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Complete collapse of North Atlantic fishing predicted
The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it may
completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive survey of the entire ocean's fishery. "We'll all be eating jellyfish sandwiches," says Reg Watson, a fisheries scientist at the University of British Columbia. Putting new ocean-wide management plans into place is the only way to reverse the trend, Watson and his colleagues say. North Atlantic catches have fallen by half since 1950, despite a tripling of the effort put into catching them. The total number of fish in the ocean has fallen even further, they say, with just one sixth as many high-quality "table fish" like cod and tuna as there were in 1900. Fish prices have risen six fold in real terms in 50 years. The shortage of table fish has forced a switch to other species. "The jellyfish sandwich is not a metaphor - jellyfish is being exported from the US," says Daniel Pauly, also at the University of British Columbia. "In the Gulf of Maine people were catching cod a few decades ago. Now they're catching sea cucumber. By earlier standards, these things are repulsive," he says. Off limits The only hope for the fishery is to drastically limit fishing, for instance by declaring large portions of the ocean off-limits and at the same time reducing the number of fishing ships. Piecemeal efforts to protect certain fisheries have only caused the fishing fleet to overfish somewhere else, such as west Africa. "It's like shuffling the deckchairs on the Titanic," says Andrew Rosenberg, at the University of New Hampshire. He says the number of boats must be reduced: "Less is actually more with fisheries. If you fish less you get more fish." Normally, falling catches would drive some fishers out of business. But government subsidies actually encourage overfishing, Watson says, with subsidies totalling about $2.5 billion a year in the North Atlantic. However, Rosenberg was sceptical that any international fishing agreements currently on the table will turn the tide in a short enough timescale. The UN's Food and Agriculture Organization and the OECD have initiatives but these are voluntary, he says. A UN-backed monitoring and enforcement plan of action is being discussed but could take 10 years to come into force. Pauly says only a public reaction like that against whaling in the 1970s would be enough to bring about sufficient change in the way the fish stocks are managed. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn1940 |
I agree the North Atlantic hs been overfished for years, but I don't
take much stock out of a report filed by a marine biologist from the U of British Columbia that pretty much says now they're catching sea cukes in the Gulf of Maine as table fare, when in reality they sell 99.9% of the cukes they dive for to asian countries, and as far as I know they've never been considered repulsive to the Asian's that eat them. Same goes for sea urchins, I also know the US doesn't subsidize US fishing vessels, so this must be a canadian thing, As a matter of fact the US has had a permit buyback program going on for several years, Thats the reason you see so many F/V's tied to the dock with for sale signs. W/O Permit. UD http://community.webtv.net/capuglyda...inUglyDansJack |
Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers wrote: The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it may completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive survey of the entire ocean's fishery. Since when do YOU care about the environment? Don't you like the republican creed that anything to do with negative affects on the environment is voodoo science? |
wrote in message oups.com... Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers wrote: The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it may completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive survey of the entire ocean's fishery. Since when do YOU care about the environment? Don't you like the republican creed that anything to do with negative affects on the environment is voodoo science? Is everything black and white for you? *All republicans think and act this way....... *All* democrats think and act this way...... Trying expanding your horizon Kevin. You may find a whole new world out there that you never knew existed. ;-) |
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On Wed, 4 May 2005 13:37:03 -0400, "Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers"
Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote: The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it may completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive survey of the entire ocean's fishery. "We'll all be eating jellyfish sandwiches," says Reg Watson, a fisheries scientist at the University of British Columbia. Putting new ocean-wide management plans into place is the only way to reverse the trend, Watson and his colleagues say. North Atlantic catches have fallen by half since 1950, despite a tripling of the effort put into catching them. The total number of fish in the ocean has fallen even further, they say, with just one sixth as many high-quality "table fish" like cod and tuna as there were in 1900. Fish prices have risen six fold in real terms in 50 years. The shortage of table fish has forced a switch to other species. "The jellyfish sandwich is not a metaphor - jellyfish is being exported from the US," says Daniel Pauly, also at the University of British Columbia. "In the Gulf of Maine people were catching cod a few decades ago. Now they're catching sea cucumber. By earlier standards, these things are repulsive," he says. Off limits The only hope for the fishery is to drastically limit fishing, for instance