"Jim," wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Jim," wrote in message
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Bert Robbins wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
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Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase, Jamie Lee
Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of change to Sen.
Hillary Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign. (N.Y. Post) … Bill
Clinton dined out in Manhattan on Tuesday with Jack Nicholson, Jerry
Bruckheimer and a group of other big-name types. (Page Six)


Holw many of Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign finance people are under
indictment or have pled guilty to charges?

There is too much stink following Hillary and she will soon be smeared
with it which will result in her never being the party's nominee in
2008.



Well -- *HOW MANY* How about some names and references?


Currently facing trial:
former finance chairman David Rosen

Should be facing trial:
Abdurahman Alamoudi, an official with the American Muslim Council who once
vowed to eliminate Israel and had previously boasted, "We are the ones who
went to the [Clinton] White House and defended what is called Hamas."

Already convicted:
Marc Rich (pardoned by Bill)
Pincus Green (pardoned by Bill)
Peter Paul



As for the following folks: John Huang, James Riady, Yah Ling "Charlie"
Trie...

You'll have to read for yourself:
http://www.think-aboutit.com/Conspir...chronology.htm

NOYB wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
...

Bert Robbins wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
. ..


Bert Robbins wrote:


"Jim," wrote in message
...



Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase, Jamie Lee
Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of change to Sen.
Hillary Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign. (N.Y. Post) … Bill
Clinton dined out in Manhattan on Tuesday with Jack Nicholson, Jerry
Bruckheimer and a group of other big-name types. (Page Six)


Holw many of Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign finance people are under
indictment or have pled guilty to charges?

There is too much stink following Hillary and she will soon be smeared
with it which will result in her never being the party's nominee in
2008.



Well -- *HOW MANY* How about some names and references?


Currently facing trial:
former finance chairman David Rosen

Should be facing trial:
Abdurahman Alamoudi, an official with the American Muslim Council who once
vowed to eliminate Israel and had previously boasted, "We are the ones who
went to the [Clinton] White House and defended what is called Hamas."

Already convicted:
Marc Rich (pardoned by Bill)
Pincus Green (pardoned by Bill)
Peter Paul



As for the following folks: John Huang, James Riady, Yah Ling "Charlie"
Trie...

You'll have to read for yourself:
http://www.think-aboutit.com/Conspir...chronology.htm


COPYRIGHT 1997 by Conservative Consensus makes more than a little
suspicious about the vast right wing conspiracy theory

"Jim," wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
...

Bert Robbins wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
.. .


Bert Robbins wrote:


"Jim," wrote in message
m...



Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase, Jamie
Lee Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of change to Sen.
Hillary Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign. (N.Y. Post) … Bill
Clinton dined out in Manhattan on Tuesday with Jack Nicholson, Jerry
Bruckheimer and a group of other big-name types. (Page Six)


Holw many of Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign finance people are
under indictment or have pled guilty to charges?

There is too much stink following Hillary and she will soon be smeared
with it which will result in her never being the party's nominee in
2008.



Well -- *HOW MANY* How about some names and references?


Currently facing trial:
former finance chairman David Rosen

Should be facing trial:
Abdurahman Alamoudi, an official with the American Muslim Council who
once vowed to eliminate Israel and had previously boasted, "We are the
ones who went to the [Clinton] White House and defended what is called
Hamas."

Already convicted:
Marc Rich (pardoned by Bill)
Pincus Green (pardoned by Bill)
Peter Paul



As for the following folks: John Huang, James Riady, Yah Ling "Charlie"
Trie...

You'll have to read for yourself:
http://www.think-aboutit.com/Conspir...chronology.htm


COPYRIGHT 1997 by Conservative Consensus makes more than a little
suspicious about the vast right wing conspiracy theory


Only the info on Huang, Riady, and Trie comes from that page. All of the
other names that I listed are (or have) been in the mainstream news.

NOYB wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote:


"Jim," wrote in message
.. .


Bert Robbins wrote:


"Jim," wrote in message
. ..



Bert Robbins wrote:



"Jim," wrote in message
om...




Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase, Jamie
Lee Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of change to Sen.
Hillary Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign. (N.Y. Post) … Bill
Clinton dined out in Manhattan on Tuesday with Jack Nicholson, Jerry
Bruckheimer and a group of other big-name types. (Page Six)


Holw many of Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign finance people are
under indictment or have pled guilty to charges?

There is too much stink following Hillary and she will soon be smeared
with it which will result in her never being the party's nominee in
2008.



Well -- *HOW MANY* How about some names and references?

Currently facing trial:
former finance chairman David Rosen

Should be facing trial:
Abdurahman Alamoudi, an official with the American Muslim Council who
once vowed to eliminate Israel and had previously boasted, "We are the
ones who went to the [Clinton] White House and defended what is called
Hamas."

Already convicted:
Marc Rich (pardoned by Bill)
Pincus Green (pardoned by Bill)
Peter Paul



As for the following folks: John Huang, James Riady, Yah Ling "Charlie"
Trie...

