225HP evinrude 1999 shifter questions
 

I have a 99 evinrude 225xi w/ intermittent shift problem.
Very hard shifting from F to N and to R.

A couple of times managed to get it into N and
RPMs went high (~2000rpm). One time
engine code light was set; but then went off.

I turn off boat and restart later and
NO PROBLEM! works great can't get it to repeat.
Hours later, problem returns. Very hard shifting
can't find N. Have to force it from F to R

Help... could this be shift interrupter ??

What is the procedure for adjusting all cables?
I have the manual but it refers to an accessory manual
which I don't have.

If the problem would persist, I am sure I can find it
but when it works well most of the time, it is
hard to diagnose.


-Almus

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Perhaps your computer mapping? When was the last time your service shop
checked your mapping against current factory specs for a 99?

Perhaps Bill Grannis will weigh in on your problem with a simple(??), low
cost solution.

Good luck.

Butch
"almus" wrote in message
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I have a 99 evinrude 225xi w/ intermittent shift problem.
Very hard shifting from F to N and to R.

A couple of times managed to get it into N and
RPMs went high (~2000rpm). One time
engine code light was set; but then went off.

I turn off boat and restart later and
NO PROBLEM! works great can't get it to repeat.
Hours later, problem returns. Very hard shifting
can't find N. Have to force it from F to R

Help... could this be shift interrupter ??

What is the procedure for adjusting all cables?
I have the manual but it refers to an accessory manual
which I don't have.

If the problem would persist, I am sure I can find it
but when it works well most of the time, it is
hard to diagnose.


-Almus

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-Almus Kenter @Home
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" carpe per diem "

Sounds like what is happening is the engine is not idling down properly. If
the rpms are too high (2000 in neutral is too high) you will have a very
hard time shifting.
Not sure why it would only do it intermittently. I would assume some sensor
is going bad.
In the interim - If the problem occurs - just turn the engine off and then
shift to neutral and then recrank. My guess is it will correct itself once
you turn the key off. Inidicating it is some kind of electrical sensor.
Don't try to force it like you have been doing. This will definetly tear up
something (gears/clutch dog). Just turn it off and then recrank.

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Tony
my boats and cars at http://t.thomas.home.mchsi.com

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"almus" wrote in message
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I have a 99 evinrude 225xi w/ intermittent shift problem.
Very hard shifting from F to N and to R.

A couple of times managed to get it into N and
RPMs went high (~2000rpm). One time
engine code light was set; but then went off.

I turn off boat and restart later and
NO PROBLEM! works great can't get it to repeat.
Hours later, problem returns. Very hard shifting
can't find N. Have to force it from F to R

Help... could this be shift interrupter ??

What is the procedure for adjusting all cables?
I have the manual but it refers to an accessory manual
which I don't have.

If the problem would persist, I am sure I can find it
but when it works well most of the time, it is
hard to diagnose.


-Almus

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-Almus Kenter @Home
******************************
" carpe per diem "

On Sun, 22 May 2005 06:50:05 -0500, almus
wrote:

Help... could this be shift interrupter ??

I sometimes have this problem with a 2000 FICHT, but it's not often.
It's usually a cable adjustment and if I can find my service manual
this afternoon I'll follow up.

Unless Bill shows up first with an answer.

Later,

Tom

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2005 06:50:05 -0500, almus
wrote:

Help... could this be shift interrupter ??

I sometimes have this problem with a 2000 FICHT, but it's not often.
It's usually a cable adjustment and if I can find my service manual
this afternoon I'll follow up.

Unless Bill shows up first with an answer.

Later,

Tom



I have the manual, but the manual says I need the "accessory" manual to adjust the cables.

I also have the ficht software, but as Murphy dictates, I am having problems with my
serial port on my laptop.

I removed and checked the interrupt switch, VOM says it is good.
I reinstalled it and during the shifting process it is *never* actuated.
The switch clips in to a bracket that is spring loaded and appears
like it is supposed to be compressed during the shifting process.
I had it connected to the VOM and it is never compressed.

I don't see any cam like behavior or any piece that has any
cam like eccentricity.


Thanks for your suggestions and help.


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-Almus Kenter @Home
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" carpe per diem "

I managed to get the ficht software running.

Error code is intermittent 28...which is the shift switch
was stuck *on* for some time.
It suggests that I readjust cables and check/lube switch.

I am still not convinced the switch is working
anymore on account of my studying the whole
mechanism.

I am in the north east....at least I am not missing
any good weather!

-A

On Sun, 22 May 2005 12:09:14 -0500, almus
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2005 06:50:05 -0500, almus
wrote:

Help... could this be shift interrupter ??

I sometimes have this problem with a 2000 FICHT, but it's not often.
It's usually a cable adjustment and if I can find my service manual
this afternoon I'll follow up.

Unless Bill shows up first with an answer.

Later,

Tom



I have the manual, but the manual says I need the "accessory" manual to adjust the cables.

I also have the ficht software, but as Murphy dictates, I am having problems with my
serial port on my laptop.

I removed and checked the interrupt switch, VOM says it is good.
I reinstalled it and during the shifting process it is *never* actuated.
The switch clips in to a bracket that is spring loaded and appears
like it is supposed to be compressed during the shifting process.
I had it connected to the VOM and it is never compressed.

I don't see any cam like behavior or any piece that has any
cam like eccentricity.

