A beautiful day on the bay today!
 

Got a late start this morning 'cause dummy me forgot to call the marina and have
the boat put in the water. Oh well.

Left Deale, MD, about 8 AM, got out to marker #83 and put the lines out. We ran
4 tandem parachute rigs and two umbrellas. After about two hours of nothing, my
good friend OldFart decided we needed to check and clean the lures. Sure enough,
most were dirty.

Put everything back in the water and within about 15 minutes had our first
strike of the day. Rich (Gimp) pulled in a 40 1/2 "er, which set a new boat
record for the Poco Loco. It was caught on a bucktail with a 9" Bass Assassin
attached. (We had lost one of the parachute rigs on a log or something a little
earlier. Actually, we lost an umbrella at about the same time, on the same log I
expect.)

About a half hour later, around noon, the line sings again and OldFart pulled in
a 38"er. Just those two about filled the cooler! The second one was caught on
one of OldFart's hand made bucktails with a 6" sassy shad (white). Both of these
were caught almost directly east of North Beach in about 42 feet of water,
trolling at about 3.2 mph.

The weather was perfect, the company was spectacular, and the cooler was pretty
full. We played around another hour or so and called it a day. What a great day
it was.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"John H" wrote in message
...
Got a late start this morning 'cause dummy me forgot to call the marina
and have
the boat put in the water. Oh well.

Left Deale, MD, about 8 AM, got out to marker #83 and put the lines out.
We ran
4 tandem parachute rigs and two umbrellas. After about two hours of
nothing, my
good friend OldFart decided we needed to check and clean the lures. Sure
enough,
most were dirty.

Put everything back in the water and within about 15 minutes had our first
strike of the day. Rich (Gimp) pulled in a 40 1/2 "er, which set a new
boat
record for the Poco Loco. It was caught on a bucktail with a 9" Bass
Assassin
attached. (We had lost one of the parachute rigs on a log or something a
little
earlier. Actually, we lost an umbrella at about the same time, on the same
log I
expect.)

About a half hour later, around noon, the line sings again and OldFart
pulled in
a 38"er. Just those two about filled the cooler! The second one was caught
on
one of OldFart's hand made bucktails with a 6" sassy shad (white). Both of
these
were caught almost directly east of North Beach in about 42 feet of water,
trolling at about 3.2 mph.

The weather was perfect, the company was spectacular, and the cooler was
pretty
full. We played around another hour or so and called it a day. What a
great day
it was.

Cool report.

Do you guys troll plugs, too? Or just plastic-tipped jigs?

What depth do you figure the jigs are running at? The reason I ask, is that
we use Mann's Stretch 25's and 30's to troll for gag grouper on the
near-shore reefs/wrecks in November through April. The Stretch 25's and
30's are designed to dive to 25' and 30', respectively, without the
assistance of a planer or a downrigger when trolling approximately 5mph. If
you use powerpro line (or similar), the lures will run down 30-45'.

I wonder if the same lures would work well on stripers up by you?

On Thu, 05 May 2005 21:09:21 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
Got a late start this morning 'cause dummy me forgot to call the marina
and have
the boat put in the water. Oh well.

Left Deale, MD, about 8 AM, got out to marker #83 and put the lines out.
We ran
4 tandem parachute rigs and two umbrellas. After about two hours of
nothing, my
good friend OldFart decided we needed to check and clean the lures. Sure
enough,
most were dirty.

Put everything back in the water and within about 15 minutes had our first
strike of the day. Rich (Gimp) pulled in a 40 1/2 "er, which set a new
boat
record for the Poco Loco. It was caught on a bucktail with a 9" Bass
Assassin
attached. (We had lost one of the parachute rigs on a log or something a
little
earlier. Actually, we lost an umbrella at about the same time, on the same
log I
expect.)

About a half hour later, around noon, the line sings again and OldFart
pulled in
a 38"er. Just those two about filled the cooler! The second one was caught
on
one of OldFart's hand made bucktails with a 6" sassy shad (white). Both of
these
were caught almost directly east of North Beach in about 42 feet of water,
trolling at about 3.2 mph.

The weather was perfect, the company was spectacular, and the cooler was
pretty
full. We played around another hour or so and called it a day. What a
great day
it was.

Cool report.

Do you guys troll plugs, too? Or just plastic-tipped jigs?

