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I currently sail a 28' sailboat. The mast gets heavier every year (it can't be me getting older). On the other hand I fill the 20 gallon tank once/season, and usually have something left over. Recently I've been thinking (gasp) Power Cruiser. I know little about these. I think maybe 25' or so would give me comparable space to my sailboat. I'd also like an enclosed helm to both extend the season, and get out of the sun a little more (had a chunk taken out of my hide a couple of years ago) Motorsailors are out of my price range. So I look to you all for advice and counsel. 1 engine or 2, I/B or O/B, Aluminum or Glass? I like slow and steady so more power doesn't really impress me -- I have 30 HP in my sailboat. Fuel cost is also a factor. IF I had a place to sleep, keep my beer cold, cook (minimally) and s,s,s&s, I'd be happy. (The shave, shower and shine could be done ashore) Somehow I like older boats. Current is a 72. I have no need to impress my dockmate. Price is a definite factor. Trailerable would be nice, but I don't want to have to buy a new truck to haul it; I belong to a YC with a co-op haulout, and the trailer would have minimal use. Boating would be on the Great (and they are) lakes -- Lake Ontario to be specific. Advice is welcome -- please tell me all the good/bad/ugly of various boats. What do you think would best fit my needs. |
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Hi Jim,
You have been a 'sail boat guy' and I am a 'small outboard skiff guy' but we have been thinking about the same thing. I think that fiberglass would be more common but not that there is anything wrong with aluminum as long as it is at least .100" and all welded. I would look for something that has not been in the salt water for years. I would also love to find something with a small diesel motor. You can go to a web site like "boat trader online" and put in some parameters. 1970 to 2004 24 to 26 feet Diesel $10,000 - $40,000? -- Bill Kiene Kiene's Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA Web site: www.kiene.com "Jim" wrote in message ... I currently sail a 28' sailboat. The mast gets heavier every year (it can't be me getting older). On the other hand I fill the 20 gallon tank once/season, and usually have something left over. Recently I've been thinking (gasp) Power Cruiser. I know little about these. I think maybe 25' or so would give me comparable space to my sailboat. I'd also like an enclosed helm to both extend the season, and get out of the sun a little more (had a chunk taken out of my hide a couple of years ago) Motorsailors are out of my price range. So I look to you all for advice and counsel. 1 engine or 2, I/B or O/B, Aluminum or Glass? I like slow and steady so more power doesn't really impress me -- I have 30 HP in my sailboat. Fuel cost is also a factor. IF I had a place to sleep, keep my beer cold, cook (minimally) and s,s,s&s, I'd be happy. (The shave, shower and shine could be done ashore) Somehow I like older boats. Current is a 72. I have no need to impress my dockmate. Price is a definite factor. Trailerable would be nice, but I don't want to have to buy a new truck to haul it; I belong to a YC with a co-op haulout, and the trailer would have minimal use. Boating would be on the Great (and they are) lakes -- Lake Ontario to be specific. Advice is welcome -- please tell me all the good/bad/ugly of various boats. What do you think would best fit my needs. |
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Hmmmm... I wonder, in your case, if you could simply take all of the sailing
paraphernalia off of your present boat...and just use her for a slow, but stable power boat? You'd have to add fuel capacity...but nothing else that I can think of?? What do you think? regards, RichG http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffOwners |
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Great lakes are wonderful. Having your boat on the trailer allows you to
dunk it in what ever water system you want that particular weekend. I do exactly what you are wanting to do. I have had dozens of different size boats for this area and the one I have now is the most practical and fun. I have a 26 footer that is around 1970, nice and heavy for these choppy waters. Solid hull. I ripped out the I/O and put on an outboard. Mine is a 225hp FICHT but I like to trailer all over the place. Especially an annual trip to the keys. We do the down rigging, we do the out rigging and flat lining. There are a lot of older style boats that are perfect for what your looking for in your particular area. Many many. Grab the RV magazine and do some research. Do not buy the first boat you see. And any repairs you do, do them yourself as when you get out in the middle of that lake, you turn the key and nothing happens, you will know how to make it happen. I also have a 9.9 kicker that we use mostly as we downrig or cruise, much easier for the ears, fuel consumption, and prolongs the life of the plugs of the main engine. I also do not go near a marina, I know most of the marina owners in your area and I wouldn't get them to provide change from a dollar. Most operate their business in an unethical manner. You can reverse the old theory that a boat is simply a hole in the water that one pours money. Try to do as much as you can yourself. Leaving the boat on a trailer and in your driveway for example is a very smart idea also. You do not have to unload all your expensive fishing and boating equipment and you do not have to worry about people stealing the stuff as much should it be left at the marina. Like I said earlier, when the pickerel are biting in lake Erie, you go there, when the rainbows are biting in Ontario, you go there. We also have the wonderful opportunity of selecting which water system to boat in as is one is rough, you go to the others. There are hundreds of very good boat ramps in our area. Good luck Your on the right track. "Jim" wrote in message ... I currently sail a 28' sailboat. The mast gets heavier every year (it can't be me getting older). On the other hand I fill the 20 gallon tank once/season, and usually have something left over. Recently I've been thinking (gasp) Power Cruiser. I know little about these. I think maybe 25' or so would give me comparable space to my sailboat. I'd also like an enclosed helm to both extend the season, and get out of the sun a little more (had a chunk taken out of my hide a couple of years ago) Motorsailors are out of my price range. So I look to you all for advice and counsel. 1 engine or 2, I/B or O/B, Aluminum or Glass? I like slow and steady so more power doesn't really impress me -- I have 30 HP in my sailboat. Fuel cost is also a factor. IF I had a place to sleep, keep my beer cold, cook (minimally) and s,s,s&s, I'd be happy. (The shave, shower and shine could be done ashore) Somehow I like older boats. Current is a 72. I have no need to impress my dockmate. Price is a definite factor. Trailerable would be nice, but I don't want to have to buy a new truck to haul it; I belong to a YC with a co-op haulout, and the trailer would have minimal use. Boating would be on the Great (and they are) lakes -- Lake Ontario to be specific. Advice is welcome -- please tell me all the good/bad/ugly of various boats. What do you think would best fit my needs. |