Ah - well, if you get the laptop to talk to the EMM, look for an
interrupt fault - I can't remember the code, but it's 25 or 28 - I
still can't find my manual. :)

If it pops up with the interrupt code, then it's a cable adjustment to
the interrupt switch.

Later,

Tom

On 22 May 2005 10:50:15 -0700, "almus" wrote:

I managed to get the ficht software running.

Error code is intermittent 28...which is the shift switch
was stuck *on* for some time.
It suggests that I readjust cables and check/lube switch.

I am still not convinced the switch is working
anymore on account of my studying the whole
mechanism.

I am in the north east....at least I am not missing
any good weather!

Does it look anything like this?

Later,

Tom

"almus" wrote in message
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I have a 99 evinrude 225xi w/ intermittent shift problem.
Very hard shifting from F to N and to R.

A couple of times managed to get it into N and
RPMs went high (~2000rpm). One time
engine code light was set; but then went off.

I turn off boat and restart later and
NO PROBLEM! works great can't get it to repeat.
Hours later, problem returns. Very hard shifting
can't find N. Have to force it from F to R

If the problem would persist, I am sure I can find it
but when it works well most of the time, it is
hard to diagnose.



It does sound like a sticking interputer switch or stiff bushings in the
engine linkage. Any time a CHECK ENGINE lite comes on, an error code is
saved inside the motor's computer. It is accessable with a laptop or PDA and
the appropriate software and interface cable. See a knowledgeable tech.

The interupter switch only works when shifting out of gear into neutral, and
only when in the water with a propeller on the engine, it will not operate
when the motor is running on the flusher.

Remove the control cable and move the motor shift linkage by hand while
turning the prop to line things up. It should shift freely with 2 fingers on
the shift lever mounting stud. If not, remove the gearcase shift rod screw
and try again. If it is now smooth, then the shift rod most likely is
binding inside the gearcase cover where the oring seals it.

The switch should move freely inside its holder. Look for any burrs or nicks
in either the plastic or the metal that could restrict movement.

Make sure the boat's shift cable is adjusted correctly with an even "throw"
between forward and reverse. If the problem developed soon after any
gearcase or water pump work, perhaps the shfit rod height adjustment is
incorrect.

If you do it yourself, make sure you follow the factory service manual step
by step.

Bill Grannis
service manager

Bill,

Thanks for your reply. I do have the Ficht software and it did indeed
set a
"soft" code for the interrupt switch. (I think it was code 28)

I have not done any work that affected the shift rod in a while; H20
pump was
over 1 year ago and had a full season with no problems shifting.

WIth the boat out of the water, I hooked a meter to the interrupt
switch
and cycled through the gears. I never saw the shift interrupt switch
get depressed. Are you saying that it will only activate when the
engine is under load at the prop? What is the mechanism for this
to engage when the boat only is in gear under load? I examined the
mechanism
that holds the switch and it seems fine.

Of course the real difficulty in diagnosing it is that most of the time
it works
fine.

The problem seemed to be more pronounced after running in gear for
some
time, then as I am getting close to the dock I have difficulty putting
it in
neutral. I can force it into reverse but it won't find neutral.

After a bit of a harrowing docking procedure, I turn the boat off and
re-start. I am tied to the dock and I cycle it between F-N-R.
Everything
works just as God and Ole would want it to. Try as I might I
can't get it to repeat under controlled circumstances.

I have the boat out of the water now. Shifting by hand while turning
the prop seems to be OK; I sense no binding in the shift rod,
but I will investigate it further.

Thanks for your advice; if you have any more please send it along.


-Almus

Well, I am convinced that the interrupt switch mechanism is perfect.
I now understand perfectly how it works.

I am now assuming that what occurs when I have
the difficult shifting is:

The engine does not throttle down correctly; it is staying
at ~2000rpm.

So even though the interrupt switch drops three cylinders,
the engine is still running way too fast for the load to be
off the shifting mechanism.


So what causes Ficht rpms to stay high?

Leaking fuel lift pump diaphram??

Faulty TPS??



Why would it not be consistent?

And how to diagnose it when it is intermittent?




Help!

-Almus

On 26 May 2005 09:36:32 -0700, "almus" wrote:

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Leaking fuel lift pump diaphram??

Are you getting an excessive amount of oil/gas in your engine pan from
the air baffle?

If so, the gas line may be leaking and it might be one of those
situational things. A friend of mine has the same FICHT I have and
had a really interesting problem in which the fuel line had a teeny
little split and it dumped fuel into the baffle which caused the
engine to do much the same as your describing.

The only other thing I can think of based on my limited experience
with FICHT engine repairs (~~ snicker ~~) is that the pump itself may
be hiccupping for one reason or another.

Sorry - can't do better than that.

Later,

Tom

Tom,

Thanks for your info. I called Bombardier tech support. They are
actually pretty good to deal with; no wait on hold.
You get directly connected to technical folks.

They suggested that either
the fuel pump diaphragm was leaking (#1 possible cause)

or that the TPS was screwey (much less likely).

The leaking diaphragm would however make it run fast after
the engine was sitting...just the opposite of what I see.

I will check the fuel lift pump vacuum lines. If they
are full of fuel I will have my culprit, if not I will probably
button up the motor and go fishing.

On 26 May 2005 10:08:38 -0700, "almus" wrote:

Thanks for your info. I called Bombardier tech support. They are
actually pretty good to deal with; no wait on hold.
You get directly connected to technical folks.

They are terrific folks aren't they?

Glad you have an idea of the problem. Good luck with it.

Later,

Tom