by declaring large portions of the ocean off-limits and at the same time reducing the number of fishing ships. Piecemeal efforts to protect certain fisheries have only caused the fishing fleet to overfish somewhere else, such as west Africa. "It's like shuffling the deckchairs on the Titanic," says Andrew Rosenberg, at the University of New Hampshire. He says the number of boats must be reduced: "Less is actually more with fisheries. If you fish less you get more fish." Normally, falling catches would drive some fishers out of business. But government subsidies actually encourage overfishing, Watson says, with subsidies totalling about $2.5 billion a year in the North Atlantic. However, Rosenberg was sceptical that any international fishing agreements currently on the table will turn the tide in a short enough timescale. The UN's Food and Agriculture Organization and the OECD have initiatives but these are voluntary, he says. A UN-backed monitoring and enforcement plan of action is being discussed but could take 10 years to come into force. Pauly says only a public reaction like that against whaling in the 1970s would be enough to bring about sufficient change in the way the fish stocks are managed. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn1940 Over fishing for menhaden is affecting the water quality and other species of fish in the bay. The government will probably put more restrictions on sport fishermen and say they've done a good job. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
Kevin,
What is wrong with you? You had to take an on topic post and turn it into a political discussion. Well since you did, let me respond. You Democratic Borgmen just follow whatever your party bosses tell you, but some of us are smart enough to think for themselves. You might have been able to think for yourself if your mind was not destroyed from excessive drug use. Have you ever figured out if you graduated from Ga. Tech or Univ. of Penn? wrote in message oups.com... Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers wrote: The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it may completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive survey of the entire ocean's fishery. Since when do YOU care about the environment? Don't you like the republican creed that anything to do with negative affects on the environment is voodoo science? |
"John H" wrote in message ... On Wed, 4 May 2005 13:37:03 -0400, "Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote: The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it may completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive survey of the entire ocean's fishery. "We'll all be eating jellyfish sandwiches," says Reg Watson, a fisheries scientist at the University of British Columbia. Putting new ocean-wide management plans into place is the only way to reverse the trend, Watson and his colleagues say. North Atlantic catches have fallen by half since 1950, despite a tripling of the effort put into catching them. The total number of fish in the ocean has fallen even further, they say, with just one sixth as many high-quality "table fish" like cod and tuna as there were in 1900. Fish prices have risen six fold in real terms in 50 years. The shortage of table fish has forced a switch to other species. "The jellyfish sandwich is not a metaphor - jellyfish is being exported from the US," says Daniel Pauly, also at the University of British Columbia. "In the Gulf of Maine people were catching cod a few decades ago. Now they're catching sea cucumber. By earlier standards, these things are repulsive," he says. Off limits The only hope for the fishery is to drastically limit fishing, for instance by declaring large portions of the ocean off-limits and at the same time reducing the number of fishing ships. Piecemeal efforts to protect certain fisheries have only caused the fishing fleet to overfish somewhere else, such as west Africa. "It's like shuffling the deckchairs on the Titanic," says Andrew Rosenberg, at the University of New Hampshire. He says the number of boats must be reduced: "Less is actually more with fisheries. If you fish less you get more fish." Normally, falling catches would drive some fishers out of business. But government subsidies actually encourage overfishing, Watson says, with subsidies totalling about $2.5 billion a year in the North Atlantic. However, Rosenberg was sceptical that any international fishing agreements currently on the table will turn the tide in a short enough timescale. The UN's Food and Agriculture Organization and the OECD have initiatives but these are voluntary, he says. A UN-backed monitoring and enforcement plan of action is being discussed but could take 10 years to come into force. Pauly says only a public reaction like that against whaling in the 1970s would be enough to bring about sufficient change in the way the fish stocks are managed. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn1940 Over fishing for menhaden is affecting the water quality and other species of fish in the bay. The government will probably put more restrictions on sport fishermen and say they've done a good job. Last year, Florida introduced new regulations to curb the overfishing of grouper. Commercial guys hit their quota around September, and no more Gulf grouper could be caught commercially for the rest of the year. The recreation guys were told that we could keep no more than 5 grouper total...and only 2 of them could be red grouper (5/2) This year, the commercial guys seem to have successfully lobbied to get the recreational limit curbed even further. We may be facing a limit decrease from 5/2 to 3/1. We also may be facing a *CLOSED* season from October through December. What strikes me as incredibly unfair is the fact that recreational anglers are being assigned equal blame for the decline. We're the majority, yet we account for only about 10% of the grouper taken from the Gulf. Overfishing is a problem created by commercial fisherman, and not the fault of the recreational angler. |
"Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message ... Kevin, What is wrong with you? You had to take an on topic post and turn it into a political discussion. Well since you did, let me respond. You Democratic Borgmen just follow whatever your party bosses tell you, but some of us are smart enough to think for themselves. You might have been able to think for yourself if your mind was not destroyed from excessive drug use. Have you ever figured out if you graduated from Ga. Tech or Univ. of Penn? There is no Kevin Noble in the alumni directory at Ga.Tech wrote in message oups.com... Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers wrote: The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it may completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive survey of the entire ocean's fishery. Since when do YOU care about the environment? Don't you like the republican creed that anything to do with negative affects on the environment is voodoo science? |
"Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
... The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it may completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive survey of the entire ocean's fishery. "We'll all be eating jellyfish sandwiches," says Reg Watson, a fisheries scientist at the University of British Columbia. Putting new ocean-wide management plans into place is the only way to reverse the trend, Watson and his colleagues say. Although I'm the first to agree that we should err on the side of caution with regard to the environment, you have to take what fisheries scientists say with a grain (or a bag) of salt. I recently read a great book called "The Secret Life of Lobsters". There are parallel stories going on throughout the book, but much of it deals with the fact that scientists were making all sorts of dire predictions about lobster harvests, and nagging lobstermen to do something about it. As it turned out, the lobstermen already had (and still have) a very effective culling process, putting back certain sizes (too small, lobsters with eggs, large males which they knew were scarce and had to exist to keep things going). The scientists never bothered to look at the figures kept by the lobstermen, even though it represented extremely useful data. It also contradicted their "science", much of which was based on computer models. I realize there's a difference between lobster fishing, where the creatures are hand-selected as they're removed from the traps, and drag net fishing, where everything in the path of the net is caught. But still.....the fishermen themselves have a stake in preserving what's left. I wonder what they're seeing from day to day. |
"John H" wrote in message
... Over fishing for menhaden is affecting the water quality and other species of fish in the bay. The government will probably put more restrictions on sport fishermen and say they've done a good job. How does it affect water quality? |
On Wed, 04 May 2005 21:20:25 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message ... The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it may completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive survey of the entire ocean's fishery. "We'll all be eating jellyfish sandwiches," says Reg Watson, a fisheries scientist at the University of British Columbia. Putting new ocean-wide management plans into place is the only way to reverse the trend, Watson and his colleagues say. Although I'm the first to agree that we should err on the side of caution with regard to the environment, you have to take what fisheries scientists say with a grain (or a bag) of salt. I recently read a great book called "The Secret Life of Lobsters". There are parallel stories going on throughout the book, but much of it deals with the fact that scientists were making all sorts of dire predictions about lobster harvests, and nagging lobstermen to do something about it. As it turned out, the lobstermen already had (and still have) a very effective culling process, putting back certain sizes (too small, lobsters with eggs, large males which they knew were scarce and had to exist to keep things going). The scientists never bothered to look at the figures kept by the lobstermen, even though it represented extremely useful data. It also contradicted their "science", much of which was based on computer models. I realize there's a difference between lobster fishing, where the creatures are hand-selected as they're removed from the traps, and drag net fishing, where everything in the path of the net is caught. But still.....the fishermen themselves have a stake in preserving what's left. I wonder what they're seeing from day to day. That's a great book and I'm glad you recommended it to me. Later, Tom |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Wed, 04 May 2005 21:20:25 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message ... The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it may completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive survey of the entire ocean's fishery. "We'll all be eating jellyfish sandwiches," says Reg Watson, a fisheries scientist at the University of British Columbia. Putting new ocean-wide management plans into place is the only way to reverse the trend, Watson and his colleagues say. Although I'm the first to agree that we should err on the side of caution with regard to the environment, you have to take what fisheries scientists say with a grain (or a bag) of salt. I recently read a great book called "The Secret Life of Lobsters". There are parallel stories going on throughout the book, but much of it deals with the fact that scientists were making all sorts of dire predictions about lobster harvests, and nagging lobstermen to do something about it. As it turned out, the lobstermen already had (and still have) a very effective culling process, putting back certain sizes (too small, lobsters with eggs, large males which they knew were scarce and had to exist to keep things going). The scientists never bothered to look at the figures kept by the lobstermen, even though it represented extremely useful data. It also contradicted their "science", much of which was based on computer models. I realize there's a difference between lobster fishing, where the creatures are hand-selected as they're removed from the traps, and drag net fishing, where everything in the path of the net is caught. But still.....the fishermen themselves have a stake in preserving what's left. I wonder what they're seeing from day to day. That's a great book and I'm glad you recommended it to me. Later, Tom If only we could attract mates by urinating in their direction. :-) Great book. |
On Wed, 04 May 2005 21:21:35 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . Over fishing for menhaden is affecting the water quality and other species of fish in the bay. The government will probably put more restrictions on sport fishermen and say they've done a good job. How does it affect water quality? From: http://www.chesbay.org/forageFish/menhaden.asp "Atlantic menhaden are the most important and one of the most abundant fish species in the Chesapeake Bay. During summer months, these fish swim in large schools and their silvery bodies can often be seen near the water's surface. Juveniles primarily feed on zooplankton, but adults are mainly herbivores, but retain the ability to feed on zooplankton. The adults are very adaptable and will feed on several species of phytoplankton, as well as suspended organic plant detritus. Atlantic menhaden are an ecologically critical fish species. They consume and redistribute a significant amount of energy within and between the Chesapeake Bay and other estuaries, and the coastal ocean. This is due, in part, to their tremendous numbers, individual growth rate, filter feeding capacity, and seasonal movements. An adult fish can filter up to a million gallons of water every 180 days. ***A healthy Atlantic menhaden population has the potential to consume up to 25% of the Bay's nitrogen in 1-year.*** Menhaden are also an extremely important prey species for many predatory fish such as striped bass, bluefish, weakfish, and spanish mackerel. Because or their schooling behavior, they are also a favorite target for the common loon, herons, egrets, ospreys, and eagles. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"John H" wrote in message ... On Wed, 04 May 2005 21:21:35 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "John H" wrote in message . .. Over fishing for menhaden is affecting the water quality and other species of fish in the bay. The government will probably put more restrictions on sport fishermen and say they've done a good job. How does it affect water quality? From: http://www.chesbay.org/forageFish/menhaden.asp "Atlantic menhaden are the most important and one of the most abundant fish species in the Chesapeake Bay. During summer months, these fish swim in large schools and their silvery bodies can often be seen near the water's surface. Juveniles primarily feed on zooplankton, but adults are mainly herbivores, but retain the ability to feed on zooplankton. The adults are very adaptable and will feed on several species of phytoplankton, as well as suspended organic plant detritus. Atlantic menhaden are an ecologically critical fish species. They consume and redistribute a significant amount of energy within and between the Chesapeake Bay and other estuaries, and the coastal ocean. This is due, in part, to their tremendous numbers, individual growth rate, filter feeding capacity, and seasonal movements. An adult fish can filter up to a million gallons of water every 180 days. ***A healthy Atlantic menhaden population has the potential to consume up to 25% of the Bay's nitrogen in 1-year.*** Menhaden are also an extremely important prey species for many predatory fish such as striped bass, bluefish, weakfish, and spanish mackerel. Because or their schooling behavior, they are also a favorite target for the common loon, herons, egrets, ospreys, and eagles. Amazing! It's like....if the filter on your aquarium dies when you're on vacation! |
On Thu, 05 May 2005 00:12:22 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 04 May 2005 21:21:35 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... Over fishing for menhaden is affecting the water quality and other species of fish in the bay. The government will probably put more restrictions on sport fishermen and say they've done a good job. How does it affect water quality? From: http://www.chesbay.org/forageFish/menhaden.asp "Atlantic menhaden are the most important and one of the most abundant fish species in the Chesapeake Bay. During summer months, these fish swim in large schools and their silvery bodies can often be seen near the water's surface. Juveniles primarily feed on zooplankton, but adults are mainly herbivores, but retain the ability to feed on zooplankton. The adults are very adaptable and will feed on several species of phytoplankton, as well as suspended organic plant detritus. Atlantic menhaden are an ecologically critical fish species. They consume and redistribute a significant amount of energy within and between the Chesapeake Bay and other estuaries, and the coastal ocean. This is due, in part, to their tremendous numbers, individual growth rate, filter feeding capacity, and seasonal movements. An adult fish can filter up to a million gallons of water every 180 days. ***A healthy Atlantic menhaden population has the potential to consume up to 25% of the Bay's nitrogen in 1-year.*** Menhaden are also an extremely important prey species for many predatory fish such as striped bass, bluefish, weakfish, and spanish mackerel. Because or their schooling behavior, they are also a favorite target for the common loon, herons, egrets, ospreys, and eagles. Amazing! It's like....if the filter on your aquarium dies when you're on vacation! Good analogy. The bay's dead spots are no longer 'spots'. http://www.cbf.org/site/PageServer?p...facts_deadzone -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
