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Boater cited for presence at a dangerous bar....
In a 17-footer!
Obviously more 'nads than brains. Office of Public Affairs U.S. Coast Guard Thirteenth District Press Release Date: May 31, 2005 Contact: PA3 Jeff Pollinger 206-220 7237 MASTER CITED WITH NEGLIGENT OPERATION AFTER CROSSING DANGEROUS RIVER BAR SEATTLE - The Coast Guard cited the operator of a 17-foot pleasure craft with negligent operations Monday after he unlawfully crossed the Siuslaw River bar near Florence, Ore. At 5:25 a.m., the Coast Guard issued a restriction that prohibited recreational boats and un-inspected passenger vessels from crossing the bar because of hazardous conditions. The rough bar warning light was turned on and repeated broadcasts on VHF radio channel 22A were made to notify vessels in the area of the dangerous conditions. At 7:30 a.m., the Morning Rising was observed crossing the river bar by crew members at Coast Guard Station Siuslaw River. At 8:53 a.m., after conditions further deteriorated, the station launched a 47-foot motor lifeboat to ensure the vessel could safely return across the bar. The Morning Rising was located by the motor lifeboat crew and escorted safely back across the river bar. Upon reaching shore, a dockside safety inspection was conducted and the operator was cited with negligent operation for crossing a restricted bar and for having expired flares and expired fire extinguishers. The Coast Guard would like to remind boaters to check the condition of river bars, weather and their vessel before heading out. Warnings of adverse conditions on river bars should be taken seriously. If in doubt, contact the nearest Coast Guard Station on VHF-FM channel 16 and ask for an updated bar report. ### The U.S. Coast Guard is a military, maritime, multi-mission service within the Department of Homeland Security dedicated to protecting the safety and security of America. View this document online U.S. Coast Guard - 13th District 13th District Public Information Site Visit this link to unsubscribe: http://www.piersystem.com/unsubscribe.cfm?cid=21 |
Operating in an area that is occasionally closed for "security" reasons, I
am unclear as to how this information is disseminated. I don't have VHF aboard (I don't believe this is a requirement, and I really don't want to have to listen to all the chit-chat), and don't go near public docks or launching points, even if information were posted there. Once I became aware of a closing "issue" when a Navy helicopter, fully armed, hovered above my little sailboat for an extended period, checking us out... very unsettling... I guess I'm unclear on how notification of closings takes place. If an area is temporarily closed but a skipper is not notified, can/should authorities cite him for negligence? Not to say the skipper in this case was prudent... -- Sal's Dad At 5:25 a.m., the Coast Guard issued a restriction that prohibited recreational boats and un-inspected passenger vessels from crossing the bar because of hazardous conditions. The rough bar warning light was turned on and repeated broadcasts on VHF radio channel 22A were made to notify vessels in the area of the dangerous conditions. snip and the operator was cited with negligent operation for crossing a restricted bar and for having expired flares and expired fire extinguishers. |
"Sal's Dad" wrote in message ... Operating in an area that is occasionally closed for "security" reasons, I am unclear as to how this information is disseminated. I don't have VHF aboard (I don't believe this is a requirement, and I really don't want to have to listen to all the chit-chat), and don't go near public docks or launching points, even if information were posted there. Once I became aware of a closing "issue" when a Navy helicopter, fully armed, hovered above my little sailboat for an extended period, checking us out... very unsettling... I guess I'm unclear on how notification of closings takes place. If an area is temporarily closed but a skipper is not notified, can/should authorities cite him for negligence? Not to say the skipper in this case was prudent... -- Sal's Dad At 5:25 a.m., the Coast Guard issued a restriction that prohibited recreational boats and un-inspected passenger vessels from crossing the bar because of hazardous conditions. The rough bar warning light was turned on and repeated broadcasts on VHF radio channel 22A were made to notify vessels in the area of the dangerous conditions. snip and the operator was cited with negligent operation for crossing a restricted bar and for having expired flares and expired fire extinguishers. |
