Possible Concern
 

"...the Pentagon identified ... who have been missing in Iraq since their
convoy was attacked Friday: Sgt. Elmer C. Krause, 40, of Greensboro, North
Carolina..."

Any relation, Harry?

Possible Concern
 

John Gaquin wrote:
"...the Pentagon identified ... who have been missing in Iraq since their
convoy was attacked Friday: Sgt. Elmer C. Krause, 40, of Greensboro, North
Carolina..."

Any relation, Harry?




No, thank goodness. Hope he turns up ok.

Possible Concern
 

Why is that harry? Then you wont have anything to rub into the faces of
those who progressively want to rid the world of terrorism.
And are these who were kidnapped civilians ?/?? Harry, I will answer for
you. Yes those who were just killed were innocent people working in Iraq
helping to "rebuild" at the expense of the American taxpayers. They were not
soldiers. So your terrorist buddies there harry just killed many more
innocent people, cold killers, this is who you keep defending. So why was
someone named Krause in Iraq anyway? And how does the Krause family react to
this sad news? Do they call him a hero who died in the honor of his country?
I bet the Krause family is now waving the American Flag, whistling a
different tune now.





"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...
"...the Pentagon identified ... who have been missing in Iraq since their
convoy was attacked Friday: Sgt. Elmer C. Krause, 40, of Greensboro, North
Carolina..."

Any relation, Harry?

Possible Concern
 

"""Why did you even make that snotty comment of yours?""''

Only because I beat you to one of your OT posts. Probably something
like,,"""" See,,, another so many dead because of Bush""" posts..
You are the moron who is quick to glee and shine with misfortunes of others
fuel your fire. You,,,,,, you moron. So, you are an ""'piece
of unadulterated **** you are,""'' to quote yourself.
Not too smart are you harry.

Lets look at your next statement.

"""A number of "innocent" civilians are dying in Iraq, Tuuk, not just
employees of US contractors engaged in semi-military activities."""

You know you have to give your head a shake over that one,,, Yes, your
terrorists friends just killed another 4 innocent lives. Did you miss that
headline? Didn't your wife highlight that portion of the newspaper? Look at
the net lives saved!!!! What was Saddams numbers,,, wasn't it 35,000 deaths
per year he was responsible for? So, now that the U.S. has occupied the
country, already there is a net lives saved. You have a problem with that?
GYHAS

What next,,, lets have a look,,,

""'And why would you assume that the so-called insurgents in Iraq are *my*
buddies, Tuuk? I don't know any of them. "'"

Just like the good president said "if your not with us, your with them" The
U.S. is trying to rid the world of terrorism to make it safer for the entire
world. I think that is great. Very Magnanimous of them, and they are picking
up the tab. You keep putting their campaign down. Either your not much of a
team player, or your sitting on the fence, or your one of them, or your just
plain confused. I am not here to judge you, just do it.


what else,,,
Even Presidunce Bush expressed some understanding last night of why some
Iraqis are so worked up about our presence in their country. We are
invaders, after all, and we are a foreign presence on their soil. No
matter what our stated motivation for still being there as a military
force, we are still invaders. """'

Was that a direct quote? Did he say it exactly like that or are you
interpreting it that way? "Presidunce" a logical person would ignore the
rest of your statement when they see it starts like that. I just read it
because you amuse me. And I like handing out free education. For you, I feel
its my duty.

"'"''You might want to read these words of Thomas Jefferson. They were
written as a "bill of particulars" against the British occupation of the
American colonies. A thinking person might ask himself at what point do
we become the modern-day equivalent of the occupying army."''''

Your simply going to have to give your head a shake over that one
(GYHAS)......

Lets see,,, what next

"'"When, in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people
to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another,
and to assume among the Powers of the earth, the separate and equal
station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a
decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should
declare the causes which impel them to the separation""''''''

LOL,,,,, Come on harry,, your spinning,,,

You know that the U.S. does more for any other country in the world. For
poverty, hunger, disease, education, etc etc etc etc. GYHAS.


