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"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... Perhaps. But only if the ACLU continues to dismantle the President's authority to detain illegal combatants in this war on terror. You mean, the government's new hobby, detaining people like these? And, don't hand us any bull**** about the source, as you usually do. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Apr20.html Muslims Detained at Border Sue U.S. Homeland Security By Michelle Garcia Special to The Washington Post Thursday, April 21, 2005; Page A08 NEW YORK, April 20 -- American Muslims detained at the border as they returned from a religious conference in Toronto sued the Department of Homeland Security on Wednesday alleging they were targets of ethnic and religious profiling. The five Muslims, all U.S. citizens, say customs officials detained dozens of others from their conference in December, subjecting them to interrogations, fingerprinting and photographing. I have no problem with the "source" of this story...nor with actions of the Dept. of Homeland Security. Those 5 folks who were detained are certainly more apt to commit terrorist attacks than an 80 year old grandmother. It's about time they started racial profiling...especially for people who travel to "conferences" that have suspected ties to terrorism. Besides...questioning, fingerprinting, and photographing hardly qualify as "detainment". So what's the big deal? But professor, you objected to the exact same type of policies when practiced by the USSR. Sorry. Can't have it both ways. No I didn't. I'm all for a National Photo ID card and fingerprint and/or retinal scans at the airport and border crossings. Nope. You're lying. When you were younger, you went along with the anti-communist party line, agreed with Reagan 100% about his "evil empire" views. The totalitarian tactics were the bane of your existence. You only claim to approve of them now because the only way you can tread water in a debate is to bait your opponents. |
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: Why don't you tell us, you live in a society that is closer to communism? 1930's Germany was closer to communism than America under Bush! I knew that a good communist, like you Don, would know a lot about it. What's a communist, Bertie-girl? |
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... Perhaps. But only if the ACLU continues to dismantle the President's authority to detain illegal combatants in this war on terror. You mean, the government's new hobby, detaining people like these? And, don't hand us any bull**** about the source, as you usually do. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Apr20.html Muslims Detained at Border Sue U.S. Homeland Security By Michelle Garcia Special to The Washington Post Thursday, April 21, 2005; Page A08 NEW YORK, April 20 -- American Muslims detained at the border as they returned from a religious conference in Toronto sued the Department of Homeland Security on Wednesday alleging they were targets of ethnic and religious profiling. The five Muslims, all U.S. citizens, say customs officials detained dozens of others from their conference in December, subjecting them to interrogations, fingerprinting and photographing. I have no problem with the "source" of this story...nor with actions of the Dept. of Homeland Security. Those 5 folks who were detained are certainly more apt to commit terrorist attacks than an 80 year old grandmother. It's about time they started racial profiling...especially for people who travel to "conferences" that have suspected ties to terrorism. Besides...questioning, fingerprinting, and photographing hardly qualify as "detainment". So what's the big deal? But professor, you objected to the exact same type of policies when practiced by the USSR. Sorry. Can't have it both ways. No I didn't. I'm all for a National Photo ID card and fingerprint and/or retinal scans at the airport and border crossings. Nope. You're lying. When you were younger, you went along with the anti-communist party line, agreed with Reagan 100% about his "evil empire" views. The totalitarian tactics were the bane of your existence. You only claim to approve of them now because the only way you can tread water in a debate is to bait your opponents. WTF are you talking about? |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: Why don't you tell us, you live in a society that is closer to communism? 1930's Germany was closer to communism than America under Bush! I knew that a good communist, like you Don, would know a lot about it. What's a communist, Bertie-girl? From: http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...nist&x=27&y=15 Main Entry: com·mu·nist Pronunciation: 'käm-y&-nist Function: noun 1 : an adherent or advocate of communism 2 capitalized : COMMUNARD 3 a capitalized : a member of a Communist party or movement b often capitalized : an adherent or advocate of a Communist government, party, or movement 4 often capitalized : one held to engage in left-wing, subversive, or revolutionary activities - communist adjective, often capitalized - com·mu·nis·tic /"käm-y&-'nis-tik/ adjective, often capitalized - com·mu·nis·ti·cal·ly /-ti-k(&-)lE/ I'll use #4. |
"Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: Why don't you tell us, you live in a society that is closer to communism? 1930's Germany was closer to communism than America under Bush! I knew that a good communist, like you Don, would know a lot about it. As opposed to Bert, who joined the Marine Corps to fight communism, but knew nothing about it. Interestingly, both Bert and our latest anonymous remailer poster curse about the same. Anyone else notice? You are too funny. Are you going to go fishing in river that your 36' lobsta boat can't navigate this weekend? When stripper trophy season is in full swing you are fishing for Blue Gill in a fresh water river hundreds of miles from the bay? |
"A.Melon" wrote in message news:24a8219db826a193d52ce5d19805ad12@melontraffic kers.com... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Tue, 03 May 2005, bb wrote: Snipped Do you really squeal like a pig when you get a big dick in your ass? I heard you whine and moan and yell "more, more, deeper". -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.58ckt iQA/AwUBQng6ySkklmLVsf/xEQLfjACgyWx6xn0MTXvx9T59o39W3/4nntYAoIrU aofsaezB1wX3aa9p6EpBKR0c =Gm3Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Would you please stop dumping your garbage in here? You seem to post here with a 100 different names and most of your messages are exactly the same. I don't have time to set up all sorts of filters. Other than annoying everyone do you have a reason for doin what you are doing? I look in here a couple of times a week for interesting fishing or boat-fishing stuff, and what I find are hundreds of meaningless posts from you full of cuss words and insults. Can't you stop this bad behavior? |
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: Why don't you tell us, you live in a society that is closer to communism? 1930's Germany was closer to communism than America under Bush! I knew that a good communist, like you Don, would know a lot about it. What's a communist, Bertie-girl? From: http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...nist&x=27&y=15 Main Entry: com·mu·nist Pronunciation: 'käm-y&-nist Function: noun 1 : an adherent or advocate of communism 2 capitalized : COMMUNARD 3 a capitalized : a member of a Communist party or movement b often capitalized : an adherent or advocate of a Communist government, party, or movement 4 often capitalized : one held to engage in left-wing, subversive, or revolutionary activities - communist adjective, often capitalized - com·mu·nis·tic /"käm-y&-'nis-tik/ adjective, often capitalized - com·mu·nis·ti·cal·ly /-ti-k(&-)lE/ I'll use #4. If you would use #4, then you would be an idiot, something which needed to confirmation around here. |
