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DSK wrote:
wrote:
How else is representative government supposed to operate if majority
doesn't rule?

How about by not trampling on the minority... especially a minority that
can summon a majority on many of the more right-wing proposals?

How is insisting on a vote trampling on the minority?



.... Repubs have the majority of the votes in the Senate,
House, and the White House.

Yes, but the far right does not have a majority, even within the
Republican Party. That's why the 'nuclear option' and arm-twisting...
why do several Republican Senators say that they've been 'beat up' by
the Bush cabinet?

What does that have to do with getting them to "just vote dammit"?




... What else do they need to get a few judges
approved?

Pick judges that aren't fascist whackoes.

In your opinion only. But it's not your job or priviledge to decide if
they are fascist. At this point it is the Senate's job and a minority
of Senators are holding up the process. The minority should not have
the power to shut down the system if they don't like what's going on.
The minority never does like what's going on, that's why they are the
minority. The dems only have to convince a few measly Senators that
these appointees are "fascist". If they can't do it, then what rights
should they have to block them from taking the bench?

Did it amount to 'mob rule' in your book back in the early 1990s when
Newt Gengrich led the Republican minority in the exact same kind of
tactics?

I already said ,"I would be just as mad if the repubs pulled this
crap", but you snipped it. I was too young at the time to care about
Newt, but yes it was dirty politics. Did you have a point?


NO, he just choose to lie....Newt G, was the speaker of the house , he had
absolutely NO power in the Senate.

THe liebrals are desparate and will do anything not to give up
power......unfortunately, a few spineless moderate republicans don't know
how to act like a majority.

On Wed, 25 May 2005 11:57:55 -0400, "P.Fritz"
wrote:


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DSK wrote:
wrote:
How else is representative government supposed to operate if majority
doesn't rule?

How about by not trampling on the minority... especially a minority that
can summon a majority on many of the more right-wing proposals?

How is insisting on a vote trampling on the minority?



.... Repubs have the majority of the votes in the Senate,
House, and the White House.

Yes, but the far right does not have a majority, even within the
Republican Party. That's why the 'nuclear option' and arm-twisting...
why do several Republican Senators say that they've been 'beat up' by
the Bush cabinet?

What does that have to do with getting them to "just vote dammit"?




... What else do they need to get a few judges
approved?

Pick judges that aren't fascist whackoes.

In your opinion only. But it's not your job or priviledge to decide if
they are fascist. At this point it is the Senate's job and a minority
of Senators are holding up the process. The minority should not have
the power to shut down the system if they don't like what's going on.
The minority never does like what's going on, that's why they are the
minority. The dems only have to convince a few measly Senators that
these appointees are "fascist". If they can't do it, then what rights
should they have to block them from taking the bench?

Did it amount to 'mob rule' in your book back in the early 1990s when
Newt Gengrich led the Republican minority in the exact same kind of
tactics?

I already said ,"I would be just as mad if the repubs pulled this
crap", but you snipped it. I was too young at the time to care about
Newt, but yes it was dirty politics. Did you have a point?


NO, he just choose to lie....Newt G, was the speaker of the house , he had
absolutely NO power in the Senate.

THe liebrals are desparate and will do anything not to give up
power......unfortunately, a few spineless moderate republicans don't know
how to act like a majority.



The 'Constitutional' option hasn't been dispensed with, its use has simply been
postponed. If the Dems start their **** again, it will be put back on the table.
The Republicans just got three judges approved without a fight.

--
John H
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes (A true binary thinker!)

"John H" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 11:57:55 -0400, "P.Fritz"

wrote:


wrote in message
groups.com...


DSK wrote:
wrote:
How else is representative government supposed to operate if majority
doesn't rule?

How about by not trampling on the minority... especially a minority
that
can summon a majority on many of the more right-wing proposals?

How is insisting on a vote trampling on the minority?



.... Repubs have the majority of the votes in the Senate,
House, and the White House.

Yes, but the far right does not have a majority, even within the
Republican Party. That's why the 'nuclear option' and arm-twisting...
why do several Republican Senators say that they've been 'beat up' by
the Bush cabinet?

What does that have to do with getting them to "just vote dammit"?




... What else do they need to get a few judges
approved?

Pick judges that aren't fascist whackoes.