"Sal's Dad" wrote in message ... Operating in an area that is occasionally closed for "security" reasons, I am unclear as to how this information is disseminated. I don't have VHF aboard (I don't believe this is a requirement, and I really don't want to have to listen to all the chit-chat), and don't go near public docks or launching points, even if information were posted there. Once I became aware of a closing "issue" when a Navy helicopter, fully armed, hovered above my little sailboat for an extended period, checking us out... very unsettling... I guess I'm unclear on how notification of closings takes place. If an area is temporarily closed but a skipper is not notified, can/should authorities cite him for negligence? Not to say the skipper in this case was prudent... -- Sal's Dad At 5:25 a.m., the Coast Guard issued a restriction that prohibited recreational boats and un-inspected passenger vessels from crossing the bar because of hazardous conditions. The rough bar warning light was turned on and repeated broadcasts on VHF radio channel 22A were made to notify vessels in the area of the dangerous conditions. snip and the operator was cited with negligent operation for crossing a restricted bar and for having expired flares and expired fire extinguishers. |
How does one dispose of expired flares? Save for the 4 of July? Call the
fire dept? |
Doug Kanter wrote:
How does one dispose of expired flares? Save for the 4 of July? Call the fire dept? The Ccanadian Coast Guard and the Cdn Power & Sail Squadron used to have a demonstration here once a year where you could take the flares and shoot them off. Now we're supposed to give them to the local police. |
How does one dispose of expired flares? Save for the 4 of July? Call
the fire dept? ************** Don't do the 4th of July routine. The only reason you might not get busted is that the cops are too busy dealing with everybody else. Flares that are designed to be shot off when surrounded by wide expanses of open water are not automatically safe when discharged into the air while surrounded by hundreds of boats anchored or rafted beam to beam for a fireworks display. It isn't uncommon to see an illegally discharged, still burning, parachute flare fall onto another boat's deck or rigging at FOJ celebrations. I once saw a boater give a buring hand-held flare to a little kid I'd be reluctant to trust with a sparkler. The last time I bought flares, I took the expired cartridges down to the fire station. At first, they gave me a hassle. "You need to call so and so at such and such a phone number and make an appointment (on the fourth Thursday of the next month with an R in the name) to drive 50 miles out of town and turn these in......." When I commented, "Wow. That seems like a major inconvenience. I'm surprised more people don't just screw all of that nonsense and throw them into the nearest dumpster..........." they suddenly became very accommodating and eagerly accepted my flares. :-) |
If you haven't had some practice firing flares, you should - it is quite
enlightening. We regularly shoot off last years' flares on July 4th, or another local "celebration". Flares are fired from the shore over the water (nowhere near any boats) as practice. As many as 75% misfire some years (not counting the expired ones!), and an occasional burn from the hand-fired type keeps the reliability and safety of these things in perspective. -- Sal's Dad How does one dispose of expired flares? Save for the 4 of July? Call the fire dept? ************** Don't do the 4th of July routine. The only reason you might not get busted is that the cops are too busy dealing with everybody else. Flares that are designed to be shot off when surrounded by wide expanses of open water are not automatically safe when discharged into the air while surrounded by hundreds of boats anchored or rafted beam to beam for a fireworks display. It isn't uncommon to see an illegally discharged, still burning, parachute flare fall onto another boat's deck or rigging at FOJ celebrations. I once saw a boater give a buring hand-held flare to a little kid I'd be reluctant to trust with a sparkler. The last time I bought flares, I took the expired cartridges down to the fire station. At first, they gave me a hassle. "You need to call so and so at such and such a phone number and make an appointment (on the fourth Thursday of the next month with an R in the name) to drive 50 miles out of town and turn these in......." When I commented, "Wow. That seems like a major inconvenience. I'm surprised more people don't just screw all of that nonsense and throw them into the nearest dumpster..........." they suddenly became very accommodating and eagerly accepted my flares. :-) |
Great - one more thing to put in the emergency box: An oven mitt. :-(