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... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... Perhaps. But only if the ACLU continues to dismantle the President's authority to detain illegal combatants in this war on terror. You mean, the government's new hobby, detaining people like these? And, don't hand us any bull**** about the source, as you usually do. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Apr20.html Muslims Detained at Border Sue U.S. Homeland Security By Michelle Garcia Special to The Washington Post Thursday, April 21, 2005; Page A08 NEW YORK, April 20 -- American Muslims detained at the border as they returned from a religious conference in Toronto sued the Department of Homeland Security on Wednesday alleging they were targets of ethnic and religious profiling. The five Muslims, all U.S. citizens, say customs officials detained dozens of others from their conference in December, subjecting them to interrogations, fingerprinting and photographing. I have no problem with the "source" of this story...nor with actions of the Dept. of Homeland Security. Those 5 folks who were detained are certainly more apt to commit terrorist attacks than an 80 year old grandmother. It's about time they started racial profiling...especially for people who travel to "conferences" that have suspected ties to terrorism. Besides...questioning, fingerprinting, and photographing hardly qualify as "detainment". So what's the big deal? But professor, you objected to the exact same type of policies when practiced by the USSR. Sorry. Can't have it both ways. No I didn't. I'm all for a National Photo ID card and fingerprint and/or retinal scans at the airport and border crossings. Nope. You're lying. When you were younger, you went along with the anti-communist party line, agreed with Reagan 100% about his "evil empire" views. The totalitarian tactics were the bane of your existence. You only claim to approve of them now because the only way you can tread water in a debate is to bait your opponents. WTF are you talking about? I'll simplify this. You say you believe in things like ID cards, etc., and that you were OK with similar obscenities when practiced in the USSR and its Eastern European satellite countries. You're lying to yourself when you make that statement. Why? Because you haven't thoroughly thought out all the ramifications of these practices, many of which are the reason so many fled from those countries. You will now say that people left those countries because they wanted to live in a free enterprise system, but that's hardly the whole story and you know it. So, think about this: You're anchored somewhere quiet on your boat, just you and the girlfriend, or maybe even your wife. You're about to administer a beef injection down in the cabin when a boat pulls up and announces on its loudspeaker "Come out of the cabin with your ID cards. You have 30 seconds." You can't get dressed quick enough, so you are boarded, and both of you are dragged, half naked, out of the cabin. The cabin is tossed by the "authorities" you say you believe in. Meanwhile, your ID card is in your pocket, but they toss the entire cabin anyway. They search your girlfriend's purse and find she's carrying a handgun. They see her permit. In Florida, you are not required to notify an officer that you're carrying, but these guys are Feds, so because they think their **** don't stink, they believe the law applies only to state or local cops. They tell your girlfriend that because she forgot to inform them of the gun, they're confiscating it, and her too. "The president's gonna be down this way for a fund raiser next week. What did you have in mind with the gun, lady?" This is potentially what you are agreeing with. And if you think there aren't enough antisocial types who'd gladly sign up, put on a uniform, and do things like this to innocent citizens under the guise of "national security", think again. You've already seen it done. |
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... Perhaps. But only if the ACLU continues to dismantle the President's authority to detain illegal combatants in this war on terror. You mean, the government's new hobby, detaining people like these? And, don't hand us any bull**** about the source, as you usually do. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Apr20.html Muslims Detained at Border Sue U.S. Homeland Security By Michelle Garcia Special to The Washington Post Thursday, April 21, 2005; Page A08 NEW YORK, April 20 -- American Muslims detained at the border as they returned from a religious conference in Toronto sued the Department of Homeland Security on Wednesday alleging they were targets of ethnic and religious profiling. The five Muslims, all U.S. citizens, say customs officials detained dozens of others from their conference in December, subjecting them to interrogations, fingerprinting and photographing. I have no problem with the "source" of this story...nor with actions of the Dept. of Homeland Security. Those 5 folks who were detained are certainly more apt to commit terrorist attacks than an 80 year old grandmother. It's about time they started racial profiling...especially for people who travel to "conferences" that have suspected ties to terrorism. Besides...questioning, fingerprinting, and photographing hardly qualify as "detainment". So what's the big deal? But professor, you objected to the exact same type of policies when practiced by the USSR. Sorry. Can't have it both ways. No I didn't. I'm all for a National Photo ID card and fingerprint and/or retinal scans at the airport and border crossings. Nope. You're lying. When you were younger, you went along with the anti-communist party line, agreed with Reagan 100% about his "evil empire" views. The totalitarian tactics were the bane of your existence. You only claim to approve of them now because the only way you can tread water in a debate is to bait your opponents. WTF are you talking about? I'll simplify this. You say you believe in things like ID cards, etc., and that you were OK with similar obscenities when practiced in the USSR and its Eastern European satellite countries. You're lying to yourself when you make that statement. Why? Because you haven't thoroughly thought out all the ramifications of these practices, many of which are the reason so many fled from those countries. You will now say that people left those countries because they wanted to live in a free enterprise system, but that's hardly the whole story and you know it. So, think about this: You're anchored somewhere quiet on your boat, just you and the girlfriend, or maybe even your wife. You're about to administer a beef injection down in the cabin when a boat pulls up and announces on its loudspeaker "Come out of the cabin with your ID cards. You have 30 seconds." You can't get dressed quick enough, so you are boarded, and both of you are dragged, half naked, out of the cabin. The cabin is tossed by the "authorities" you say you believe in. Meanwhile, your ID card is in your pocket, but they toss the entire cabin anyway. They search your girlfriend's purse and find she's carrying a handgun. They see her permit. In Florida, you are not required to notify an officer that you're carrying, but these guys are Feds, so because they think their **** don't stink, they believe the law applies only to state or local cops. They tell your girlfriend that because she forgot to inform them of the gun, they're confiscating it, and her too. "The president's gonna be down this way for a fund raiser next week. What did you have in mind with the gun, lady?" This is potentially what you are agreeing with. And if you think there aren't enough antisocial types who'd gladly sign up, put on a uniform, and do things like this to innocent citizens under the guise of "national security", think again. You've already seen it done. The Feds have had this power on the waterways for some time now. It has nothing to do with ID cards. |
"Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message rthlink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message . earthlink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message l.earthlink.net... Perhaps. But only if the ACLU continues to dismantle the President's authority to detain illegal combatants in this war on terror. You mean, the government's new hobby, detaining people like these? And, don't hand us any bull**** about the source, as you usually do. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Apr20.html Muslims Detained at Border Sue U.S. Homeland Security By Michelle Garcia Special to The Washington Post Thursday, April 21, 2005; Page A08 NEW YORK, April 20 -- American Muslims detained at the border as they returned from a religious conference in Toronto sued the Department of Homeland Security on Wednesday alleging they were targets of ethnic and religious profiling. The five Muslims, all U.S. citizens, say customs officials detained dozens of others from their conference in December, subjecting them to interrogations, fingerprinting and photographing. I have no problem with the "source" of this story...nor with actions of the Dept. of Homeland Security. Those 5 folks who were detained are certainly more apt to commit terrorist attacks than an 80 year old grandmother. It's about time they started racial profiling...especially for people who travel to "conferences" that have suspected ties to terrorism. Besides...questioning, fingerprinting, and photographing hardly qualify as "detainment". So what's the big deal? But professor, you objected to the exact same type of policies when practiced by the USSR. Sorry. Can't have it both ways. No I didn't. I'm all for a National Photo ID card and fingerprint and/or retinal scans at the airport and border crossings. Nope. You're lying. When you were younger, you went along with the anti-communist party line, agreed with Reagan 100% about his "evil empire" views. The totalitarian tactics were the bane of your existence. You only claim to approve of them now because the only way you can tread water in a debate is to bait your opponents. WTF are you talking about? I'll simplify this. You say you believe in things like ID cards, etc., and that you were OK with similar obscenities when practiced in the USSR and its Eastern European satellite countries. You're lying to yourself when you make that statement. Why? Because you haven't thoroughly thought out all the ramifications of these practices, many of which are the reason so many fled from those countries. You will now say that people left those countries because they wanted to live in a free enterprise system, but that's hardly the whole story and you know it. So, think about this: You're anchored somewhere