What depth do you figure the jigs are running at? The reason I ask, is that
we use Mann's Stretch 25's and 30's to troll for gag grouper on the
near-shore reefs/wrecks in November through April. The Stretch 25's and
30's are designed to dive to 25' and 30', respectively, without the
assistance of a planer or a downrigger when trolling approximately 5mph. If
you use powerpro line (or similar), the lures will run down 30-45'.

I wonder if the same lures would work well on stripers up by you?


Yes, Mann Stretch 18s thru 30's are used in the bay, and some folks have caught
fish with them. I've caught only tangles 'cause the damn things go every which
way.

We had six lines out today with weights going from only the lure to an
additional 12 oz. The hope is to cover the spectrum. We caught one up high and
the other down deep today. I'm hoping the lures are all running from about 8'
down to about 30'. Of course, can't tell that for sure. I use braided line on
all my trolling rods.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 05 May 2005 21:09:21 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
. ..
Got a late start this morning 'cause dummy me forgot to call the marina
and have
the boat put in the water. Oh well.

Left Deale, MD, about 8 AM, got out to marker #83 and put the lines out.
We ran
4 tandem parachute rigs and two umbrellas. After about two hours of
nothing, my
good friend OldFart decided we needed to check and clean the lures. Sure
enough,
most were dirty.

Put everything back in the water and within about 15 minutes had our
first
strike of the day. Rich (Gimp) pulled in a 40 1/2 "er, which set a new
boat
record for the Poco Loco. It was caught on a bucktail with a 9" Bass
Assassin
attached. (We had lost one of the parachute rigs on a log or something a
little
earlier. Actually, we lost an umbrella at about the same time, on the
same
log I
expect.)

About a half hour later, around noon, the line sings again and OldFart
pulled in
a 38"er. Just those two about filled the cooler! The second one was
caught
on
one of OldFart's hand made bucktails with a 6" sassy shad (white). Both
of
these
were caught almost directly east of North Beach in about 42 feet of
water,
trolling at about 3.2 mph.

The weather was perfect, the company was spectacular, and the cooler was
pretty
full. We played around another hour or so and called it a day. What a
great day
it was.

Cool report.

Do you guys troll plugs, too? Or just plastic-tipped jigs?

What depth do you figure the jigs are running at? The reason I ask, is
that
we use Mann's Stretch 25's and 30's to troll for gag grouper on the
near-shore reefs/wrecks in November through April. The Stretch 25's and
30's are designed to dive to 25' and 30', respectively, without the
assistance of a planer or a downrigger when trolling approximately 5mph.
If
you use powerpro line (or similar), the lures will run down 30-45'.

I wonder if the same lures would work well on stripers up by you?


Yes, Mann Stretch 18s thru 30's are used in the bay, and some folks have
caught
fish with them. I've caught only tangles 'cause the damn things go every
which
way.

I used to think the same thing, but you need to tune them (bend the ring on
top) if they're not tracking straight. Also, when you have two of them out,
put the shallower Stretch 18 or 25 out to about 150-200 feet, and the deeper
running Stretch 30 out to 75-100 feet.


We had six lines out today with weights going from only the lure to an
additional 12 oz. The hope is to cover the spectrum. We caught one up high
and
the other down deep today. I'm hoping the lures are all running from about
8'
down to about 30'. Of course, can't tell that for sure. I use braided line
on
all my trolling rods.

"John H" wrote in message
...
Got a late start this morning 'cause dummy me forgot to call the marina
and have
the boat put in the water. Oh well.

Left Deale, MD, about 8 AM, got out to marker #83 and put the lines out.
We ran
4 tandem parachute rigs and two umbrellas. After about two hours of
nothing, my
good friend OldFart decided we needed to check and clean the lures. Sure
enough,
most were dirty.

Put everything back in the water and within about 15 minutes had our first
strike of the day. Rich (Gimp) pulled in a 40 1/2 "er, which set a new
boat
record for the Poco Loco. It was caught on a bucktail with a 9" Bass
Assassin
attached. (We had lost one of the parachute rigs on a log or something a
little
earlier. Actually, we lost an umbrella at about the same time, on the same
log I
expect.)