John H wrote
snipped John, Have you taken into account that Menhaden are used primarily as a fertilizer? Damn there goes that nitrogen theory! The Chesapeake Bay Foundatoin is nothing more than a wannabee greenpeace org, and has been since its inceptionincepcion. My advice Go to Reedsville, Sign on to a Menhaden processor, and learn about fishing. Heck if nothing else you'll get a free tour on an old Minesweeper. Tell Joe Humphrey or his son, UD sent you. http://community.webtv.net/capuglyda...inUglyDansJack |
"John H" wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 May 2005 00:12:22 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "John H" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 04 May 2005 21:21:35 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "John H" wrote in message m... Over fishing for menhaden is affecting the water quality and other species of fish in the bay. The government will probably put more restrictions on sport fishermen and say they've done a good job. How does it affect water quality? From: http://www.chesbay.org/forageFish/menhaden.asp "Atlantic menhaden are the most important and one of the most abundant fish species in the Chesapeake Bay. During summer months, these fish swim in large schools and their silvery bodies can often be seen near the water's surface. Juveniles primarily feed on zooplankton, but adults are mainly herbivores, but retain the ability to feed on zooplankton. The adults are very adaptable and will feed on several species of phytoplankton, as well as suspended organic plant detritus. Atlantic menhaden are an ecologically critical fish species. They consume and redistribute a significant amount of energy within and between the Chesapeake Bay and other estuaries, and the coastal ocean. This is due, in part, to their tremendous numbers, individual growth rate, filter feeding capacity, and seasonal movements. An adult fish can filter up to a million gallons of water every 180 days. ***A healthy Atlantic menhaden population has the potential to consume up to 25% of the Bay's nitrogen in 1-year.*** Menhaden are also an extremely important prey species for many predatory fish such as striped bass, bluefish, weakfish, and spanish mackerel. Because or their schooling behavior, they are also a favorite target for the common loon, herons, egrets, ospreys, and eagles. Amazing! It's like....if the filter on your aquarium dies when you're on vacation! Good analogy. The bay's dead spots are no longer 'spots'. http://www.cbf.org/site/PageServer?p...facts_deadzone -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Come on down to NO and the wetlands south. Plenty of fish, hunting, decent weather, occasional killer hurricane to thin out the bad bloods. Good eats, too. |
P.Fritz wrote: "Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message ... Kevin, What is wrong with you? You had to take an on topic post and turn it into a political discussion. Well since you did, let me respond. You Democratic Borgmen just follow whatever your party bosses tell you, but some of us are smart enough to think for themselves. You might have been able to think for yourself if your mind was not destroyed from excessive drug use. Have you ever figured out if you graduated from Ga. Tech or Univ. of Penn? There is no Kevin Noble in the alumni directory at Ga.Tech Could well be, Fritz. |
JimH wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers wrote: The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it may completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive survey of the entire ocean's fishery. Since when do YOU care about the environment? Don't you like the republican creed that anything to do with negative affects on the environment is voodoo science? Is everything black and white for you? *All republicans think and act this way....... *All* democrats think and act this way...... Trying expanding your horizon Kevin. You may find a whole new world out there that you never knew existed. ;-) I'm not Kevin. But, since you are spewing crap my way, I'll answer. Smithers has, on several occasions here, when speaking about environmental issues, stated that the science was just erred because the research was done by well educated people, and that most academic types are liberals. |
John H wrote: bk, why don't you put your head back up your ass and quit messing with decent threads! -- John H Uh, oh, John's going off the deep end again. I suppose I'll see this about a thousand times a day for awhile...... So, John, do you think the above rant is adding anything of value to this thread? |
I have never said anything remotely close to that, especially since I
