel that didn't play
into their rationale, and then went on to deceive the American public
about it.

The chickens are coming home to roost for Bush now. With any luck, the
American voters will toss the ignorant, incompetent, lying son of a
bitch out this fall.


The weapons of mass destruction that Rumsfeld and others in the Reagan
administration sold to Iraq did exist. In the 1980s and 1990s. But
they were destroyed. See Scott Ritter's piece at
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0210-02.htm
to get some first-hand reports of what was going on during the UNSCOM
days.

We've just shown ourselves to be suckers to Chalabi, willing to invade
a country at the urging of those who wanted Hussein out for their own
purposes. We should be very careful about believing Israel when it claims
that their primary opponent is hiding the same mythical WMDs.

Henry Blackmoore April 16th 04 11:51 PM

OT Texas Republicans
 
In article , "Don" wrote:


"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
link.net...
In article , "jim--"

wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

news:c3dhc2g=.844e1d7c1ae2e7e90bbc8c284ef604be@1 081964749.nulluser.com...
jim-- wrote:

I suppose it is a bad thing, but certainly not on the level of a

current
Senator killing a young lady named Mary Jo Kopechne then running

away
from
the accident. Or perhaps not on the same level as a POTUS having

oral
sex
with an intern.



Sins, indeed, but they pale in comparision to Presidunce Bush lying

to
get us into a war with Iraq, and causing the deaths of thousands of
people, including many non-combatant civilians.



How is your sockpuppet pal Creaky these days? And Harry Hope, how is

he
doing? Invite Creaky on your custom made 36 foot lobster boat lately?


You know how a lot of men have names for their _____?
Do ya think that "creaky" is actually a pet name for Harry's _____?


Only if creaky's last name is limpwood.


Would his first name be Lyle?


What's your pet name Don?



Don April 17th 04 04:18 AM

OT Texas Republicans
 

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
link.net...
In article , "Don"

wrote:


"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
link.net...
In article , "jim--"
wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message


news:c3dhc2g=.844e1d7c1ae2e7e90bbc8c284ef604be@1 081964749.nulluser.com...
jim-- wrote:

I suppose it is a bad thing, but certainly not on the level of a
current
Senator killing a young lady named Mary Jo Kopechne then running

away
from
the accident. Or perhaps not on the same level as a POTUS

having
oral
sex
with an intern.



Sins, indeed, but they pale in comparision to Presidunce Bush

lying
to
get us into a war with Iraq, and causing the deaths of thousands

of
people, including many non-combatant civilians.



How is your sockpuppet pal Creaky these days? And Harry Hope, how

is
he
doing? Invite Creaky on your custom made 36 foot lobster boat

lately?


You know how a lot of men have names for their _____?
Do ya think that "creaky" is actually a pet name for Harry's _____?

Only if creaky's last name is limpwood.


Would his first name be Lyle?


What's your pet name Don?


None that I know of, why?



Charles April 18th 04 08:52 PM

OT Texas Republicans
 


Harry Krause wrote:

John Smith wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:c5msej$3cbkf$1@ID-.


I'm sorry, but I simply don't get that impression of Bush. To me, he
seems inarticulate and simple-minded, without an abstract idea in his
head. Interestingly, I always liked Bob Kerrey, too.



Why do you think anyone in this group really cares what you think?


Ahhh, **** for brains, but I don't really care...I've said that a
million times here. Say...are you "Charles Stanley" in one of your other
faked idents here, or just another newsgroup right-wing asswipe?


krause, you're getting more rattled than usual. All this "not caring"
must be tiring.

-- Charlie

Henry Blackmoore April 20th 04 06:31 PM

OT Texas Republicans
 
In article , "Don" wrote:

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
hlink.net...
In article , "Don"

wrote:


"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
link.net...
In article , "jim--"
wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message


news:c3dhc2g=.844e1d7c1ae2e7e90bbc8c284ef604be@ 1081964749.nulluser.com...
jim-- wrote:

I suppose it is a bad thing, but certainly not on the level of a
current
Senator killing a young lady named Mary Jo Kopechne then running
away
from
the accident. Or perhaps not on the same level as a POTUS

having
oral
sex
with an intern.



Sins, indeed, but they pale in comparision to Presidunce Bush

lying
to
get us into a war with Iraq, and causing the deaths of thousands

of
people, including many non-combatant civilians.