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RichG wrote:
Hmmmm... I wonder, in your case, if you could simply take all of the sailing paraphernalia off of your present boat...and just use her for a slow, but stable power boat? You'd have to add fuel capacity...but nothing else that I can think of?? What do you think? It's a good idea but it takes a very strong willed person to go against popular opinion. You could even add a pilothouse & more fuel tankage. One of the nicest cruising boats I have been aboard is a Morgan Out Island with the sailing rig chopped short, a pilothouse and a stern platform and some other stuff added, and about half the ballast keel sawed off. It was nowhere near as expensive as a "real" trawler style yacht with the same accomodation would have been, and a lot more practical most ways. It was a better looking boat IMHO than the Out Island it started life as, too. FB Doug King |
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I want to be you when I grow up!
Grissy " Tuuk" wrote in message ... Great lakes are wonderful. Having your boat on the trailer allows you to dunk it in what ever water system you want that particular weekend. I do exactly what you are wanting to do. I have had dozens of different size boats for this area and the one I have now is the most practical and fun. I have a 26 footer that is around 1970, nice and heavy for these choppy waters. Solid hull. I ripped out the I/O and put on an outboard. Mine is a 225hp FICHT but I like to trailer all over the place. Especially an annual trip to the keys. We do the down rigging, we do the out rigging and flat lining. There are a lot of older style boats that are perfect for what your looking for in your particular area. Many many. Grab the RV magazine and do some research. Do not buy the first boat you see. And any repairs you do, do them yourself as when you get out in the middle of that lake, you turn the key and nothing happens, you will know how to make it happen. I also have a 9.9 kicker that we use mostly as we downrig or cruise, much easier for the ears, fuel consumption, and prolongs the life of the plugs of the main engine. I also do not go near a marina, I know most of the marina owners in your area and I wouldn't get them to provide change from a dollar. Most operate their business in an unethical manner. You can reverse the old theory that a boat is simply a hole in the water that one pours money. Try to do as much as you can yourself. Leaving the boat on a trailer and in your driveway for example is a very smart idea also. You do not have to unload all your expensive fishing and boating equipment and you do not have to worry about people stealing the stuff as much should it be left at the marina. Like I said earlier, when the pickerel are biting in lake Erie, you go there, when the rainbows are biting in Ontario, you go there. We also have the wonderful opportunity of selecting which water system to boat in as is one is rough, you go to the others. There are hundreds of very good boat ramps in our area. Good luck Your on the right track. "Jim" wrote in message ... I currently sail a 28' sailboat. The mast gets heavier every year (it can't be me getting older). On the other hand I fill the 20 gallon tank once/season, and usually have something left over. Recently I've been thinking (gasp) Power Cruiser. I know little about these. I think maybe 25' or so would give me comparable space to my sailboat. I'd also like an enclosed helm to both extend the season, and get out of the sun a little more (had a chunk taken out of my hide a couple of years ago) Motorsailors are out of my price range. So I look to you all for advice and counsel. 1 engine or 2, I/B or O/B, Aluminum or Glass? I like slow and steady so more power doesn't really impress me -- I have 30 HP in my sailboat. Fuel cost is also a factor. IF I had a place to sleep, keep my beer cold, cook (minimally) and s,s,s&s, I'd be happy. (The shave, shower and shine could be done ashore) Somehow I like older boats. Current is a 72. I have no need to impress my dockmate. Price is a definite factor. Trailerable would be nice, but I don't want to have to buy a new truck to haul it; I belong to a YC with a co-op haulout, and the trailer would have minimal use. Boating would be on the Great (and they are) lakes -- Lake Ontario to be specific. Advice is welcome -- please tell me all the good/bad/ugly of various boats. What do you think would best fit my needs. |
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I don't think the world can handle two of me at this time. One is scary
enough. "Griss" wrote in message ... I want to be you when I grow up! Grissy " Tuuk" wrote in message ... Great lakes are wonderful. Having your boat on the trailer allows you to dunk it in what ever water system you want that particular weekend. I do exactly what you are wanting to do. I have had dozens of different size boats for this area and the one I have now is the most practical and fun. I have a 26 footer that is around 1970, nice and heavy for these choppy waters. Solid hull. I ripped out the I/O and put on an outboard. Mine is a 225hp FICHT but I like to trailer all over the place. Especially an annual trip to the keys. We do the down rigging, we do the out rigging and flat lining. There are a lot of older style boats that are perfect for what your looking for in your particular area. Many many. Grab the RV magazine and do some research. Do not buy the first boat you see. And any repairs you do, do them yourself as when you get out in the middle of that lake, you turn the key and nothing happens, you will know how to make it happen. I also have a 9.9 kicker that we use mostly as we downrig or cruise, much easier for the ears, fuel consumption, and prolongs the life of