About a half hour later, around noon, the line sings again and OldFart
pulled in
a 38"er. Just those two about filled the cooler! The second one was caught
on
one of OldFart's hand made bucktails with a 6" sassy shad (white). Both of
these
were caught almost directly east of North Beach in about 42 feet of water,
trolling at about 3.2 mph.

The weather was perfect, the company was spectacular, and the cooler was
pretty
full. We played around another hour or so and called it a day. What a
great day
it was.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Way to go John!!!

My wife and I spent the morning painting (1st coat) the hull of my friends
Lyman. The four of us then hopped on a ferry for a ride over to Kelley's
Island where we sipped Brandy Alexanders while chowing down on a Lake Erie
perch dinner.

Glad you had a nice day. We certainly did also. ;-)

krause

who the hell cares about your social assistant fishing trip. I mean how did
they take all of you on that Sunday afternoon? Social assistance weekend
fishing trip? Probably 50 of you morons on a fishing charter? lol,,,
krause,,, what are you,, some kind of a marooooon??









"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...

Got a late start this morning 'cause dummy me forgot to call the marina
and have
the boat put in the water. Oh well.

Left Deale, MD, about 8 AM, got out to marker #83 and put the lines out.
We ran
4 tandem parachute rigs and two umbrellas. After about two hours of
nothing, my
good friend OldFart decided we needed to check and clean the lures. Sure
enough,
most were dirty.

Put everything back in the water and within about 15 minutes had our
first
strike of the day. Rich (Gimp) pulled in a 40 1/2 "er, which set a new
boat
record for the Poco Loco. It was caught on a bucktail with a 9" Bass
Assassin
attached. (We had lost one of the parachute rigs on a log or something a
little
earlier. Actually, we lost an umbrella at about the same time, on the
same log I
expect.)

About a half hour later, around noon, the line sings again and OldFart
pulled in
a 38"er. Just those two about filled the cooler! The second one was
caught on
one of OldFart's hand made bucktails with a 6" sassy shad (white). Both
of these
were caught almost directly east of North Beach in about 42 feet of
water,
trolling at about 3.2 mph.

The weather was perfect, the company was spectacular, and the cooler was
pretty
full. We played around another hour or so and called it a day. What a
great day
it was.


Cool report.

Do you guys troll plugs, too? Or just plastic-tipped jigs?

What depth do you figure the jigs are running at? The reason I ask, is
that we use Mann's Stretch 25's and 30's to troll for gag grouper on the
near-shore reefs/wrecks in November through April. The Stretch 25's and
30's are designed to dive to 25' and 30', respectively, without the
assistance of a planer or a downrigger when trolling approximately 5mph.
If you use powerpro line (or similar), the lures will run down 30-45'.

I wonder if the same lures would work well on stripers up by you?




I've used Mann's Stretch 25's for stripers up here. They're pretty
popular, as are bucktails. I hate trolling in the bay. If I really want to
catch stripers, I find structure and cast to it, or drift fish with live
bait, or look for birds diving. Most of the time, there will be stripers
under the birds, unless there are blues under the birds. I'd rather catch
blues on my light tackle. Considering their size, stripers are anemic
fighters.

On Thu, 5 May 2005 19:33:48 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

I used to think the same thing, but you need to tune them (bend the ring on
top) if they're not tracking straight. Also, when you have two of them out,
put the shallower Stretch 18 or 25 out to about 150-200 feet, and the deeper
running Stretch 30 out to 75-100 feet.

I have one that I couldn't get to run true no matter what I did.

Then I figured it out.

Steel leaders. For some reason, the things don't like to run on steel
leaders. Why that should make a difference I don't know.

Later,

Tom

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 5 May 2005 19:33:48 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

I used to think the same thing, but you need to tune them (bend the ring
on
top) if they're not tracking straight. Also, when you have two of them
out,
put the shallower Stretch 18 or 25 out to about 150-200 feet, and the
deeper
running Stretch 30 out to 75-100 feet.

I have one that I couldn't get to run true no matter what I did.

Then I figured it out.

Steel leaders. For some reason, the things don't like to run on steel
leaders. Why that should make a difference I don't know.


I know a lot of guys who use stainless leaders with Mann's, so something
sound "fishy" with that explanation.

I use 60-85lb fluoro.