believe the exact opposite. wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers wrote: The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it may completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive survey of the entire ocean's fishery. Since when do YOU care about the environment? Don't you like the republican creed that anything to do with negative affects on the environment is voodoo science? Is everything black and white for you? *All republicans think and act this way....... *All* democrats think and act this way...... Trying expanding your horizon Kevin. You may find a whole new world out there that you never knew existed. ;-) I'm not Kevin. But, since you are spewing crap my way, I'll answer. Smithers has, on several occasions here, when speaking about environmental issues, stated that the science was just erred because the research was done by well educated people, and that most academic types are liberals. |
"John H" wrote in message
... You're right, UD, the Chesapeake is as pristine as it ever was. All those bad stories are just that. -- John H He's right, John. All negative reports about the environment come from left-wing wackos who were mistakenly given degrees from dubious colleges. Like Cornell. :-) |
"Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message ... I have never said anything remotely close to that, especially since I believe the exact opposite. The proper response to Kevin's statement should have been "Please provide proof.................." wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers wrote: The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it may completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive survey of the entire ocean's fishery. Since when do YOU care about the environment? Don't you like the republican creed that anything to do with negative affects on the environment is voodoo science? Is everything black and white for you? *All republicans think and act this way....... *All* democrats think and act this way...... Trying expanding your horizon Kevin. You may find a whole new world out there that you never knew existed. ;-) I'm not Kevin. But, since you are spewing crap my way, I'll answer. Smithers has, on several occasions here, when speaking about environmental issues, stated that the science was just erred because the research was done by well educated people, and that most academic types are liberals. |
On Thu, 05 May 2005 13:37:46 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . You're right, UD, the Chesapeake is as pristine as it ever was. All those bad stories are just that. -- John H He's right, John. All negative reports about the environment come from left-wing wackos who were mistakenly given degrees from dubious colleges. Like Cornell. :-) He's right, you're right, and I'm right. We *really* only need one party! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
On Thu, 5 May 2005 07:31:45 -0400, "SoFarrell" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 05 May 2005 00:12:22 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Wed, 04 May 2005 21:21:35 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "John H" wrote in message om... Over fishing for menhaden is affecting the water quality and other species of fish in the bay. The government will probably put more restrictions on sport fishermen and say they've done a good job. How does it affect water quality? From: http://www.chesbay.org/forageFish/menhaden.asp "Atlantic menhaden are the most important and one of the most abundant fish species in the Chesapeake Bay. During summer months, these fish swim in large schools and their silvery bodies can often be seen near the water's surface. Juveniles primarily feed on zooplankton, but adults are mainly herbivores, but retain the ability to feed on zooplankton. The adults are very adaptable and will feed on several species of phytoplankton, as well as suspended organic plant detritus. Atlantic menhaden are an ecologically critical fish species. They consume and redistribute a significant amount of energy within and between the Chesapeake Bay and other estuaries, and the coastal ocean. This is due, in part, to their tremendous numbers, individual growth rate, filter feeding capacity, and seasonal movements. An adult fish can filter up to a million gallons of water every 180 days. ***A healthy Atlantic menhaden population has the potential to consume up to 25% of the Bay's nitrogen in 1-year.*** Menhaden are also an extremely important prey species for many predatory fish such as striped bass, bluefish, weakfish, and spanish mackerel. Because or their schooling behavior, they are also a favorite target for the common loon, herons, egrets, ospreys, and eagles. Amazing! It's like....if the filter on your aquarium dies when you're on vacation! Good analogy. The bay's dead spots are no longer 'spots'. http://www.cbf.org/site/PageServer?p...facts_deadzone -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Come on down to NO and the wetlands south. Plenty of fish, hunting, decent weather, occasional killer hurricane to thin out the bad bloods. Good eats, too. Where's NO? If I didn't have kids and grandkids (five, now!) in the area I'd move in a heartbeat. But it would probably be to the Solomons Island, MD, area. Fishing is pretty good down there. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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NO is New Orleans. Great city for food, it is a Sportsman Paradise, but the