In your opinion only. But it's not your job or priviledge to decide if
they are fascist. At this point it is the Senate's job and a minority
of Senators are holding up the process. The minority should not have
the power to shut down the system if they don't like what's going on.
The minority never does like what's going on, that's why they are the
minority. The dems only have to convince a few measly Senators that
these appointees are "fascist". If they can't do it, then what rights
should they have to block them from taking the bench?

Did it amount to 'mob rule' in your book back in the early 1990s when
Newt Gengrich led the Republican minority in the exact same kind of
tactics?

I already said ,"I would be just as mad if the repubs pulled this
crap", but you snipped it. I was too young at the time to care about
Newt, but yes it was dirty politics. Did you have a point?


NO, he just choose to lie....Newt G, was the speaker of the house , he
had
absolutely NO power in the Senate.

THe liebrals are desparate and will do anything not to give up
power......unfortunately, a few spineless moderate republicans don't know
how to act like a majority.



The 'Constitutional' option hasn't been dispensed with, its use has simply
been
postponed. If the Dems start their **** again, it will be put back on the
table.
The Republicans just got three judges approved without a fight.

I'll say again.....a few spineless moderate republicans don't know
how to act like a majority.

And then there is the democrat in hiding McCain.




--
John H
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes (A true binary thinker!)

"P.Fritz" wrote in message

I'll say again.....a few spineless moderate republicans don't know
how to act like a majority.



Be careful what you wish for.....
Lets turn that around - IF the demo's were in charge then they should force
THEIR agenda down the Republicans throat????

My personal opinion is - too bad the moderates from BOTH parties have
lost.....

On Thu, 26 May 2005 02:30:39 +0000, Gorf wrote:


"P.Fritz" wrote in message

I'll say again.....a few spineless moderate republicans don't know how
to act like a majority.



Be careful what you wish for.....
Lets turn that around - IF the demo's were in charge then they should
force THEIR agenda down the Republicans throat????

My personal opinion is - too bad the moderates from BOTH parties have
lost.....

In this particular case, I would say the moderates have won.

On Wed, 25 May 2005 22:52:00 -0400, thunder wrote:

On Thu, 26 May 2005 02:30:39 +0000, Gorf wrote:


"P.Fritz" wrote in message

I'll say again.....a few spineless moderate republicans don't know how
to act like a majority.



Be careful what you wish for.....
Lets turn that around - IF the demo's were in charge then they should
force THEIR agenda down the Republicans throat????

My personal opinion is - too bad the moderates from BOTH parties have
lost.....

In this particular case, I would say the moderates have won.

Most assuredly. Owens will take her seat, the rest will follow soon, and then
we'll be back at square one!


--
John H
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes (A true binary thinker!)

"Gorf" wrote in message
...

"P.Fritz" wrote in message

I'll say again.....a few spineless moderate republicans don't know
how to act like a majority.



Be careful what you wish for.....
Lets turn that around - IF the demo's were in charge then they should
force
THEIR agenda down the Republicans throat????

You mean like they did for forty years? This is time to restore the mess
the liebrals created over that time period.



My personal opinion is - too bad the moderates from BOTH parties have
lost.....



Y

On Wed, 25 May 2005 12:04:15 -0400, John H wrote:


The 'Constitutional' option hasn't been dispensed with, its use has simply
been postponed. If the Dems start their **** again, it will be put back on
the table. The Republicans just got three judges approved without a fight.

Really? You just don't get it. Those seven moderate Republicans just
broke ranks with the far right wing of the party. Do the math. Frist
doesn't have the votes for the "nuclear option." Once again, the checks
and balances our forefathers put into the system have worked. Deny it if
you will, but this country is still ruled by the center, not the far right
or the far left.

On Wed, 25 May 2005 14:51:55 -0400, thunder wrote:

On Wed, 25 May 2005 12:04:15 -0400, John H wrote:


The 'Constitutional' option hasn't been dispensed with, its use has simply
been postponed. If the Dems start their **** again, it will be put back on
the table. The Republicans just got three judges approved without a fight.

Really? You just don't get it. Those seven moderate Republicans just
broke ranks with the far right wing of the party. Do the math. Frist
doesn't have the votes for the "nuclear option." Once again, the checks
and balances our forefathers put into the system have worked. Deny it if
you will, but this country is still ruled by the center, not the far right
or the far left.

Believe what you will.

--
John H
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes (A true binary thinker!)

THIS IS A REC BOATS FORUM TALK ABOUT BOATS DUMB ASS!