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Grady White experts - why the anomaly?
Below are the performance specs for the 228 Grady White with the F200 Yamaha followed by those with the F225 Yamaha. The data seem to indicate the F200 is a better performer. The recommended cruise RPM is 4000, but the F200 is *faster* than the F225. There is about a 360lb difference in the accessory weight (from something??), but would this account for the difference? Also, what's the simple difference between a Yamaha 200 HPDI and the current engines. Is the HPDI a two or four stroke? I'm looking at an ad for a 2001 GW 228 w/Yamaha 200 HPDI engine for $31865. Back to the 228 Performance Data List Engine: F200 Yamaha Four-Stroke Test Date: 3/7/2002 Prop Size: 15 1/4" x 17" SWS Accessory Weight: 961 lb. (including fuel, persons & gear) Hardtop: No Bow Pulpit: No Optimum Cruise: 28 MPH @ 4000 RPM Top Recommended RPM: 5000 - 6000 Performance Tests at Optimum Conditions RPM MPH GPH MPG 1000 4.6 0.9 5.1 1500 6.3 1.5 4.2 2000 7.9 2.4 3.3 2500 8.5 4.1 2.1 3000 14.2 5.2 2.7 3500 22.6 6.6 3.4 4000 28 8.1 3.5 4500 32.7 9.8 3.3 5000 36.1 12.9 2.8 5500 40.2 15.9 2.5 6000 44.1 18.9 2.3 Engine: F225 Yamaha Four-Stroke Test Date: 6/19/2001 Prop Size: 15 1/4" x 17" SSM Accessory Weight: 1322 lb. (including fuel, persons & gear) Hardtop: Yes Bow Pulpit: No Optimum Cruise: 27.2 MPH @ 4000 RPM Top Recommended RPM: 5000 - 6000 Performance Tests at Optimum Conditions RPM MPH GPH MPG 1000 5.2 1 5.2 1500 6.7 1.56 4.3 2000 8.3 2.35 3.5 2500 9.2 3.6 2.6 3000 14.1 4.25 3.3 3500 20.1 6.26 3.2 4000 27.2 8.06 3.4 4500 31.75 9.91 3.2 5000 35.7 12.51 2.9 5500 39.7 16.4 2.4 6000 43.2 19.02 2.3 -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
John H wrote: Below are the performance specs for the 228 Grady White with the F200 Yamaha followed by those with the F225 Yamaha. The data seem to indicate the F200 is a better performer. The recommended cruise RPM is 4000, but the F200 is *faster* than the F225. There is about a 360lb difference in the accessory weight (from something??), but would this account for the difference? Also, what's the simple difference between a Yamaha 200 HPDI and the current engines. Is the HPDI a two or four stroke? I'm looking at an ad for a 2001 GW 228 w/Yamaha 200 HPDI engine for $31865. I'd bet money on the weight. Take your boat out for a run, take notice of speed, etc. Then add 360 lbs. at the transom, and try again. |
On Thu, 19 May 2005 10:30:30 -0400, "Harry.Krause"
wrote: John H wrote: Below are the performance specs for the 228 Grady White with the F200 Yamaha followed by those with the F225 Yamaha. The data seem to indicate the F200 is a better performer. The recommended cruise RPM is 4000, but the F200 is *faster* than the F225. There is about a 360lb difference in the accessory weight (from something??), but would this account for the difference? Also, what's the simple difference between a Yamaha 200 HPDI and the current engines. Is the HPDI a two or four stroke? I'm looking at an ad for a 2001 GW 228 w/Yamaha 200 HPDI engine for $31865. Back to the 228 Performance Data List Engine: F200 Yamaha Four-Stroke Test Date: 3/7/2002 Prop Size: 15 1/4" x 17" SWS Accessory Weight: 961 lb. (including fuel, persons & gear) Hardtop: No Bow Pulpit: No Optimum Cruise: 28 MPH @ 4000 RPM Top Recommended RPM: 5000 - 6000 Performance Tests at Optimum Conditions RPM MPH GPH MPG 1000 4.6 0.9 5.1 1500 6.3 1.5 4.2 2000 7.9 2.4 3.3 2500 8.5 4.1 2.1 3000 