How is your sockpuppet pal Creaky these days? And Harry Hope, how

is
he
doing? Invite Creaky on your custom made 36 foot lobster boat

lately?


You know how a lot of men have names for their _____?
Do ya think that "creaky" is actually a pet name for Harry's _____?

Only if creaky's last name is limpwood.

Would his first name be Lyle?


What's your pet name Don?


None that I know of, why?


Wrong Don. I directed that comment to Don "I love the UN" White.
LOL





Don White April 20th 04 11:03 PM

OT Texas Republicans
 

Henry Blackmoore wrote in message
nk.net...
Wrong Don. I directed that comment to Don "I love the UN" White.
LOL

Need a program to keep up with the players...Henry?



NOYB April 21st 04 06:36 AM

OT Texas Republicans
 

"thunder" wrote in message
...
Just how many countries are you willing to invade over the same
WMD, *without* ever having seen *any* of said WMD. The WMD is in Iraq.
Whoops, no, it is in Syria. Whoops, no, it is in Iran. Whoops, no, it's
in ... Try selling this somewhere else, I'm not buying.


Buy whatever you like. However, the smart money says that time will tell
that Syria did indeed accept a transfer of Saddam's WMD. In fact, don't be
surprised when it's revealed that the "chemicals" that recently made their
way to Jordan via Syria turn out to be VX...a WMD made by Iraq.

BTW--did you notice that the noose around Assad's neck is tightening a
little bit each day?

Bush said to plan sanctions for Syria
Pressure aimed at halting terror aid
By Bryan Bender, Globe Staff | April 20, 2004

WASHINGTON -- President Bush plans to impose sanctions on Syria to pressure
it to halt support for terrorist groups, sending a strong message to
President Bashar Assad as foreign fighters continue to cross into Iraq from
Syrian territory, senior governments officials said yesterday.

The officials also said Jordanian investigators have reported that chemicals
discovered in a foiled Al Qaeda plot in Jordan had been smuggled in from
Syria.

The White House has told members of Congress that as early as this week the
president will implement the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty
Restoration Act, passed overwhelmingly by both houses of Congress and signed
into law in December.

The law gives Bush new leeway to punish Syria economically and
diplomatically for failing to act forcefully against terrorism. The
sanctions could include prohibiting the sale of American products and US
investment in Syria and restricting the travel of Syrian diplomats in the
United States. It was not immediately clear yesterday which sanctions Bush
would invoke.

''The word I have gotten from the administration is the president fully
intends to implement it," Representative Elliot Engel, Republican of New
York and a key sponsor of the legislation, told the Globe yesterday.

Such a move is expected to increase anti-American sentiment in the region,
already heightened over the war in Iraq and Israel's recent assassinations
of two Hamas leaders, as well as Bush's support for Israeli Prime Minister
Ariel Sharon's plan to keep some West Bank settlements.

Engel and others said the White House was waiting to take action against
Syria after a series of meetings in Washington this month with Middle East
leaders, including President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, Sharon, and King
Abdullah of Jordan. Jordanian officials announced yesterday that Abdullah,
who was scheduled to meet with Bush at the White House tomorrow, has
postponed his trip until next month.

''I think there is something we might hear this week," said Theodore
Kattouf, who served as Bush's ambassador to Syria until last fall and met
with the Syrian president last week. He added, however, that recent
developments could delay the move.

Syria, labeled by the State Department as a sponsor of terrorism for its
support of anti-Israeli terrorist groups such as Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and
the Lebanese Hezbollah, has come under enhanced scrutiny in recent days. US
forces have been battling with armed insurgents in western Iraq who are
believed to have infiltrated the country through Syria. Five US Marines were
killed Saturday in the western Iraqi town of Husaybah.

Secretary of State Colin L. Powell told the Associated Press yesterday that
he has asked Syria to beef up security on the border. ''It is in our mutual
interest to deal with the problem," Powell said. ''It is not in Syria's
interest to be seen as a base from which infiltrators can come across to
kill innocent Iraqis or to kill coalition troops."

The Syrian Embassy did not return calls yesterday seeking comment on the
allegations.

General Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Sunday
that ''We know that the pathway into Iraq for many foreign forces is through
Syria. It's a fact. We know it. The Syrians know it." Myers, speaking on
CNN's ''Late Edition," said, ''The Syrians need to take this situation very
seriously. They need to help us stop that infiltration of foreign fighters.
It doesn't do their government any good."