"Sal's Dad" wrote in message ... If you haven't had some practice firing flares, you should - it is quite enlightening. We regularly shoot off last years' flares on July 4th, or another local "celebration". Flares are fired from the shore over the water (nowhere near any boats) as practice. As many as 75% misfire some years (not counting the expired ones!), and an occasional burn from the hand-fired type keeps the reliability and safety of these things in perspective. -- Sal's Dad How does one dispose of expired flares? Save for the 4 of July? Call the fire dept? ************** Don't do the 4th of July routine. The only reason you might not get busted is that the cops are too busy dealing with everybody else. Flares that are designed to be shot off when surrounded by wide expanses of open water are not automatically safe when discharged into the air while surrounded by hundreds of boats anchored or rafted beam to beam for a fireworks display. It isn't uncommon to see an illegally discharged, still burning, parachute flare fall onto another boat's deck or rigging at FOJ celebrations. I once saw a boater give a buring hand-held flare to a little kid I'd be reluctant to trust with a sparkler. The last time I bought flares, I took the expired cartridges down to the fire station. At first, they gave me a hassle. "You need to call so and so at such and such a phone number and make an appointment (on the fourth Thursday of the next month with an R in the name) to drive 50 miles out of town and turn these in......." When I commented, "Wow. That seems like a major inconvenience. I'm surprised more people don't just screw all of that nonsense and throw them into the nearest dumpster..........." they suddenly became very accommodating and eagerly accepted my flares. :-) |
wrote in message oups.com... In a 17-footer! Was it a Boston Whaler? ;-) |
"Sal's Dad" wrote in message ... Operating in an area that is occasionally closed for "security" reasons, I am unclear as to how this information is disseminated. I don't have VHF aboard (I don't believe this is a requirement, and I really don't want to have to listen to all the chit-chat), and don't go near public docks or launching points, even if information were posted there. Once I became aware of a closing "issue" when a Navy helicopter, fully armed, hovered above my little sailboat for an extended period, checking us out... very unsettling... I guess I'm unclear on how notification of closings takes place. If an area is temporarily closed but a skipper is not notified, can/should authorities cite him for negligence? Not to say the skipper in this case was prudent... -- Sal's Dad At 5:25 a.m., the Coast Guard issued a restriction that prohibited recreational boats and un-inspected passenger vessels from crossing the bar because of hazardous conditions. The rough bar warning light was turned on and repeated broadcasts on VHF radio channel 22A were made to notify vessels in the area of the dangerous conditions. snip and the operator was cited with negligent operation for crossing a restricted bar and for having expired flares and expired fire extinguishers. I would say you could and should be cited. Call the CG if you are foolish enough to not have a VHF aboard if you are in a big enough area to have a CG presence. What happens if you spring a leak? Just put the VHF on 16 and there is not that much chit chat, but there are CG announcements and cries for help. |
wrote in message oups.com... How does one dispose of expired flares? Save for the 4 of July? Call the fire dept? ************** Don't do the 4th of July routine. The only reason you might not get busted is that the cops are too busy dealing with everybody else. Flares that are designed to be shot off when surrounded by wide expanses of open water are not automatically safe when discharged into the air while surrounded by hundreds of boats anchored or rafted beam to beam for a fireworks display. It isn't uncommon to see an illegally discharged, still burning, parachute flare fall onto another boat's deck or rigging at FOJ celebrations. I once saw a boater give a buring hand-held flare to a little kid I'd be reluctant to trust with a sparkler. The last time I bought flares, I took the expired cartridges down to the fire station. At first, they gave me a hassle. "You need to call so and so at such and such a phone number and make an appointment (on the fourth Thursday of the next month with an R in the name) to drive 50 miles out of town and turn these in......." When I commented, "Wow. That seems like a major inconvenience. I'm surprised more people don't just screw all of that nonsense and throw them into the nearest dumpster..........." they suddenly became very accommodating and eagerly accepted my flares. :-) Why not just keep the expired ones alongside the new ones you purchase and are up to date? That is what I did. Is it illegal to have expired had held and gun fired flares on board when, at the same time, you have a full compliment of "fresh" ones meeting USCG regs? |
plus the bar had a warning light (whatever that may be)