You'll have to read for yourself:
http://www.think-aboutit.com/Conspir...chronology.htm


COPYRIGHT 1997 by Conservative Consensus makes more than a little
suspicious about the vast right wing conspiracy theory



Only the info on Huang, Riady, and Trie comes from that page. All of the
other names that I listed are (or have) been in the mainstream news.


So show me. This time find some reputable news source.

"Jim," wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote:


"Jim," wrote in message
. ..


Bert Robbins wrote:


"Jim," wrote in message
...



Bert Robbins wrote:



"Jim," wrote in message
. com...




Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase, Jamie
Lee Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of change to
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign. (N.Y. Post) …
Bill Clinton dined out in Manhattan on Tuesday with Jack Nicholson,
Jerry Bruckheimer and a group of other big-name types. (Page Six)


Holw many of Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign finance people are
under indictment or have pled guilty to charges?

There is too much stink following Hillary and she will soon be
smeared with it which will result in her never being the party's
nominee in 2008.



Well -- *HOW MANY* How about some names and references?

Currently facing trial:
former finance chairman David Rosen

Should be facing trial:
Abdurahman Alamoudi, an official with the American Muslim Council who
once vowed to eliminate Israel and had previously boasted, "We are the
ones who went to the [Clinton] White House and defended what is called
Hamas."

Already convicted:
Marc Rich (pardoned by Bill)
Pincus Green (pardoned by Bill)
Peter Paul



As for the following folks: John Huang, James Riady, Yah Ling "Charlie"
Trie...

You'll have to read for yourself:
http://www.think-aboutit.com/Conspir...chronology.htm


COPYRIGHT 1997 by Conservative Consensus makes more than a little
suspicious about the vast right wing conspiracy theory



Only the info on Huang, Riady, and Trie comes from that page. All of the
other names that I listed are (or have) been in the mainstream news.
So show me. This time find some reputable news source.

Are you friggin' kidding me? Don't you read the news?

Rosen:
The finance director for her 2000 Senate campaign faces a May 3 (2005)
trial in Los Angeles for allegedly filing false campaign reports for a
celebrity-studded Hollywood fundraising gala. David Rosen could face up to
15 years in prison if convicted.
http://www.smdailyjournal.org/articl...&storyID=42043
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...2clinton1.html


Marc Rich:
Marc Rich's socialite ex-wife has donated an estimated $1 million to
Democratic causes, including $70,000 to Hillary Clinton's successful Senate
campaign and $450,000 to the Clinton presidential library fund. She also
lobbied heavily for Marc's pardon. Investigators want to know if Denise's
contributions led to a direct quid pro quo exchange for her ex-husband's
pardon.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...,99302,00.html



Peter Paul:

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's former finance director has been indicted on
charges of filing fictitious reports that misstated contributions for a
Hollywood fund-raising gala for the senator, the Justice Department said
Friday.

The businessman who hosted the event, Peter Paul, has told federal
authorities that it cost more than $1 million

http://www.wnbc.com/politics/4063107/detail.html

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...2clinton1.html

NOYB wrote:
"Jim," wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote:


"Jim," wrote in message
.. .


NOYB wrote:



"Jim," wrote in message
...



Bert Robbins wrote:



"Jim," wrote in message
m...




Bert Robbins wrote:




"Jim," wrote in message
.com...





Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase, Jamie
Lee Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of change to
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign. (N.Y. Post) …
Bill Clinton dined out in Manhattan on Tuesday with Jack Nicholson,
Jerry Bruckheimer and a group of other big-name types. (Page Six)


Holw many of Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign finance people are
under indictment or have pled guilty to charges?

There is too much stink following Hillary and she will soon be
smeared with it which will result in her never being the party's
nominee in 2008.



Well -- *HOW MANY* How about some names and references?

Currently facing trial:
former finance chairman David Rosen

Should be facing trial:
Abdurahman Alamoudi, an official with the American Muslim Council who
once vowed to eliminate Israel and had previously boasted, "We are the
ones who went to the [Clinton] White House and defended what is called
Hamas."

Already convicted:
Marc Rich (pardoned by Bill)
Pincus Green (pardoned by Bill)
Peter Paul



As for the following folks: John Huang, James Riady, Yah Ling "Charlie"
Trie...

You'll have to read for yourself:
http://www.think-aboutit.com/Conspir...chronology.htm


COPYRIGHT 1997 by Conservative Consensus makes more than a little
suspicious about the vast right wing conspiracy theory



Only the info on Huang, Riady, and Trie comes from that page. All of the
other names that I listed are (or have) been in the mainstream news.

So show me. This time find some reputable news source.


Are you friggin' kidding me? Don't you read the news?

