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Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase, Jamie
Lee Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of change to Sen.
Hillary Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign. (N.Y. Post) … Bill
Clinton dined out in Manhattan on Tuesday with Jack Nicholson, Jerry
Bruckheimer and a group of other big-name types. (Page Six)

Those people all have boats or something?

-W

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Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase, Jamie
Lee Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of change to Sen.
Hillary Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign. (N.Y. Post) … Bill
Clinton dined out in Manhattan on Tuesday with Jack Nicholson, Jerry
Bruckheimer and a group of other big-name types. (Page Six)

"Jim," wrote in message
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Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase, Jamie Lee
Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of change to Sen. Hillary
Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign. (N.Y. Post) … Bill Clinton dined
out in Manhattan on Tuesday with Jack Nicholson, Jerry Bruckheimer and a
group of other big-name types. (Page Six)

Didn't bubba screw around with babs? Perhaps Streisand swings both
ways...and is hoping for a little menage.

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Those people all have boats or something?

-W

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Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase, Jamie
Lee Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of change to Sen.
Hillary Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign. (N.Y. Post) … Bill
Clinton dined out in Manhattan on Tuesday with Jack Nicholson, Jerry
Bruckheimer and a group of other big-name types. (Page Six)



Trump has or had a boat worthy of his pimpness.

He's an ass.

With a bad haircut.

Jim,
It is nice to see you staying away from the hardnews. It really was way
over your head


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Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase, Jamie Lee
Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of change to Sen. Hillary
Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign. (N.Y. Post) … Bill Clinton dined
out in Manhattan on Tuesday with Jack Nicholson, Jerry Bruckheimer and a
group of other big-name types. (Page Six)

"Jim," wrote in message
...
Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase, Jamie Lee
Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of change to Sen. Hillary
Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign. (N.Y. Post) … Bill Clinton dined
out in Manhattan on Tuesday with Jack Nicholson, Jerry Bruckheimer and a
group of other big-name types. (Page Six)

Holw many of Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign finance people are under
indictment or have pled guilty to charges?

There is too much stink following Hillary and she will soon be smeared with
it which will result in her never being the party's nominee in 2008.

Bert Robbins wrote:
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Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase, Jamie Lee
Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of change to Sen. Hillary
Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign. (N.Y. Post) … Bill Clinton dined
out in Manhattan on Tuesday with Jack Nicholson, Jerry Bruckheimer and a
group of other big-name types. (Page Six)


Holw many of Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign finance people are under
indictment or have pled guilty to charges?

There is too much stink following Hillary and she will soon be smeared with
it which will result in her never being the party's nominee in 2008.


Well -- *HOW MANY* How about some names and references?

"Jim," wrote in message
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Bert Robbins wrote:
"Jim," wrote in message
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Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase, Jamie Lee
Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of change to Sen.
Hillary Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign. (N.Y. Post) … Bill
Clinton dined out in Manhattan on Tuesday with Jack Nicholson, Jerry
Bruckheimer and a group of other big-name types. (Page Six)


Holw many of Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign finance people are under
indictment or have pled guilty to charges?

There is too much stink following Hillary and she will soon be smeared
with it which will result in her never being the party's nominee in 2008.


Well -- *HOW MANY* How about some names and references?

If you had half a brain you would have already heard about Hillary's
campaign issues.

Bert Robbins wrote:
"Jim," wrote in message
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Bert Robbins wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
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Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase, Jamie Lee
Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of change to Sen.
Hillary Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign. (N.Y. Post) … Bill
Clinton dined out in Manhattan on Tuesday with Jack Nicholson, Jerry
Bruckheimer and a group of other big-name types. (Page Six)


Holw many of Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign finance people are under
indictment or have pled guilty to charges?

There is too much stink following Hillary and she will soon be smeared
with it which will result in her never being the party's nominee in 2008.



Well -- *HOW MANY* How about some names and references?


If you had half a brain you would have already heard about Hillary's
campaign issues.