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Why not just keep the expired ones alongside the new ones you purchase and are up to date? That is what I did. Yep thats what I am doing .. to a point of course as there is the time when the expired flares will take up all the space in your boat ;) Is it illegal to have expired had held and gun fired flares on board when, at the same time, you have a full compliment of "fresh" ones meeting USCG regs? Its legal. Carry whatever you like in addition to the required non expired flares. I rather carry 6 expired SOLAS flare than 3 non expired regular (=useless) flares matt |
"*JimH*" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... How does one dispose of expired flares? Save for the 4 of July? Call the fire dept? ************** Don't do the 4th of July routine. The only reason you might not get busted is that the cops are too busy dealing with everybody else. Flares that are designed to be shot off when surrounded by wide expanses of open water are not automatically safe when discharged into the air while surrounded by hundreds of boats anchored or rafted beam to beam for a fireworks display. It isn't uncommon to see an illegally discharged, still burning, parachute flare fall onto another boat's deck or rigging at FOJ celebrations. I once saw a boater give a buring hand-held flare to a little kid I'd be reluctant to trust with a sparkler. The last time I bought flares, I took the expired cartridges down to the fire station. At first, they gave me a hassle. "You need to call so and so at such and such a phone number and make an appointment (on the fourth Thursday of the next month with an R in the name) to drive 50 miles out of town and turn these in......." When I commented, "Wow. That seems like a major inconvenience. I'm surprised more people don't just screw all of that nonsense and throw them into the nearest dumpster..........." they suddenly became very accommodating and eagerly accepted my flares. :-) Why not just keep the expired ones alongside the new ones you purchase and are up to date? That is what I did. Is it illegal to have expired had held and gun fired flares on board when, at the same time, you have a full compliment of "fresh" ones meeting USCG regs? I asked the Coast Guard Auxiliary this question. They said to put them in a bag marked "practice flares", and keep them on board. |
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:05:48 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:
~~ snippage ~~ Is it illegal to have expired had held and gun fired flares on board when, at the same time, you have a full compliment of "fresh" ones meeting USCG regs? I asked the Coast Guard Auxiliary this question. They said to put them in a bag marked "practice flares", and keep them on board. Isn't that interesting. How do they expect you to practice with them? Later, Tom |
One interesint fact from a Pains Wessex Rep is that the same flare will
have different expire dates in different countries. If I remember correctly its longer in Canada... its based on local laws .... So really it may be perfectly fine if expired in one country. Still i recommend to have enough unexpired flares on hand Matt |
On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 01:22:41 GMT, Red Cloud®
wrote: Is it illegal to have expired had held and gun fired flares on board when, at the same time, you have a full compliment of "fresh" ones meeting USCG regs? It's not illegal by the book, but some boarding officers will use their discretion to cite you for it anyway. They can! I was waiting for somebody to mention this. Two years ago I was cited for having expired flares aboard my Contender even though they were in a separate container kept in a separate storage container and labeled as "expired signal flares/smoke". I complained to the MSO in New London and their argument was that it was a violation to have expired safety signaling equipment aboard - it didn't matter that I had a complete set of up-to-date flares/signals aboard. My argument was that the up-to-date signaling flares were accessible and labeled properly and that the emergency out-of-date flares were there for extreme emergencies and placed in an area of the boat where you would have to look for them to find them. Didn't matter - the rule is the rule. So now I carry extra up-to-date flares and give the old ones to the local Volleys for SAR training. Later, Tom |
You practice firing one in the air, then the CG practices coming to your
rescue, then they practice writing a citation with a big fine for your initial practice of firing the practice flare. That is if they don't practice arresting you... --Mike "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:05:48 -0400, "NOYB" wrote: ~~ snippage ~~ Is it illegal to have expired had held and gun fired flares on board when, at the same time, you have a full compliment of "fresh" ones meeting USCG regs? I asked the Coast Guard Auxiliary this question. They said to put them in a bag marked "practice flares", and keep them on board. Isn't that interesting. How do they expect you to practice with them? Later, Tom |
talking about retarded laws .. thats gotta be it..
