OT--Good news from the NY Times
 

David Brooks has replaced Maureen Dowd on Sunday's editorial page.

:-)

"John Doeski" wrote in message
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, "NOYB" wrote:
David Brooks has replaced Maureen Dowd on Sunday's editorial page.

:-)

And this has to do with rec.boats? Oh, sorry, wrecked.boats asshole.




See the "OT"? Try using a filter...if you're smart enough.

Ynzb wrote:

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, "NOYB" wrote:

"John Doeski" wrote in message
.. .

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, "NOYB" wrote:

David Brooks has replaced Maureen Dowd on Sunday's editorial page.

:-)

And this has to do with rec.boats? Oh, sorry, wrecked.boats asshole.




See the "OT"? Try using a filter...if you're smart enough.


If you're smart enough, you wouldn't be posting your **** here. This is
rec.boats, not asshole.politics.

it's asshole politics only when the liberals post, when the right wing
Bu****e artists post, it's religion.

Harry Krause Crapper wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, "Jim," wrote:

Ynzb wrote:


On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, "NOYB" wrote:


"John Doeski" wrote in message
...


On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, "NOYB" wrote:


David Brooks has replaced Maureen Dowd on Sunday's editorial page.

:-)

And this has to do with rec.boats? Oh, sorry, wrecked.boats asshole.




See the "OT"? Try using a filter...if you're smart enough.


If you're smart enough, you wouldn't be posting your **** here. This is
rec.boats, not asshole.politics.

it's asshole politics only when the liberals post, when the right wing
Bu****e artists post, it's religion.


No, I'll hammer all of you. Left, Right, Middle, Hermaphrodite, etc. This
is rec.boats, not wrecked boats. Get a life and get on topic.

It will be a long bad year for you OT political posters.

Ohhhhh -- I'm scared! -- But *I* know how to use filters.

"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
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The Sunday Times Op-Ed page is growing into a different product.

Fair and balanced.

The Thing wrote:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, "Harry.Krause" wrote:

NOYB wrote:

"John Doeski" wrote in message
. ..


On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, "NOYB" wrote:


David Brooks has replaced Maureen Dowd on Sunday's editorial page.

:-)

And this has to do with rec.boats? Oh, sorry, wrecked.boats asshole.





See the "OT"? Try using a filter...if you're smart enough.





Please...you'll upset the "Smithers" clone.

BTW, Dowd's stuff will simply appear on a different day. The Sunday
Times Op-Ed page is growing into a different product.


Awww, Harry, my favorite asshole saying bad things about me. This is
rec.boats so please stay on topic.


Yeah!!! love it!! Good luck Mr, Miss or Mrs Remailer, they've withstood
all assaults yours seems to be the last resort.

"Please sir may I have some more???" & include those that dish us up
spam???

I wish you & your boat well:-) (see on topic & I've made sure the
idiot's lie of the day is also:-))

K

This lying idiot has manufactured a story about his father being
the biggest OMC dealer on the US NE coast, needless to say Krause then
says that's where he learned all he obviously doesn't know about boats:-)

Here's just one of the lies from the "father" series, try to
remember he's talking $3000000 in the 70s!! Honestly it's embarrassing
that a grown man would lie like this I guess that's the standard of
union thugs ???


I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything
was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started.
For near full-retail, too.

Harry Krause wrote:

I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything
was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started.
For near full-retail, too.

Harry,
I am curious, how did you depress the market if you were selling for
full-retail?

"The real ME" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:

I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything
was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I
started.
For near full-retail, too.


$3 million in 1970 translates to about $15 million today.

Must have been one hell of a business to have that sort of inventory.

For comparison sake I wonder what sort of inventory (retail) a typical
Walmart carries.

Harry Krause wrote:
K. Smith wrote:

The Thing wrote:


And this has to do with rec.boats? Oh, sorry, wrecked.boats asshole.