What else,,,
"""'''Let's try to not minimize the meanings of words, eh? """"

Eh? Now your throwing darts at me??? ya know???

Come on harry,,,, your really beginning to shine now,,,
You better stick with the cutting and pasting,,, it makes you look
smarter.... But looks are deceiving.





"'"'






"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:c3dhc2g=.bc4b9f284eb27e8ac818bc876a6cb400@108 1947289.nulluser.com...
Tuuk wrote:

Why is that harry? Then you wont have anything to rub into the faces of
those who progressively want to rid the world of terrorism.
And are these who were kidnapped civilians ?/?? Harry, I will answer for
you. Yes those who were just killed were innocent people working in Iraq
helping to "rebuild" at the expense of the American taxpayers. They
were not
soldiers. So your terrorist buddies there harry just killed many more
innocent people, cold killers, this is who you keep defending. So why
was
someone named Krause in Iraq anyway? And how does the Krause family
react to
this sad news? Do they call him a hero who died in the honor of his
country?
I bet the Krause family is now waving the American Flag, whistling a
different tune now.





"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...
"...the Pentagon identified ... who have been missing in Iraq since
their
convoy was attacked Friday: Sgt. Elmer C. Krause, 40, of Greensboro,
North
Carolina..."

Any relation, Harry?




No, thank goodness. Hope he turns up ok.


You really *are* a bottom feeder, Tuuk. Why would I wish more misery on
the family of a missing soldier? Don't you think they are suffering
enough? Why did you even make that snotty comment of yours? What a piece
of unadulterated **** you are, Tuuk.

A number of "innocent" civilians are dying in Iraq, Tuuk, not just
employees of US contractors engaged in semi-military activities.

And why would you assume that the so-called insurgents in Iraq are *my*
buddies, Tuuk? I don't know any of them.

Even Presidunce Bush expressed some understanding last night of why some
Iraqis are so worked up about our presence in their country. We are
invaders, after all, and we are a foreign presence on their soil. No
matter what our stated motivation for still being there as a military
force, we are still invaders.

You might want to read these words of Thomas Jefferson. They were
written as a "bill of particulars" against the British occupation of the
American colonies. A thinking person might ask himself at what point do
we become the modern-day equivalent of the occupying army.

When, in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people
to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another,
and to assume among the Powers of the earth, the separate and equal
station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a
decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should
declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to
secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving
their just powers form the consent of the governed. That whenever any
Form of Government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the Right of
the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,
laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in
such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and
Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long
established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and
accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to
suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by
abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train
of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a
design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is
their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for
their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these
Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter
their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of
Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all
having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over
these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for
the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing
importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should
be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend
to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large
districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of
Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and
formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual,
uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records,
for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with
manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others
to be elected; whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of
Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise;
the State remaining in the meantime exposed to all the dangers of
invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavored to prevent the population of these States; for that
purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing
to pass others to encourage their migration hither, and raising the
conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent
to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their
offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of
Officers to harass our People, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the
Consent of our legislature.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to
Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to
our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to
their acts of pretended legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders
which they should commit on the inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offenses:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighboring
Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging
its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument
for introducing the same absolute rule in these Colonies:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and
altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments.

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested
with Power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection
and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burned our towns, and
destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to
complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun

with circumstances of Cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the
most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to
bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their
friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to
bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages,
whose known rule of warfare, is undistinguished destruction of all ages,
sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in
the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by
repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act
which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free People.

Nor have We been wanting in attention to our Brittish brethren. We have
warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend
an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the
circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to
their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the
ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would
inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. We must,
therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation,
and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace
Friends.


Finally, your definition of heroism obviously is different from mine.

I get my definition of a hero from the dictionary:

A person distinguished by extraordinary valour and martial achievements;
one who does brave or noble deeds; an illustrious warrior, or, a person
who exhibits extraordinary bravery, firmness, fortitude, or greatness
of soul, in any course of action, or in connection with any pursuit,
work, or enterprise; a man admired and venerated for his achievements
and noble qualities.