quiet on your boat, just you and the girlfriend, or maybe even your wife. You're about to administer a beef injection down in the cabin when a boat pulls up and announces on its loudspeaker "Come out of the cabin with your ID cards. You have 30 seconds." You can't get dressed quick enough, so you are boarded, and both of you are dragged, half naked, out of the cabin. The cabin is tossed by the "authorities" you say you believe in. Meanwhile, your ID card is in your pocket, but they toss the entire cabin anyway. They search your girlfriend's purse and find she's carrying a handgun. They see her permit. In Florida, you are not required to notify an officer that you're carrying, but these guys are Feds, so because they think their **** don't stink, they believe the law applies only to state or local cops. They tell your girlfriend that because she forgot to inform them of the gun, they're confiscating it, and her too. "The president's gonna be down this way for a fund raiser next week. What did you have in mind with the gun, lady?" This is potentially what you are agreeing with. And if you think there aren't enough antisocial types who'd gladly sign up, put on a uniform, and do things like this to innocent citizens under the guise of "national security", think again. You've already seen it done. It's far worse than your scenario, Doug. If there is a federal ID card, and you are required to show it for various reasons, there also will be various nefarious reasons why the authorities will take the card from you, and you'll be unable to travel or to do any of the other things that require the card. The legislation can be written to avoid such a thing from happening. It's an *IDENTIFICATION* card, for crying out loud. It makes processing the bad guys a whole lot easier. |
"Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message . earthlink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message l.earthlink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message . atl.earthlink.net... Perhaps. But only if the ACLU continues to dismantle the President's authority to detain illegal combatants in this war on terror. You mean, the government's new hobby, detaining people like these? And, don't hand us any bull**** about the source, as you usually do. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Apr20.html Muslims Detained at Border Sue U.S. Homeland Security By Michelle Garcia Special to The Washington Post Thursday, April 21, 2005; Page A08 NEW YORK, April 20 -- American Muslims detained at the border as they returned from a religious conference in Toronto sued the Department of Homeland Security on Wednesday alleging they were targets of ethnic and religious profiling. The five Muslims, all U.S. citizens, say customs officials detained dozens of others from their conference in December, subjecting them to interrogations, fingerprinting and photographing. I have no problem with the "source" of this story...nor with actions of the Dept. of Homeland Security. Those 5 folks who were detained are certainly more apt to commit terrorist attacks than an 80 year old grandmother. It's about time they started racial profiling...especially for people who travel to "conferences" that have suspected ties to terrorism. Besides...questioning, fingerprinting, and photographing hardly qualify as "detainment". So what's the big deal? But professor, you objected to the exact same type of policies when practiced by the USSR. Sorry. Can't have it both ways. No I didn't. I'm all for a National Photo ID card and fingerprint and/or retinal scans at the airport and border crossings. Nope. You're lying. When you were younger, you went along with the anti-communist party line, agreed with Reagan 100% about his "evil empire" views. The totalitarian tactics were the bane of your existence. You only claim to approve of them now because the only way you can tread water in a debate is to bait your opponents. WTF are you talking about? I'll simplify this. You say you believe in things like ID cards, etc., and that you were OK with similar obscenities when practiced in the USSR and its Eastern European satellite countries. You're lying to yourself when you make that statement. Why? Because you haven't thoroughly thought out all the ramifications of these practices, many of which are the reason so many fled from those countries. You will now say that people left those countries because they wanted to live in a free enterprise system, but that's hardly the whole story and you know it. So, think about this: You're anchored somewhere quiet on your boat, just you and the girlfriend, or maybe even your wife. You're about to administer a beef injection down in the cabin when a boat pulls up and announces on its loudspeaker "Come out of the cabin with your ID cards. You have 30 seconds." You can't get dressed quick enough, so you are boarded, and both of you are dragged, half naked, out of the cabin. The cabin is tossed by the "authorities" you say you believe in. Meanwhile, your ID card is in your pocket, but they toss the entire cabin anyway. They search your girlfriend's purse and find she's carrying a handgun. They see her permit. In Florida, you are not required to notify an officer that you're carrying, but these guys are Feds, so because they think their **** don't stink, they believe the law applies only to state or local cops. They tell your girlfriend that because she forgot to inform them of the gun, they're confiscating it, and her too. "The president's gonna be down this way for a fund raiser next week. What did you have in mind with the gun, lady?" This is potentially what you are agreeing with. And if you think there aren't enough antisocial types who'd gladly sign up, put on a uniform, and do things like this to innocent citizens under the guise of "national security", think again. You've already seen it done. It's far worse than your scenario, Doug. If there is a federal ID card, and you are required to show it for various reasons, there also will be various nefarious reasons why the authorities will take the card from you, and you'll be unable to travel or to do any of the other things that require the card. The legislation can be written to avoid such a thing from happening. It's an *IDENTIFICATION* card, for crying out loud. It makes processing the bad guys a whole lot easier. Sorry, but I wouldn't trust the thugs in the Bush administration to squeegee my windshield, much less issue national ID cards. I can see your point. If such a measure went through the House and Senate in 1993 or 1994, when the Dems controlled the White House and Congress, I'd have been very afraid too. |
"NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message This is potentially what you are agreeing with. And if you think there aren't enough antisocial types who'd gladly sign up, put on a uniform, and do things like this to innocent citizens under the guise of "national security", think again. You've already seen it done. The Feds have had this power on the waterways for some time now. It has nothing to do with ID cards. Forget it, NYOB. You're arguing with small-minded, liberal chicken-littles, and their sky is falling. Jack |
"Jack Goff" wrote in message . .. "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message This is potentially what you are agreeing with. And if you think there aren't enough antisocial types who'd gladly sign up, put on a uniform, and do things like this to innocent citizens under the guise of "national security", think again. You've already seen it done. The Feds have had this power on the waterways for some time now. It has nothing to do with ID cards. Forget it, NYOB. You're arguing with small-minded, liberal chicken-littles, and their sky is falling. It must be a very high sky. It's been falling for over 4 years now...and still hasn't crashed down on anybody's head. |
"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message arthlink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message .earthlink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message tl.earthlink.net... Perhaps. But only if the ACLU continues to dismantle the President's authority to detain illegal combatants in this war on terror. You mean, the government's new hobby, detaining people like these? And, don't hand us any bull**** about the source, as you usually do. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Apr20.html Muslims Detained at Border Sue U.S. Homeland Security By Michelle Garcia Special to The Washington Post Thursday, April 21, 2005; Page A08 NEW YORK, April 20 -- American Muslims detained at the border as they returned from a religious conference in Toronto sued the Department of Homeland Security on Wednesday alleging they were targets of ethnic and religious profiling. The five Muslims, all U.S. citizens, say customs officials detained dozens of others from their conference in December, subjecting them to interrogations, fingerprinting and photographing. I have no problem with the "source" of this story...nor with actions of the Dept. of Homeland Security. Those 5 folks who were detained are certainly more apt to commit terrorist attacks than an 80 year old grandmother. It's about time they started racial profiling...especially for people who travel to "conferences" that have suspected ties to terrorism. Besides...questioning, fingerprinting, and photographing hardly qualify as "detainment". So what's the big deal? But professor, you objected to the exact same type of policies when practiced by the USSR. Sorry. Can't have it both ways. No I didn't. I'm all for a National Photo ID card and fingerprint and/or retinal scans at the airport and border crossings. Nope. You're lying. When you were younger, you went along with the anti-communist party line, agreed with Reagan 100% about his "evil empire" views. The totalitarian tactics were the bane of your existence. You only claim to approve of them now because the only way you can tread water in a debate is to bait your opponents. WTF are you talking about? I'll simplify this. You say you believe in things like ID cards, etc., and that you were OK with similar obscenities when practiced in the USSR and its Eastern European satellite countries. You're lying to yourself when you make that statement. Why? Because you haven't thoroughly thought out all the ramifications of these practices, many of which are the reason so many fled from those countries. You will now say that people left those countries because they wanted to live in a free enterprise system, but that's hardly the whole story and you know it. So, think about this: You're anchored somewhere quiet on your boat, just you and the girlfriend, or maybe even your wife. You're about to administer a beef injection down in the cabin when a boat pulls up and announces on its loudspeaker "Come out of the cabin with your ID cards. You have 30 seconds." You can't get dressed quick enough, so you are boarded, and both of you are dragged, half naked, out of the cabin. The cabin is tossed by the "authorities" you say you believe in. Meanwhile, your ID card is in your pocket, but they toss the entire cabin anyway. They search your girlfriend's purse and find she's carrying a handgun. They see her permit. In Florida, you are not required to notify an officer that you're carrying, but these guys are Feds, so because they think their **** don't stink, they believe the law applies only to state or local cops. They tell your girlfriend that because she forgot to inform them of the gun, they're confiscating it, and her too. "The president's gonna be down this way for a fund raiser next week. What did you have in mind with the gun, lady?" This is potentially what you are agreeing with. And if you think there aren't enough antisocial types who'd gladly sign up, put on a uniform, and do things like this to innocent citizens under the guise of "national security", think again. You've already seen it done. It's far worse than your scenario, Doug. If there is a federal ID card, and you are required to show it for various reasons, there also will be various nefarious reasons why the authorities will take the card from you, and you'll be unable to travel or to do any of the other things that require the card. The legislation can be written to avoid such a thing from happening. It's an *IDENTIFICATION* card, for crying out loud. It makes processing the bad guys a whole lot easier. The law indirectly suggests that cops not butt **** a suspect with a broomstick, or shoot a suspect 47 times before figuring out he's unarmed. And yet, both of these things have happened in recent years. So much for legislation. |
NOYB,
Exactly, we need to abolish Drivers License and passports. Since Bush instituted them the country has gone down the tubes. Drivers Licenses and passports reek of Nazi suppression. "NOYB" wrote in message ... "Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message . earthlink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message l.earthlink.net... Perhaps. But only if the ACLU continues to dismantle the President's authority to detain illegal combatants in this war on terror. You mean, the government's new hobby, detaining people like these? And, don't hand us any bull**** about the source, as you usually do. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Apr20.html Muslims Detained at Border Sue U.S. Homeland Security By Michelle Garcia Special to The Washington Post Thursday, April 21, 2005; Page A08 NEW YORK, April 20 -- American Muslims detained at the border as they returned from a religious conference in Toronto sued the Department of Homeland Security on Wednesday alleging they were targets of ethnic and religious profiling. The five Muslims, all U.S. citizens, say customs officials detained dozens of others from their conference in December, subjecting them to interrogations, fingerprinting and photographing. I have no problem with the "source" of this story...nor with actions of the Dept. of Homeland Security. Those 5 folks who were detained are certainly more apt to commit terrorist attacks than an 80 year old grandmother. It's about time they started racial profiling...especially for people who travel to "conferences" that have suspected ties to terrorism. Besides...questioning, fingerprinting, and photographing hardly qualify as "detainment". So what's the big deal? But professor, you objected to the exact same type of policies when practiced by the USSR. Sorry. Can't have it both ways. No I didn't. I'm all for a National Photo ID card and fingerprint and/or retinal scans at the airport and border crossings. All good little fascists and communists want national photo IDs. Only us fascists with nothing to hide. What's the difference, really? We already have passports and state-issued drivers licenses. Never read much WW II/Soviet State history, eh? I meant... What's the difference between a national photo idea and a passport or state-issued drivers license? Or even a social security card? |
Harry,
Can we expect a fishing report from your 36' Lobster Boat or are you only using your canoe this year? "harry.krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: As opposed to Bert, who joined the Marine Corps to fight communism, but knew nothing about it. Interestingly, both Bert and our latest anonymous remailer poster curse about the same. Anyone else notice? You are too funny. Are you going to go fishing in river that your 36' lobsta boat can't navigate this weekend? When stripper trophy season is in full swing you are fishing for Blue Gill in a fresh water river hundreds of miles from the bay? My wife doesn't let me fish for strippers, Bertie. And the bluegill aren't running in the Shenandoah yet. They're a warm-water, July-August kind of fish. And they taste better than stripers. Striped bass are not among my favorite fish, Bertie. They never have been. Trolling for them ain't much fun. Dragging huge artificial baits or umbrella rigs in order to snag a fish that isn't known as much of a fighter ain't much fun. Being out in the middle of 50-100 other boats trolling and trying to snag the same fish ain't much fun. When I fish in the Bay, I look for flounder, trout, blues, et cetera, and leave the stripers for the inept fishermen, like your buddy John Herring. Why is this of concern to you, Bertie? You don't boat, you don't fish. You just pop in here to take your shots at others and to practice your cursing skills, right? -- Bush and the NeoConvicts who control him are destroying the once-great United States. |
Reminder -
There have only been two terrorist attacks on US soil, 1993 and 2001. That is EIGHT years apart, if the terrorist maintain that schedule we are not due for another attack until 2009. "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... April 30, 2005, 11:31PM Terrorist threats on U.S. at lowest level since 9/11 Officials think focus has turned to troops in Iraq Washington Post WASHINGTON - Reports of credible terrorist threats against the United States are at their lowest level since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, according to U.S. intelligence officials and federal and state law enforcement authorities. The intelligence community's daily threat assessment, developed after the terrorist attacks to keep policymakers informed, lists, on average, 25 to 50 percent fewer threats against domestic targets than it typically did during the past two years, said one senior counterterrorism official. Many counterterrorism officials think al-Qaida and like-minded groups are focusing on Americans deployed in Iraq, where they operate with relative impunity, and on Europe. Though some are expressing caution and even skepticism, interviews last week with 25 current or recently retired officials also cited progress in counterterrorism operations abroad and a more experienced homeland-security apparatus for a general feeling that it is more difficult for terrorists to operate undetected. The officials represent federal intelligence and law enforcement agencies, state and local homeland-security departments and the private sector. "We are breathing easier," said U.S. Capitol Police Chief Terrance Gainer, whose officers guard one of al-Qaida's expressed targets and who is regularly briefed by the FBI and CIA. "The imminence of a threat seems to have diminished. We're just not as worried as we were a year ago, but we certainly are as vigilant." "I agree," said John Brennan, acting director of the National Counterterrorism Center, told of Gainer's assessment. "Progress has been made." Brennan also said the initial post-Sept. 11 belief that there were large numbers of sleeper cells in the United States turned out to be "a lot of hyperbole." Some thought "there was a terrorist under every rock." But some intelligence analysts caution that the drop-off in terrorist-related planning, communication and movement could be a tactical pause. Brennan and others fear most what they are not hearing or seeing, especially the possibility that al-Qaida has acquired chemical or biological weapons and adapted in ways that have evaded detection. Analysts also say a flood of new terrorists motivated by the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq may try to travel here and reverse the relative calm of today's environment. |
