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Funny. But it's just another example of how the Dems have a hard time with
distinguishing lies from the truth. Fox News, eh? Probably from The Onion, Moveon.org, the NY Times, or any of the other farcical news outlets from the left. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Rice, Administration: Bin Laden Telephoned Us on 10 September, We Didn't Listen Fox News 10 Apr 2004 17:12 GMT Phone Call from Terrorist Leader Warning of Next Day's Attacks "Just Seemed Like More Background Chatter," and "Not Actionable Information" Rice, Administration: Bin Laden Telephoned Us on 10 September, We Didn't Listen Phone Call from Terrorist Leader Warning of Next Day's Attacks "Just Seemed Like More Background Chatter," and "Not Actionable Information" National Security Adviser Condaleeza Rice and other Bush administration officials downplayed the significance of a telephone call received the afternoon of September 10th, 2001, from Osama bin Laden. In the telephone call to Rice's office, Osama bin Laden reportedly advised the Bush administration that the next day, September 11th, in the morning, he was intending to have commercial airliners ("we want a couple of 767s") hijacked and flown into the World Trade Center ("you know, big big ones in New York"), the Pentagon ("your big military headquarters"), the White House ("where Mr. Bush live"), and the US Congress ("that one with big dome, kind of mosque-looking"). The events would take place the next morning sometime around 7:30 or 8:00 am, "depending on how well our guys do schedule." Bin Laden, reports say, then faxed to Rice's office hand-drawn illustrations of airliners crashing into large buildings and maps of the airport terminals where the hijackers would be departing. In addition a bicycle messenger delivered a decorated cake to the NSC offices which showed a crudely drawn, frosting-based map of the USA with starry explosion markers in New York and Washington. Rice, however, has dismissed reports of these contacts. The information received was "indistinct" and not "definite indicators" of any actual threat. Administration officials also reported "great frustration" that such "armchair quarterbacking" was being performed so long after the fact. "Ancient history," said another, adding that "it's not like bin Laden e-mailed us a 3-D computer simulation of their hijackers cutting the pilots throats, which they easily could have done, given todays PC power." FNP reports indicated that, in fact, bin Laden did e-mail NSC offices a 3D simulation of the September 11th attacks, complete with an English-language translation and an accompanying PowerPoint slide presentation illustrating the timeline of the planned hijackings. Officials on hearing the correction expressed surprise and were impressed at the quality of the PowerPoint presentation and vowed to learn from bin Laden's skilled use of fonts and color schemes. Rice reiterated, however, that she would have "moved heaven and earth" to have acted on September 11th, 2001, to protect the USA, had only there have been some way to foresee what was about to have taken place. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Rice, Administration: Bin Laden Telephoned Us on 10 September, We Didn't Listen Fox News 10 Apr 2004 17:12 GMT Phone Call from Terrorist Leader Warning of Next Day's Attacks "Just Seemed Like More Background Chatter," and "Not Actionable Information" Rice, Administration: Bin Laden Telephoned Us on 10 September, We Didn't Listen Phone Call from Terrorist Leader Warning of Next Day's Attacks "Just Seemed Like More Background Chatter," and "Not Actionable Information" National Security Adviser Condaleeza Rice and other Bush administration officials downplayed the significance of a telephone call received the afternoon of September 10th, 2001, from Osama bin Laden. In the telephone call to Rice's office, Osama bin Laden reportedly advised the Bush administration that the next day, September 11th, in the morning, he was intending to have commercial airliners ("we want a couple of 767s") hijacked and flown into the World Trade Center ("you know, big big ones in New York"), the Pentagon ("your big military headquarters"), the White House ("where Mr. Bush live"), and the US Congress ("that one with big dome, kind of mosque-looking"). The events would take place the next morning sometime around 7:30 or 8:00 am, "depending on how well our guys do schedule." Bin Laden, reports say, then faxed to Rice's office hand-drawn illustrations of airliners crashing into large buildings and maps of the airport terminals where the hijackers would be departing. In addition a bicycle messenger delivered a decorated cake to the NSC offices which showed a crudely drawn, frosting-based map of the USA with starry explosion markers in New York and Washington. Rice, however, has dismissed reports of these contacts. The information received was "indistinct" and not "definite indicators" of any actual threat. Administration officials also reported "great frustration" that such "armchair quarterbacking" was being performed so long after the fact. "Ancient history," said another, adding that "it's not like bin Laden e-mailed us a 3-D computer simulation of their hijackers cutting the pilots throats, which they easily could have done, given todays PC power." FNP reports indicated that, in fact, bin Laden did e-mail NSC offices a 3D simulation of the September 11th attacks, complete with an English-language translation and an accompanying PowerPoint slide presentation illustrating the timeline of the planned hijackings. Officials on hearing the correction expressed surprise and were impressed at the quality of the PowerPoint presentation and vowed to learn from bin Laden's skilled use of fonts and color schemes. Rice reiterated, however, that she would have "moved heaven and earth" to have acted on September 11th, 2001, to protect the USA, had only there have been some way to foresee what was about to have taken place. MORE BS. Dang you and your brother Comical Ali. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message news:zc2ec.9321 Funny. But it's just another example of how the Dems have a hard time with distinguishing lies from the truth. Oh, they can distinguish alright -- its just typical Dem strategy. They just make this s*$t up as they go along. Been going on for years, usually with "...they'll starve your kids at school...", or "... they'll throw all the elderly out in the street...". They repeat the message endlessly, usually with ads done by some union mouthpiece like the NEA or something, and pretty soon all those folks on the left side of the bell curve just sorta believe it. Gotta give those Dems credit, I guess. They know their support demographic. "Get all the fools on your side and you can be elected to anything." |