Rosen:
The finance director for her 2000 Senate campaign faces a May 3 (2005)
trial in Los Angeles for allegedly filing false campaign reports for a
celebrity-studded Hollywood fundraising gala. David Rosen could face up to
15 years in prison if convicted.
http://www.smdailyjournal.org/articl...&storyID=42043
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...2clinton1.html


Marc Rich:
Marc Rich's socialite ex-wife has donated an estimated $1 million to
Democratic causes, including $70,000 to Hillary Clinton's successful Senate
campaign and $450,000 to the Clinton presidential library fund. She also
lobbied heavily for Marc's pardon. Investigators want to know if Denise's
contributions led to a direct quid pro quo exchange for her ex-husband's
pardon.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...,99302,00.html



Peter Paul:

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's former finance director has been indicted on
charges of filing fictitious reports that misstated contributions for a
Hollywood fund-raising gala for the senator, the Justice Department said
Friday.

The businessman who hosted the event, Peter Paul, has told federal
authorities that it cost more than $1 million

http://www.wnbc.com/politics/4063107/detail.html

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...2clinton1.html

Ok now we can at least argue facts. Is it so hard to give references
when making claims?

So far we have

1 allegation, that doesn't look like it will be pursued, and 1
incitement, yet to come to trial. How does this compare to something
like Iran-Contra, Watergate, or the oil for food scandals?

I'm not claiming all politicians are saints -- it happens on both sides.
The guilty should be convicted. We shall see what the outcome is.

Of interest to me, is did Hillary know and approve of what happened (if
in fact it happened in the case of the fund raising?)?

"Jim," wrote in message
...

Of interest to me, is did Hillary know and approve of what happened (if in
fact it happened in the case of the fund raising?)?

It all goes to leadership. Is she responsible for the crew on her ship or
not?

Harry answers this question all of the time.

"Jim," wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Jim," wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote:


"Jim," wrote in message
. ..


NOYB wrote:



"Jim," wrote in message
m...



Bert Robbins wrote:



"Jim," wrote in message
om...




Bert Robbins wrote:




"Jim," wrote in message
r.com...





Celebs including Donald Trump, Barbra Streisand, Chevy Chase,
Jamie Lee Curtis and Rob Reiner have donated large chunks of
change to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's re-election campaign.
(N.Y. Post) … Bill Clinton dined out in Manhattan on Tuesday with
Jack Nicholson, Jerry Bruckheimer and a group of other big-name
types. (Page Six)


Holw many of Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign finance people are
under indictment or have pled guilty to charges?

There is too much stink following Hillary and she will soon be
smeared with it which will result in her never being the party's
nominee in 2008.



Well -- *HOW MANY* How about some names and references?

Currently facing trial:
former finance chairman David Rosen

Should be facing trial:
Abdurahman Alamoudi, an official with the American Muslim Council who
once vowed to eliminate Israel and had previously boasted, "We are the
ones who went to the [Clinton] White House and defended what is called
Hamas."

Already convicted:
Marc Rich (pardoned by Bill)
Pincus Green (pardoned by Bill)
Peter Paul



As for the following folks: John Huang, James Riady, Yah Ling
"Charlie" Trie...

You'll have to read for yourself:
http://www.think-aboutit.com/Conspir...chronology.htm


COPYRIGHT 1997 by Conservative Consensus makes more than a little
suspicious about the vast right wing conspiracy theory



Only the info on Huang, Riady, and Trie comes from that page. All of
the other names that I listed are (or have) been in the mainstream news.

So show me. This time find some reputable news source.


Are you friggin' kidding me? Don't you read the news?

Rosen:
The finance director for her 2000 Senate campaign faces a May 3 (2005)
trial in Los Angeles for allegedly filing false campaign reports for a
celebrity-studded Hollywood fundraising gala. David Rosen could face up
to 15 years in prison if convicted.
http://www.smdailyjournal.org/articl...&storyID=42043
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...2clinton1.html


Marc Rich:
Marc Rich's socialite ex-wife has donated an estimated $1 million to
Democratic causes, including $70,000 to Hillary Clinton's successful
Senate campaign and $450,000 to the Clinton presidential library fund.
She also lobbied heavily for Marc's pardon. Investigators want to know if
Denise's contributions led to a direct quid pro quo exchange for her
ex-husband's pardon.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...,99302,00.html



Peter Paul:

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's former finance director has been indicted
on charges of filing fictitious reports that misstated contributions for
a Hollywood fund-raising gala for the senator, the Justice Department
said Friday.

The businessman who hosted the event, Peter Paul, has told federal
authorities that it cost more than $1 million

http://www.wnbc.com/politics/4063107/detail.html

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...2clinton1.html

Ok now we can at least argue facts. Is it so hard to give references
when making claims?

So far we have

1 allegation, that doesn't look like it will be pursued, and 1 incitement,
yet to come to trial. How does this compare to something like
Iran-Contra, Watergate, or the oil for food scandals?

Apples to apples please. Your question should be: "how does Hillary
Clinton's fundraising compare to what Tom Delay is being accused of?"

That's the real issue here. Delay is being castigated for much less severe
transgressions than what Bill and Hillary Clinton are guilty of.