the plugs of the main engine. I also do not go near a marina, I know most of the marina owners in your area and I wouldn't get them to provide change from a dollar. Most operate their business in an unethical manner. You can reverse the old theory that a boat is simply a hole in the water that one pours money. Try to do as much as you can yourself. Leaving the boat on a trailer and in your driveway for example is a very smart idea also. You do not have to unload all your expensive fishing and boating equipment and you do not have to worry about people stealing the stuff as much should it be left at the marina. Like I said earlier, when the pickerel are biting in lake Erie, you go there, when the rainbows are biting in Ontario, you go there. We also have the wonderful opportunity of selecting which water system to boat in as is one is rough, you go to the others. There are hundreds of very good boat ramps in our area. Good luck Your on the right track. "Jim" wrote in message ... I currently sail a 28' sailboat. The mast gets heavier every year (it can't be me getting older). On the other hand I fill the 20 gallon tank once/season, and usually have something left over. Recently I've been thinking (gasp) Power Cruiser. I know little about these. I think maybe 25' or so would give me comparable space to my sailboat. I'd also like an enclosed helm to both extend the season, and get out of the sun a little more (had a chunk taken out of my hide a couple of years ago) Motorsailors are out of my price range. So I look to you all for advice and counsel. 1 engine or 2, I/B or O/B, Aluminum or Glass? I like slow and steady so more power doesn't really impress me -- I have 30 HP in my sailboat. Fuel cost is also a factor. IF I had a place to sleep, keep my beer cold, cook (minimally) and s,s,s&s, I'd be happy. (The shave, shower and shine could be done ashore) Somehow I like older boats. Current is a 72. I have no need to impress my dockmate. Price is a definite factor. Trailerable would be nice, but I don't want to have to buy a new truck to haul it; I belong to a YC with a co-op haulout, and the trailer would have minimal use. Boating would be on the Great (and they are) lakes -- Lake Ontario to be specific. Advice is welcome -- please tell me all the good/bad/ugly of various boats. What do you think would best fit my needs. |
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In article , " Tuuk" wrote:
Leaving the boat on a trailer and in your driveway for example is a very smart idea also. You do not have to unload all your expensive fishing and boating equipment and you do not have to worry about people stealing the stuff as much should it be left at the marina Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America... |
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On 7 Apr 2004 04:13:36 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:
(Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message thlink.net... In article , " Tuuk" wrote: Leaving the boat on a trailer and in your driveway for example is a very smart idea also. You do not have to unload all your expensive fishing and boating equipment and you do not have to worry about people stealing the stuff as much should it be left at the marina Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America... Wrong, again, fool: http://www.morganquitno.com/DANG00RANK.htm According to your cite, Maryland is #1 when it comes to robbery. Old data to be sure, but you're the one who posted it. And since the comment was about stealing, the robbery stat is apropos. Steve |
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Ya,, well I never did think Asskisser was too smart. Your proof of this is
interesting but unnecessary, we all knew of his lack of intelligence,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,long ago. "Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message ... On 7 Apr 2004 04:13:36 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message thlink.net... In article , " Tuuk" wrote: Leaving the boat on a trailer and in your driveway for example is a very smart idea also. You do not have to unload all your expensive fishing and boating equipment and you do not have to worry about people stealing the stuff as much should it be left at the marina Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America... Wrong, again, fool: http://www.morganquitno.com/DANG00RANK.htm According to your cite, Maryland is #1 when it comes to robbery. Old data to be sure, but you're the one who posted it. And since the comment was about stealing, the robbery stat is apropos. Steve |
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In article , (Steven Shelikoff) wrote:
On 7 Apr 2004 04:13:36 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message thlink.net... In article , " Tuuk" wrote: Leaving the boat on a trailer and in your driveway for example is a very smart idea also. You do not have to unload all your expensive fishing and boating equipment and you do not have to worry about people stealing the stuff as much should it be left at the marina Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America... Wrong, again, fool: http://www.morganquitno.com/DANG00RANK.htm According to your cite, Maryland is #1 when it comes to robbery. Old data to be sure, but you're the one who posted it. And since the comment was about stealing, the robbery stat is apropos. Steve LOL |
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(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ...
On 7 Apr 2004 04:13:36 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message thlink.net... In article , " Tuuk" wrote: Leaving the boat on a trailer and in your driveway for example is a very smart idea also. You do not have to unload all your expensive fishing and boating equipment and you do not have to worry about people stealing the stuff as much should it be left at the marina Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America... Wrong, again, fool: http://www.morganquitno.com/DANG00RANK.htm According to your cite, Maryland is #1 when it comes to robbery. Old data to be sure, but you're the one who posted it. And since the comment was about stealing, the robbery stat is apropos. Steve So, I take it you didn't bother to read the REST of the data? If you did, then you'd know that, clearly, Maryland is quite low in the crime scale, and a long, long way from being the "crime rate capital of America", as Henry the drunkard states. |
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" Tuuk" wrote in message ...