I remmeber talking to a canadian CC officer .. he said its fine to have both on board, which to me makes sense |
"*JimH*" wrote in message
... Why not just keep the expired ones alongside the new ones you purchase and are up to date? That is what I did. Is it illegal to have expired had held and gun fired flares on board when, at the same time, you have a full compliment of "fresh" ones meeting USCG regs? Whether it's illegal or not depends on the REAL reason you were pulled over. I was subjected to a "safety check" last year, which I'm sure would not have happened if my son's girlfriend hadn't been wearing a skirt so short. One guy questioned me while his three ****** buddies were at the other end of the boat asking her what high school she went to. My son commented later that it was good I was sitting on the hatch where the handgun was stashed. The ****** in charge cited me for a violation which turned out to be completely inaccurate, per CG regs. When I trailered the boat to the CG station, I had their CO look it over. He shook his head as if to say "What the hell was so-and-so thinking?" |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... My argument was that the up-to-date signaling flares were accessible and labeled properly and that the emergency out-of-date flares were there for extreme emergencies and placed in an area of the boat where you would have to look for them to find them. Didn't matter - the rule is the rule. So now I carry extra up-to-date flares and give the old ones to the local Volleys for SAR training. What's a volley? |
What's a volley?
********** A volley-n-tear |
On 2 Jun 2005 00:27:15 -0700, wrote:
What's a volley? ********** A volley-n-tear Yes. Later, Tom |
On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 03:57:57 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "*JimH*" wrote in message ... Why not just keep the expired ones alongside the new ones you purchase and are up to date? That is what I did. Is it illegal to have expired had held and gun fired flares on board when, at the same time, you have a full compliment of "fresh" ones meeting USCG regs? Whether it's illegal or not depends on the REAL reason you were pulled over. I was subjected to a "safety check" last year, which I'm sure would not have happened if my son's girlfriend hadn't been wearing a skirt so short. NO NO - NO THAT STORY AGAIN!!!!! One guy questioned me while his three ****** buddies were at the other end of the boat asking her what high school she went to. My son commented later that it was good I was sitting on the hatch where the handgun was stashed. The ****** in charge cited me for a violation which turned out to be completely inaccurate, per CG regs. When I trailered the boat to the CG station, I had their CO look it over. He shook his head as if to say "What the hell was so-and-so thinking?" ~~ sigh ~~ Too late. :) Later, Tom |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 03:57:57 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "*JimH*" wrote in message ... Why not just keep the expired ones alongside the new ones you purchase and are up to date? That is what I did. Is it illegal to have expired had held and gun fired flares on board when, at the same time, you have a full compliment of "fresh" ones meeting USCG regs? Whether it's illegal or not depends on the REAL reason you were pulled over. I was subjected to a "safety check" last year, which I'm sure would not have happened if my son's girlfriend hadn't been wearing a skirt so short. NO NO - NO THAT STORY AGAIN!!!!! What story? :-) Who are you? What am I doing here? |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 2 Jun 2005 00:27:15 -0700, wrote: What's a volley? ********** A volley-n-tear Yes. Later, Tom You and chooch are about as useful as rubber crutches when it comes to definitions. :-) |
On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:24:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On 2 Jun 2005 00:27:15 -0700, wrote: What's a volley? ********** A volley-n-tear Yes. You and chooch are about as useful as rubber crutches when it comes to definitions. :-) Volunteers - Fire Fighter/Dive Squads/SAR teams/EMS. Later, Tom |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:05:48 -0400, "NOYB" wrote: ~~ snippage ~~ Is it illegal to have expired had held and gun fired flares on board when, at the same time, you have a full compliment of "fresh" ones meeting USCG regs? I asked the Coast Guard Auxiliary this question. They said to put them in a bag marked "practice flares", and keep them on board. Isn't that interesting. How do they expect you to practice with them? That's what I wondered. Actually, I think he told me to write "training flares" on the zip-lock. |
The real question is: where is the bar? It's not that rough water at the end