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"John Gaquin" wrote in message
... "Get all the fools on your side and you can be elected to anything." You are absolutely correct, John. "Those of us who spent time in the agricultural sector and in the heartland, we understand how unfair the death penalty is." George Bush, Omaha, Neb., Feb. 28, 2001 |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message "Get all the fools on your side and you can be elected to anything." You are absolutely correct, John. Well, I knew as I wrote that that someone with a brain would be able to turn it around. That's half the fun of debate. :-) Here's the rub, though. Common sense would indicate that the republic would benefit by increasing the general education and awareness level of the populace as a whole. But the demographic fact remains that the Democrat Party actually benefits by *increasing* the number of ignorant, indigent, and irresponsible voters. Obviously, these two points represent divergent graph lines, if you will. The question is, which graph line will the country follow? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ....The majority of ignorant, irresponsible votes are on your side of the aisle. Read that in "The Bulletin", Harry? |
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"John Gaquin" wrote in message
... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message "Get all the fools on your side and you can be elected to anything." You are absolutely correct, John. Well, I knew as I wrote that that someone with a brain would be able to turn it around. That's half the fun of debate. :-) Here's the rub, though. Common sense would indicate that the republic would benefit by increasing the general education and awareness level of the populace as a whole. But the demographic fact remains that the Democrat Party actually benefits by *increasing* the number of ignorant, indigent, and irresponsible voters. Obviously, these two points represent divergent graph lines, if you will. The question is, which graph line will the country follow? OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other tricks) implies that farmers have special knowledge about death penalty issues. This is clearly an insult to the audience to which he uttered the line I provided for you. After being insulted in that same fashion, "the people" elect the putz. Now, you somehow think this is an issue involving Democrats? :-) |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other tricks) OK, you've completely lost me on this one. I'm looking up the spelling of "tangential". I don't recall ever seeing that quote, I have no idea of the context -- which is crucial with a GW quote, as you're well aware -- and I can't see any way that it is relevant to my comments. maybe it's the Easter ham. |
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"John Gaquin" wrote in message
... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other tricks) OK, you've completely lost me on this one. I'm looking up the spelling of "tangential". I don't recall ever seeing that quote, I have no idea of the context -- which is crucial with a GW quote, as you're well aware -- and I can't see any way that it is relevant to my comments. maybe it's the Easter ham. I don't celebrate Easter, so no ham today. I had fresh trout for dinner, baked with a sprinkling of fresh wild garlic from alongside the stream where I caught the fish. If my mother was right, all that fish makes me a genius for another day. Here's the quote you say you never saw. I provided it for you 3 messages back: "Those of us who spent time in the agricultural sector and in the heartland, we understand how unfair the death penalty is." George Bush, Omaha, Neb., Feb. 28, 2001 I can appreciate how context may affect the meaning of words. So, enlighten me. Provide a LIKELY context in which this statement would NOT sound like GWB was pandering to the audience in front of him at the moment. |
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Harry, you go too far sometimes. The right wing guys now have this
lousy post of yours to prove "The left" is "full of liars". Let them do the lying, they are the best at it. Harry Krause wrote: Rice, Administration: Bin Laden Telephoned Us on 10 September, We Didn't Listen Fox News 10 Apr 2004 17:12 GMT Phone Call from Terrorist Leader Warning of Next Day's Attacks "Just Seemed Like More Background Chatter," and "Not Actionable Information" Rice, Administration: Bin Laden Telephoned Us on 10 September, We Didn't Listen Phone Call from Terrorist Leader Warning of Next Day's Attacks "Just Seemed Like More Background Chatter," and "Not Actionable Information" National Security Adviser Condaleeza Rice and other Bush administration officials downplayed the significance of a telephone call received the afternoon of September 10th, 2001, from Osama bin Laden. In the telephone call to Rice's office, Osama bin Laden reportedly advised the Bush administration that the next day, September 11th, in the morning, he was intending to have commercial