Ya,, well I never did think Asskisser was too smart. Your proof of this is interesting but unnecessary, we all knew of his lack of intelligence,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,long ago. Uh, Tuuk, you stupid, stupid man. If you bother to read all of the data, not just robbery, you'd know that Maryland is quite far from being "the crime rate capital of America", as Henry stated. |
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(Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message nk.net...
In article , (Steven Shelikoff) wrote: On 7 Apr 2004 04:13:36 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message thlink.net... In article , " Tuuk" wrote: Leaving the boat on a trailer and in your driveway for example is a very smart idea also. You do not have to unload all your expensive fishing and boating equipment and you do not have to worry about people stealing the stuff as much should it be left at the marina Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America... Wrong, again, fool: http://www.morganquitno.com/DANG00RANK.htm According to your cite, Maryland is #1 when it comes to robbery. Old data to be sure, but you're the one who posted it. And since the comment was about stealing, the robbery stat is apropos. Steve LOL Yes, it is quite funny!! If you bother to read all of the data, not just one column, and you weren't too drunk to comprehend, you'd see instantly that Maryland is FAR from the "crime capital of America", as YOU stated. |
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Leaving the boat on a trailer and in your driveway for example is a very
smart idea also. You do not have to unload all your expensive fishing and boating equipment and you do not have to worry about people stealing the stuff as much should it be left at the marina Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America... Wrong, again, fool: As you can see, the idiots on rec.boats are still around, ready to wreck a topic thread as soon as it appears. Back to your question, though. Far be it from me to sit here and write a 200-page treatise on boats. Just some random thoughts, based on 40+ years of boating: 1. Think twice about "older" boats, even if you think they're romantic. They can have all kinds of problems deep down inside o' there.. rotten transoms, cracked stringers, etc. Modern boat construction involves some really impressive technology; take advantage of it. 2. You get pretty much what you pay for. Stay away from Bayliners, VIPs and other "trash" brands. You'll save now, but pay later, not to mention being embarrassed when you pull into the marina surrounded by all the nice rigs, and the boys at the gas pumps don't even walk out to wait on you. Remember, boats are NOT cars. They're consumer products, like toasters and waffle irons, and the quality varies accordingly. 3. In your size range, be sure you have a vehicle you can tow it with, as well as haul it up and down a wet, slippery ramp. You're pretty much at the towing maximum in that size. 4. Also in that size range, consider a twin outboard - get the new 4-strokes - instead of one huge outboard. It's hard to beat the security a twin presents, especially on "big water" like that. Picture being out of sight of shore, with a dead motor, with black clouds approaching... 5. There are quite a few good-quality boats out there, so don't just look at the boat, look at *features*. Size/location of things like storage, fish boxes, instruments (are they protected?), etc. Washdown pump, bilge pump (check the size), rod holders, windows, etc. Check for standard equipment, too. Some boats come as almost bare hulls, and EVERYTHING is added-on. Others come loaded with everything in the book. Check utilization of interior space. From what you're describing, I'd take a good look at a Wellcraft Coastal. Ron M. |
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On 8 Apr 2004 07:19:33 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:
(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 7 Apr 2004 04:13:36 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message thlink.net... In article , " Tuuk" wrote: Leaving the boat on a trailer and in your driveway for example is a very smart idea also. You do not have to unload all your expensive fishing and boating equipment and you do not have to worry about people stealing the stuff as much should it be left at the marina Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America... Wrong, again, fool: http://www.morganquitno.com/DANG00RANK.htm According to your cite, Maryland is #1 when it comes to robbery. Old data to be sure, but you're the one who posted it. And since the comment was about stealing, the robbery stat is apropos. So, I take it you didn't bother to read the REST of the data? If you did, then you'd know that, clearly, Maryland is quite low in the crime scale, and a long, long way from being the "crime rate capital of America", as Henry the drunkard states. Of course I read the rest of the data. But since the comment was directed toward someone stealing stuff out of your boat while it's at home, the stats on murder, rape, etc., are meaningless. When it comes to robbery, Maryland is in fact the "crime rate capital of America". You're just whining like a baby because your own cite shows that your flame "Wrong, again, fool" was unwarranted. Steve |
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(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ...