Awww, Harry, my favorite asshole saying bad things about me. This is
rec.boats so please stay on topic.


And from the redoubtable Ms. Smith:

Yeah!!! love it!! Good luck Mr, Miss or Mrs Remailer, they've
withstood all assaults yours seems to be the last resort.

"Please sir may I have some more???" & include those that dish us
up spam???

I wish you & your boat well:-) (see on topic & I've made sure the
idiot's lie of the day is also:-))

K



Here we have Ms. Smith, encouraging the "phantom remailer" to increase
his or her obnoxious behavior, thus offering up proof that Ms. Smith is
among those who really and truly wants to see what's left of this little
newsgroup destroyed.




You sick lying grub:-) Poor little union thug Krause is concerned about
"this little newsgroup" you are the problem always have been.

Again that even a dumbo like you might understand; you are the major
problem here indeed over the years you've lied & bullied most of the
good posters away.

No matter what the remailer does I doubt you'll stop but good on
whoever for trying, if it bothers uneducated liar OT you & your
uneducated deceptive OT spammer mate (see a pattern??) then that's just
a bonus:-)

K

This lying idiot has manufactured a story about his father being
the biggest OMC dealer on the US NE coast, needless to say Krause then
says that's where he learned all he obviously doesn't know about boats:-)

Here's just one of the lies from the "father" series, try to
remember he's talking $3000000 in the 70s!! Honestly it's embarrassing
that a grown man would lie like this I guess that's the standard of
union thugs ???


I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything
was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started.
For near full-retail, too.

JimH,

I am not certain what inventory level a Wal-Mart maintains, but I am curious
why all the other marinas in the Long Island Sound area were not able to
sell boats and boating supplies at full retail.

I would think Harry could have started a consultation company to show all
those less informed marina owners how to sell product at full retail. Most
stores and boat dealers would love to be able to sell at full retail. Harry
should have taught his dad how to successfully run a marina when he was in
business.


"JimH" wrote in message
...

"The real ME" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:

I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything
was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I
started.
For near full-retail, too.


$3 million in 1970 translates to about $15 million today.

Must have been one hell of a business to have that sort of inventory.

For comparison sake I wonder what sort of inventory (retail) a typical
Walmart carries.

Wow, this is a great thread. I like the way we took an OT thread and turned
it into an ON TOPIC thread.


"The real ME" wrote in message
...
JimH,

I am not certain what inventory level a Wal-Mart maintains, but I am
curious why all the other marinas in the Long Island Sound area were not
able to sell boats and boating supplies at full retail.

I would think Harry could have started a consultation company to show all
those less informed marina owners how to sell product at full retail.
Most stores and boat dealers would love to be able to sell at full retail.
Harry should have taught his dad how to successfully run a marina when he
was in business.


"JimH" wrote in message
...

"The real ME" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:

I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything
was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I
started.
For near full-retail, too.


$3 million in 1970 translates to about $15 million today.

Must have been one hell of a business to have that sort of inventory.

For comparison sake I wonder what sort of inventory (retail) a typical
Walmart carries.

Harry,

That is a major accomplishment to unload all of your dad's inventory in
record time for "near full retail". You should be commended for doing
everything you can to minimize the negative impact on the other marina's in
the area. I am curious, since you only discounted the items slightly, how
did you get everyone to drive past all the other marinas and boat stores, if
you were just slightly discounting the product.

This is something many people, including our good friend on Lake Hartwell
would like to know. He might be able to get those boating on all the other
lakes in Georgia and South Carolina to visit him instead of their local
dealers and stores.




"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
The real ME wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:


I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything
was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I
started.
For near full-retail, too.


Harry,
I am curious, how did you depress the market if you were selling for
full-retail?

Why are you curious? Are you planning to transport yourself back to 1974
in New Haven County and go into the retail boating business?

I'll indulge you.