airliners ("we want a couple of 767s") hijacked and flown into the World Trade Center ("you know, big big ones in New York"), the Pentagon ("your big military headquarters"), the White House ("where Mr. Bush live"), and the US Congress ("that one with big dome, kind of mosque-looking"). The events would take place the next morning sometime around 7:30 or 8:00 am, "depending on how well our guys do schedule." Bin Laden, reports say, then faxed to Rice's office hand-drawn illustrations of airliners crashing into large buildings and maps of the airport terminals where the hijackers would be departing. In addition a bicycle messenger delivered a decorated cake to the NSC offices which showed a crudely drawn, frosting-based map of the USA with starry explosion markers in New York and Washington. Rice, however, has dismissed reports of these contacts. The information received was "indistinct" and not "definite indicators" of any actual threat. Administration officials also reported "great frustration" that such "armchair quarterbacking" was being performed so long after the fact. "Ancient history," said another, adding that "it's not like bin Laden e-mailed us a 3-D computer simulation of their hijackers cutting the pilots throats, which they easily could have done, given todays PC power." FNP reports indicated that, in fact, bin Laden did e-mail NSC offices a 3D simulation of the September 11th attacks, complete with an English-language translation and an accompanying PowerPoint slide presentation illustrating the timeline of the planned hijackings. Officials on hearing the correction expressed surprise and were impressed at the quality of the PowerPoint presentation and vowed to learn from bin Laden's skilled use of fonts and color schemes. Rice reiterated, however, that she would have "moved heaven and earth" to have acted on September 11th, 2001, to protect the USA, had only there have been some way to foresee what was about to have taken place. |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John Gaquin" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other tricks) OK, you've completely lost me on this one. I'm looking up the spelling of "tangential". I don't recall ever seeing that quote, I have no idea of the context -- which is crucial with a GW quote, as you're well aware -- and I can't see any way that it is relevant to my comments. maybe it's the Easter ham. I don't celebrate Easter, so no ham today. I had fresh trout for dinner, baked with a sprinkling of fresh wild garlic from alongside the stream where I caught the fish. If my mother was right, all that fish makes me a genius for another day. Here's the quote you say you never saw. I provided it for you 3 messages back: "Those of us who spent time in the agricultural sector and in the heartland, we understand how unfair the death penalty is." George Bush, Omaha, Neb., Feb. 28, 2001 I can appreciate how context may affect the meaning of words. So, enlighten me. Provide a LIKELY context in which this statement would NOT sound like GWB was pandering to the audience in front of him at the moment. OK Doug. In typical liberal fashion, a portion of that quote was removed to fool liberals into believing Bush was pandering to an audience. Here's the original quote: "And those of us who have spent some time in the agricultural sector and in the heartland, understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death tax is, and we need to get rid of it. " He misspoke...and then corrected himself. The quote was about the "death tax"...not the "death penalty". Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0010228-4.html Feel stupid now that you were duped so easily by the liars on the Democratic websites? |
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"NOYB" wrote in message m... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John Gaquin" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other tricks) OK, you've completely lost me on this one. I'm looking up the spelling of "tangential". I don't recall ever seeing that quote, I have no idea of the context -- which is crucial with a GW quote, as you're well aware -- and I can't see any way that it is relevant to my comments. maybe it's the Easter ham. I don't celebrate Easter, so no ham today. I had fresh trout for dinner, baked with a sprinkling of fresh wild garlic from alongside the stream where I caught the fish. If my mother was right, all that fish makes me a genius for another day. Here's the quote you say you never saw. I provided it for you 3 messages back: "Those of us who spent time in the agricultural sector and in the heartland, we understand how unfair the death penalty is." George Bush, Omaha, Neb., Feb. 28, 2001 I can appreciate how context may affect the meaning of words. So, enlighten me. Provide a LIKELY context in which this statement would NOT sound like GWB was pandering to the audience in front of him at the moment. OK Doug. In typical liberal fashion, a portion of that quote was removed to fool liberals into believing Bush was pandering to an audience. Here's the original quote: "And those of us who have spent some time in the agricultural sector and in the heartland, understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death tax is, and we need to get rid of it. " He misspoke...and then corrected himself. The quote was about the "death tax"...not the "death penalty". Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0010228-4.html Feel stupid now that you were duped so easily by the liars on the Democratic websites? Bush immediately followed up the quote with this statement: "I don't want to get rid of the death penalty -- (laughter) -- just the death tax. (Applause.) " |
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Doug,
