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Harry Krause March 17th 04 12:51 AM

OT--Even the liberal NY Times sees the writing on the wall
 
NOYB wrote:

New York Times/CBS News poll

Speaking With Integrity

Most of the time, Bush says what he:
Believes 51%
Thinks people want to hear 45%

Most of the time, Kerry says what he:
Believes 33%
Thinks people want to hear 57%

--------------------------------------------------

And Kerry plans on running on the issue of Bush's lack credibility and
honesty?

Oh, the effrontery!





Your boy is going to lose.

NOYB March 17th 04 12:54 AM

OT--Even the liberal NY Times sees the writing on the wall
 
New York Times/CBS News poll

Speaking With Integrity

Most of the time, Bush says what he:
Believes 51%
Thinks people want to hear 45%

Most of the time, Kerry says what he:
Believes 33%
Thinks people want to hear 57%

--------------------------------------------------

And Kerry plans on running on the issue of Bush's lack credibility and
honesty?

Oh, the effrontery!





Peter Pan March 17th 04 01:26 AM

OT--Even the liberal NY Times sees the writing on the wall
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...
New York Times/CBS News poll

Speaking With Integrity

Most of the time, Bush says what he:
Believes 51%
Thinks people want to hear 45%

Most of the time, Kerry says what he:
Believes 33%
Thinks people want to hear 57%

--------------------------------------------------

And Kerry plans on running on the issue of Bush's lack credibility and
honesty?

Oh, the effrontery!





Sad part is, the conception of "Lying Politicians" is sort of proven on both
sides by that.



NOYB March 17th 04 01:28 AM

OT--Even the liberal NY Times sees the writing on the wall
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

New York Times/CBS News poll

Speaking With Integrity

Most of the time, Bush says what he:
Believes 51%
Thinks people want to hear 45%

Most of the time, Kerry says what he:
Believes 33%
Thinks people want to hear 57%

--------------------------------------------------

And Kerry plans on running on the issue of Bush's lack credibility and
honesty?

Oh, the effrontery!





Your boy is going to lose.


Magic 8-ball says "signs point to...no".



NOYB March 17th 04 01:38 AM

OT--Even the liberal NY Times sees the writing on the wall
 

"Peter Pan" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...
New York Times/CBS News poll

Speaking With Integrity

Most of the time, Bush says what he:
Believes 51%
Thinks people want to hear 45%

Most of the time, Kerry says what he:
Believes 33%
Thinks people want to hear 57%

--------------------------------------------------

And Kerry plans on running on the issue of Bush's lack credibility and
honesty?

Oh, the effrontery!





Sad part is, the conception of "Lying Politicians" is sort of proven on

both
sides by that.


Not really. If you look at the statistics of this country's party
affiliation, about half are Dems and half are Republicans. So it stands to
reason that each candidate should receive about a 50-50 split when people
are polled about each candidate's integrity...which is precisely what
happened with Bush.

However, when Kerry receives only a 33% vote of confidence about his
integrity, it speaks volumes about the futile task facing him as he tries to
lay out the case that he's more honest than Bush.

The Dems spent the past 7 months launching an all-out assault on Bush's
credibility...and he still manages to garner a vote on his integrity of 51%.

Meanwhile, Bush's team has spent only about 2 weeks discrediting Kerry...and
Kerry has fallen to 33% already.

Not only will Bush win, but he'll win by a margin at least as big as
Clinton's victory over Dole.






Gary Warner March 17th 04 03:55 AM

OT--Even the liberal NY Times sees the writing on the wall
 

"NOYB" wrote:

New York Times/CBS News poll


That's nice, NOYB. Here are some other number from the same poll:

..... 54 percent of Americans think the country is headed the wrong way.


Bush will make the economy:

Better
30%

Worse
23%


Kerry will make the conomy:

Better
36%

Worse
11%






jps March 17th 04 05:28 AM

OT--Even the liberal NY Times sees the writing on the wall
 
In article et,
says...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Your boy is going to lose.


Magic 8-ball says "signs point to...no".


Glad to know that's the tool you rely on when you've got to assess
important situations.

Clearly, better for you than relying on your brain.

jps

NOYB March 17th 04 07:50 AM

OT--Even the liberal NY Times sees the writing on the wall
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article et,
says...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Your boy is going to lose.


Magic 8-ball says "signs point to...no".


Glad to know that's the tool you rely on when you've got to assess
important situations.


You mean, as opposed to the excellent argument Harry made to substantiate
his claim? (Don't bother going back to look for one since Harry never
provides rationale for his remarks.)



NOYB March 17th 04 07:57 AM

OT--Even the liberal NY Times sees the writing on the wall
 

"Gary Warner" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote:

New York Times/CBS News poll


That's nice, NOYB. Here are some other number from the same poll:

.... 54 percent of Americans think the country is headed the wrong way.