I didn't sell for full-retail, as my father had. I sold for *near* full
retail, which, in those days, for the lines my dad sold, was unheard of in
the pre-season. Remember, this was in the days where a franchise meant
something, and among the "something" was a protected territory, meaning
there were no competitors selling the same brand name within a certain
area. "You want a Cruisers, Inc., 23-footer with an I/O? Fine, the price
is $15,000 or whatever, and I'll toss in some cushions."

There were three large dealerships in that part of Connecticut in those
days, my father's, which was in West Haven and Milford, another in West
Haven, and one in Branford. Two of my father's best friends were the
owners of the other large dealerships. At a memorial for my dad later that
year, the two close dealer friends told me that our "sale" had killed off
nearly 20% of their sales for the year, and had apparently driven two of
the weaker dealerships right out of business.

Of the three large dealerships, only one is still open today, operated by
the grandson of the founder. All were started just before or just after WW
II. Last I heard, only one of the original proprietors was still alive.

The irony is that my mother and I had tried to talk my father into selling
off the dealership five years before he died. The retail property was
worth far more than any boat dealership could generate in sales and
profit, and his interest in the marina was practically a liquid asset.
After he died, the other owners of the marina bought us out at the first
partners' meeting, and we sold the store property in West Haven six months
later. The buyers of that parcel razed the boat store and warehouse and
put up a strip mall. Kind of sad.

My mom ended up doing what she and my dad talked about doing. She bought a
nice place in Palm Beach and lived there in the land of perpetual sunshine
for nearly another 20 years before she died.

Yes, I contemplated taking over the family business. But fortunately, that
thought passed in about 20 seconds.

"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
The real ME wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:


I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything
was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I
started.
For near full-retail, too.


Harry,
I am curious, how did you depress the market if you were selling for
full-retail?

Why are you curious? Are you planning to transport yourself back to 1974
in New Haven County and go into the retail boating business?

I'll indulge you.

I didn't sell for full-retail, as my father had. I sold for *near* full
retail, which, in those days, for the lines my dad sold, was unheard of in
the pre-season. Remember, this was in the days where a franchise meant
something, and among the "something" was a protected territory, meaning
there were no competitors selling the same brand name within a certain
area. "You want a Cruisers, Inc., 23-footer with an I/O? Fine, the price
is $15,000 or whatever, and I'll toss in some cushions."

There were three large dealerships in that part of Connecticut in those
days, my father's, which was in West Haven and Milford, another in West
Haven, and one in Branford. Two of my father's best friends were the
owners of the other large dealerships. At a memorial for my dad later that
year, the two close dealer friends told me that our "sale" had killed off
nearly 20% of their sales for the year, and had apparently driven two of
the weaker dealerships right out of business.

Ummm. That dealership that was driven out of business was...yours. Anybody
can sell price.

Harry's sales technique:
"I know we're losing money on each transaction, but we'll make up for it
with volume."

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...

The Sunday Times Op-Ed page is growing into a different product.


Fair and balanced.

But if the Times is F&B, where will Faux go?


To the right.

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
The real ME wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:


I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything
was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I
started.
For near full-retail, too.


Harry,
I am curious, how did you depress the market if you were selling for
full-retail?

Why are you curious? Are you planning to transport yourself back to 1974
in New Haven County and go into the retail boating business?

I'll indulge you.

I didn't sell for full-retail, as my father had. I sold for *near* full
retail, which, in those days, for the lines my dad sold, was unheard of
in the pre-season. Remember, this was in the days where a franchise meant
something, and among the "something" was a protected territory, meaning
there were no competitors selling the same brand name within a certain
area. "You want a Cruisers, Inc., 23-footer with an I/O? Fine, the price
is $15,000 or whatever, and I'll toss in some cushions."

There were three large dealerships in that part of Connecticut in those
days, my father's, which was in West Haven and Milford, another in West
Haven, and one in Branford. Two of my father's best friends were the
owners of the other large dealerships. At a memorial for my dad later
that year, the two close dealer friends told me that our "sale" had
killed off nearly 20% of their sales for the year, and had apparently
driven two of the weaker dealerships right out of business.