14.2 5.2 2.7 3500 22.6 6.6 3.4 4000 28 8.1 3.5 4500 32.7 9.8 3.3 5000 36.1 12.9 2.8 5500 40.2 15.9 2.5 6000 44.1 18.9 2.3 Engine: F225 Yamaha Four-Stroke Test Date: 6/19/2001 Prop Size: 15 1/4" x 17" SSM Accessory Weight: 1322 lb. (including fuel, persons & gear) Hardtop: Yes Bow Pulpit: No Optimum Cruise: 27.2 MPH @ 4000 RPM Top Recommended RPM: 5000 - 6000 Performance Tests at Optimum Conditions RPM MPH GPH MPG 1000 5.2 1 5.2 1500 6.7 1.56 4.3 2000 8.3 2.35 3.5 2500 9.2 3.6 2.6 3000 14.1 4.25 3.3 3500 20.1 6.26 3.2 4000 27.2 8.06 3.4 4500 31.75 9.91 3.2 5000 35.7 12.51 2.9 5500 39.7 16.4 2.4 6000 43.2 19.02 2.3 Nearly 400 pounds is two people. Yeah, that would make a diff. The HDPI is Yamaha's hi-tech two stroke. Air temp makes a difference, as does wave condition. My guess is that on the same day, on the same boat, the 225 would be a hair faster than the 200. On my Parker, going from a 225 to a 250 isn't worth the trouble. But going from a 225 to a 300 might be. BTW, wny buy that clapped out Grady when for about twice the price, you can buy my almost new Parker? With a flushing toilet, refrigerator, sink with fresh water, et cetera? Twice the price is the problem! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
Harry,
Why are you selling your Parker? "Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... John H wrote: Below are the performance specs for the 228 Grady White with the F200 Yamaha followed by those with the F225 Yamaha. The data seem to indicate the F200 is a better performer. The recommended cruise RPM is 4000, but the F200 is *faster* than the F225. There is about a 360lb difference in the accessory weight (from something??), but would this account for the difference? Also, what's the simple difference between a Yamaha 200 HPDI and the current engines. Is the HPDI a two or four stroke? I'm looking at an ad for a 2001 GW 228 w/Yamaha 200 HPDI engine for $31865. Back to the 228 Performance Data List Engine: F200 Yamaha Four-Stroke Test Date: 3/7/2002 Prop Size: 15 1/4" x 17" SWS Accessory Weight: 961 lb. (including fuel, persons & gear) Hardtop: No Bow Pulpit: No Optimum Cruise: 28 MPH @ 4000 RPM Top Recommended RPM: 5000 - 6000 Performance Tests at Optimum Conditions RPM MPH GPH MPG 1000 4.6 0.9 5.1 1500 6.3 1.5 4.2 2000 7.9 2.4 3.3 2500 8.5 4.1 2.1 3000 14.2 5.2 2.7 3500 22.6 6.6 3.4 4000 28 8.1 3.5 4500 32.7 9.8 3.3 5000 36.1 12.9 2.8 5500 40.2 15.9 2.5 6000 44.1 18.9 2.3 Engine: F225 Yamaha Four-Stroke Test Date: 6/19/2001 Prop Size: 15 1/4" x 17" SSM Accessory Weight: 1322 lb. (including fuel, persons & gear) Hardtop: Yes Bow Pulpit: No Optimum Cruise: 27.2 MPH @ 4000 RPM Top Recommended RPM: 5000 - 6000 Performance Tests at Optimum Conditions RPM MPH GPH MPG 1000 5.2 1 5.2 1500 6.7 1.56 4.3 2000 8.3 2.35 3.5 2500 9.2 3.6 2.6 3000 14.1 4.25 3.3 3500 20.1 6.26 3.2 4000 27.2 8.06 3.4 4500 31.75 9.91 3.2 5000 35.7 12.51 2.9 5500 39.7 16.4 2.4 6000 43.2 19.02 2.3 Nearly 400 pounds is two people. Yeah, that would make a diff. The HDPI is Yamaha's hi-tech two stroke. Air temp makes a difference, as does wave condition. My guess is that on the same day, on the same boat, the 225 would be a hair faster than the 200. On my Parker, going from a 225 to a 250 isn't worth the trouble. But going from a 225 to a 300 might be. BTW, wny buy that clapped out Grady when for about twice the price, you can buy my almost new Parker? With a flushing toilet, refrigerator, sink with fresh water, et cetera? |
Hardtop on the 225.