On Thu, 5 May 2005 21:19:16 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 5 May 2005 19:33:48 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

I used to think the same thing, but you need to tune them (bend the ring
on
top) if they're not tracking straight. Also, when you have two of them
out,
put the shallower Stretch 18 or 25 out to about 150-200 feet, and the
deeper
running Stretch 30 out to 75-100 feet.

I have one that I couldn't get to run true no matter what I did.

Then I figured it out.

Steel leaders. For some reason, the things don't like to run on steel
leaders. Why that should make a difference I don't know.

I know a lot of guys who use stainless leaders with Mann's, so something
sound "fishy" with that explanation.

If they are, then it's very light stainless. I could never get mine
to run right with heavier stainless.

I use 60-85lb fluoro.

I used to - then I discovered Ande florescent blue - that makes some
great leaders. I'm so sold on the stuff, I use it for all my leaders
in all weights.

Later,

Tom

On Thu, 05 May 2005 21:27:53 -0400, "Harry.Krause"
wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 5 May 2005 19:33:48 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:

~~ snippage ~~


I used to think the same thing, but you need to tune them (bend the ring
on
top) if they're not tracking straight. Also, when you have two of them
out,
put the shallower Stretch 18 or 25 out to about 150-200 feet, and the
deeper
running Stretch 30 out to 75-100 feet.

I have one that I couldn't get to run true no matter what I did.

Then I figured it out.

Steel leaders. For some reason, the things don't like to run on steel
leaders. Why that should make a difference I don't know.

I know a lot of guys who use stainless leaders with Mann's, so something
sound "fishy" with that explanation.

I use 60-85lb fluoro.

I sometimes use nylon-coated stainless leaders, but only when there are
large blues in the water. They'll snap right through the light
flourocarbon I use on my light tackle.

Even with light tackle, I use heavy leaders - usually twice the weight
I'm throwing at a minimum.

Later,

Tom

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 5 May 2005 21:19:16 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 5 May 2005 19:33:48 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

I used to think the same thing, but you need to tune them (bend the ring
on
top) if they're not tracking straight. Also, when you have two of them
out,
put the shallower Stretch 18 or 25 out to about 150-200 feet, and the
deeper
running Stretch 30 out to 75-100 feet.

I have one that I couldn't get to run true no matter what I did.

Then I figured it out.

Steel leaders. For some reason, the things don't like to run on steel
leaders. Why that should make a difference I don't know.

I know a lot of guys who use stainless leaders with Mann's, so something
sound "fishy" with that explanation.

If they are, then it's very light stainless. I could never get mine
to run right with heavier stainless.



I use 60-85lb fluoro.

I used to - then I discovered Ande florescent blue - that makes some
great leaders. I'm so sold on the stuff, I use it for all my leaders
in all weights.


Is it as tough and wear-resistant as fluoro?

On Fri, 6 May 2005 08:21:28 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 5 May 2005 21:19:16 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 5 May 2005 19:33:48 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

I used to think the same thing, but you need to tune them (bend the ring
on
top) if they're not tracking straight. Also, when you have two of them
out,
put the shallower Stretch 18 or 25 out to about 150-200 feet, and the
deeper
running Stretch 30 out to 75-100 feet.

I have one that I couldn't get to run true no matter what I did.

Then I figured it out.

Steel leaders. For some reason, the things don't like to run on steel
leaders. Why that should make a difference I don't know.

I know a lot of guys who use stainless leaders with Mann's, so something
sound "fishy" with that explanation.

If they are, then it's very light stainless. I could never get mine
to run right with heavier stainless.

I use 60-85lb fluoro.

I used to - then I discovered Ande florescent blue - that makes some
great leaders. I'm so sold on the stuff, I use it for all my leaders
in all weights.

Is it as tough and wear-resistant as fluoro?

I think so.

Later,

Tom

On Fri, 06 May 2005 00:24:23 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 5 May 2005 19:33:48 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

I used to think the same thing, but you need to tune them (bend the ring on
top) if they're not tracking straight. Also, when you have two of them out,
put the shallower Stretch 18 or 25 out to about 150-200 feet, and the deeper
running Stretch 30 out to 75-100 feet.

I have one that I couldn't get to run true no matter what I did.

Then I figured it out.

Steel leaders. For some reason, the things don't like to run on steel
leaders. Why that should make a difference I don't know.