Ummm. That dealership that was driven out of business was...yours.
Anybody can sell price.

Harry's sales technique:
"I know we're losing money on each transaction, but we'll make up for it
with volume."

And he boat his 36' lobsta boat with the proceeds, right?

"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
The real ME wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:


I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything
was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I
started.
For near full-retail, too.


Harry,
I am curious, how did you depress the market if you were selling for
full-retail?

Why are you curious? Are you planning to transport yourself back to 1974
in New Haven County and go into the retail boating business?

I'll indulge you.

I didn't sell for full-retail, as my father had. I sold for *near* full
retail, which, in those days, for the lines my dad sold, was unheard of
in the pre-season. Remember, this was in the days where a franchise meant
something, and among the "something" was a protected territory, meaning
there were no competitors selling the same brand name within a certain
area. "You want a Cruisers, Inc., 23-footer with an I/O? Fine, the price
is $15,000 or whatever, and I'll toss in some cushions."

There were three large dealerships in that part of Connecticut in those
days, my father's, which was in West Haven and Milford, another in West
Haven, and one in Branford. Two of my father's best friends were the
owners of the other large dealerships. At a memorial for my dad later
that year, the two close dealer friends told me that our "sale" had
killed off nearly 20% of their sales for the year, and had apparently
driven two of the weaker dealerships right out of business.

Of the three large dealerships, only one is still open today, operated by
the grandson of the founder. All were started just before or just after
WW II. Last I heard, only one of the original proprietors was still
alive.

The irony is that my mother and I had tried to talk my father into
selling off the dealership five years before he died. The retail property
was worth far more than any boat dealership could generate in sales and
profit, and his interest in the marina was practically a liquid asset.
After he died, the other owners of the marina bought us out at the first
partners' meeting, and we sold the store property in West Haven six
months later. The buyers of that parcel razed the boat store and
warehouse and put up a strip mall. Kind of sad.

My mom ended up doing what she and my dad talked about doing. She bought
a nice place in Palm Beach and lived there in the land of perpetual
sunshine for nearly another 20 years before she died.

Yes, I contemplated taking over the family business. But fortunately,
that thought passed in about 20 seconds.






"The real ME" wrote in message
...
Harry,

That is a major accomplishment to unload all of your dad's inventory in
record time for "near full retail". You should be commended for doing
everything you can to minimize the negative impact on the other marina's
in the area. I am curious, since you only discounted the items slightly,
how did you get everyone to drive past all the other marinas and boat
stores, if you were just slightly discounting the product.

This is something many people, including our good friend on Lake Hartwell
would like to know. He might be able to get those boating on all the
other lakes in Georgia and South Carolina to visit him instead of their
local dealers and stores.




I still wonder what kind of actual physical inventory he had. With $3
million in sales he would have had to sell 200 of those 23 foot Cruisers.
Knowing that only one or two of those would have been in stock and the
others were probably far smaller and cheaper, I figure 300 boats were sold
along with 500 or so outboard motors.

Krause has to be the worlds best salesman to have accomplished that.

The place had to be the size of a Walmart Super Store and traffic had to be
lined up as far south as NYC.

Amazing. ;-)

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...

The real ME wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:



I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything
was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I
started.
For near full-retail, too.


Harry,
I am curious, how did you depress the market if you were selling for
full-retail?

Why are you curious? Are you planning to transport yourself back to 1974
in New Haven County and go into the retail boating business?

I'll indulge you.

I didn't sell for full-retail, as my father had. I sold for *near* full
retail, which, in those days, for the lines my dad sold, was unheard of
in the pre-season. Remember, this was in the days where a franchise meant
something, and among the "something" was a protected territory, meaning
there were no competitors selling the same brand name within a certain
area. "You want a Cruisers, Inc., 23-footer with an I/O? Fine, the price
is $15,000 or whatever, and I'll toss in some cushions."