Now that you've thrown your insult; can you have the charity to
enlighten me, or will you keep repeating rumor an innuendo? Think of it
as a "refresher course" I'd think you would welcome the chance to
repeat facts that make her look bad.

"Jim," wrote in message
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"Jim," wrote in message
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Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase, Jamie Lee
Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of change to Sen.
Hillary Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign. (N.Y. Post) … Bill
Clinton dined out in Manhattan on Tuesday with Jack Nicholson, Jerry
Bruckheimer and a group of other big-name types. (Page Six)


Holw many of Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign finance people are under
indictment or have pled guilty to charges?

There is too much stink following Hillary and she will soon be smeared
with it which will result in her never being the party's nominee in
2008.



Well -- *HOW MANY* How about some names and references?


Currently facing trial:
former finance chairman David Rosen

Should be facing trial:
Abdurahman Alamoudi, an official with the American Muslim Council who once
vowed to eliminate Israel and had previously boasted, "We are the ones who
went to the [Clinton] White House and defended what is called Hamas."

Already convicted:
Marc Rich (pardoned by Bill)
Pincus Green (pardoned by Bill)
Peter Paul



As for the following folks: John Huang, James Riady, Yah Ling "Charlie"
Trie...

You'll have to read for yourself:
http://www.think-aboutit.com/Conspir...chronology.htm

NOYB wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
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Bert Robbins wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
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"Jim," wrote in message
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Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase, Jamie Lee
Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of change to Sen.
Hillary Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign. (N.Y. Post) … Bill
Clinton dined out in Manhattan on Tuesday with Jack Nicholson, Jerry
Bruckheimer and a group of other big-name types. (Page Six)


Holw many of Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign finance people are under
indictment or have pled guilty to charges?

There is too much stink following Hillary and she will soon be smeared
with it which will result in her never being the party's nominee in
2008.



Well -- *HOW MANY* How about some names and references?


Currently facing trial:
former finance chairman David Rosen

Should be facing trial:
Abdurahman Alamoudi, an official with the American Muslim Council who once
vowed to eliminate Israel and had previously boasted, "We are the ones who
went to the [Clinton] White House and defended what is called Hamas."

Already convicted:
Marc Rich (pardoned by Bill)
Pincus Green (pardoned by Bill)
Peter Paul



As for the following folks: John Huang, James Riady, Yah Ling "Charlie"
Trie...

You'll have to read for yourself:
http://www.think-aboutit.com/Conspir...chronology.htm


COPYRIGHT 1997 by Conservative Consensus makes more than a little
suspicious about the vast right wing conspiracy theory

"Jim," wrote in message
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"Jim," wrote in message
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"Jim," wrote in message
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Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase, Jamie
Lee Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of change to Sen.
Hillary Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign. (N.Y. Post) … Bill
Clinton dined out in Manhattan on Tuesday with Jack Nicholson, Jerry
Bruckheimer and a group of other big-name types. (Page Six)


Holw many of Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign finance people are
under indictment or have pled guilty to charges?

There is too much stink following Hillary and she will soon be smeared
with it which will result in her never being the party's nominee in
2008.



Well -- *HOW MANY* How about some names and references?


Currently facing trial:
former finance chairman David Rosen

Should be facing trial:
Abdurahman Alamoudi, an official with the American Muslim Council who
once vowed to eliminate Israel and had previously boasted, "We are the
ones who went to the [Clinton] White House and defended what is called
Hamas."

Already convicted:
Marc Rich (pardoned by Bill)
Pincus Green (pardoned by Bill)
Peter Paul



As for the following folks: John Huang, James Riady, Yah Ling "Charlie"
Trie...

You'll have to read for yourself:
http://www.think-aboutit.com/Conspir...chronology.htm


COPYRIGHT 1997 by Conservative Consensus makes more than a little
suspicious about the vast right wing conspiracy theory


Only the info on Huang, Riady, and Trie comes from that page. All of the
other names that I listed are (or have) been in the mainstream news.