On 8 Apr 2004 07:19:33 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 7 Apr 2004 04:13:36 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message thlink.net... In article , " Tuuk" wrote: Leaving the boat on a trailer and in your driveway for example is a very smart idea also. You do not have to unload all your expensive fishing and boating equipment and you do not have to worry about people stealing the stuff as much should it be left at the marina Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America... Wrong, again, fool: http://www.morganquitno.com/DANG00RANK.htm According to your cite, Maryland is #1 when it comes to robbery. Old data to be sure, but you're the one who posted it. And since the comment was about stealing, the robbery stat is apropos. So, I take it you didn't bother to read the REST of the data? If you did, then you'd know that, clearly, Maryland is quite low in the crime scale, and a long, long way from being the "crime rate capital of America", as Henry the drunkard states. Of course I read the rest of the data. But since the comment was directed toward someone stealing stuff out of your boat while it's at home, the stats on murder, rape, etc., are meaningless. When it comes to robbery, Maryland is in fact the "crime rate capital of America". You're just whining like a baby because your own cite shows that your flame "Wrong, again, fool" was unwarranted. Steve No, sorry, you are dead wrong. First of all, "stealing stuff out of your boat", is not robbery, to which you state that Maryland is #1 in. Secondly, the comment that I responded to was "Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America...". Now, that is an untrue, and groundless statement. So, yes, you ARE wrong again. |
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On 9 Apr 2004 04:12:46 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:
(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 8 Apr 2004 07:19:33 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 7 Apr 2004 04:13:36 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message thlink.net... In article , " Tuuk" wrote: Leaving the boat on a trailer and in your driveway for example is a very smart idea also. You do not have to unload all your expensive fishing and boating equipment and you do not have to worry about people stealing the stuff as much should it be left at the marina Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America... Wrong, again, fool: http://www.morganquitno.com/DANG00RANK.htm According to your cite, Maryland is #1 when it comes to robbery. Old data to be sure, but you're the one who posted it. And since the comment was about stealing, the robbery stat is apropos. So, I take it you didn't bother to read the REST of the data? If you did, then you'd know that, clearly, Maryland is quite low in the crime scale, and a long, long way from being the "crime rate capital of America", as Henry the drunkard states. Of course I read the rest of the data. But since the comment was directed toward someone stealing stuff out of your boat while it's at home, the stats on murder, rape, etc., are meaningless. When it comes to robbery, Maryland is in fact the "crime rate capital of America". You're just whining like a baby because your own cite shows that your flame "Wrong, again, fool" was unwarranted. No, sorry, you are dead wrong. First of all, "stealing stuff out of your boat", is not robbery, to which you state that Maryland is #1 in. It is if you're there. Secondly, the comment that I responded to was "Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America...". Now, that is an untrue, and groundless statement. So, yes, you ARE wrong again. Ah, good. More proof that you don't know how to follow a thread (as if we need any more of that by now) and didn't realize that the crime rate capital of America comment was directed toward stealing. Maybe you just need to unwind a little. You don't get the fact that people are now just yanking your chain because you react so funny to it. Smoke a little more of your homegrown. It might help. Steve |
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basskisser wrote:
(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 9 Apr 2004 04:12:46 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 8 Apr 2004 07:19:33 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 7 Apr 2004 04:13:36 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message thlink.net... In article , " Tuuk" wrote: Leaving the boat on a trailer and in your driveway for example is a very smart idea also. You do not have to unload all your expensive fishing and boating equipment and you do not have to worry about people stealing the stuff as much should it be left at the marina Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America... Wrong, again, fool: http://www.morganquitno.com/DANG00RANK.htm According to your cite, Maryland is #1 when it comes to robbery. Old data to be sure, but you're the one who posted it. And since the comment was about stealing, the robbery stat is apropos. So, I take it you didn't bother to read the REST of the data? If you did, then you'd know that, clearly, Maryland is quite low in the crime scale, and a long, long way from being the "crime rate capital of America", as Henry the drunkard states. Of course I read the rest of the data. But since the comment was directed toward someone stealing stuff out of your boat while it's at home, the stats on murder, rape, etc., are meaningless. When it comes to robbery, Maryland is in fact the "crime rate capital of America". You're just whining like a baby because your own cite shows that your flame "Wrong, again, fool" was unwarranted. No, sorry, you are dead wrong. First of all, "stealing stuff out of your boat", is not robbery, to which you state that Maryland is #1 in. It is if you're there. Secondly, the comment that I responded to was "Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America...". Now, that is an untrue, and groundless statement. So, yes, you ARE wrong again. Ah, good. More proof that you don't know how to follow a thread (as if we need any more of that by now) and didn't realize that the crime rate capital of America comment was directed toward stealing. Maybe you just need to unwind a little. You don't get the fact that people are now just yanking your chain because you react so funny to it. Smoke a little more of your homegrown. It might help. Steve Oh, horse****, Steve. YOU don't know how to follow a thread. Again, the comment I responded to, verbatim, was "Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America...." That is part of the thread, is it not? That is also the part that I replied about, is it not? Then, you responded to my post, with link, by saying that in that year, Maryland was tops in "robbery", did you not? First, the post was about THEFT, not ROBBERY. Big difference. Next, Maryland was not tops in theft, nor was it tops in overall crime, which is what the original thing that I responded to stated. What a dumb ass. Indeed, Theft and robbery are two different crimes. Bush committed a theft when he stole the election in 2000, and, bu doing so, he robbed us all of our democracy. |
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(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ...