There were three large dealerships in that part of Connecticut in those
days, my father's, which was in West Haven and Milford, another in West
Haven, and one in Branford. Two of my father's best friends were the
owners of the other large dealerships. At a memorial for my dad later
that year, the two close dealer friends told me that our "sale" had
killed off nearly 20% of their sales for the year, and had apparently
driven two of the weaker dealerships right out of business.


Ummm. That dealership that was driven out of business was...yours.
Anybody can sell price.

Not at all. My goal was to liquidate the business as quickly as possible,
pay off all debt, provide my aging mama with a pile of dead presidents so
she could retire in style to Florida, and then sell off the business real
estate. The store wasn't "driven" out of business. I didn't want the
business and I liquidated it.


Fair enough. But the fact of the matter is *two* (not one) businesses were
out of business after your liquidation sale.

At a tidy profit.


By definition, a liquidation doesn't produce true "profit". You're
converting fixed assets into liquid assets. On a balance sheet, nothing has
changed.




Harry's sales technique:
"I know we're losing money on each transaction, but we'll make up for it
with volume."


We joked about that, but the net proceeds enabled my mom to buy a nice
place in Palm Beach and to buy a bunch of CDs that provided here with a
very comfortable retirement.



Nothing wrong with that. But realize that there's not much business acumen
needed to liquidate a business. The end result of selling price for any
business is exactly what happened to your dad's business: it goes out of
business.

Harry,

Since you were able to sell approximately $15 million dollars (in current
dollars) in 30 days, what do you think your father was doing incorrectly
when he was running the business?

With this kind of success I would think about doing an "out of business
sale"
every spring. You could do more business than most West Marine or Boat US
Stores do in a year, and only be open 30 days a year.

Thanks for you concern about my lack of a boat, but I am a very happy boat
owner.

I haven't heard about your 36' Lobster boat in years. Do you have a picture
you can posts on your web site?






"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
The real ME wrote:
Harry,

That is a major accomplishment to unload all of your dad's inventory in
record time for "near full retail". You should be commended for doing
everything you can to minimize the negative impact on the other marina's
in the area. I am curious, since you only discounted the items slightly,
how did you get everyone to drive past all the other marinas and boat
stores, if you were just slightly discounting the product.


D'oh. Perhaps you ought to enroll in a "reading for comprehension"
program.

There were only a few "large" dealerships in New Haven County back then.
Most of the dealerships were NOT located at marinas, but were
free-standing stores, usually some distance from the water. My father's
main store was some miles from Long Island Sound, for example. It was on
the Boston Post Road, US Route 1, the main commercial route in those days
between New York and Boston. There was no need to get people to drive by
the store, since thousands upon thousands did that every day of the week.
If you were trailering your boat from New Haven to Milford, for example,
you'd just about *have* to drive by the store unless you wanted to take a
bunch of back roads. The Connecticut Turnpike did not pull much local
traffic off the Boston Post Road, because the CT was a TOLL road back
then.

He did not sell new boats and motors at the marina, just some accessories
and parts. As managing partner, he did allow owners to sell their own
boats at the marina, with or without a broker.

As I stated, he was "the" franchise dealer for the lines he sold. If you
wanted the products he sold, you either bought them from him or you drove
a considerable distance to find another dealer who handled them. And there
was no guarantee the distant dealer's price would be much lower, if it was
lower. There were a couple of boat lines my dad sold that you'd have to
drive several hundred miles to find a competitive dealer.

For outboard boats, these were the days before "factory pre-rig," and
outdrives were just beginning to gain in popularity. While there were
factory suggested price sheets for outboards, I don't recall seeing any
for boats. Their prices were set by the dealers.

There. See. Now you know a little about how the boat business used to be.
Someday, you'll not be able to use that information to buy your first
boat.



--
Bush and the NeoConvicts who control him
are destroying the once-great United States.