NOYB wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
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"Jim," wrote in message
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Bert Robbins wrote:


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Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase, Jamie
Lee Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of change to Sen.
Hillary Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign. (N.Y. Post) … Bill
Clinton dined out in Manhattan on Tuesday with Jack Nicholson, Jerry
Bruckheimer and a group of other big-name types. (Page Six)


Holw many of Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign finance people are
under indictment or have pled guilty to charges?

There is too much stink following Hillary and she will soon be smeared
with it which will result in her never being the party's nominee in
2008.



Well -- *HOW MANY* How about some names and references?

Currently facing trial:
former finance chairman David Rosen

Should be facing trial:
Abdurahman Alamoudi, an official with the American Muslim Council who
once vowed to eliminate Israel and had previously boasted, "We are the
ones who went to the [Clinton] White House and defended what is called
Hamas."

Already convicted:
Marc Rich (pardoned by Bill)
Pincus Green (pardoned by Bill)
Peter Paul



As for the following folks: John Huang, James Riady, Yah Ling "Charlie"
Trie...

You'll have to read for yourself:
http://www.think-aboutit.com/Conspir...chronology.htm


COPYRIGHT 1997 by Conservative Consensus makes more than a little
suspicious about the vast right wing conspiracy theory



Only the info on Huang, Riady, and Trie comes from that page. All of the
other names that I listed are (or have) been in the mainstream news.


So show me. This time find some reputable news source.

"Jim," wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
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"Jim," wrote in message
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"Jim," wrote in message
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Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase, Jamie
Lee Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of change to
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign. (N.Y. Post) …
Bill Clinton dined out in Manhattan on Tuesday with Jack Nicholson,
Jerry Bruckheimer and a group of other big-name types. (Page Six)


Holw many of Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign finance people are
under indictment or have pled guilty to charges?

There is too much stink following Hillary and she will soon be
smeared with it which will result in her never being the party's
nominee in 2008.



Well -- *HOW MANY* How about some names and references?

Currently facing trial:
former finance chairman David Rosen

Should be facing trial:
Abdurahman Alamoudi, an official with the American Muslim Council who
once vowed to eliminate Israel and had previously boasted, "We are the
ones who went to the [Clinton] White House and defended what is called
Hamas."

Already convicted:
Marc Rich (pardoned by Bill)
Pincus Green (pardoned by Bill)
Peter Paul



As for the following folks: John Huang, James Riady, Yah Ling "Charlie"
Trie...

You'll have to read for yourself:
http://www.think-aboutit.com/Conspir...chronology.htm


COPYRIGHT 1997 by Conservative Consensus makes more than a little
suspicious about the vast right wing conspiracy theory



Only the info on Huang, Riady, and Trie comes from that page. All of the
other names that I listed are (or have) been in the mainstream news.
So show me. This time find some reputable news source.

Are you friggin' kidding me? Don't you read the news?

Rosen:
The finance director for her 2000 Senate campaign faces a May 3 (2005)
trial in Los Angeles for allegedly filing false campaign reports for a
celebrity-studded Hollywood fundraising gala. David Rosen could face up to
15 years in prison if convicted.
http://www.smdailyjournal.org/articl...&storyID=42043
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...2clinton1.html


Marc Rich:
Marc Rich's socialite ex-wife has donated an estimated $1 million to
Democratic causes, including $70,000 to Hillary Clinton's successful Senate
campaign and $450,000 to the Clinton presidential library fund. She also
lobbied heavily for Marc's pardon. Investigators want to know if Denise's
contributions led to a direct quid pro quo exchange for her ex-husband's
pardon.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...,99302,00.html



Peter Paul:

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's former finance director has been indicted on
charges of filing fictitious reports that misstated contributions for a
Hollywood fund-raising gala for the senator, the Justice Department said
Friday.

The businessman who hosted the event, Peter Paul, has told federal
authorities that it cost more than $1 million

http://www.wnbc.com/politics/4063107/detail.html

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...2clinton1.html

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Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase, Jamie
Lee Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of change to
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign. (N.Y. Post) …
Bill Clinton dined out in Manhattan on Tuesday with Jack Nicholson,
Jerry Bruckheimer and a group of other big-name types. (Page Six)


Holw many of Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign finance people are
under indictment or have pled guilty to charges?