On 9 Apr 2004 04:12:46 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 8 Apr 2004 07:19:33 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 7 Apr 2004 04:13:36 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message thlink.net... In article , " Tuuk" wrote: Leaving the boat on a trailer and in your driveway for example is a very smart idea also. You do not have to unload all your expensive fishing and boating equipment and you do not have to worry about people stealing the stuff as much should it be left at the marina Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America... Wrong, again, fool: http://www.morganquitno.com/DANG00RANK.htm According to your cite, Maryland is #1 when it comes to robbery. Old data to be sure, but you're the one who posted it. And since the comment was about stealing, the robbery stat is apropos. So, I take it you didn't bother to read the REST of the data? If you did, then you'd know that, clearly, Maryland is quite low in the crime scale, and a long, long way from being the "crime rate capital of America", as Henry the drunkard states. Of course I read the rest of the data. But since the comment was directed toward someone stealing stuff out of your boat while it's at home, the stats on murder, rape, etc., are meaningless. When it comes to robbery, Maryland is in fact the "crime rate capital of America". You're just whining like a baby because your own cite shows that your flame "Wrong, again, fool" was unwarranted. No, sorry, you are dead wrong. First of all, "stealing stuff out of your boat", is not robbery, to which you state that Maryland is #1 in. It is if you're there. Secondly, the comment that I responded to was "Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America...". Now, that is an untrue, and groundless statement. So, yes, you ARE wrong again. Ah, good. More proof that you don't know how to follow a thread (as if we need any more of that by now) and didn't realize that the crime rate capital of America comment was directed toward stealing. Maybe you just need to unwind a little. You don't get the fact that people are now just yanking your chain because you react so funny to it. Smoke a little more of your homegrown. It might help. Steve Oh, horse****, Steve. YOU don't know how to follow a thread. Again, the comment I responded to, verbatim, was "Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America...." That is part of the thread, is it not? That is also the part that I replied about, is it not? Then, you responded to my post, with link, by saying that in that year, Maryland was tops in "robbery", did you not? First, the post was about THEFT, not ROBBERY. Big difference. Next, Maryland was not tops in theft, nor was it tops in overall crime, which is what the original thing that I responded to stated. What a dumb ass. |
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In article , (basskisser) wrote:
(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 9 Apr 2004 04:12:46 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 8 Apr 2004 07:19:33 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 7 Apr 2004 04:13:36 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message thlink.net... In article , " Tuuk" wrote: Leaving the boat on a trailer and in your driveway for example is a very smart idea also. You do not have to unload all your expensive fishing and boating equipment and you do not have to worry about people stealing the stuff as much should it be left at the marina Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America... Wrong, again, fool: http://www.morganquitno.com/DANG00RANK.htm According to your cite, Maryland is #1 when it comes to robbery. Old data to be sure, but you're the one who posted it. And since the comment was about stealing, the robbery stat is apropos. So, I take it you didn't bother to read the REST of the data? If you did, then you'd know that, clearly, Maryland is quite low in the crime scale, and a long, long way from being the "crime rate capital of America", as Henry the drunkard states. Of course I read the rest of the data. But since the comment was directed toward someone stealing stuff out of your boat while it's at home, the stats on murder, rape, etc., are meaningless. When it comes to robbery, Maryland is in fact the "crime rate capital of America". You're just whining like a baby because your own cite shows that your flame "Wrong, again, fool" was unwarranted. No, sorry, you are dead wrong. First of all, "stealing stuff out of your boat", is not robbery, to which you state that Maryland is #1 in. It is if you're there. Secondly, the comment that I responded to was "Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America...". Now, that is an untrue, and groundless statement. So, yes, you ARE wrong again. Ah, good. More proof that you don't know how to follow a thread (as if we need any more of that by now) and didn't realize that the crime rate capital of America comment was directed toward stealing. Maybe you just need to unwind a little. You don't get the fact that people are now just yanking your chain because you react so funny to it. Smoke a little more of your homegrown. It might help. Steve Oh, horse****, Steve. YOU don't know how to follow a thread. Again, the comment I responded to, verbatim, was "Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America...." That is part of the thread, is it not? That is also the part that I replied about, is it not? Then, you responded to my post, with link, by saying that in that year, Maryland was tops in "robbery", did you not? First, the post was about THEFT, not ROBBERY. Big difference. Next, Maryland was not tops in theft, nor was it tops in overall crime, which is what the original thing that I responded to stated. What a dumb ass. Calm down, calm down, smoke one of your doobies or something... Sheesh guy. What a case you are! |
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(Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message link.net...
