wrote in message
oups.com...
I know that aspects of this have been posted previously, but I thought
I would provide an update I saw in today's newspapers and a release by
the Associated Press.

According to several articles in the news, "Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa.,
the U.S. Senate's third-ranking Republican, stirred up a growing storm
with a bill introduced on April 14 that would restrict the availability
of weather information provided now by the National Weather Service for
free to the general public. Among the products removed from public
access would be weather data and radar through the National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration's Web sites. Though Santorum claims the NWS
would compete unfairly with such commercial sites as AccuWeather and
the Weather Channel, both for-profit services use basic data provided
by the NWS as well as other information from other sources and
repackage it for target markets."

According to a release by the Associated Press, "Two days before Sen.
Rick Santorum introduced a bill that critics say would restrict the
National Weather Service, his political action committee received a
$2,000 donation from the chief executive of AccuWeather Inc., a leading
provider of weather data."

If you use NOAA weather information to plan sailing events, you might
want to contact the senators from your state.

If you use NOAA weather information to plan *any* day out on the water, then
you know
what it's like to be frustrated by inaccurate forecasting. NOAA sucks.

"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

I know that aspects of this have been posted previously, but I thought
I would provide an update I saw in today's newspapers and a release by
the Associated Press.

According to several articles in the news, "Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa.,
the U.S. Senate's third-ranking Republican, stirred up a growing storm
with a bill introduced on April 14 that would restrict the availability
of weather information provided now by the National Weather Service for
free to the general public. Among the products removed from public
access would be weather data and radar through the National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration's Web sites. Though Santorum claims the NWS
would compete unfairly with such commercial sites as AccuWeather and
the Weather Channel, both for-profit services use basic data provided
by the NWS as well as other information from other sources and
repackage it for target markets."

According to a release by the Associated Press, "Two days before Sen.
Rick Santorum introduced a bill that critics say would restrict the
National Weather Service, his political action committee received a
$2,000 donation from the chief executive of AccuWeather Inc., a leading
provider of weather data."

If you use NOAA weather information to plan sailing events, you might
want to contact the senators from your state.


If you use NOAA weather information to plan *any* day out on the water,
then you know
what it's like to be frustrated by inaccurate forecasting. NOAA sucks.


NOAA is reasonable accurate up here, but for predicting Bay wave heights.
Up to a point, I just double NOAA's predicted wave heights, especially
when the prediction is 1' or less.

You're in a much tougher area for forecasting. Using data that is not
generated by NOAA, who is giving you the best predictions of ocean
conditions?


The day of any trip, I use Weatherbug to get current windspeed and
direction. From there, I know what the seas will be. Anything from 0-10
mph out of the SW, W, or NW means 0-2 feet. 10-15 mph means 2-4 feet.
15-20 mph means 3-5. 20+ mph means 6 ft or more.

Anything out of the NE, E, or SW means the Gulf will be flat out to about
1-2 miles. Beyond that, sea heights build according to windspeed again.

Here's the best predictor for up to 48 hours out:
https://www.navo.navy.mil/cgi-bin/gr...336/21/0-0-1/2

And here's the one for your region:
https://www.navo.navy.mil/cgi-bin/gr...112/21/0-0-1/0

Go to this link:
https://www.navo.navy.mil/cgi-bin/gr...112/21/0-0-1/0

Looks like you have some nasty boating conditions coming this Thursday and
Friday.

What area is 37 25'N 76 15'W? They're predicted to get 10-12 foot seas
Thursday night!





"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

I know that aspects of this have been posted previously, but I thought
I would provide an update I saw in today's newspapers and a release by
the Associated Press.

According to several articles in the news, "Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa.,
the U.S. Senate's third-ranking Republican, stirred up a growing storm
with a bill introduced on April 14 that would restrict the availability
of weather information provided now by the National Weather Service for
free to the general public. Among the products removed from public
access would be weather data and radar through the National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration's Web sites. Though Santorum claims the NWS
would compete unfairly with such commercial sites as AccuWeather and
the Weather Channel, both for-profit services use basic data provided
by the NWS as well as other information from other sources and
repackage it for target markets."

According to a release by the Associated Press, "Two days before Sen.
Rick Santorum introduced a bill that critics say would restrict the
National Weather Service, his political action committee received a
$2,000 donation from the chief executive of AccuWeather Inc., a leading
provider of weather data."

If you use NOAA weather information to plan sailing events, you might
want to contact the senators from your state.


If you use NOAA weather information to plan *any* day out on the water,
then you know
what it's like to be frustrated by inaccurate forecasting. NOAA sucks.


NOAA is reasonable accurate up here, but for predicting Bay wave heights.
Up to a point, I just double NOAA's predicted wave heights, especially
when the prediction is 1' or less.

You're in a much tougher area for forecasting. Using data that is not
generated by NOAA, who is giving you the best predictions of ocean
conditions?