There is too much stink following Hillary and she will soon be
smeared with it which will result in her never being the party's
nominee in 2008.



Well -- *HOW MANY* How about some names and references?

Currently facing trial:
former finance chairman David Rosen

Should be facing trial:
Abdurahman Alamoudi, an official with the American Muslim Council who
once vowed to eliminate Israel and had previously boasted, "We are the
ones who went to the [Clinton] White House and defended what is called
Hamas."

Already convicted:
Marc Rich (pardoned by Bill)
Pincus Green (pardoned by Bill)
Peter Paul



As for the following folks: John Huang, James Riady, Yah Ling "Charlie"
Trie...

You'll have to read for yourself:
http://www.think-aboutit.com/Conspir...chronology.htm


COPYRIGHT 1997 by Conservative Consensus makes more than a little
suspicious about the vast right wing conspiracy theory



Only the info on Huang, Riady, and Trie comes from that page. All of the
other names that I listed are (or have) been in the mainstream news.

So show me. This time find some reputable news source.


Are you friggin' kidding me? Don't you read the news?

Rosen:
The finance director for her 2000 Senate campaign faces a May 3 (2005)
trial in Los Angeles for allegedly filing false campaign reports for a
celebrity-studded Hollywood fundraising gala. David Rosen could face up to
15 years in prison if convicted.
http://www.smdailyjournal.org/articl...&storyID=42043
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...2clinton1.html


Marc Rich:
Marc Rich's socialite ex-wife has donated an estimated $1 million to
Democratic causes, including $70,000 to Hillary Clinton's successful Senate
campaign and $450,000 to the Clinton presidential library fund. She also
lobbied heavily for Marc's pardon. Investigators want to know if Denise's
contributions led to a direct quid pro quo exchange for her ex-husband's
pardon.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...,99302,00.html



Peter Paul:

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's former finance director has been indicted on
charges of filing fictitious reports that misstated contributions for a
Hollywood fund-raising gala for the senator, the Justice Department said
Friday.

The businessman who hosted the event, Peter Paul, has told federal
authorities that it cost more than $1 million

http://www.wnbc.com/politics/4063107/detail.html

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...2clinton1.html

Ok now we can at least argue facts. Is it so hard to give references
when making claims?

So far we have

1 allegation, that doesn't look like it will be pursued, and 1
incitement, yet to come to trial. How does this compare to something
like Iran-Contra, Watergate, or the oil for food scandals?

I'm not claiming all politicians are saints -- it happens on both sides.
The guilty should be convicted. We shall see what the outcome is.

Of interest to me, is did Hillary know and approve of what happened (if
in fact it happened in the case of the fund raising?)?

Ya, typical krause

lacking integrity and honor

krause, because you are a failure, your family is dysfunctional, your
business skill sets are non existent you continually criticize others who
are successful. hmmmmmmm

The only failures you and Trump have in common are a multiple of wives and
loss of a business. Except his wives are pretty, yours from what I have
heard are fat, ugly and about as dumb as a house plant. But they must have a
little smarts because they left you.









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Those people all have boats or something?

-W

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Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase, Jamie
Lee Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of change to Sen.
Hillary Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign. (N.Y. Post) … Bill
Clinton dined out in Manhattan on Tuesday with Jack Nicholson, Jerry
Bruckheimer and a group of other big-name types. (Page Six)



Trump has or had a boat worthy of his pimpness.


He's an ass.

With a bad haircut.



Indeed he is.

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Of interest to me, is did Hillary know and approve of what happened (if in
fact it happened in the case of the fund raising?)?

It all goes to leadership. Is she responsible for the crew on her ship or
not?

Harry answers this question all of the time.