In article , (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 9 Apr 2004 04:12:46 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 8 Apr 2004 07:19:33 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 7 Apr 2004 04:13:36 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message thlink.net... In article , " Tuuk" wrote: Leaving the boat on a trailer and in your driveway for example is a very smart idea also. You do not have to unload all your expensive fishing and boating equipment and you do not have to worry about people stealing the stuff as much should it be left at the marina Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America... Wrong, again, fool: http://www.morganquitno.com/DANG00RANK.htm According to your cite, Maryland is #1 when it comes to robbery. Old data to be sure, but you're the one who posted it. And since the comment was about stealing, the robbery stat is apropos. So, I take it you didn't bother to read the REST of the data? If you did, then you'd know that, clearly, Maryland is quite low in the crime scale, and a long, long way from being the "crime rate capital of America", as Henry the drunkard states. Of course I read the rest of the data. But since the comment was directed toward someone stealing stuff out of your boat while it's at home, the stats on murder, rape, etc., are meaningless. When it comes to robbery, Maryland is in fact the "crime rate capital of America". You're just whining like a baby because your own cite shows that your flame "Wrong, again, fool" was unwarranted. No, sorry, you are dead wrong. First of all, "stealing stuff out of your boat", is not robbery, to which you state that Maryland is #1 in. It is if you're there. Secondly, the comment that I responded to was "Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America...". Now, that is an untrue, and groundless statement. So, yes, you ARE wrong again. Ah, good. More proof that you don't know how to follow a thread (as if we need any more of that by now) and didn't realize that the crime rate capital of America comment was directed toward stealing. Maybe you just need to unwind a little. You don't get the fact that people are now just yanking your chain because you react so funny to it. Smoke a little more of your homegrown. It might help. Steve Oh, horse****, Steve. YOU don't know how to follow a thread. Again, the comment I responded to, verbatim, was "Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America...." That is part of the thread, is it not? That is also the part that I replied about, is it not? Then, you responded to my post, with link, by saying that in that year, Maryland was tops in "robbery", did you not? First, the post was about THEFT, not ROBBERY. Big difference. Next, Maryland was not tops in theft, nor was it tops in overall crime, which is what the original thing that I responded to stated. What a dumb ass. Calm down, calm down, smoke one of your doobies or something... Sheesh guy. What a case you are! Where do you get the idea I smoke pot? Now you, you've admitted to drinking liquor, haven't you, drunkard. |
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In article , (basskisser) wrote:
(Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message link.net... In article , (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 9 Apr 2004 04:12:46 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 8 Apr 2004 07:19:33 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 7 Apr 2004 04:13:36 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message thlink.net... In article , " Tuuk" wrote: Leaving the boat on a trailer and in your driveway for example is a very smart idea also. You do not have to unload all your expensive fishing and boating equipment and you do not have to worry about people stealing the stuff as much should it be left at the marina Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America... Wrong, again, fool: http://www.morganquitno.com/DANG00RANK.htm According to your cite, Maryland is #1 when it comes to robbery. Old data to be sure, but you're the one who posted it. And since the comment was about stealing, the robbery stat is apropos. So, I take it you didn't bother to read the REST of the data? If you did, then you'd know that, clearly, Maryland is quite low in the crime scale, and a long, long way from being the "crime rate capital of America", as Henry the drunkard states. Of course I read the rest of the data. But since the comment was directed toward someone stealing stuff out of your boat while it's at home, the stats on murder, rape, etc., are meaningless. When it comes to robbery, Maryland is in fact the "crime rate capital of America". You're just whining like a baby because your own cite shows that your flame "Wrong, again, fool" was unwarranted. No, sorry, you are dead wrong. First of all, "stealing stuff out of your boat", is not robbery, to which you state that Maryland is #1 in. It is if you're there. Secondly, the comment that I responded to was "Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America...". Now, that is an untrue, and groundless statement. So, yes, you ARE wrong again. Ah, good. More proof that you don't know how to follow a thread (as if we need any more of that by now) and didn't realize that the crime rate capital of America comment was directed toward stealing. Maybe you just need to unwind a little. You don't get the fact that people are now just yanking your chain because you react so funny to it. Smoke a little more of your homegrown. It might help. Steve Oh, horse****, Steve. YOU don't know how to follow a thread. Again, the comment I responded to, verbatim, was "Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America...." That is part of the thread, is it not? That is also the part that I replied about, is it not? Then, you responded to my post, with link, by saying that in that year, Maryland was tops in "robbery", did you not? First, the post was about THEFT, not ROBBERY. Big difference. Next, Maryland was not tops in theft, nor was it tops in overall crime, which is what the original thing that I responded to stated. What a dumb ass. Calm down, calm down, smoke one of your doobies or something... Sheesh guy. What a case you are! Where do you get the idea I smoke pot? Now you, you've admitted to drinking liquor, haven't you, drunkard. One can have a drink or two and not be drunk. But can one have a joint or two and not be high, eh pothead? What kind of lights do you use to grow your marijuana plants? Metal Halide? Or do you do it natural with a greenhouse or something? |
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(Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message link.net...