state has some of the worst pollution in the US. "John H" wrote in message ... On Thu, 5 May 2005 07:31:45 -0400, "SoFarrell" wrote: "John H" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 05 May 2005 00:12:22 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "John H" wrote in message m... On Wed, 04 May 2005 21:21:35 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:bn5i719r6ugdc4uvau8ht4v6mirhg4j7no@4ax. com... Over fishing for menhaden is affecting the water quality and other species of fish in the bay. The government will probably put more restrictions on sport fishermen and say they've done a good job. How does it affect water quality? From: http://www.chesbay.org/forageFish/menhaden.asp "Atlantic menhaden are the most important and one of the most abundant fish species in the Chesapeake Bay. During summer months, these fish swim in large schools and their silvery bodies can often be seen near the water's surface. Juveniles primarily feed on zooplankton, but adults are mainly herbivores, but retain the ability to feed on zooplankton. The adults are very adaptable and will feed on several species of phytoplankton, as well as suspended organic plant detritus. Atlantic menhaden are an ecologically critical fish species. They consume and redistribute a significant amount of energy within and between the Chesapeake Bay and other estuaries, and the coastal ocean. This is due, in part, to their tremendous numbers, individual growth rate, filter feeding capacity, and seasonal movements. An adult fish can filter up to a million gallons of water every 180 days. ***A healthy Atlantic menhaden population has the potential to consume up to 25% of the Bay's nitrogen in 1-year.*** Menhaden are also an extremely important prey species for many predatory fish such as striped bass, bluefish, weakfish, and spanish mackerel. Because or their schooling behavior, they are also a favorite target for the common loon, herons, egrets, ospreys, and eagles. Amazing! It's like....if the filter on your aquarium dies when you're on vacation! Good analogy. The bay's dead spots are no longer 'spots'. http://www.cbf.org/site/PageServer?p...facts_deadzone -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Come on down to NO and the wetlands south. Plenty of fish, hunting, decent weather, occasional killer hurricane to thin out the bad bloods. Good eats, too. Where's NO? If I didn't have kids and grandkids (five, now!) in the area I'd move in a heartbeat. But it would probably be to the Solomons Island, MD, area. Fishing is pretty good down there. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
JohnH,
I am and have always been an environmentalist. Kevin Noble just assumed since I am a conservative that I must also like pollution. It is a problem with liberals they just goose-step to whatever the party line tells them to do. "John H" wrote in message ... On 5 May 2005 05:12:42 -0700, wrote: JimH wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers wrote: The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it may completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive survey of the entire ocean's fishery. Since when do YOU care about the environment? Don't you like the republican creed that anything to do with negative affects on the environment is voodoo science? Is everything black and white for you? *All republicans think and act this way....... *All* democrats think and act this way...... Trying expanding your horizon Kevin. You may find a whole new world out there that you never knew existed. ;-) I'm not Kevin. But, since you are spewing crap my way, I'll answer. Smithers has, on several occasions here, when speaking about environmental issues, stated that the science was just erred because the research was done by well educated people, and that most academic types are liberals. Apparently Doug feels the same way: "He's right, John. All negative reports about the environment come from left-wing wackos who were mistakenly given degrees from dubious colleges. Like Cornell. :-) " Of course, there *is* the smiley face! Maybe Smithers just left his off? Why do you keep denying you're Kevin? -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
I know it. I was just kidding. Did you honestly think I accidentally took
something Kevin said seriously? On Thu, 5 May 2005 17:12:34 -0400, "Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote: JohnH, I am and have always been an environmentalist. Kevin Noble just assumed since I am a conservative that I must also like pollution. It is a problem with liberals they just goose-step to whatever the party line tells them to do. "John H" wrote in message .. . On 5 May 2005 05:12:42 -0700, wrote: JimH wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers wrote: The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it may completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive survey of the entire ocean's fishery. Since when do YOU care about the environment? Don't you like the republican creed that anything to do with negative affects on the environment is voodoo science? Is everything black and white for you? *All republicans think and act this way....... *All* democrats think and act this way...... Trying expanding your horizon Kevin. You may find a whole new world out there that you never knew existed. ;-) I'm not Kevin. But, since you are spewing crap my way, I'll answer. Smithers has, on several occasions here, when speaking about environmental issues, stated that the science was just erred because the research was done by well educated people, and that most academic types are liberals. Apparently Doug feels the same way: "He's right, John. All negative reports about the environment come from left-wing wackos who were mistakenly given degrees from dubious colleges. Like Cornell. :-) " Of course, there *is* the smiley face! Maybe Smithers just left his off? Why do you keep denying you're Kevin? -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
On Wed, 4 May 2005 13:37:03 -0400, "Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers"
Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote: The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it may completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive survey of the entire ocean's fishery. I was the lead researcher for that study. I was paid a 6 digit check for my services. |
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