Later,

Tom

Some folks will put a hanging weight (10 oz or so) about six feet in front of
the lure. This allows plenty of lure action, but restricts the back and forth
motion.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Fri, 06 May 2005 10:15:51 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 05 May 2005 21:27:53 -0400, "Harry.Krause"
wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 5 May 2005 19:33:48 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:

~~ snippage ~~


I used to think the same thing, but you need to tune them (bend the ring
on
top) if they're not tracking straight. Also, when you have two of them
out,
put the shallower Stretch 18 or 25 out to about 150-200 feet, and the
deeper
running Stretch 30 out to 75-100 feet.

I have one that I couldn't get to run true no matter what I did.

Then I figured it out.

Steel leaders. For some reason, the things don't like to run on steel
leaders. Why that should make a difference I don't know.

I know a lot of guys who use stainless leaders with Mann's, so something
sound "fishy" with that explanation.

I use 60-85lb fluoro.

I sometimes use nylon-coated stainless leaders, but only when there are
large blues in the water. They'll snap right through the light
flourocarbon I use on my light tackle.

Even with light tackle, I use heavy leaders - usually twice the weight
I'm throwing at a minimum.

Later,

Tom

For trolling I use 50lb braided line and 60lb monofilament leaders. If I had the
big bucks I'd use the fluorocarbon leaders, but no rockfish is worth that kind
of money!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 06 May 2005 10:15:51 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 05 May 2005 21:27:53 -0400, "Harry.Krause"
wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 5 May 2005 19:33:48 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:

~~ snippage ~~


I used to think the same thing, but you need to tune them (bend the
ring
on
top) if they're not tracking straight. Also, when you have two of
them
out,
put the shallower Stretch 18 or 25 out to about 150-200 feet, and the
deeper
running Stretch 30 out to 75-100 feet.

I have one that I couldn't get to run true no matter what I did.

Then I figured it out.

Steel leaders. For some reason, the things don't like to run on steel
leaders. Why that should make a difference I don't know.

I know a lot of guys who use stainless leaders with Mann's, so
something
sound "fishy" with that explanation.

I use 60-85lb fluoro.

I sometimes use nylon-coated stainless leaders, but only when there are
large blues in the water. They'll snap right through the light
flourocarbon I use on my light tackle.

Even with light tackle, I use heavy leaders - usually twice the weight
I'm throwing at a minimum.

Later,

Tom

For trolling I use 50lb braided line and 60lb monofilament leaders. If I
had the
big bucks I'd use the fluorocarbon leaders, but no rockfish is worth that
kind
of money!

Triple Fish makes an affordable fluorocarbon. With fluoro, I never lose a
fish due to a cut leader.

On Fri, 6 May 2005 17:23:45 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 06 May 2005 10:15:51 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 05 May 2005 21:27:53 -0400, "Harry.Krause"
wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 5 May 2005 19:33:48 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:

~~ snippage ~~


I used to think the same thing, but you need to tune them (bend the
ring
on
top) if they're not tracking straight. Also, when you have two of
them
out,
put the shallower Stretch 18 or 25 out to about 150-200 feet, and the
deeper
running Stretch 30 out to 75-100 feet.

I have one that I couldn't get to run true no matter what I did.

Then I figured it out.

Steel leaders. For some reason, the things don't like to run on steel
leaders. Why that should make a difference I don't know.

I know a lot of guys who use stainless leaders with Mann's, so
something
sound "fishy" with that explanation.

I use 60-85lb fluoro.

I sometimes use nylon-coated stainless leaders, but only when there are
large blues in the water. They'll snap right through the light
flourocarbon I use on my light tackle.

Even with light tackle, I use heavy leaders - usually twice the weight
I'm throwing at a minimum.

Later,

Tom

For trolling I use 50lb braided line and 60lb monofilament leaders. If I
had the
big bucks I'd use the fluorocarbon leaders, but no rockfish is worth that
kind
of money!

Triple Fish makes an affordable fluorocarbon. With fluoro, I never lose a
fish due to a cut leader.