"John H" wrote in message ... Below are the performance specs for the 228 Grady White with the F200 Yamaha followed by those with the F225 Yamaha. The data seem to indicate the F200 is a better performer. The recommended cruise RPM is 4000, but the F200 is *faster* than the F225. There is about a 360lb difference in the accessory weight (from something??), but would this account for the difference? Also, what's the simple difference between a Yamaha 200 HPDI and the current engines. Is the HPDI a two or four stroke? I'm looking at an ad for a 2001 GW 228 w/Yamaha 200 HPDI engine for $31865. Back to the 228 Performance Data List Engine: F200 Yamaha Four-Stroke Test Date: 3/7/2002 Prop Size: 15 1/4" x 17" SWS Accessory Weight: 961 lb. (including fuel, persons & gear) Hardtop: No Bow Pulpit: No Optimum Cruise: 28 MPH @ 4000 RPM Top Recommended RPM: 5000 - 6000 Performance Tests at Optimum Conditions RPM MPH GPH MPG 1000 4.6 0.9 5.1 1500 6.3 1.5 4.2 2000 7.9 2.4 3.3 2500 8.5 4.1 2.1 3000 14.2 5.2 2.7 3500 22.6 6.6 3.4 4000 28 8.1 3.5 4500 32.7 9.8 3.3 5000 36.1 12.9 2.8 5500 40.2 15.9 2.5 6000 44.1 18.9 2.3 Engine: F225 Yamaha Four-Stroke Test Date: 6/19/2001 Prop Size: 15 1/4" x 17" SSM Accessory Weight: 1322 lb. (including fuel, persons & gear) Hardtop: Yes Bow Pulpit: No Optimum Cruise: 27.2 MPH @ 4000 RPM Top Recommended RPM: 5000 - 6000 Performance Tests at Optimum Conditions RPM MPH GPH MPG 1000 5.2 1 5.2 1500 6.7 1.56 4.3 2000 8.3 2.35 3.5 2500 9.2 3.6 2.6 3000 14.1 4.25 3.3 3500 20.1 6.26 3.2 4000 27.2 8.06 3.4 4500 31.75 9.91 3.2 5000 35.7 12.51 2.9 5500 39.7 16.4 2.4 6000 43.2 19.02 2.3 -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
wrote in message oups.com... John H wrote: Below are the performance specs for the 228 Grady White with the F200 Yamaha followed by those with the F225 Yamaha. The data seem to indicate the F200 is a better performer. The recommended cruise RPM is 4000, but the F200 is *faster* than the F225. There is about a 360lb difference in the accessory weight (from something??), but would this account for the difference? Also, what's the simple difference between a Yamaha 200 HPDI and the current engines. Is the HPDI a two or four stroke? I'm looking at an ad for a 2001 GW 228 w/Yamaha 200 HPDI engine for $31865. I'd bet money on the weight. Take your boat out for a run, take notice of speed, etc. Then add 360 lbs. at the transom, and try again. Weight has some effect...but not as much as the hardtop on the boat with the 225 (the 200hp-powered boat had no hardtop). Hardtops add weight *and* drag. |
On Thu, 19 May 2005 10:11:50 -0400, John H
wrote: Below are the performance specs for the 228 Grady White with the F200 Yamaha followed by those with the F225 Yamaha. The data seem to indicate the F200 is a better performer. The recommended cruise RPM is 4000, but the F200 is *faster* than the F225. There is about a 360lb difference in the accessory weight (from something??), but would this account for the difference? It's the hardtop. Also, what's the simple difference between a Yamaha 200 HPDI and the current engines. Is the HPDI a two or four stroke? I'm looking at an ad for a 2001 GW 228 w/Yamaha 200 HPDI engine for $31865. The HPDI is a two stroke direct injected engine and for my money much better technology. TWO STROKE RULES!!! :) Later, Tom |
On Thu, 19 May 2005 10:11:50 -0400, John H
wrote: Below are the performance specs for the 228 Grady White with the F200 Yamaha followed by those with the F225 Yamaha. Outboards are for entry-level boaters. Me and the wife http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/harkra...bum?.dir=/1323 |
Hardtop wind drag and weight are the differences.