A fireman who walks into a burning building to rescue those trapped
inside is a hero. A soldier who rescues his buddies or leads an attack
to remove an entrenched enemy or does something else that exhibits
extraordinary valor or bravery is a hero.

Let's try to not minimize the meanings of words, eh?

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:c3dhc2g=.bc4b9f284eb27e8ac818bc876a6cb400@108 1947289.nulluser.com...
Tuuk wrote:

Why is that harry? Then you wont have anything to rub into the faces of
those who progressively want to rid the world of terrorism.
And are these who were kidnapped civilians ?/?? Harry, I will answer for
you. Yes those who were just killed were innocent people working in Iraq
helping to "rebuild" at the expense of the American taxpayers. They
were not
soldiers. So your terrorist buddies there harry just killed many more
innocent people, cold killers, this is who you keep defending. So why
was
someone named Krause in Iraq anyway? And how does the Krause family
react to
this sad news? Do they call him a hero who died in the honor of his
country?
I bet the Krause family is now waving the American Flag, whistling a
different tune now.





"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...
"...the Pentagon identified ... who have been missing in Iraq since
their
convoy was attacked Friday: Sgt. Elmer C. Krause, 40, of Greensboro,
North
Carolina..."

Any relation, Harry?




No, thank goodness. Hope he turns up ok.


You really *are* a bottom feeder, Tuuk. Why would I wish more misery on
the family of a missing soldier? Don't you think they are suffering
enough? Why did you even make that snotty comment of yours? What a piece
of unadulterated **** you are, Tuuk.

A number of "innocent" civilians are dying in Iraq, Tuuk, not just
employees of US contractors engaged in semi-military activities.

And why would you assume that the so-called insurgents in Iraq are *my*
buddies, Tuuk? I don't know any of them.

Even Presidunce Bush expressed some understanding last night of why some
Iraqis are so worked up about our presence in their country. We are
invaders, after all, and we are a foreign presence on their soil. No
matter what our stated motivation for still being there as a military
force, we are still invaders.

You might want to read these words of Thomas Jefferson. They were
written as a "bill of particulars" against the British occupation of the
American colonies. A thinking person might ask himself at what point do
we become the modern-day equivalent of the occupying army.

When, in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people
to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another,
and to assume among the Powers of the earth, the separate and equal
station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a
decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should
declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to
secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving
their just powers form the consent of the governed. That whenever any
Form of Government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the Right of
the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,
laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in
such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and
Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long
established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and
accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to
suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by
abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train
of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a
design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is
their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for
their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these
Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter
their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of
Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all
having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over
these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for
the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing
importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should
be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend
to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large
districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of
Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and
formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual,
uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records,
for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with
manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others
to be elected; whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of
Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise;
the State remaining in the meantime exposed to all the dangers of
invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavored to prevent the population of these States; for that
purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing
to pass others to encourage their migration hither, and raising the
conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent
to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their
offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of
Officers to harass our People, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the
Consent of our legislature.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to
Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to
our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to
their acts of pretended legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders
which they should commit on the inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offenses:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighboring
Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging
its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument
for introducing the same absolute rule in these Colonies:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and
altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments.

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested
with Power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection
and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burned our towns, and
destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to
complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun

with circumstances of Cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the
most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to
bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their
friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to
bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages,
whose known rule of warfare, is undistinguished destruction of all ages,
sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in
the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by
repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act
which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free People.

Nor have We been wanting in attention to our Brittish brethren. We have
warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend
an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the
circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to
their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the
ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would
inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. We must,
therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation,
and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace
Friends.


Finally, your definition of heroism obviously is different from mine.

I get my definition of a hero from the dictionary:

A person distinguished by extraordinary valour and martial achievements;
one who does brave or noble deeds; an illustrious warrior, or, a person
who exhibits extraordinary bravery, firmness, fortitude, or greatness
of soul, in any course of action, or in connection with any pursuit,
work, or enterprise; a man admired and venerated for his achievements
and noble qualities.