"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
Go to this link:
https://www.navo.navy.mil/cgi-bin/gr...112/21/0-0-1/0

Looks like you have some nasty boating conditions coming this Thursday
and Friday.

What area is 37 25'N 76 15'W? They're predicted to get 10-12 foot seas
Thursday night!


The general area is around the ocean entrance to Chesapeake Bay from the
Atlantic, includes the DelMarVa Peninsula, Norfolk, Chesapeake Bay
Bridge-Tunnel, extends down past Virginia Beach. Surf's up!

Hang 10.

"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote:

Go to this link:
https://www.navo.navy.mil/cgi-bin/gr...112/21/0-0-1/0

Looks like you have some nasty boating conditions coming this Thursday
and Friday.

What area is 37 25'N 76 15'W? They're predicted to get 10-12 foot seas
Thursday night!


The general area is around the ocean entrance to Chesapeake Bay from the
Atlantic, includes the DelMarVa Peninsula, Norfolk, Chesapeake Bay
Bridge-Tunnel, extends down past Virginia Beach. Surf's up!


Hang 10.



You can bet the serious surfers will be out in it, at the south end of
Virginia Beach near Rudee's Inlet, and on the other side of the inlet.
They live for these waves.


Before you head out on the water next time, try checking that site I listed
and tell me if you find it as accurate as I have.

On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:23:13 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


wrote in message
roups.com...
I know that aspects of this have been posted previously, but I thought
I would provide an update I saw in today's newspapers and a release by
the Associated Press.

According to several articles in the news, "Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa.,
the U.S. Senate's third-ranking Republican, stirred up a growing storm
with a bill introduced on April 14 that would restrict the availability
of weather information provided now by the National Weather Service for
free to the general public. Among the products removed from public
access would be weather data and radar through the National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration's Web sites. Though Santorum claims the NWS
would compete unfairly with such commercial sites as AccuWeather and
the Weather Channel, both for-profit services use basic data provided
by the NWS as well as other information from other sources and
repackage it for target markets."

According to a release by the Associated Press, "Two days before Sen.
Rick Santorum introduced a bill that critics say would restrict the
National Weather Service, his political action committee received a
$2,000 donation from the chief executive of AccuWeather Inc., a leading
provider of weather data."

If you use NOAA weather information to plan sailing events, you might
want to contact the senators from your state.

If you use NOAA weather information to plan *any* day out on the water, then
you know what it's like to be frustrated by inaccurate forecasting. NOAA
sucks.

Just a tad of hyperbole there me thinks. Up around here, they are
pretty good. And if you are used to an area, you know damn well when
the wind is from the SW 10-15 you'd best stay the hell out of Fisher's
Island Sound. :)

But that wasn't the point of the discussion - the use of publicly paid
for data to be used exclusively by private interests and all the
attendant complications and implications for the future was the
discussion.

Later,

Tom

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:23:13 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


wrote in message
groups.com...
I know that aspects of this have been posted previously, but I thought
I would provide an update I saw in today's newspapers and a release by
the Associated Press.

According to several articles in the news, "Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa.,
the U.S. Senate's third-ranking Republican, stirred up a growing storm
with a bill introduced on April 14 that would restrict the availability
of weather information provided now by the National Weather Service for
free to the general public. Among the products removed from public
access would be weather data and radar through the National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration's Web sites. Though Santorum claims the NWS
would compete unfairly with such commercial sites as AccuWeather and
the Weather Channel, both for-profit services use basic data provided
by the NWS as well as other information from other sources and
repackage it for target markets."

According to a release by the Associated Press, "Two days before Sen.
Rick Santorum introduced a bill that critics say would restrict the
National Weather Service, his political action committee received a
$2,000 donation from the chief executive of AccuWeather Inc., a leading
provider of weather data."

If you use NOAA weather information to plan sailing events, you might
want to contact the senators from your state.

If you use NOAA weather information to plan *any* day out on the water,
then
you know what it's like to be frustrated by inaccurate forecasting. NOAA
sucks.

Just a tad of hyperbole there me thinks. Up around here, they are
pretty good. And if you are used to an area, you know damn well when
the wind is from the SW 10-15 you'd best stay the hell out of Fisher's
Island Sound. :)

But that wasn't the point of the discussion - the use of publicly paid
for data to be used exclusively by private interests and all the
attendant complications and implications for the future was the
discussion.

I think publicly-paid-for-data should be available equally to *all* at no
charge...and that includes private companies. Afterall, they pay taxes too.

On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:27:48 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote:

Go to this link:
https://www.navo.navy.mil/cgi-bin/gr...112/21/0-0-1/0

Looks like you have some nasty boating conditions coming this Thursday
and Friday.

What area is 37 25'N 76 15'W? They're predicted to get 10-12 foot seas
Thursday night!