HPDI is Yamaha Direct Fuel Injection. Personally I would pass on this rig as longevity of the HPDI engine vs maintenance cost is going to be a lot more than a 4 stroke or original fuel injection 2 stroke. For $30k you can find a good boat w/ a different engine. -- Tony my boats and cars at http://t.thomas.home.mchsi.com - "John H" wrote in message ... Below are the performance specs for the 228 Grady White with the F200 Yamaha followed by those with the F225 Yamaha. The data seem to indicate the F200 is a better performer. The recommended cruise RPM is 4000, but the F200 is *faster* than the F225. There is about a 360lb difference in the accessory weight (from something??), but would this account for the difference? Also, what's the simple difference between a Yamaha 200 HPDI and the current engines. Is the HPDI a two or four stroke? I'm looking at an ad for a 2001 GW 228 w/Yamaha 200 HPDI engine for $31865. Back to the 228 Performance Data List Engine: F200 Yamaha Four-Stroke Test Date: 3/7/2002 Prop Size: 15 1/4" x 17" SWS Accessory Weight: 961 lb. (including fuel, persons & gear) Hardtop: No Bow Pulpit: No Optimum Cruise: 28 MPH @ 4000 RPM Top Recommended RPM: 5000 - 6000 Performance Tests at Optimum Conditions RPM MPH GPH MPG 1000 4.6 0.9 5.1 1500 6.3 1.5 4.2 2000 7.9 2.4 3.3 2500 8.5 4.1 2.1 3000 14.2 5.2 2.7 3500 22.6 6.6 3.4 4000 28 8.1 3.5 4500 32.7 9.8 3.3 5000 36.1 12.9 2.8 5500 40.2 15.9 2.5 6000 44.1 18.9 2.3 Engine: F225 Yamaha Four-Stroke Test Date: 6/19/2001 Prop Size: 15 1/4" x 17" SSM Accessory Weight: 1322 lb. (including fuel, persons & gear) Hardtop: Yes Bow Pulpit: No Optimum Cruise: 27.2 MPH @ 4000 RPM Top Recommended RPM: 5000 - 6000 Performance Tests at Optimum Conditions RPM MPH GPH MPG 1000 5.2 1 5.2 1500 6.7 1.56 4.3 2000 8.3 2.35 3.5 2500 9.2 3.6 2.6 3000 14.1 4.25 3.3 3500 20.1 6.26 3.2 4000 27.2 8.06 3.4 4500 31.75 9.91 3.2 5000 35.7 12.51 2.9 5500 39.7 16.4 2.4 6000 43.2 19.02 2.3 -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
On Thu, 19 May 2005 22:33:32 GMT, "tony thomas" wrote:
Hardtop wind drag and weight are the differences. HPDI is Yamaha Direct Fuel Injection. Personally I would pass on this rig as longevity of the HPDI engine vs maintenance cost is going to be a lot more than a 4 stroke or original fuel injection 2 stroke. For $30k you can find a good boat w/ a different engine. Thanks for the advice. I *really* like the layout of the GW 228. It's got a lot of room in the back end because of the Grady Transom configuration. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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