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Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase,
Jamie Lee Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of
change to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign.
(N.Y. Post) … Bill Clinton dined out in Manhattan on Tuesday with
Jack Nicholson, Jerry Bruckheimer and a group of other big-name
types. (Page Six)


Holw many of Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign finance people are
under indictment or have pled guilty to charges?

There is too much stink following Hillary and she will soon be
smeared with it which will result in her never being the party's
nominee in 2008.



Well -- *HOW MANY* How about some names and references?

Currently facing trial:
former finance chairman David Rosen

Should be facing trial:
Abdurahman Alamoudi, an official with the American Muslim Council who
once vowed to eliminate Israel and had previously boasted, "We are the
ones who went to the [Clinton] White House and defended what is called
Hamas."

Already convicted:
Marc Rich (pardoned by Bill)
Pincus Green (pardoned by Bill)
Peter Paul



As for the following folks: John Huang, James Riady, Yah Ling
"Charlie" Trie...

You'll have to read for yourself:
http://www.think-aboutit.com/Conspir...chronology.htm


COPYRIGHT 1997 by Conservative Consensus makes more than a little
suspicious about the vast right wing conspiracy theory



Only the info on Huang, Riady, and Trie comes from that page. All of
the other names that I listed are (or have) been in the mainstream news.

So show me. This time find some reputable news source.


Are you friggin' kidding me? Don't you read the news?

Rosen:
The finance director for her 2000 Senate campaign faces a May 3 (2005)
trial in Los Angeles for allegedly filing false campaign reports for a
celebrity-studded Hollywood fundraising gala. David Rosen could face up
to 15 years in prison if convicted.
http://www.smdailyjournal.org/articl...&storyID=42043
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...2clinton1.html


Marc Rich:
Marc Rich's socialite ex-wife has donated an estimated $1 million to
Democratic causes, including $70,000 to Hillary Clinton's successful
Senate campaign and $450,000 to the Clinton presidential library fund.
She also lobbied heavily for Marc's pardon. Investigators want to know if
Denise's contributions led to a direct quid pro quo exchange for her
ex-husband's pardon.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...,99302,00.html



Peter Paul:

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's former finance director has been indicted
on charges of filing fictitious reports that misstated contributions for
a Hollywood fund-raising gala for the senator, the Justice Department
said Friday.

The businessman who hosted the event, Peter Paul, has told federal
authorities that it cost more than $1 million

http://www.wnbc.com/politics/4063107/detail.html

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...2clinton1.html

Ok now we can at least argue facts. Is it so hard to give references
when making claims?

So far we have

1 allegation, that doesn't look like it will be pursued, and 1 incitement,
yet to come to trial. How does this compare to something like
Iran-Contra, Watergate, or the oil for food scandals?

Apples to apples please. Your question should be: "how does Hillary
Clinton's fundraising compare to what Tom Delay is being accused of?"

That's the real issue here. Delay is being castigated for much less severe
transgressions than what Bill and Hillary Clinton are guilty of.

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Of interest to me, is did Hillary know and approve of what happened (if
in fact it happened in the case of the fund raising?)?


It all goes to leadership. Is she responsible for the crew on her ship or
not?

Harry answers this question all of the time.

Bush has so lowered the bar for presidential responsibility that we may
never recover. It is possible that even the American people are beginning
to wake up about this guy and starting to realize that his positions and
proposals are only making this country worse. Hopefully, some members of
the US House may find they have spines, too, and begin to stop
rubber-stamping every idiotic, irresponsible idea that Bush proposes.

I haven't been following Hillary's adventures. If she has a staff member
in fund-raising trouble, she should put him/her on leave until the matter
is resolved.

DeLay's problems involve personal involvement.

According to Peter Paul, Hillary was personally neck deep in the fundraising
illegalities.

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Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase,
Jamie Lee Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of
change to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign.
(N.Y. Post) … Bill Clinton dined out in Manhattan on Tuesday with
Jack Nicholson, Jerry Bruckheimer and a group of other big-name
types. (Page Six)


Holw many of Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign finance people are
under indictment or have pled guilty to charges?