The general area is around the ocean entrance to Chesapeake Bay from the
Atlantic, includes the DelMarVa Peninsula, Norfolk, Chesapeake Bay
Bridge-Tunnel, extends down past Virginia Beach. Surf's up!


Hang 10.



You can bet the serious surfers will be out in it, at the south end of
Virginia Beach near Rudee's Inlet, and on the other side of the inlet.
They live for these waves.


Before you head out on the water next time, try checking that site I listed
and tell me if you find it as accurate as I have.




The charts I saw cover the bay from the Potomac River south. They don't get up
to the mid- and northern-bay areas. Personally, I think the 8-10 foot wave
predictions are garbage. Those would be making worldwide news as the "Chesapeake
Bay Tsunami"!

Here's the NWS prediction for the northern end of that area:

ANZ534-012230-
/X.ROU.KLWX.MA.F.0000.000000T0000Z-000000T0000Z/
CHESAPEAKE BAY FROM DRUM POINT TO SMITH POINT-
1023 AM EDT WED JUN 1 2005

THU
NE WINDS 10 KT. WAVES 1 FT. RAIN LIKELY.

THU NIGHT
NE WINDS 10 TO 15 KT...BECOMING E 5 TO 10 KT AFTER
MIDNIGHT. WAVES 2 FT. RAIN LIKELY.

FRI
SE WINDS 5 TO 10 KT. WAVES 1 FT OR LESS. A CHANCE OF SHOWERS
AND TSTMS.

FRI NIGHT
S WINDS 5 TO 10 KT. WAVES 1 FT OR LESS. A CHANCE OF
SHOWERS.

SAT
SW WINDS 5 TO 10 KT. WAVES 1 FT OR LESS. A CHANCE OF
SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS.

--
John H
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes (A true binary thinker!)

On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:50:09 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:23:13 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


wrote in message
egroups.com...
I know that aspects of this have been posted previously, but I thought
I would provide an update I saw in today's newspapers and a release by
the Associated Press.

According to several articles in the news, "Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa.,
the U.S. Senate's third-ranking Republican, stirred up a growing storm
with a bill introduced on April 14 that would restrict the availability
of weather information provided now by the National Weather Service for
free to the general public. Among the products removed from public
access would be weather data and radar through the National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration's Web sites. Though Santorum claims the NWS
would compete unfairly with such commercial sites as AccuWeather and
the Weather Channel, both for-profit services use basic data provided
by the NWS as well as other information from other sources and
repackage it for target markets."

According to a release by the Associated Press, "Two days before Sen.
Rick Santorum introduced a bill that critics say would restrict the
National Weather Service, his political action committee received a
$2,000 donation from the chief executive of AccuWeather Inc., a leading
provider of weather data."

If you use NOAA weather information to plan sailing events, you might
want to contact the senators from your state.

If you use NOAA weather information to plan *any* day out on the water,
then
you know what it's like to be frustrated by inaccurate forecasting. NOAA
sucks.

Just a tad of hyperbole there me thinks. Up around here, they are
pretty good. And if you are used to an area, you know damn well when
the wind is from the SW 10-15 you'd best stay the hell out of Fisher's
Island Sound. :)

But that wasn't the point of the discussion - the use of publicly paid
for data to be used exclusively by private interests and all the
attendant complications and implications for the future was the
discussion.

I think publicly-paid-for-data should be available equally to *all* at no
charge...and that includes private companies. Afterall, they pay taxes too.

I agree, but you need to look beyond being fair. There hasn't been,
in this discussion, any argument against sharing the data. The
problem is what use that data is being put to and just how it will
affect the functionality of the NWS.

The discussion pretty much detailed what and where the problems might
lay with this proposal.

Read through the thread - it's pretty interesting even if I say so
myself. :)

Later,

Tom

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wrote in message
oups.com...
I know that aspects of this have been posted previously, but I thought
I would provide an update I saw in today's newspapers and a release by
the Associated Press.

According to several articles in the news, "Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa.,
the U.S. Senate's third-ranking Republican, stirred up a growing storm
with a bill introduced on April 14 that would restrict the availability
of weather information provided now by the National Weather Service for
free to the general public. Among the products removed from public
access would be weather data and radar through the National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration's Web sites. Though Santorum claims the NWS
would compete unfairly with such commercial sites as AccuWeather and
the Weather Channel, both for-profit services use basic data provided
by the NWS as well as other information from other sources and
repackage it for target markets."

According to a release by the Associated Press, "Two days before Sen.
Rick Santorum introduced a bill that critics say would restrict the
National Weather Service, his political action committee received a
$2,000 donation from the chief executive of AccuWeather Inc., a leading
provider of weather data."

If you use NOAA weather information to plan sailing events, you might
want to contact the senators from your state.

If you use NOAA weather information to plan *any* day out on the water,
then you know
what it's like to be frustrated by inaccurate forecasting. NOAA sucks.




I agree. Especially on reporting and forecasting wave heights.