Click on the "Listen to the President's Remarks" link. Fast forward to about the 15:45 mark of the speech (which is a little over 21 minutes long) and listen for yourself. Aren't you ashamed to align yourself with a party which would would purposely lie about and distort a person's words in order to deceive the citizens of this country? Which partisan website was the source of your misquote? |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message Here's the quote you say you never saw. I provided it for you 3 messages back: No, no, Doug, you missed my point. I meant I had never seen the quote *before*, in proper context. I did, of course, see it in your post, but couldn't -- and still can't -- figure how that quote would relate to my earlier comments. Of course, it's all moot, now that Noyb has provided the full, accurate quote in context. |
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Thanks for the source, Doc. |
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"John Gaquin" wrote in message ... Thanks for the source, Doc. Want a simple way to fight liberal propaganda? Just point them to the truth. |
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John Gaquin wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other tricks) OK, you've completely lost me on this one. I'm looking up the spelling of "tangential". I don't recall ever seeing that quote, I have no idea of the context -- which is crucial with a GW quote, as you're well aware -- and I can't see any way that it is relevant to my comments. maybe it's the Easter ham. Context? Dubya? What's the point...he's lost in space. |
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NOYB wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John Gaquin" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other tricks) OK, you've completely lost me on this one. I'm looking up the spelling of "tangential". I don't recall ever seeing that quote, I have no idea of the context -- which is crucial with a GW quote, as you're well aware -- and I can't see any way that it is relevant to my comments. maybe it's the Easter ham. I don't celebrate Easter, so no ham today. I had fresh trout for dinner, baked with a sprinkling of fresh wild garlic from alongside the stream where I caught the fish. If my mother was right, all that fish makes me a genius for another day. Here's the quote you say you never saw. I provided it for you 3 messages back: "Those of us who spent time in the agricultural sector and in the heartland, we understand how unfair the death penalty is." George Bush, Omaha, Neb., Feb. 28, 2001 I can appreciate how context may affect the meaning of words. So, enlighten me. Provide a LIKELY context in which this statement would NOT sound like GWB was pandering to the audience in front of him at the moment. OK Doug. In typical liberal fashion, a portion of that quote was removed to fool liberals into believing Bush was pandering to an audience. Here's the original quote: "And those of us who have spent some time in the agricultural sector and in the heartland, understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death tax is, and we need to get rid of it. " He misspoke...and then corrected himself. The quote was about the "death tax"...not the "death penalty". Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0010228-4.html Feel stupid now that you were duped so easily by the liars on the Democratic websites? Uh-huh...making excuses for the Presidunce again, eh? |
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"NOYB" wrote in message
m... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John Gaquin" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other tricks) OK, you've completely lost me on this one. I'm looking up the spelling of "tangential". I don't recall ever seeing that quote, I have no idea of the context -- which is crucial with a GW quote, as you're well aware -- and I can't see any way that it is relevant to my comments. maybe it's the Easter ham. I don't celebrate Easter, so no ham today. I had fresh trout for dinner, baked with a sprinkling of fresh wild garlic from alongside the stream where I caught the fish. If my mother was right, all that fish makes me a genius for another day. Here's the quote you say you never saw. I provided it for you 3 messages back: "Those of us who spent time in the agricultural sector and in the heartland, we understand how unfair the death penalty is." George Bush, Omaha, Neb., Feb. 28, 2001 I can appreciate how context may affect the meaning of words. So, enlighten me. Provide a LIKELY context in which this statement would NOT sound like GWB was pandering to the audience in front of him at the moment. OK Doug. In typical liberal fashion, a portion of that quote was removed to fool liberals into believing Bush was pandering to an audience. Here's the original quote: "And those of us who have spent some time in the agricultural sector and in the heartland, understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death tax is, and we need to get rid of it. " He misspoke...and then corrected himself. The quote was about the "death tax"...not the "death penalty". Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0010228-4.html Feel stupid now that you were duped so easily by the liars on the Democratic websites? OK. Let's try this hypothetical version: "And those of us who have spent some time in the automotice manufacturing sector, understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death tax is, and we need to get rid of it. " Or this: "And those of us who have spent some time in the commercial fishing sector, understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death tax is, and we need to get rid of it. " Pandering. |