of the jetties anymore. The CG has recently been pulling over boats west of the Yaquina Bay bridge (Newport OR) even when the tide is incoming. This is about a mile of calm water that people like to fish, crab, and boat in. I don't remember seeing an expiration date on my fire extinguisher. I thought you were supposed to monitor ch 16, not 22? wrote in message oups.com... In a 17-footer! Obviously more 'nads than brains. Office of Public Affairs U.S. Coast Guard Thirteenth District Press Release Date: May 31, 2005 Contact: PA3 Jeff Pollinger 206-220 7237 MASTER CITED WITH NEGLIGENT OPERATION AFTER CROSSING DANGEROUS RIVER BAR SEATTLE - The Coast Guard cited the operator of a 17-foot pleasure craft with negligent operations Monday after he unlawfully crossed the Siuslaw River bar near Florence, Ore. At 5:25 a.m., the Coast Guard issued a restriction that prohibited recreational boats and un-inspected passenger vessels from crossing the bar because of hazardous conditions. The rough bar warning light was turned on and repeated broadcasts on VHF radio channel 22A were made to notify vessels in the area of the dangerous conditions. At 7:30 a.m., the Morning Rising was observed crossing the river bar by crew members at Coast Guard Station Siuslaw River. At 8:53 a.m., after conditions further deteriorated, the station launched a 47-foot motor lifeboat to ensure the vessel could safely return across the bar. The Morning Rising was located by the motor lifeboat crew and escorted safely back across the river bar. Upon reaching shore, a dockside safety inspection was conducted and the operator was cited with negligent operation for crossing a restricted bar and for having expired flares and expired fire extinguishers. The Coast Guard would like to remind boaters to check the condition of river bars, weather and their vessel before heading out. Warnings of adverse conditions on river bars should be taken seriously. If in doubt, contact the nearest Coast Guard Station on VHF-FM channel 16 and ask for an updated bar report. ### The U.S. Coast Guard is a military, maritime, multi-mission service within the Department of Homeland Security dedicated to protecting the safety and security of America. View this document online U.S. Coast Guard - 13th District 13th District Public Information Site Visit this link to unsubscribe: http://www.piersystem.com/unsubscribe.cfm?cid=21 |
Looks like I missed a number of postings here (I have a policy of adding
anybody who starts an OT thread on this group to the killfile) - aside from the warnings on ch 22A and the "warning light", was there something else done to notify the operator? -- Sal's Dad wrote in message oups.com... plus the bar had a warning light (whatever that may be) |
On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:08:10 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote: On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 03:57:57 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "*JimH*" wrote in message ... Why not just keep the expired ones alongside the new ones you purchase and are up to date? That is what I did. Is it illegal to have expired had held and gun fired flares on board when, at the same time, you have a full compliment of "fresh" ones meeting USCG regs? Whether it's illegal or not depends on the REAL reason you were pulled over. I was subjected to a "safety check" last year, which I'm sure would not have happened if my son's girlfriend hadn't been wearing a skirt so short. NO NO - NO THAT STORY AGAIN!!!!! One guy questioned me while his three ****** buddies were at the other end of the boat asking her what high school she went to. My son commented later that it was good I was sitting on the hatch where the handgun was stashed. The ****** in charge cited me for a violation which turned out to be completely inaccurate, per CG regs. When I trailered the boat to the CG station, I had their CO look it over. He shook his head as if to say "What the hell was so-and-so thinking?" ~~ sigh ~~ Too late. :) Later, Tom That'll be a good story no matter how many times it's told! -- John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes (A true binary thinker!) |
"John H" wrote in message
... That'll be a good story no matter how many times it's told! And it's a warning to all who pay attention. If you have a scantily clad wench aboard, make sure your equipment's up to date. That equipment, too. |
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On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:47:26 GMT, Harry.Krause wrote:
On 31 May 2005 17:21:57 -0700, wrote: In a 17-footer! Obviously more 'nads than brains. Piece of cake. Ive crossed MUCH worse waters, in even smaller boats. Me and the wife http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/harkra...bum?.dir=/1323 Go back to bed. -- John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes (A true binary thinker!) |
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