The Chesapeake has a mud, sand, grass, etc. for a bottom. In some places there
are shells, but no coral outcroppings or other sharp stuff that really mangles
line. Cut leaders isn't a problem I've ever come across fishing in the bay. A
bluefish will cut a leader, but mostly we'll use a nylon coated wire leader when
fishing for them.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Sat, 07 May 2005 08:32:10 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Fri, 6 May 2005 17:23:45 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 06 May 2005 10:15:51 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 05 May 2005 21:27:53 -0400, "Harry.Krause"
wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 5 May 2005 19:33:48 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:

~~ snippage ~~


I used to think the same thing, but you need to tune them (bend the
ring
on
top) if they're not tracking straight. Also, when you have two of
them
out,
put the shallower Stretch 18 or 25 out to about 150-200 feet, and the
deeper
running Stretch 30 out to 75-100 feet.

I have one that I couldn't get to run true no matter what I did.

Then I figured it out.

Steel leaders. For some reason, the things don't like to run on steel
leaders. Why that should make a difference I don't know.

I know a lot of guys who use stainless leaders with Mann's, so
something
sound "fishy" with that explanation.

I use 60-85lb fluoro.

I sometimes use nylon-coated stainless leaders, but only when there are
large blues in the water. They'll snap right through the light
flourocarbon I use on my light tackle.

Even with light tackle, I use heavy leaders - usually twice the weight
I'm throwing at a minimum.

For trolling I use 50lb braided line and 60lb monofilament leaders. If I
had the
big bucks I'd use the fluorocarbon leaders, but no rockfish is worth that
kind
of money!

Triple Fish makes an affordable fluorocarbon. With fluoro, I never lose a
fish due to a cut leader.

The Chesapeake has a mud, sand, grass, etc. for a bottom. In some places there
are shells, but no coral outcroppings or other sharp stuff that really mangles
line. Cut leaders isn't a problem I've ever come across fishing in the bay. A
bluefish will cut a leader, but mostly we'll use a nylon coated wire leader when
fishing for them.

I've only been cut off once in the past few years using 50 lb Ande
blue florescent. And that fish hit high on the line, so it wasn't a
busted leader.

I'm telling 'ya - I love that stuff. :)

Later,

Tom

On Sat, 07 May 2005 12:51:41 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sat, 07 May 2005 08:32:10 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Fri, 6 May 2005 17:23:45 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 May 2005 10:15:51 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 05 May 2005 21:27:53 -0400, "Harry.Krause"
wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 5 May 2005 19:33:48 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:

~~ snippage ~~


I used to think the same thing, but you need to tune them (bend the
ring
on
top) if they're not tracking straight. Also, when you have two of
them
out,
put the shallower Stretch 18 or 25 out to about 150-200 feet, and the
deeper
running Stretch 30 out to 75-100 feet.

I have one that I couldn't get to run true no matter what I did.

Then I figured it out.

Steel leaders. For some reason, the things don't like to run on steel
leaders. Why that should make a difference I don't know.

I know a lot of guys who use stainless leaders with Mann's, so
something
sound "fishy" with that explanation.

I use 60-85lb fluoro.

I sometimes use nylon-coated stainless leaders, but only when there are
large blues in the water. They'll snap right through the light
flourocarbon I use on my light tackle.

Even with light tackle, I use heavy leaders - usually twice the weight
I'm throwing at a minimum.

For trolling I use 50lb braided line and 60lb monofilament leaders. If I
had the
big bucks I'd use the fluorocarbon leaders, but no rockfish is worth that
kind
of money!

Triple Fish makes an affordable fluorocarbon. With fluoro, I never lose a
fish due to a cut leader.

The Chesapeake has a mud, sand, grass, etc. for a bottom. In some places there
are shells, but no coral outcroppings or other sharp stuff that really mangles
line. Cut leaders isn't a problem I've ever come across fishing in the bay. A
bluefish will cut a leader, but mostly we'll use a nylon coated wire leader when
fishing for them.

I've only been cut off once in the past few years using 50 lb Ande
blue florescent. And that fish hit high on the line, so it wasn't a
busted leader.

I'm telling 'ya - I love that stuff. :)

Later,

Tom

I'm using 60lb Ande, but I don't know if it's blue flourescent. I'll check next
time I'm on the boat.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Thu, 05 May 2005 16:40:27 -0400, John H
wrote:

Got a late start this morning 'cause dummy me forgot to call the marina and have
the boat put in the water. Oh well.

Thats why I leave all my boats in the water year round. If you have
the money I do, you can do that.