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:08:19 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message om... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John Gaquin" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other tricks) OK, you've completely lost me on this one. I'm looking up the spelling of "tangential". I don't recall ever seeing that quote, I have no idea of the context -- which is crucial with a GW quote, as you're well aware -- and I can't see any way that it is relevant to my comments. maybe it's the Easter ham. I don't celebrate Easter, so no ham today. I had fresh trout for dinner, baked with a sprinkling of fresh wild garlic from alongside the stream where I caught the fish. If my mother was right, all that fish makes me a genius for another day. Here's the quote you say you never saw. I provided it for you 3 messages back: "Those of us who spent time in the agricultural sector and in the heartland, we understand how unfair the death penalty is." George Bush, Omaha, Neb., Feb. 28, 2001 I can appreciate how context may affect the meaning of words. So, enlighten me. Provide a LIKELY context in which this statement would NOT sound like GWB was pandering to the audience in front of him at the moment. OK Doug. In typical liberal fashion, a portion of that quote was removed to fool liberals into believing Bush was pandering to an audience. Here's the original quote: "And those of us who have spent some time in the agricultural sector and in the heartland, understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death tax is, and we need to get rid of it. " He misspoke...and then corrected himself. The quote was about the "death tax"...not the "death penalty". Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0010228-4.html Feel stupid now that you were duped so easily by the liars on the Democratic websites? OK. Let's try this hypothetical version: "And those of us who have spent some time in the automotice manufacturing sector, understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death tax is, and we need to get rid of it. " Or this: "And those of us who have spent some time in the commercial fishing sector, understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death tax is, and we need to get rid of it. " Pandering. Could the death tax on a farm be a bit more than that on a Ford? I think so. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John Gaquin" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other tricks) OK, you've completely lost me on this one. I'm looking up the spelling of "tangential". I don't recall ever seeing that quote, I have no idea of the context -- which is crucial with a GW quote, as you're well aware -- and I can't see any way that it is relevant to my comments. maybe it's the Easter ham. I don't celebrate Easter, so no ham today. I had fresh trout for dinner, baked with a sprinkling of fresh wild garlic from alongside the stream where I caught the fish. If my mother was right, all that fish makes me a genius for another day. Here's the quote you say you never saw. I provided it for you 3 messages back: "Those of us who spent time in the agricultural sector and in the heartland, we understand how unfair the death penalty is." George Bush, Omaha, Neb., Feb. 28, 2001 I can appreciate how context may affect the meaning of words. So, enlighten me. Provide a LIKELY context in which this statement would NOT sound like GWB was pandering to the audience in front of him at the moment. OK Doug. In typical liberal fashion, a portion of that quote was removed to fool liberals into believing Bush was pandering to an audience. Here's the original quote: "And those of us who have spent some time in the agricultural sector and in the heartland, understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death tax is, and we need to get rid of it. " He misspoke...and then corrected himself. The quote was about the "death tax"...not the "death penalty". Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0010228-4.html Feel stupid now that you were duped so easily by the liars on the Democratic websites? Uh-huh...making excuses for the Presidunce again, eh? They're not excuses when they're the truth. |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message m... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John Gaquin" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other tricks) OK, you've completely lost me on this one. I'm looking up the spelling of "tangential". I don't recall ever seeing that quote, I have no idea of the context -- which is crucial with a GW quote, as you're well aware -- and I can't see any way that it is relevant to my comments. maybe it's the Easter ham. I don't celebrate Easter, so no ham today. I had fresh trout for dinner, baked with a sprinkling of fresh wild garlic from alongside the stream where I caught the fish. If my mother was right, all that fish makes me a genius for another day. Here's the quote you say you never saw. I provided it for you 3 messages back: "Those of us who spent time in the agricultural sector and in the heartland, we understand how unfair the death penalty is." George Bush, Omaha, Neb., Feb. 28, 2001 I can appreciate how context may affect the meaning of words. So, enlighten me. Provide a LIKELY context in which this statement would NOT sound like GWB was pandering to the audience in front of him at the moment. OK Doug. In typical liberal fashion, a portion of that quote was removed to fool liberals into believing Bush was pandering to an audience. Here's the original quote: "And those of us who have spent some time in the agricultural sector and in the heartland, understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death tax is, and we need to get rid of it. " He misspoke...and then corrected himself. The quote was about the "death tax"...not the "death penalty". Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0010228-4.html Feel stupid now that you were duped so easily by the liars on the Democratic websites? OK. Let's try this hypothetical version: "And those of us who have spent some time in the automotice manufacturing sector, understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death tax is, and we need to get rid of it. " Or this: "And those of us who have spent some time in the commercial fishing sector, understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death tax is, and we need to get rid of it. " Pandering. Here's what you said about the quote (when you thought he was talking about the death penalty): "OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other tricks) implies that farmers have special knowledge about death penalty issues." Now that you've been given the evidence that your source purposely distorted the quote, do you still feel that farmers don't have special knowledge about the "death tax" issue? Pandering means catering to the lowest tastes or desires of others in order to exploit their weaknesses. I doubt anybody who's a farmer considers the abolition of the "death tax" as their "lowest desire". Why don't you just dmit it. You bought into a lie posted on a liberal website, and got burned. |