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message . earthlink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message l.earthlink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message . atl.earthlink.net... Perhaps. But only if the ACLU continues to dismantle the President's authority to detain illegal combatants in this war on terror. You mean, the government's new hobby, detaining people like these? And, don't hand us any bull**** about the source, as you usually do. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Apr20.html Muslims Detained at Border Sue U.S. Homeland Security By Michelle Garcia Special to The Washington Post Thursday, April 21, 2005; Page A08 NEW YORK, April 20 -- American Muslims detained at the border as they returned from a religious conference in Toronto sued the Department of Homeland Security on Wednesday alleging they were targets of ethnic and religious profiling. The five Muslims, all U.S. citizens, say customs officials detained dozens of others from their conference in December, subjecting them to interrogations, fingerprinting and photographing. I have no problem with the "source" of this story...nor with actions of the Dept. of Homeland Security. Those 5 folks who were detained are certainly more apt to commit terrorist attacks than an 80 year old grandmother. It's about time they started racial profiling...especially for people who travel to "conferences" that have suspected ties to terrorism. Besides...questioning, fingerprinting, and photographing hardly qualify as "detainment". So what's the big deal? But professor, you objected to the exact same type of policies when practiced by the USSR. Sorry. Can't have it both ways. No I didn't. I'm all for a National Photo ID card and fingerprint and/or retinal scans at the airport and border crossings. Nope. You're lying. When you were younger, you went along with the anti-communist party line, agreed with Reagan 100% about his "evil empire" views. The totalitarian tactics were the bane of your existence. You only claim to approve of them now because the only way you can tread water in a debate is to bait your opponents. WTF are you talking about? I'll simplify this. You say you believe in things like ID cards, etc., and that you were OK with similar obscenities when practiced in the USSR and its Eastern European satellite countries. You're lying to yourself when you make that statement. Why? Because you haven't thoroughly thought out all the ramifications of these practices, many of which are the reason so many fled from those countries. You will now say that people left those countries because they wanted to live in a free enterprise system, but that's hardly the whole story and you know it. So, think about this: You're anchored somewhere quiet on your boat, just you and the girlfriend, or maybe even your wife. You're about to administer a beef injection down in the cabin when a boat pulls up and announces on its loudspeaker "Come out of the cabin with your ID cards. You have 30 seconds." You can't get dressed quick enough, so you are boarded, and both of you are dragged, half naked, out of the cabin. The cabin is tossed by the "authorities" you say you believe in. Meanwhile, your ID card is in your pocket, but they toss the entire cabin anyway. They search your girlfriend's purse and find she's carrying a handgun. They see her permit. In Florida, you are not required to notify an officer that you're carrying, but these guys are Feds, so because they think their **** don't stink, they believe the law applies only to state or local cops. They tell your girlfriend that because she forgot to inform them of the gun, they're confiscating it, and her too. "The president's gonna be down this way for a fund raiser next week. What did you have in mind with the gun, lady?" This is potentially what you are agreeing with. And if you think there aren't enough antisocial types who'd gladly sign up, put on a uniform, and do things like this to innocent citizens under the guise of "national security", think again. You've already seen it done. It's far worse than your scenario, Doug. If there is a federal ID card, and you are required to show it for various reasons, there also will be various nefarious reasons why the authorities will take the card from you, and you'll be unable to travel or to do any of the other things that require the card. The legislation can be written to avoid such a thing from happening. It's an *IDENTIFICATION* card, for crying out loud. It makes processing the bad guys a whole lot easier. The law indirectly suggests that cops not butt **** a suspect with a broomstick, or shoot a suspect 47 times before figuring out he's unarmed. And yet, both of these things have happened in recent years. So much for legislation. And those who abused their power were held accountable and punished under the existing laws. |
Harry,
Let's just kill all the conservatives and let God sort them out. "Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... Gorf wrote: Reminder - There have only been two terrorist attacks on US soil, 1993 and 2001. That is EIGHT years apart, if the terrorist maintain that schedule we are not due for another attack until 2009. You mean, of course, only two perpetrated by foreign born terrorists. We did have the Oklahoma City bombing, the Atlanta bombing, and the abortion clinic bombings, all terrorist attacks conducted by native-born conservative extremists, as opposed to foreign-born conservative extremists. |
"Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Jack Goff" wrote in message . .. "NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message This is potentially what you are agreeing with. And if you think there aren't enough antisocial types who'd gladly sign up, put on a uniform, and do things like this to innocent citizens under the guise of "national security", think again. You've already seen it done. The Feds have had this power on the waterways for some time now. It has nothing to do with ID cards. Forget it, NYOB. You're arguing with small-minded, liberal chicken-littles, and their sky is falling. It must be a very high sky. It's been falling for over 4 years now...and still hasn't crashed down on anybody's head. No? What about the 3000 who died because of Bush's malfeasance? The sky and the building and the plane crashed down on them. The planning for that attack was under way for several years prior to Bush taking office. Bush had the misfortune of having to rely on information gathered by Clinton-appointees. Notice how there hasn't been an attack since Bush went on the offensive with *his* people in the important positions? |
On Wed, 04 May 2005 11:19:43 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: So, think about this: You're anchored somewhere quiet on your boat, just you and the girlfriend, or maybe even your wife. You're about to administer a beef injection down in the cabin when a boat pulls up and announces on its loudspeaker "Come out of the cabin with your ID cards. You have 30 seconds." You can't get dressed quick enough, so you are boarded, and both of you are dragged, half naked, out of the cabin. The cabin is tossed by the "authorities" you say you believe in. Meanwhile, your ID card is in your pocket, but they toss the entire cabin anyway. They search your girlfriend's purse and find she's carrying a handgun. They see her permit. In Florida, you are not required to notify an officer that you're carrying, but these guys are Feds, so because they think their **** don't stink, they believe the law applies only to state or local cops. They tell your girlfriend that because she forgot to inform them of the gun, they're confiscating it, and her too. "The president's gonna be down this way for a fund raiser next week. What did you have in mind with the gun, lady?" This is potentially what you are agreeing with. And if you think there aren't enough antisocial types who'd gladly sign up, put on a uniform, and do things like this to innocent citizens under the guise of "national security", think again. You've already seen it done. What tripe! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message ... NOYB, Exactly, we need to abolish Drivers License and passports. Since Bush instituted them the country has gone down the tubes. Drivers Licenses and passports reek of Nazi suppression. That's why they call you Dr. Dr. "NOYB" wrote in message ... "Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message .earthlink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message tl.earthlink.net... Perhaps. But only if the ACLU continues to dismantle the President's authority to detain illegal combatants in this war on terror. You mean, the government's new hobby, detaining people like these? And, don't hand us any bull**** about the source, as you usually do. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Apr20.html Muslims Detained at Border Sue U.S. Homeland Security By Michelle Garcia Special to The Washington Post Thursday, April 21, 2005; Page A08 NEW YORK, April 20 -- American Muslims detained at the border as they returned from a religious conference in Toronto sued the Department of Homeland Security on Wednesday alleging they were targets of ethnic and religious profiling. The five Muslims, all U.S. citizens, say customs officials detained dozens of others from their conference in December, subjecting them to interrogations, fingerprinting and photographing. I have no problem with the "source" of this story...nor with actions of the Dept. of Homeland Security. Those 5 folks who were detained are certainly more apt to commit terrorist attacks than an 80 year old grandmother. It's about time they started racial profiling...especially for people who travel to "conferences" that have suspected ties to terrorism. Besides...questioning, fingerprinting, and photographing hardly qualify as "detainment". So what's the big deal? But professor, you objected to the exact same type of policies when practiced by the USSR. Sorry. Can't have it both ways. No I didn't. I'm all for a National Photo ID card and fingerprint and/or retinal scans at the airport and border crossings. All good little fascists and communists want national photo IDs. Only us fascists with nothing to hide. What's the difference, really? We already have passports and state-issued drivers licenses. Never read much WW II/Soviet State history, eh? I meant... What's the difference between a national photo idea and a passport or state-issued drivers license? Or even a social security card? |
"Gorf" wrote in message ... Reminder - There have only been two terrorist attacks on US soil, 1993 and 2001. That is EIGHT years apart, if the terrorist maintain that schedule we are not due for another attack until 2009. 1995 Oklahoma City Bombing http://www.jaynadavis.com/story.html 1996 TWA 800 http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=25008 |
"Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... Gorf wrote: Reminder - There have only been two terrorist attacks on US soil, 1993 and 2001. That is EIGHT years apart, if the terrorist maintain that schedule we are not due for another attack until 2009. You mean, of course, only two perpetrated by foreign born terrorists. We did have the Oklahoma City bombing ....which was perpetrated by traitors working with al Qaeda cells in the Philippines. And you forgot to mention the terrorist downing of TWA 800. |
On Wed, 4 May 2005 11:15:12 -0400, "Dr. Dr. K. Grear"
Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote: Harry, Let's just kill all the conservatives and let God sort them out. You assume god gives a ****. More than likely he'd just bull doze them into a pit and call it a day. bb |
"Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Jack Goff" wrote in message . com... "NOYB" wrote in message rthlink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message This is potentially what you are agreeing with. And if you think there aren't enough antisocial types who'd gladly sign up, put on a uniform, and do things like this to innocent citizens under the guise of "national security", think again. You've already seen it done. The Feds have had this power on the waterways for some time now. It has nothing to do with ID cards. Forget it, NYOB. You're arguing with small-minded, liberal chicken-littles, and their sky is falling. It must be a very high sky. It's been falling for over 4 years now...and still hasn't crashed down on anybody's head. No? What about the 3000 who died because of Bush's malfeasance? The sky and the building and the plane crashed down on them. The planning for that attack was under way for several years prior to Bush taking office. Bush had the misfortune of having to rely on information gathered by Clinton-appointees. Notice how there hasn't been an attack since Bush went on the offensive with *his* people in the important positions? You are STILL trying to pin 9-11 on Clinton? Bush was at the helm on 9-11, and had been at the helm for eight months. He had warnings he decided to ignore. He spent the summer diddling on his ranch. I blame Bush for being asleep on watch on 9-11. History will, too. Not a chance...no matter how many documents Sandy Berger sticks in his socks to conceal the Clinton administration bungling attempts at fighting terrorism. Your oft-repeated comment about "no attacks" is nonsense. The terrorists will attack on their schedule, not ours. |
"Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... Gorf wrote: Reminder - There have only been two terrorist attacks on US soil, 1993 and 2001. That is EIGHT years apart, if the terrorist maintain that schedule we are not due for another attack until 2009. You mean, of course, only two perpetrated by foreign born terrorists. We did have the Oklahoma City bombing ...which was perpetrated by traitors working with al Qaeda cells in the Philippines. And you forgot to mention the terrorist downing of TWA 800. I must admit that part of your limited charm is this ability to on occasion come up with really, truly bizarre ideas. I wish I could take credit for the ideas. But the truth is that I'm paraphrasing a former CIA Director. They're his "ideas"...not mine. |
Yes, that is because I am so smart, I amaze myself with my superior
intellect. ; ) "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message ... NOYB, Exactly, we need to abolish Drivers License and passports. Since Bush instituted them the country has gone down the tubes. Drivers Licenses and passports reek of Nazi suppression. That's why they call you Dr. Dr. "NOYB" wrote in message ... "Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message l.earthlink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message . atl.earthlink.net... Perhaps. But only if the ACLU continues to dismantle the President's authority to detain illegal combatants in this war on terror. You mean, the government's new hobby, detaining people like these? And, don't hand us any bull**** about the source, as you usually do. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Apr20.html Muslims Detained at Border Sue U.S. Homeland Security By Michelle Garcia Special to The Washington Post Thursday, April 21, 2005; Page A08 NEW YORK, April 20 -- American Muslims detained at the border as they returned from a religious conference in Toronto sued the Department of Homeland Security on Wednesday alleging they were targets of ethnic and religious profiling. The five Muslims, all U.S. citizens, say customs officials detained dozens of others from their conference in December, subjecting them to interrogations, fingerprinting and photographing. I have no problem with the "source" of this story...nor with actions of the Dept. of Homeland Security. Those 5 folks who were detained are certainly more apt to commit terrorist attacks than an 80 year old grandmother. It's about time they started racial profiling...especially for people who travel to "conferences" that have suspected ties to terrorism. Besides...questioning, fingerprinting, and photographing hardly qualify as "detainment". So what's the big deal? But professor, you objected to the exact same type of policies when practiced by the USSR. Sorry. Can't have it both ways. No I didn't. I'm all for a National Photo ID card and fingerprint and/or retinal scans at the airport and border crossings. All good little fascists and communists want national photo IDs. Only us fascists with nothing to hide. What's the difference, really? We already have passports and state-issued drivers licenses. Never read much WW II/Soviet State history, eh? I meant... What's the difference between a national photo idea and a passport or state-issued drivers license? Or even a social security card? |
Harry,
If it is so easy to filter my messages, why do you respond to each and every one? "harry.krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message ... NOYB, Exactly, we need to abolish Drivers License and passports. Since Bush instituted them the country has gone down the tubes. Drivers Licenses and passports reek of Nazi suppression. That's why they call you Dr. Dr. If you don't see a difference between a national ID card you have to produce internally in the United States and a drivers license or passport, then you deserve to live in a fascist state. By the way, I hope you are wearing protection. You actually "opened" a "Smitherscum" message. Better put your fingers in the sterile solution before you pout them into some poor patient's mouth. Gloves aren't enough. It's soooo easy to filter Smitherscum. |
bb,
That would make it easier. ; ) "bb" wrote in message ... On Wed, 4 May 2005 11:15:12 -0400, "Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote: Harry, Let's just kill all the conservatives and let God sort them out. You assume god gives a ****. More than likely he'd just bull doze them into a pit and call it a day. bb |
On Wed, 04 May 2005 16:16:58 +0000, NOYB wrote:
And you forgot to mention the terrorist downing of TWA 800. Conspiracy theorists around here say it was a US Navy missile that downed Flight 800. You are not calling the US Navy terrorists, are you? http://www.serendipity.li/more/twa800.html Oh and, there are quite a few conspiracy websites that state the Pentagon wasn't hit by an airplane on 9/11. I'm wondering, does the tinfoil help? |
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Wed, 04 May 2005 16:16:58 +0000, NOYB wrote: And you forgot to mention the terrorist downing of TWA 800. Conspiracy theorists around here say it was a US Navy missile that downed Flight 800. You are not calling the US Navy terrorists, are you? http://www.serendipity.li/more/twa800.html Oh and, there are quite a few conspiracy websites that state the Pentagon wasn't hit by an airplane on 9/11. I'm wondering, does the tinfoil help? Temporary sudden right turn: Apropos of nothing, the government allows almost half of commercial planes to continue operating with flammable insulation in the "attic" above the headliner, even though the flight that crashed a few years back off Newfoundland is known to have crashed due to smoke in the cockpit. This is also a conspiracy, of the lobbyist kind. |
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Wed, 04 May 2005 16:16:58 +0000, NOYB wrote: And you forgot to mention the terrorist downing of TWA 800. Conspiracy theorists around here say it was a US Navy missile that downed Flight 800. You are not calling the US Navy terrorists, are you? http://www.serendipity.li/more/twa800.html Oh and, there are quite a few conspiracy websites that state the Pentagon wasn't hit by an airplane on 9/11. I'm wondering, does the tinfoil help? I'm not posting links to "conspiracy theory websites". I'm quoting a former Clinton adviser on the Middle East, and a former CIA director. Nowhere have I read a US government official publically go on record to suggest that a Navy missile downed TWA 800, nor that a plane never hit the Pentagon. |
On Wed, 04 May 2005 19:32:15 +0000, NOYB wrote:
I'm not posting links to "conspiracy theory websites". I'm quoting a former Clinton adviser on the Middle East, and a former CIA director. As to which incident? Oklahoma City or Flight 800? I'll admit that with Oklahoma City there are some unanswered questions, but no where have I read anything that credibly suggested Flight 800 was a terrorist act. Nowhere have I read a US government official publically go on record to suggest that a Navy missile downed TWA 800, nor that a plane never hit the Pentagon. |
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Wed, 04 May 2005 19:32:15 +0000, NOYB wrote: I'm not posting links to "conspiracy theory websites". I'm quoting a former Clinton adviser on the Middle East, and a former CIA director. As to which incident? Oklahoma City or Flight 800? I'll admit that with Oklahoma City there are some unanswered questions, but no where have I read anything that credibly suggested Flight 800 was a terrorist act. http://twa800.com/pages/alhayat.htm They cite articles by Reuters, NY Times, London Times, etc. |
"Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Jack Goff" wrote in message . .. "NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message This is potentially what you are agreeing with. And if you think there aren't enough antisocial types who'd gladly sign up, put on a uniform, and do things like this to innocent citizens under the guise of "national security", think again. You've already seen it done. The Feds have had this power on the waterways for some time now. It has nothing to do with ID cards. Forget it, NYOB. You're arguing with small-minded, liberal chicken-littles, and their sky is falling. It must be a very high sky. It's been falling for over 4 years now...and still hasn't crashed down on anybody's head. No? What about the 3000 who died because of Bush's malfeasance? The sky and the building and the plane crashed down on them. And what about the 3000 that died due to Clinton's malfeasance? |
"Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Jack Goff" wrote in message . com... "NOYB" wrote in message rthlink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message This is potentially what you are agreeing with. And if you think there aren't enough antisocial types who'd gladly sign up, put on a uniform, and do things like this to innocent citizens under the guise of "national security", think again. You've already seen it done. The Feds have had this power on the waterways for some time now. It has nothing to do with ID cards. Forget it, NYOB. You're arguing with small-minded, liberal chicken-littles, and their sky is falling. It must be a very high sky. It's been falling for over 4 years now...and still hasn't crashed down on anybody's head. No? What about the 3000 who died because of Bush's malfeasance? The sky and the building and the plane crashed down on them. The planning for that attack was under way for several years prior to Bush taking office. Bush had the misfortune of having to rely on information gathered by Clinton-appointees. Notice how there hasn't been an attack since Bush went on the offensive with *his* people in the important positions? You are STILL trying to pin 9-11 on Clinton? Bush was at the helm on 9-11, and had been at the helm for eight months. He had warnings he decided to ignore. He spent the summer diddling on his ranch. I blame Bush for being asleep on watch on 9-11. History will, too. Your oft-repeated comment about "no attacks" is nonsense. The terrorists will attack on their schedule, not ours. Let's talk about Hillary's failure to maintain control of her campaign finances. She is at the helm of her ship and it is being riddled with hole known as indictments, guilt pleadings and convictions for fraud and conspiracy. |
On Wed, 4 May 2005 19:29:09 -0400, "Bert Robbins" wrote:
Let's talk about Hillary's failure to maintain control of her campaign finances. She is at the helm of her ship and it is being riddled with hole known as indictments, guilt pleadings and convictions for fraud and conspiracy. Speaking of which: Did Hillary Clinton win her Senate seat through fraud? David Rosen, former National Finance Director of Hillary Clinton's 2000 Senate campaign, is under a four-count federal indictment charging that he "knowingly and willfully caused to be made materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statements" to the Federal Election Commission regarding more than $1 million in campaign contributions. Each of the four felony counts carries a possible penalty of five years in prison and $250,000 in fines. This is the most massive fraud ever charged against a political campaign by the U.S. Government. The criminal charges against Rosen stem from the largest fundraiser on behalf of Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign. The August 12, 2000 Hollywood Gala Salute to President Clinton featured performances by Cher, Diana Ross, Toni Braxton, Patti LaBelle, Melissa Etheridge, Sugar Ray and Michael Bolton. The event cost organizer Peter Paul more than $1.2 million to host, and raised $1 million in "hard money" contributions. By falsely reporting those costs as $401,419, the Clinton campaign avoided paying at least $800,000 in hard money -- not including the fair market value of the performances -- during the crucial final weeks before the election. If Paul's contribution had been reported fully as required by law, it could have bankrupted the campaign. Peter Paul's extensive evidence, which we will organize and present on this site, shows clearly that Hillary Clinton knew of the actions taken by her finance director, and that she orchestrated those actions and others in violation of federal campaign statutes and regulations. Mr. Paul is being represented in his ongoing civil suit against the Clintons by the U.S. Justice Foundation, which has formed the Hillary Clinton Accountability Project to put the facts of the most massive and least reported campaign finance scandal in history before the American people. From: http://hillcap.org/default.php?page_id=2&format=print Looks to be an interesting story. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"John H" wrote in message ... On Wed, 4 May 2005 19:29:09 -0400, "Bert Robbins" wrote: Let's talk about Hillary's failure to maintain control of her campaign finances. She is at the helm of her ship and it is being riddled with hole known as indictments, guilt pleadings and convictions for fraud and conspiracy. Speaking of which: Did Hillary Clinton win her Senate seat through fraud? David Rosen, former National Finance Director of Hillary Clinton's 2000 Senate campaign, is under a four-count federal indictment charging that he "knowingly and willfully caused to be made materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statements" to the Federal Election Commission regarding more than $1 million in campaign contributions. Each of the four felony counts carries a possible penalty of five years in prison and $250,000 in fines. This is the most massive fraud ever charged against a political campaign by the U.S. Government. The criminal charges against Rosen stem from the largest fundraiser on behalf of Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign. The August 12, 2000 Hollywood Gala Salute to President Clinton featured performances by Cher, Diana Ross, Toni Braxton, Patti LaBelle, Melissa Etheridge, Sugar Ray and Michael Bolton. The event cost organizer Peter Paul more than $1.2 million to host, and raised $1 million in "hard money" contributions. By falsely reporting those costs as $401,419, the Clinton campaign avoided paying at least $800,000 in hard money -- not including the fair market value of the performances -- during the crucial final weeks before the election. If Paul's contribution had been reported fully as required by law, it could have bankrupted the campaign. Peter Paul's extensive evidence, which we will organize and present on this site, shows clearly that Hillary Clinton knew of the actions taken by her finance director, and that she orchestrated those actions and others in violation of federal campaign statutes and regulations. Mr. Paul is being represented in his ongoing civil suit against the Clintons by the U.S. Justice Foundation, which has formed the Hillary Clinton Accountability Project to put the facts of the most massive and least reported campaign finance scandal in history before the American people. From: http://hillcap.org/default.php?page_id=2&format=print Looks to be an interesting story. It just proves that everything that Bill or Hillary come into contact with turns to crap and the people they hurt are left to rot on the side of the road. |