There is too much stink following Hillary and she will soon be
smeared with it which will result in her never being the party's
nominee in 2008.



Well -- *HOW MANY* How about some names and references?

Currently facing trial:
former finance chairman David Rosen

Should be facing trial:
Abdurahman Alamoudi, an official with the American Muslim Council who
once vowed to eliminate Israel and had previously boasted, "We are the
ones who went to the [Clinton] White House and defended what is called
Hamas."

Already convicted:
Marc Rich (pardoned by Bill)
Pincus Green (pardoned by Bill)
Peter Paul



As for the following folks: John Huang, James Riady, Yah Ling
"Charlie" Trie...

You'll have to read for yourself:
http://www.think-aboutit.com/Conspir...chronology.htm


COPYRIGHT 1997 by Conservative Consensus makes more than a little
suspicious about the vast right wing conspiracy theory



Only the info on Huang, Riady, and Trie comes from that page. All of
the other names that I listed are (or have) been in the mainstream news.

So show me. This time find some reputable news source.


Are you friggin' kidding me? Don't you read the news?

Rosen:
The finance director for her 2000 Senate campaign faces a May 3 (2005)
trial in Los Angeles for allegedly filing false campaign reports for a
celebrity-studded Hollywood fundraising gala. David Rosen could face up
to 15 years in prison if convicted.
http://www.smdailyjournal.org/articl...&storyID=42043
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...2clinton1.html


Marc Rich:
Marc Rich's socialite ex-wife has donated an estimated $1 million to
Democratic causes, including $70,000 to Hillary Clinton's successful
Senate campaign and $450,000 to the Clinton presidential library fund.
She also lobbied heavily for Marc's pardon. Investigators want to know if
Denise's contributions led to a direct quid pro quo exchange for her
ex-husband's pardon.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...,99302,00.html



Peter Paul:

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's former finance director has been indicted
on charges of filing fictitious reports that misstated contributions for
a Hollywood fund-raising gala for the senator, the Justice Department
said Friday.

The businessman who hosted the event, Peter Paul, has told federal
authorities that it cost more than $1 million

http://www.wnbc.com/politics/4063107/detail.html

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...2clinton1.html

Ok now we can at least argue facts. Is it so hard to give references
when making claims?

So far we have

1 allegation, that doesn't look like it will be pursued, and 1 incitement,
yet to come to trial. How does this compare to something like
Iran-Contra, Watergate, or the oil for food scandals?


Apples to apples please. Your question should be: "how does Hillary
Clinton's fundraising compare to what Tom Delay is being accused of?"

That's the real issue here. Delay is being castigated for much less severe
transgressions than what Bill and Hillary Clinton are guilty of.



Umm -- try were *accused* of. So far the case against DeLAy seems
pretty tight

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Of interest to me, is did Hillary know and approve of what happened (if
in fact it happened in the case of the fund raising?)?


It all goes to leadership. Is she responsible for the crew on her ship or
not?

Harry answers this question all of the time.

Bush has so lowered the bar for presidential responsibility that we may
never recover. It is possible that even the American people are beginning
to wake up about this guy and starting to realize that his positions and
proposals are only making this country worse. Hopefully, some members of
the US House may find they have spines, too, and begin to stop
rubber-stamping every idiotic, irresponsible idea that Bush proposes.

I haven't been following Hillary's adventures. If she has a staff member
in fund-raising trouble, she should put him/her on leave until the matter
is resolved.

DeLay's problems involve personal involvement.

What about Bill Clinton's, "the buck never got here" statement?

Bert Robbins wrote:
"harry.krause" wrote in message
...

Bert Robbins wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
...



Of interest to me, is did Hillary know and approve of what happened (if
in fact it happened in the case of the fund raising?)?


It all goes to leadership. Is she responsible for the crew on her ship or
not?

Harry answers this question all of the time.