Meanwhile, Jordanian authorities announced Saturday that raids earlier this
month uncovered an Al Qaeda cell in Jordan that was planning to detonate a
huge chemical bomb at the headquarters of the Jordanian Intelligence
Services, the US Embassy, and other targets in Amman. They said the raw
materials could have killed as many as 20,000 people in gas attacks.

''There is evidence that it came from Syria into Jordan," Engel said of the
chemical materials and explosives. ''The Jordanians believe that and I
believe that."

But Kattouf, who met with Assad last week, said Syria has little incentive
to cooperate with the United States in policing its border with Iraq or
other issues in the current environment,

On border control, ''I believe last October the Syrians, through their
ambassador, let it be known that they might be open to some cooperation,"
said Kattouf, president of America-Mideast Educational and Training
Services, a private nonprofit organization in Washington. ''I conclude that
some elements of the [Bush] administration are so anti-Syrian that they
would prefer to issue public warnings rather than to open serious talks on
the matter."

The Syria Accountability Act called on Damascus to ''immediately and
unconditionally halt support for terrorism, permanently and openly declare
its total renunciation of all forms of terrorism, and close all terrorist
offices and facilities in Syria." It also demanded that Syria pull its
military forces out of neighboring Lebanon, which it has occupied for more
than two decades.




thunder April 21st 04 12:05 PM

OT Texas Republicans
 
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 01:36:51 -0400, NOYB wrote:


Buy whatever you like. However, the smart money says that time will tell
that Syria did indeed accept a transfer of Saddam's WMD. In fact, don't
be surprised when it's revealed that the "chemicals" that recently made
their way to Jordan via Syria turn out to be VX...a WMD made by Iraq.


LOL, again, Syria did not accept WMD from Iraq. It's a red herring,
foisted to explain the lack of WMD in Iraq. Syria's relations with Iraq
were tepid at best. This administration blew the intelligence on Iraq's
WMD. As you have difficulty believing this, the final reason Syria would
not accept Iraq's WMD is that it would be unnecessary. Syria's chemical
weapons capability far surpasses Iraq's. It is considered to be the most
advanced in the middle east.

http://cns.miis.edu/research/wmdme/syria.htm

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/syria/


BTW--did you notice that the noose around Assad's neck is tightening a
little bit each day?


Personally, I think the Likud party should fight their own battles.

DSK April 21st 04 07:47 PM

OT Texas Republicans
 
NOYB wrote:
... However, the smart money says that time will tell
that Syria did indeed accept a transfer of Saddam's WMD. In fact, don't
be surprised when it's revealed that the "chemicals" that recently made
their way to Jordan via Syria turn out to be VX...a WMD made by Iraq.



You'll believe any fantasy as long as it's from a pro-Bush/Cheney source

thunder wrote:
LOL, again, Syria did not accept WMD from Iraq. It's a red herring,
foisted to explain the lack of WMD in Iraq. Syria's relations with Iraq
were tepid at best.


And previous to the war, Syria was cooperating with US intel and counter
terrorist ops. Why would the Bush administration claim Syria has WMD's
unless it is really desperate to yet again turn a foreign policy success
into failure.

... This administration blew the intelligence on Iraq's
WMD.


No, they didn't. Bush & Cheney were determined to invade Iraq and topple
Saddam before the election, they just didn't mention it in their
campaign speeches & promises. From their point of view, it has been a
big success... lots & lots of money rolling in... and possibly a second term


... As you have difficulty believing this, the final reason Syria would
not accept Iraq's WMD is that it would be unnecessary. Syria's chemical
weapons capability far surpasses Iraq's. It is considered to be the most
advanced in the middle east.

http://cns.miis.edu/research/wmdme/syria.htm

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/syria/



BTW--did you notice that the noose around Assad's neck is tightening a
little bit each day?



Personally, I think the Likud party should fight their own battles.


They seem to be doing OK. And hey, they're finally giving up some of the
settlements...

DSK


Henry Blackmoore April 22nd 04 06:20 PM

OT Texas Republicans
 
In article , "Don White" wrote:

Henry Blackmoore wrote in message
ink.net...
Wrong Don. I directed that comment to Don "I love the UN" White.
LOL

Need a program to keep up with the players...Henry?


No. I simply directed the comment at you and the wrong Don picked up on it.
No confusion on my part, just yours.

Thanks for playing!



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