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Wed, 04 May 2005 19:32:15 +0000, NOYB wrote: I'm not posting links to "conspiracy theory websites". I'm quoting a former Clinton adviser on the Middle East, and a former CIA director. As to which incident? Oklahoma City or Flight 800? I'll admit that with Oklahoma City there are some unanswered questions, but no where have I read anything that credibly suggested Flight 800 was a terrorist act. Nowhere have I read a US government official publically go on record to suggest that a Navy missile downed TWA 800, nor that a plane never hit the Pentagon. Hidden explosives tie FBI to OKC destruction? Posted: April 6, 2005 1:00 a.m. Eastern On Thursday afternoon, March 31, within hours of the death of Terry Schiavo, the FBI approached an entirely surprised Georgia Rucker in the forgotten little town of Herington, Kan., an hour or so southwest of Topeka. The agents asked Rucker for the keys to a cracker box of a house she was trying to sell on South Second Street. They told her they were searching for possible explosives. Naturally, she obliged. Unconcerned by what they might find, Rucker went and had her hair done while she waited for them to finish. "I didn't think it was possible for there to be anything there," she told a reporter from the Daily Union in nearby Junction City. Rucker was wrong. The FBI soon called in the Topeka bomb squad, evacuated the immediate neighborhood, and cordoned off a three-block area. They worked through the night and into the next day. As Rucker learned, this is the house in which Terry Nichols lived at the time of the Oklahoma City bombing. Although the FBI on the scene would not confirm that its agents found anything, ABC News and others were told by Oklahoma City's FBI office that explosive devices had indeed been found. The news spin, at least what little surfaced in a period of predictable news frenzy, was that the FBI was embarrassed for not having found this old material 10 years prior. As has happened all too often in the past, however, seeming FBI incompetence provides a cover for a much more troubling story. The story, as high-level forensic economist Stephen Dresch relates it, revolves around an extraordinary figure, Gregory Scarpa Jr., a convicted mobster now serving hard time at the federal super max in Florence, Colo. Readers may remember Scarpa from multiple Emmy-winner Peter Lance's book, "Cover-Up." As Lance relates, Scarpa cooperated with the Justice Department in the summer of 1996 by scheming to rout the calls of jailmate Ramzi Yousef through to the FBI. Unfortunately for the United States, Yousef often used two obscure languages that the FBI could not translate quickly enough, if at all. [A letter I received two weeks ago from a purported NSA insider identified the key language as Baluchi, Yousef's native tongue. Again, reportedly, Yousef's final transmission on the subject translated as follows, "What had to be done has been done, TWA 800 (last two words unintelligible)."] What is undeniable is that the day after TWA Flight 800 blew up off the coast of Long Island, Yousef asked for a mistrial, citing the now prejudicial environment post-explosion. He was denied. By allowing him to communicate overseas, however, the Justice Department may well have unwittingly assisted Yousef in his effort to destroy that ill-fated plane. No one doubts that his allies were capable of it. Indeed, Yousef had bombed a plane in the Philippines, killing a passenger and almost blowing the plane out of the air. He also served as the mastermind of the first World Trade Center bombing and was convicted for the same. His uncle, Khalid Shiekh Muhammad, with whom he communicated from his New York jail, was the mastermind of 9-11. Possibly to silence him, the Justice Department cut Scarpa no slack for his help with Yousef and deep-sixed him in Colorado for 40 years, a severe sentence for a non-lethal RICO charge. On March 1, 2005, Scarpa called Dresch, who was consulting with an attorney on a related case. Scarpa informed Dresch that an unnamed inmate had made him aware of a cache of explosives to be used in an act of domestic terrorism, possibly on the 10th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing, April 19. Dresch surmised, correctly as it turned out, that the inmate was Terry Nichols, the convicted Oklahoma City bomber, and he immediately contacted the FBI by both phone and fax, as well as Massachusetts Congressman William Delahunt with whom Dresch had been working on an FBI-related matter. The FBI visited Scarpa at the prison on March 3, two days later. Having been burned once, this time Scarpa insisted on a written cooperation agreement before he talked. The following day, an FBI polygraph expert flew in from D.C. and administered what Dresch's own expert calls an "absurdly flawed examination." The FBI expert claimed that Scarpa was lying. Scarpa immediately called Dresch's associate and insisted that she and Dresch visit him. It should be noted that the FBI's current chief counsel, Valerie Caproni, was the Clinton Justice official who oversaw Scarpa's work with Yousef. To thicken the plot, it was also Caproni who illegally ordered the FBI to take the TWA Flight 800 investigation away from the National Transportation Safety Board and who arranged the prosecution of James and Elizabeth Sanders for James' reporting on the TWA Flight 800 investigation. The absurdly compromised Caproni has any number of reasons for keeping Scarpa out of the light. On March 10, Dresch and his associate met with Scarpa for seven hours. He gave them a letter from Nichols that provided a highly detailed description of the cached bomb making material - nitromethane, blasting caps, kine-pak, etc. Nichols had told Scarpa that he hid this second cache 10 years ago to be used as a follow up to the Oklahoma City blast. Nichols' apparent goal in sharing this information was to bust the man who allegedly supplied the material, a reported FBI informant named Roger Moore. Nichols also wanted to expose the FBI's role in supplying Moore the material, presumably in a sting gone awry. Nichols was certain that Moore's fingerprints would be on the material. No longer trusting the FBI, Dresch worked through a contact, who had high-level Homeland Security connections. Together, they improvised an arrangement for Scarpa, and on March 11, Dresch laid out the offer. Scarpa relented and provided Dresch with the address of the house and detailed descriptions of the location of the cache within it. Dresch went to Herington the following day and found the house to be vacant and for sale. His well-connected contact had not followed through, however, on retrieving the material and giving Scarpa credit where due. Only later did the contact claim that his people were surveilling the site waiting for someone to retrieve the material. It would take nearly three more weeks, the day of Schiavo's death, for the FBI to go in. On Saturday, I called Jeff Lanza, the FBI public affairs officer on the scene, whom I have met on at least a few occasions. I left a message, asking him to confirm whether the Scarpa information led to the activity at Nichols' former home. His office paged him. Two days later he has yet to get back to me. Lanza, however, made a point of telling the Junction City paper, as paraphrased, "that the FBI did not receive a tip leading them to search ... but rather had received the information during an investigation." But either Lanza or Gary Johnson of the FBI's Oklahoma City office is not on message. "Johnson," writes ABC News, "said the discovery was prompted by a recent tip." In any case, when I visited the house on Saturday morning, there were neither media, nor police, anywhere to be seen. The Scarpa story is one that many people don't want told - Valerie Caproni, chief among them. And from the looks of things, they may be succeeding. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That story came out April 6th. Make sure you note the name "Roger Moore"...because his name just made the mainstream news today: http://tinyurl.com/dnqlt |
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