Bush has so lowered the bar for presidential responsibility that we may
never recover. It is possible that even the American people are beginning
to wake up about this guy and starting to realize that his positions and
proposals are only making this country worse. Hopefully, some members of
the US House may find they have spines, too, and begin to stop
rubber-stamping every idiotic, irresponsible idea that Bush proposes.

I haven't been following Hillary's adventures. If she has a staff member
in fund-raising trouble, she should put him/her on leave until the matter
is resolved.

DeLay's problems involve personal involvement.


What about Bill Clinton's, "the buck never got here" statement?


Bert -- Please when you do this, give verifiable references. Otherwise
we have to assume it's something you pulled out of your ass.

Googling "Bill Clinton + "the buck never got here"" only gives me
radical anti-Clinton Blogs. Can you tell me where and when he said it
9if in fact he did?)?

"Jim," wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
"harry.krause" wrote in message
...

Bert Robbins wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
...



Of interest to me, is did Hillary know and approve of what happened (if
in fact it happened in the case of the fund raising?)?


It all goes to leadership. Is she responsible for the crew on her ship
or not?

Harry answers this question all of the time.

Bush has so lowered the bar for presidential responsibility that we may
never recover. It is possible that even the American people are beginning
to wake up about this guy and starting to realize that his positions and
proposals are only making this country worse. Hopefully, some members of
the US House may find they have spines, too, and begin to stop
rubber-stamping every idiotic, irresponsible idea that Bush proposes.

I haven't been following Hillary's adventures. If she has a staff member
in fund-raising trouble, she should put him/her on leave until the matter
is resolved.

DeLay's problems involve personal involvement.


What about Bill Clinton's, "the buck never got here" statement?


Bert -- Please when you do this, give verifiable references. Otherwise we
have to assume it's something you pulled out of your ass.

Who the **** do you think you are and where the **** do you think you are?
Verifiable references? Is this a request to conservatives only or does it go
both ways?

Googling "Bill Clinton + "the buck never got here"" only gives me radical
anti-Clinton Blogs. Can you tell me where and when he said it 9if in fact
he did?)?

He said it during his presidency and it was uttered in Washington, D.C.

Bert Robbins wrote:
"Jim," wrote in message
...

Bert Robbins wrote:

"harry.krause" wrote in message
...


Bert Robbins wrote:


"Jim," wrote in message
...




Of interest to me, is did Hillary know and approve of what happened (if
in fact it happened in the case of the fund raising?)?


It all goes to leadership. Is she responsible for the crew on her ship
or not?

Harry answers this question all of the time.

Bush has so lowered the bar for presidential responsibility that we may
never recover. It is possible that even the American people are beginning
to wake up about this guy and starting to realize that his positions and
proposals are only making this country worse. Hopefully, some members of
the US House may find they have spines, too, and begin to stop
rubber-stamping every idiotic, irresponsible idea that Bush proposes.

I haven't been following Hillary's adventures. If she has a staff member
in fund-raising trouble, she should put him/her on leave until the matter
is resolved.

DeLay's problems involve personal involvement.


What about Bill Clinton's, "the buck never got here" statement?



Bert -- Please when you do this, give verifiable references. Otherwise we
have to assume it's something you pulled out of your ass.


Who the **** do you think you are and where the **** do you think you are?
Verifiable references? Is this a request to conservatives only or does it go
both ways?

See my posts -- most of the time I give my sources


Googling "Bill Clinton + "the buck never got here"" only gives me radical
anti-Clinton Blogs. Can you tell me where and when he said it 9if in fact
he did?)?


He said it during his presidency and it was uttered in Washington, D.C.

Sez who? -- Show me! You expect me to beLIEve YOU?????

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 16:01:33 GMT, "Jim," wrote:

Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase, Jamie
Lee Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of change to Sen.
Hillary Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign. (N.Y. Post) … Bill
Clinton dined out in Manhattan on Tuesday with Jack Nicholson, Jerry
Bruckheimer and a group of other big-name types. (Page Six)

Ive had Jack on my 60' Riva, and I too have given Ms. Clinton a 7
digit check.