On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 12:05:37 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 01:03:01 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:

Every v-bottom boat up to 25' that I've ever been on lists to the side
that
people are standing on. That's what trim tabs are designed to correct.


"RiverMan" wrote in message
groups.com...
I bought in early April a new aluminum boat, 19' Raider with a 140
Suzuki 4-stroke on it, everything is new.

Interesting. The boat is rated for 130 hp according to the web site -
which, by the way, sucks.

It's rated for 130 lbs of what? Total cargo including passengers???

I just wrote and deleted some spectacular one-liners in response and
after some thought, decided to let your comment stand. :)

Later,

Tom

On 7 Jun 2005 06:49:01 -0700, "RiverMan"
wrote:

Tom and others,

Yes I should have tested it first. I didn't because the motors they had
on the boats were 90HP. Yes the boat is rated for a 130 but the
manufacturer provided me with stickers that allowed the 140 to go on.
He said the boat can actually take up to a 180 but they rate it at 130
for safety reasons. You may be right about me not being "used to" this
hull design but I can tell you that if you were riding with me down the
river at 30 MPH and holding onto your chair so you wouldn't slide off
you wouldn't like it either...it's that bad! I'm not talking about a
"little lean", it leans "big time".

Sticker beside the point, there should be a Coast Guard rating along
with a UL rating and you can't change that period, end of discussion.
There ain't no such thing as a variable power boat horsepower rating.

Do as NYOB and Doug suggest - call the CG and ask what the boat is
officially rated for.

There's your out.

Later,

Tom

On 7 Jun 2005 08:31:04 -0700, wrote:

The fact that the list reverses when the "big guys" move to the other
side of the boat indicates there isn't
a problem with the hull.

You need a bigger boat, or smaller friends. :-)

Or that.

Later,

Tom

Really? Interesting, well the manufacturer gave me the "ok" and sent
the dealer the new CG stickers which I put on the boat. After speaking
with some others I am thinking the list is a result of the deep V on
the boat. I will probably just go with the tabs at this point and be
done with it!

RM

On 7 Jun 2005 10:02:15 -0700, "RiverMan"
wrote:

Really? Interesting, well the manufacturer gave me the "ok" and sent
the dealer the new CG stickers which I put on the boat.

Sorry, can't be done. Once the factory sticker is in place, it cannot
be altered in any way or removed. It's in the CFR's. The
manufacturer certifies the design criteria which the CG reviews and
approves, but once it's in place, that's it - can't do anything to it.
In addition, if there is a Canadian sticker on it, you can't remove or
alter that in any way either.

After speaking with some others I am thinking the list is a result of the
deep V on the boat. I will probably just go with the tabs at this point
and be done with it!

Are these mechnaical tabs or electrical? If they are mechanical tabs,
then purchase a set of electric tabs and install them - make your ride
time a lot happier.

In any case, have fun.

Later,

Tom

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:



Sorry, can't be done. Once the factory sticker is in place, it cannot
be altered in any way or removed. It's in the CFR's. The
manufacturer certifies the design criteria which the CG reviews and
approves, but once it's in place, that's it - can't do anything to it.
In addition, if there is a Canadian sticker on it, you can't remove or
alter that in any way either.


Later,

Tom

The next years identical boat may have different ratings. The Offshore
17 DSC was introduced with a 90 hp rating, was later a 115hp rating.
The same thing with one of the Switzers too(I think the 17'), was a
150hp, then 200hp rating.

But I have never heard of going over or replacing USCG plates after the
boat was built.

Rob

Actually replacing the rating plate by the Manufacturer is relatively
common. The boat may be rated by the CG at a 150 based on the formula but
the Manufacturer normally puts a 130 rating for safety, insurance, or
whatever reason. (I know in one case they used a lower rating to try and
keep the price down since most people will want the max rated hp and they
could put a 140 instead of a 150 on the boat to price it cheaper).
However, the dealer can request the higher rating plate if he wants to.
Nothing illegal about it as the boat is rated by the CG for that. CG does
not go to the dealer plant and actually attach the rating plate.

As for the list, my guess is your not used to the amount of v this boat has
and if you don't have the weight centered/balanced - your going to get some
list even under power. Tabs will solve the problem or try and balance the
weight more.

--
Tony
my boats and cars at http://t.thomas.home.mchsi.com

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"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:



Sorry, can't be done. Once the factory sticker is in place, it cannot
be altered in any way or removed. It's in the CFR's. The
manufacturer certifies the design criteria which the CG reviews and
approves, but once it's in place, that's it - can't do anything to it.
In addition, if there is a Canadian sticker on it, you can't remove or
alter that in any way either.


Later,

Tom

The next years identical boat may have different ratings. The Offshore 17
DSC was introduced with a 90 hp rating, was later a 115hp rating. The same
thing with one of the Switzers too(I think the 17'), was a 150hp, then
200hp rating.

But I have never heard of going over or replacing USCG plates after the
boat was built.

Rob

On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 02:34:25 GMT, "tony thomas"
wrote:

Actually replacing the rating plate by the Manufacturer is relatively
common. The boat may be rated by the CG at a 150 based on the formula but
the Manufacturer normally puts a 130 rating for safety, insurance, or
whatever reason. (I know in one case they used a lower rating to try and
keep the price down since most people will want the max rated hp and they
could put a 140 instead of a 150 on the boat to price it cheaper).
However, the dealer can request the higher rating plate if he wants to.
Nothing illegal about it as the boat is rated by the CG for that. CG does
not go to the dealer plant and actually attach the rating plate.

You cannot replace a sticker put in place on any particular boat in a
showroom period. It's illegal. Manufacturer's don't "derate" boats -
the sticker says "up to" not "up to but if you ask nicely we'll raise
it for you".

Once the sticker is in place, it cannot be removed, modified or
changed in any way.

Since they started the certification process, and I've been around
that long, I have never, not once, seen a boat "rerated" because the
owner wanted higher horsepower than the listed max rating. Not once.
Any dealer who did do it would just be asking for liability trouble
not to mention criminal negligence. I have seen transoms bolstered
for higher horsepower engines over and above the rating, but it wasn't
done by a dealer or the manufacturer.

Later,

Tom