A fireman who walks into a burning building to rescue those trapped
inside is a hero. A soldier who rescues his buddies or leads an attack
to remove an entrenched enemy or does something else that exhibits
extraordinary valor or bravery is a hero.

Let's try to not minimize the meanings of words, eh?


Bill wrote

Oh Harry of so little mind. You called Tuuk a bottom feeder, better that a
backdoor feeder or a front door feeder. You never told me which, so I can
address this in the correct manner. Could you please let me know which one
you are? I don't think Harry's family would care if he lives or dies. He
could never be called a Proud American. Just someone living in this country
to get what he can out of it. He just feeds off the backs of the rest of us.
Blaming his entire problem on society. Saying that society owes him
everything. He must have had a bad childhood, so we can't blame him for
anything he writes or thinks.

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Interesting comments there Bill, I just found out that this life time union
member actually unethically and dishonorably sneaked behind the backs of his
brotherhood membership and purchased a substantial product produced
offshore. I wonder if he brought this information up at a regular meeting of
the brotherhood of locals water buffalos.





"Bill" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:c3dhc2g=.bc4b9f284eb27e8ac818bc876a6cb400@108 1947289.nulluser.com...
Tuuk wrote:

Why is that harry? Then you wont have anything to rub into the faces
of
those who progressively want to rid the world of terrorism.
And are these who were kidnapped civilians ?/?? Harry, I will answer
for
you. Yes those who were just killed were innocent people working in
Iraq
helping to "rebuild" at the expense of the American taxpayers. They
were not
soldiers. So your terrorist buddies there harry just killed many more
innocent people, cold killers, this is who you keep defending. So why
was
someone named Krause in Iraq anyway? And how does the Krause family
react to
this sad news? Do they call him a hero who died in the honor of his
country?
I bet the Krause family is now waving the American Flag, whistling a
different tune now.





"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...
"...the Pentagon identified ... who have been missing in Iraq since
their
convoy was attacked Friday: Sgt. Elmer C. Krause, 40, of Greensboro,
North
Carolina..."

Any relation, Harry?




No, thank goodness. Hope he turns up ok.


You really *are* a bottom feeder, Tuuk. Why would I wish more misery on
the family of a missing soldier? Don't you think they are suffering
enough? Why did you even make that snotty comment of yours? What a piece
of unadulterated **** you are, Tuuk.

A number of "innocent" civilians are dying in Iraq, Tuuk, not just
employees of US contractors engaged in semi-military activities.

And why would you assume that the so-called insurgents in Iraq are *my*
buddies, Tuuk? I don't know any of them.

Even Presidunce Bush expressed some understanding last night of why some
Iraqis are so worked up about our presence in their country. We are
invaders, after all, and we are a foreign presence on their soil. No
matter what our stated motivation for still being there as a military
force, we are still invaders.

You might want to read these words of Thomas Jefferson. They were
written as a "bill of particulars" against the British occupation of the
American colonies. A thinking person might ask himself at what point do
we become the modern-day equivalent of the occupying army.

When, in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people
to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another,
and to assume among the Powers of the earth, the separate and equal
station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a
decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should
declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to
secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving
their just powers form the consent of the governed. That whenever any
Form of Government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the Right of
the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,
laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in
such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and
Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long
established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and
accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to
suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by
abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train
of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a
design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is
their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for
their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these
Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter
their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of
Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all
having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over
these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for
the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing
importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should
be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend
to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large
districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of
Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and
formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual,
uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records,
for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his
measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with
manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others
to be elected; whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of
Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise;
the State remaining in the meantime exposed to all the dangers of
invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavored to prevent the population of these States; for that
purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing
to pass others to encourage their migration hither, and raising the
conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent
to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their
offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of
Officers to harass our People, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the
Consent of our legislature.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to
Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to
our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to
their acts of pretended legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders
which they should commit on the inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offenses:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighboring
Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging
its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument
for introducing the same absolute rule in these Colonies:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and
altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments.