In article , (basskisser) wrote: (Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message link.net... In article , (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 9 Apr 2004 04:12:46 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 8 Apr 2004 07:19:33 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 7 Apr 2004 04:13:36 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message thlink.net... In article , " Tuuk" wrote: Leaving the boat on a trailer and in your driveway for example is a very smart idea also. You do not have to unload all your expensive fishing and boating equipment and you do not have to worry about people stealing the stuff as much should it be left at the marina Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America... Wrong, again, fool: http://www.morganquitno.com/DANG00RANK.htm According to your cite, Maryland is #1 when it comes to robbery. Old data to be sure, but you're the one who posted it. And since the comment was about stealing, the robbery stat is apropos. So, I take it you didn't bother to read the REST of the data? If you did, then you'd know that, clearly, Maryland is quite low in the crime scale, and a long, long way from being the "crime rate capital of America", as Henry the drunkard states. Of course I read the rest of the data. But since the comment was directed toward someone stealing stuff out of your boat while it's at home, the stats on murder, rape, etc., are meaningless. When it comes to robbery, Maryland is in fact the "crime rate capital of America". You're just whining like a baby because your own cite shows that your flame "Wrong, again, fool" was unwarranted. No, sorry, you are dead wrong. First of all, "stealing stuff out of your boat", is not robbery, to which you state that Maryland is #1 in. It is if you're there. Secondly, the comment that I responded to was "Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America...". Now, that is an untrue, and groundless statement. So, yes, you ARE wrong again. Ah, good. More proof that you don't know how to follow a thread (as if we need any more of that by now) and didn't realize that the crime rate capital of America comment was directed toward stealing. Maybe you just need to unwind a little. You don't get the fact that people are now just yanking your chain because you react so funny to it. Smoke a little more of your homegrown. It might help. Steve Oh, horse****, Steve. YOU don't know how to follow a thread. Again, the comment I responded to, verbatim, was "Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America...." That is part of the thread, is it not? That is also the part that I replied about, is it not? Then, you responded to my post, with link, by saying that in that year, Maryland was tops in "robbery", did you not? First, the post was about THEFT, not ROBBERY. Big difference. Next, Maryland was not tops in theft, nor was it tops in overall crime, which is what the original thing that I responded to stated. What a dumb ass. Calm down, calm down, smoke one of your doobies or something... Sheesh guy. What a case you are! Where do you get the idea I smoke pot? Now you, you've admitted to drinking liquor, haven't you, drunkard. One can have a drink or two and not be drunk. But can one have a joint or two and not be high, eh pothead? Not true. If you have a "drink or two", then you have alcohol in your system. You are way beyond that, or at least your posts suggest you are. What kind of lights do you use to grow your marijuana plants? I don't grow marijuana plants. Metal Halide? Or do you do it natural with a greenhouse or something? Hmm, you seem to know quite a lot about the subject..... |
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In article , (basskisser) wrote:
(Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message link.net... In article , (basskisser) wrote: (Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message link.net... In article , (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 9 Apr 2004 04:12:46 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 8 Apr 2004 07:19:33 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 7 Apr 2004 04:13:36 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: (Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message thlink.net... In article , " Tuuk" wrote: Leaving the boat on a trailer and in your driveway for example is a very smart idea also. You do not have to unload all your expensive fishing and boating equipment and you do not have to worry about people stealing the stuff as much should it be left at the marina Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America... Wrong, again, fool: http://www.morganquitno.com/DANG00RANK.htm According to your cite, Maryland is #1 when it comes to robbery. Old data to be sure, but you're the one who posted it. And since the comment was about stealing, the robbery stat is apropos. So, I take it you didn't bother to read the REST of the data? If you did, then you'd know that, clearly, Maryland is quite low in the crime scale, and a long, long way from being the "crime rate capital of America", as Henry the drunkard states. Of course I read the rest of the data. But since the comment was directed toward someone stealing stuff out of your boat while it's at home, the stats on murder, rape, etc., are meaningless. When it comes to robbery, Maryland is in fact the "crime rate capital of America". You're just whining like a baby because your own cite shows that your flame "Wrong, again, fool" was unwarranted. No, sorry, you are dead wrong. First of all, "stealing stuff out of your boat", is not robbery, to which you state that Maryland is #1 in. It is if you're there. Secondly, the comment that I responded to was "Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America...". Now, that is an untrue, and groundless statement. So, yes, you ARE wrong again. Ah, good. More proof that you don't know how to follow a thread (as if we need any more of that by now) and didn't realize that the crime rate capital of America comment was directed toward stealing. Maybe you just need to unwind a little. You don't get the fact that people are now just yanking your chain because you react so funny to it. Smoke a little more of your homegrown. It might help. Steve Oh, horse****, Steve. YOU don't know how to follow a thread. Again, the comment I responded to, verbatim, was "Not if you live in Maryland the crime rate capital of America...." That is part of the thread, is it not? That is also the part that I replied about, is it not? Then, you responded to my post, with link, by saying that in that year, Maryland was tops in "robbery", did you not? First, the post was about THEFT, not ROBBERY. Big difference. Next, Maryland was not tops in theft, nor was it tops in overall crime, which is what the original thing that I responded to stated. What a dumb ass. Calm down, calm down, smoke one of your doobies or something... Sheesh guy. What a case you are! Where do you get the idea I smoke pot? Now you, you've admitted to drinking liquor, haven't you, drunkard. One can have a drink or two and not be drunk. But can one have a joint or two and not be high, eh pothead? Not true. If you have a "drink or two", then you have alcohol in your system. You are way beyond that, or at least your posts suggest you are. The word "drunk" in the context of which we are discussing here is generally defined as "Intoxicated with alcoholic liquor to the point of impairment of physical and mental faculties." A "drink or two" hardly constitutes being "drunk" for most people, especially large males. Might I also remind you again that indulging in a few drinks of alcohol is totally legal while toking on a couple of joints of marijuana is not. "Stoned" or getting "High" means largely the same thing as "drunk". However those words are generally used (but not always) to describe those who imbibe various illegal drugs. A strong case can be made that you are "stoned" or "high" some or all of the time while posting here in the Usenet newsgroups. Your behavior is very erratic and you have definite mood swings with surges in aggression and threats of violence. One doesn't have to read your posts too long to come to the conclusion that you are mentally discombobulated. What kind of lights do you use to grow your marijuana plants? I don't grow marijuana plants. Metal Halide? Or do you do it natural with a greenhouse or something? Hmm, you seem to know quite a lot about the subject..... I read about them in Popular Science magazine. Ever read anything besides High Times? |
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If you would like real advice from boaters , try rec.boats.cruising.
They seem to be a boating realted group, compared to this one which generally is not. |
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mainly to **** you off harry, and it seems to be working! ;-}
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P.S.
Still hiding behind that false email name Harry, shame |
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