Bush will make the economy:

Better
30%

Worse
23%


Kerry will make the conomy:

Better
36%

Worse
11%


So what your statistics have proven is that based upon the margin of error
in the poll: 1) about half of America feels the country is headed in the
*right* direction, and 2) people are pretty much evenly split on which
candidate will make the economy better.

However, there is no rationalizing the difference in people's opinions of
each candidate's integrity.

51% believes Bush means what he says
33% believe Kerry.

No margin of error can account for the 18 percentage point drubbing Kerry
takes on the issue of integrity. Ironically, that is the main issue Kerry
has decided to run on. It's almost comical.



jps March 17th 04 08:46 AM

OT--Even the liberal NY Times sees the writing on the wall
 
In article ,
says...

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article et,
says...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Your boy is going to lose.

Magic 8-ball says "signs point to...no".


Glad to know that's the tool you rely on when you've got to assess
important situations.


You mean, as opposed to the excellent argument Harry made to substantiate
his claim? (Don't bother going back to look for one since Harry never
provides rationale for his remarks.)



He didn't reveal his method of deduction, you did.

jps

jps March 17th 04 08:48 AM

OT--Even the liberal NY Times sees the writing on the wall
 
In article ,
says...

51% believes Bush means what he says


This simply means he believes what his handlers tell him to say.

33% believe Kerry.


Means that he's smart enough to know he's telling people what they want
to hear.

NOYB March 17th 04 06:11 PM

OT--Even the liberal NY Times sees the writing on the wall
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

51% believes Bush means what he says


This simply means he believes what his handlers tell him to say.

33% believe Kerry.


Means that he's smart enough to know he's telling people what they want
to hear.


You're a deeply twisted individual...




Doug Kanter March 18th 04 05:45 PM

OT--Even the liberal NY Times sees the writing on the wall
 
If the poll's results were the other way around and the Times published
them, would you say its editors DID NOT see the writing on the wall?

You do understand my question, right?

--
Do not respond to my Hotmail address. It's never checked. Post all responses
here.
.......
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...
New York Times/CBS News poll

Speaking With Integrity

Most of the time, Bush says what he:
Believes 51%
Thinks people want to hear 45%

Most of the time, Kerry says what he:
Believes 33%
Thinks people want to hear 57%

--------------------------------------------------

And Kerry plans on running on the issue of Bush's lack credibility and
honesty?

Oh, the effrontery!







NOYB March 18th 04 06:00 PM

OT--Even the liberal NY Times sees the writing on the wall
 
If a Foxnews reported on a story with a positive message about a liberal,
there's a high likelihood that the story is true. If Foxnews reported on a
story with a negative spin towards a liberal, then the story may or may not
be accurate.

The same scenario applies to the NY Times and stories about conservatives.

You do understand my statement, right?


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
If the poll's results were the other way around and the Times published
them, would you say its editors DID NOT see the writing on the wall?

You do understand my question, right?

--
Do not respond to my Hotmail address. It's never checked. Post all

responses
here.
......
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...
New York Times/CBS News poll

Speaking With Integrity

Most of the time, Bush says what he:
Believes 51%
Thinks people want to hear 45%

Most of the time, Kerry says what he:
Believes 33%
Thinks people want to hear 57%

--------------------------------------------------

And Kerry plans on running on the issue of Bush's lack credibility and
honesty?

Oh, the effrontery!









Doug Kanter March 18th 04 06:12 PM

OT--Even the liberal NY Times sees the writing on the wall
 
Yes. The Times published poll results. It has nothing to do with who "saw
the writing on the wall". If they publish a story about a train wreck, does
it mean the bulk of the staff believes trains are unsafe?

--
Do not respond to my Hotmail address. It's never checked. Post all responses
here.
.......
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...
If a Foxnews reported on a story with a positive message about a liberal,
there's a high likelihood that the story is true. If Foxnews reported on

a
story with a negative spin towards a liberal, then the story may or may

not
be accurate.

The same scenario applies to the NY Times and stories about conservatives.

You do understand my statement, right?


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
If the poll's results were the other way around and the Times published
them, would you say its editors DID NOT see the writing on the wall?

You do understand my question, right?

--
Do not respond to my Hotmail address. It's never checked. Post all

responses
here.
......
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...
New York Times/CBS News poll

Speaking With Integrity

Most of the time, Bush says what he:
Believes 51%
Thinks people want to hear 45%

Most of the time, Kerry says what he:
Believes 33%
Thinks people want to hear 57%

--------------------------------------------------

And Kerry plans on running on the issue of Bush's lack credibility and
honesty?

Oh, the effrontery!











NOYB March 18th 04 10:52 PM

OT--Even the liberal NY Times sees the writing on the wall
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Yes. The Times published poll results. It has nothing to do with who "saw
the writing on the wall". If they publish a story about a train wreck,

does
it mean the bulk of the staff believes trains are unsafe?


Depends upon the wording in the story. Journalism isn't objective any more.
If a train wrecked, and the journalist who reported on the wreck had a bias
against train travel, the headline would read: "Supposedly Safe? Recent
Train Collision Shows the Dangers of Rail Travel".



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