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested
with Power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection
and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burned our towns, and
destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to
complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun

with circumstances of Cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the
most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized
nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to
bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their
friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to
bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages,
whose known rule of warfare, is undistinguished destruction of all ages,
sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in
the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by
repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act
which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free People.

Nor have We been wanting in attention to our Brittish brethren. We have
warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend
an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the
circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to
their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the
ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would
inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. We must,
therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation,
and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace
Friends.


Finally, your definition of heroism obviously is different from mine.

I get my definition of a hero from the dictionary:

A person distinguished by extraordinary valour and martial achievements;
one who does brave or noble deeds; an illustrious warrior, or, a person
who exhibits extraordinary bravery, firmness, fortitude, or greatness
of soul, in any course of action, or in connection with any pursuit,
work, or enterprise; a man admired and venerated for his achievements
and noble qualities.

A fireman who walks into a burning building to rescue those trapped
inside is a hero. A soldier who rescues his buddies or leads an attack
to remove an entrenched enemy or does something else that exhibits
extraordinary valor or bravery is a hero.

Let's try to not minimize the meanings of words, eh?


Bill wrote

Oh Harry of so little mind. You called Tuuk a bottom feeder, better that
a
backdoor feeder or a front door feeder. You never told me which, so I can
address this in the correct manner. Could you please let me know which one
you are? I don't think Harry's family would care if he lives or dies. He
could never be called a Proud American. Just someone living in this
country
to get what he can out of it. He just feeds off the backs of the rest of
us.
Blaming his entire problem on society. Saying that society owes him
everything. He must have had a bad childhood, so we can't blame him for
anything he writes or thinks.

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" Tuuk" wrote in message ...
Interesting comments there Bill, I just found out that this life time union
member actually unethically and dishonorably sneaked behind the backs of his
brotherhood membership and purchased a substantial product produced
offshore. I wonder if he brought this information up at a regular meeting of
the brotherhood of locals water buffalos.

What union does Harry belong to, Tuuk? Please give references to back
up your allegations.

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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
" Tuuk" wrote in message
...
Interesting comments there Bill, I just found out that this life time
union
member actually unethically and dishonorably sneaked behind the backs of
his
brotherhood membership and purchased a substantial product produced
offshore. I wonder if he brought this information up at a regular
meeting of
the brotherhood of locals water buffalos.

What union does Harry belong to, Tuuk? Please give references to back
up your allegations.

Do the google search yourself. He has told the NG several times of the
unions he belongs to.

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"jim--" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
" Tuuk" wrote in message
...
Interesting comments there Bill, I just found out that this life time
union
member actually unethically and dishonorably sneaked behind the backs of
his
brotherhood membership and purchased a substantial product produced
offshore. I wonder if he brought this information up at a regular
meeting of
the brotherhood of locals water buffalos.

What union does Harry belong to, Tuuk? Please give references to back
up your allegations.

Do the google search yourself. He has told the NG several times of the
unions he belongs to.

I DO know that he is affiliated with unions, but I didn't know that
there was a union for free-lance writers. Please provide some facts.

Possible Concern
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"jim--" wrote in message
...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
" Tuuk" wrote in message
...
Interesting comments there Bill, I just found out that this life
time
union
member actually unethically and dishonorably sneaked behind the
backs of
his
brotherhood membership and purchased a substantial product produced
offshore. I wonder if he brought this information up at a regular
meeting of
the brotherhood of locals water buffalos.

What union does Harry belong to, Tuuk? Please give references to back
up your allegations.

Do the google search yourself. He has told the NG several times of the
unions he belongs to.

I DO know that he is affiliated with unions, but I didn't know that
there was a union for free-lance writers. Please provide some facts.

I could care less what unions the ass belongs to and I certainly will not
waste any time looking it up.