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Honestly, Jim, harry lies so much that we can't tell the difference between
the honest stories and the lies...so we just assume it's all lies. This time, he tried a rope-a-dope by citing Fox News as the source. "Jim" wrote in message ink.net... Harry, you go too far sometimes. The right wing guys now have this lousy post of yours to prove "The left" is "full of liars". Let them do the lying, they are the best at it. Harry Krause wrote: Rice, Administration: Bin Laden Telephoned Us on 10 September, We Didn't Listen Fox News 10 Apr 2004 17:12 GMT Phone Call from Terrorist Leader Warning of Next Day's Attacks "Just Seemed Like More Background Chatter," and "Not Actionable Information" Rice, Administration: Bin Laden Telephoned Us on 10 September, We Didn't Listen Phone Call from Terrorist Leader Warning of Next Day's Attacks "Just Seemed Like More Background Chatter," and "Not Actionable Information" National Security Adviser Condaleeza Rice and other Bush administration officials downplayed the significance of a telephone call received the afternoon of September 10th, 2001, from Osama bin Laden. In the telephone call to Rice's office, Osama bin Laden reportedly advised the Bush administration that the next day, September 11th, in the morning, he was intending to have commercial airliners ("we want a couple of 767s") hijacked and flown into the World Trade Center ("you know, big big ones in New York"), the Pentagon ("your big military headquarters"), the White House ("where Mr. Bush live"), and the US Congress ("that one with big dome, kind of mosque-looking"). The events would take place the next morning sometime around 7:30 or 8:00 am, "depending on how well our guys do schedule." Bin Laden, reports say, then faxed to Rice's office hand-drawn illustrations of airliners crashing into large buildings and maps of the airport terminals where the hijackers would be departing. In addition a bicycle messenger delivered a decorated cake to the NSC offices which showed a crudely drawn, frosting-based map of the USA with starry explosion markers in New York and Washington. Rice, however, has dismissed reports of these contacts. The information received was "indistinct" and not "definite indicators" of any actual threat. Administration officials also reported "great frustration" that such "armchair quarterbacking" was being performed so long after the fact. "Ancient history," said another, adding that "it's not like bin Laden e-mailed us a 3-D computer simulation of their hijackers cutting the pilots throats, which they easily could have done, given todays PC power." FNP reports indicated that, in fact, bin Laden did e-mail NSC offices a 3D simulation of the September 11th attacks, complete with an English-language translation and an accompanying PowerPoint slide presentation illustrating the timeline of the planned hijackings. Officials on hearing the correction expressed surprise and were impressed at the quality of the PowerPoint presentation and vowed to learn from bin Laden's skilled use of fonts and color schemes. Rice reiterated, however, that she would have "moved heaven and earth" to have acted on September 11th, 2001, to protect the USA, had only there have been some way to foresee what was about to have taken place. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message m... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John Gaquin" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other tricks) OK, you've completely lost me on this one. I'm looking up the spelling of "tangential". I don't recall ever seeing that quote, I have no idea of the context -- which is crucial with a GW quote, as you're well aware -- and I can't see any way that it is relevant to my comments. maybe it's the Easter ham. I don't celebrate Easter, so no ham today. I had fresh trout for dinner, baked with a sprinkling of fresh wild garlic from alongside the stream where I caught the fish. If my mother was right, all that fish makes me a genius for another day. Here's the quote you say you never saw. I provided it for you 3 messages back: "Those of us who spent time in the agricultural sector and in the heartland, we understand how unfair the death penalty is." George Bush, Omaha, Neb., Feb. 28, 2001 I can appreciate how context may affect the meaning of words. So, enlighten me. Provide a LIKELY context in which this statement would NOT sound like GWB was pandering to the audience in front of him at the moment. OK Doug. In typical liberal fashion, a portion of that quote was removed to fool liberals into believing Bush was pandering to an audience. Here's the original quote: "And those of us who have spent some time in the agricultural sector and in the heartland, understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death tax is, and we need to get rid of it. " He misspoke...and then corrected himself. The quote was about the "death tax"...not the "death penalty". Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0010228-4.html Feel stupid now that you were duped so easily by the liars on the Democratic websites? OK. Let's try this hypothetical version: "And those of us who have spent some time in the automotice manufacturing sector, understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death tax is, and we need to get rid of it. " Or this: "And those of us who have spent some time in the commercial fishing sector, understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death tax is, and we need to get rid of it. " Pandering. Here's what you said about the quote (when you thought he was talking about the death penalty): "OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other tricks) implies that farmers have special knowledge about death penalty issues." Now that you've been given the evidence that your source purposely distorted the quote, do you still feel that farmers don't have special knowledge about the "death tax" issue? Pandering means catering to the lowest tastes or desires of others in order to exploit their weaknesses. I doubt anybody who's a farmer considers the abolition of the "death tax" as their "lowest desire". Why don't you just dmit it. You bought into a lie posted on a liberal website, and got burned. |
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ink.net... Pandering. Here's what you said about the quote (when you thought he was talking about the death penalty): "OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other tricks) implies that farmers have special knowledge about death penalty issues." Now that you've been given the evidence that your source purposely distorted the quote, do you still feel that farmers don't have special knowledge about the "death tax" issue? Pandering means catering to the lowest tastes or desires of others in order to exploit their weaknesses. I doubt anybody who's a farmer considers the abolition of the "death tax" as their "lowest desire". Why don't you just dmit it. You bought into a lie posted on a liberal website, and got burned. The key word is "us", NOYB. He included himself in a group in which he is not a member. He implied that he "spent time in the heartland", sharing the experiences of his audience. It would not matter if it were farmers, automobile workers or commercial fishermen. He owns a ranch which is nothing but a suburban home with extra land. To suggest that he shares ANYTHING with an audience is pure hypocrisy. |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... Pandering. Here's what you said about the quote (when you thought he was talking about the death penalty): "OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other tricks) implies that farmers have special knowledge about death penalty issues." Now that you've been given the evidence that your source purposely distorted the quote, do you still feel that farmers don't have special knowledge about the "death tax" issue? Pandering means catering to the lowest tastes or desires of others in order to exploit their weaknesses. I doubt anybody who's a farmer considers the abolition of the "death tax" as their "lowest desire". Why don't you just dmit it. You bought into a lie posted on a liberal website, and got burned. The key word is "us", NOYB. He included himself in a group in which he is not a member. He implied that he "spent time in the heartland", He *does* have a place in the heartland, Doug. sharing the experiences of his audience. It would not matter if it were farmers, automobile workers or commercial fishermen. ....or sons of ex-Presidents. If your parents have any substantial wealth, land, possessions, etc., the death tax sucks. |
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John Gaquin wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message "Get all the fools on your side and you can be elected to anything." You are absolutely correct, John. Well, I knew as I wrote that that someone with a brain would be able to turn it around. That's half the fun of debate. :-) Here's the rub, though. Common sense would indicate that the republic would benefit by increasing the general education and awareness level of the populace as a whole. But the demographic fact remains that the Democrat Party actually benefits by *increasing* the number of ignorant, indigent, and irresponsible voters. What a giggle. The majority of ignorant, irresponsible votes are on your side of the aisle. |
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:08:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... Pandering. Here's what you said about the quote (when you thought he was talking about the death penalty): "OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other tricks) implies that farmers have special knowledge about death penalty issues." Now that you've been given the evidence that your source purposely distorted the quote, do you still feel that farmers don't have special knowledge about the "death tax" issue? Pandering means catering to the lowest tastes or desires of others in order to exploit their weaknesses. I doubt anybody who's a farmer considers the abolition of the "death tax" as their "lowest desire". Why don't you just dmit it. You bought into a lie posted on a liberal website, and got burned. The key word is "us", NOYB. He included himself in a group in which he is not a member. He implied that he "spent time in the heartland", sharing the experiences of his audience. It would not matter if it were farmers, automobile workers or commercial fishermen. He owns a ranch which is nothing but a suburban home with extra land. To suggest that he shares ANYTHING with an audience is pure hypocrisy. You don't see a relationship between a ranch, a farm, and death taxes? Like, large pieces of land, worth lots of money, for which a percent must be paid in taxes upon the owner's death. The taxes must be paid up front. For many folks the money isn't there, unless the property is sold. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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"John H" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:08:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... Pandering. Here's what you said about the quote (when you thought he was talking about the death penalty): "OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other tricks) implies that farmers have special knowledge about death penalty issues." Now that you've been given the evidence that your source purposely distorted the quote, do you still feel that farmers don't have special knowledge about the "death tax" issue? Pandering means catering to the lowest tastes or desires of others in order to exploit their weaknesses. I doubt anybody who's a farmer considers the abolition of the "death tax" as their "lowest desire". Why don't you just dmit it. You bought into a lie posted on a liberal website, and got burned. The key word is "us", NOYB. He included himself in a group in which he is not a member. He implied that he "spent time in the heartland", sharing the experiences of his audience. It would not matter if it were farmers, automobile workers or commercial fishermen. He owns a ranch which is nothing but a suburban home with extra land. To suggest that he shares ANYTHING with an audience is pure hypocrisy. You don't see a relationship between a ranch, a farm, and death taxes? Like, large pieces of land, worth lots of money, for which a percent must be paid in taxes upon the owner's death. The taxes must be paid up front. For many folks the money isn't there, unless the property is sold. Of course there's a relationship. But, there is NO connection between GWB's life experiences, and those of a farmer. The "I know exactly how you feel" thing can only be taken so far before it becomes an obvious ploy. |
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:38:17 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:08:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... Pandering. Here's what you said about the quote (when you thought he was talking about the death penalty): "OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other tricks) implies that farmers have special knowledge about death penalty issues." Now that you've been given the evidence that your source purposely distorted the quote, do you still feel that farmers don't have special knowledge about the "death tax" issue? Pandering means catering to the lowest tastes or desires of others in order to exploit their weaknesses. I doubt anybody who's a farmer considers the abolition of the "death tax" as their "lowest desire". Why don't you just dmit it. You bought into a lie posted on a liberal website, and got burned. The key word is "us", NOYB. He included himself in a group in which he is not a member. He implied that he "spent time in the heartland", sharing the experiences of his audience. It would not matter if it were farmers, automobile workers or commercial fishermen. He owns a ranch which is nothing but a suburban home with extra land. To suggest that he shares ANYTHING with an audience is pure hypocrisy. You don't see a relationship between a ranch, a farm, and death taxes? Like, large pieces of land, worth lots of money, for which a percent must be paid in taxes upon the owner's death. The taxes must be paid up front. For many folks the money isn't there, unless the property is sold. Of course there's a relationship. But, there is NO connection between GWB's life experiences, and those of a farmer. The "I know exactly how you feel" thing can only be taken so far before it becomes an obvious ploy. Well, would there be a connection between owning a 2000 acre cattle ranch and a 2000 acre wheat farm? Would there be a connection if both owners wanted someday to pass the acreage to the kids? John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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"John H" wrote in message
... Of course there's a relationship. But, there is NO connection between GWB's life experiences, and those of a farmer. The "I know exactly how you feel" thing can only be taken so far before it becomes an obvious ploy. Well, would there be a connection between owning a 2000 acre cattle ranch and a 2000 acre wheat farm? Would there be a connection if both owners wanted someday to pass the acreage to the kids? John H Uh oh. You've gone into "politician is a deity" mode. Also named (in memorium) "Dave Hall Syndrome". |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... The "I know exactly how you feel" thing can only be taken so far before it becomes an obvious ploy. LOL. If that little centence from Bush has you in such a tizzy, then blood vessels must have been burstin' in your head when Clinton uttered "I feeeel yaw pain". Right? |
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:35:15 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . Of course there's a relationship. But, there is NO connection between GWB's life experiences, and those of a farmer. The "I know exactly how you feel" thing can only be taken so far before it becomes an obvious ploy. Well, would there be a connection between owning a 2000 acre cattle ranch and a 2000 acre wheat farm? Would there be a connection if both owners wanted someday to pass the acreage to the kids? John H Uh oh. You've gone into "politician is a deity" mode. Also named (in memorium) "Dave Hall Syndrome". No, I'm just not in a "hate Bush" mode. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... The "I know exactly how you feel" thing can only be taken so far before it becomes an obvious ploy. LOL. If that little centence from Bush has you in such a tizzy, then blood vessels must have been burstin' in your head when Clinton uttered "I feeeel yaw pain". Right? Absolutely! |
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"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... The "I know exactly how you feel" thing can only be taken so far before it becomes an obvious ploy. LOL. If that little centence ....sentence... |
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