Harry,

Since you have been so proud of your 26' Parker and have published the
pictures on your web site numerous times, I am sure everyone would love to
see your 36' Lobster Boat.

Since you are considering selling your Parker due to higher gas prices (heck
we don't want to contribute to the oil companies greed and profit), are you
going to keep the Lobster boat? Does the Parker burn more or less gas than
the Lobster Boat?



"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
The real ME wrote:
Harry,

Since you were able to sell approximately $15 million dollars (in current
dollars) in 30 days, what do you think your father was doing incorrectly
when he was running the business?

Save your patronizing manner for your little circle, jerk. My old man ran
his business the way he wanted, and answered only to himself.



With this kind of success I would think about doing an "out of business
sale"
every spring. You could do more business than most West Marine or Boat
US Stores do in a year, and only be open 30 days a year.

Why does it not surprise me that you would advocate something illegal?




Thanks for you concern about my lack of a boat, but I am a very happy
boat owner.

How could you have a boat? You don't even have an identity.



I haven't heard about your 36' Lobster boat in years. Do you have a
picture you can posts on your web site?

Yes, I do.




--
Bush and the NeoConvicts who control him
are destroying the once-great United States.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:08:26 -0400, "The real ME" wrote:

Harry,

That is a major accomplishment to unload all of your dad's inventory in
record time for "near full retail". You should be commended for doing
everything you can to minimize the negative impact on the other marina's in
the area. I am curious, since you only discounted the items slightly, how
did you get everyone to drive past all the other marinas and boat stores, if
you were just slightly discounting the product.

This is something many people, including our good friend on Lake Hartwell
would like to know. He might be able to get those boating on all the other
lakes in Georgia and South Carolina to visit him instead of their local
dealers and stores.




"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
The real ME wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:


I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything
was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I
started.
For near full-retail, too.


Harry,
I am curious, how did you depress the market if you were selling for
full-retail?

Why are you curious? Are you planning to transport yourself back to 1974
in New Haven County and go into the retail boating business?

I'll indulge you.

I didn't sell for full-retail, as my father had. I sold for *near* full
retail, which, in those days, for the lines my dad sold, was unheard of in
the pre-season. Remember, this was in the days where a franchise meant
something, and among the "something" was a protected territory, meaning
there were no competitors selling the same brand name within a certain
area. "You want a Cruisers, Inc., 23-footer with an I/O? Fine, the price
is $15,000 or whatever, and I'll toss in some cushions."

There were three large dealerships in that part of Connecticut in those
days, my father's, which was in West Haven and Milford, another in West
Haven, and one in Branford. Two of my father's best friends were the
owners of the other large dealerships. At a memorial for my dad later that
year, the two close dealer friends told me that our "sale" had killed off
nearly 20% of their sales for the year, and had apparently driven two of
the weaker dealerships right out of business.

Of the three large dealerships, only one is still open today, operated by
the grandson of the founder. All were started just before or just after WW
II. Last I heard, only one of the original proprietors was still alive.

The irony is that my mother and I had tried to talk my father into selling
off the dealership five years before he died. The retail property was
worth far more than any boat dealership could generate in sales and
profit, and his interest in the marina was practically a liquid asset.
After he died, the other owners of the marina bought us out at the first
partners' meeting, and we sold the store property in West Haven six months
later. The buyers of that parcel razed the boat store and warehouse and
put up a strip mall. Kind of sad.

My mom ended up doing what she and my dad talked about doing. She bought a
nice place in Palm Beach and lived there in the land of perpetual sunshine
for nearly another 20 years before she died.

Yes, I contemplated taking over the family business. But fortunately, that
thought passed in about 20 seconds.






Such history. I wonder, if the dad owned the business, what did all the partners
own?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Harry,
Thanks for the reply.

I am sure everyone would love to see a picture of your Lobster Boat, will
you put a picture on your web site? I am sure even Gould would like to see
a picture of your Lobster Boat.

I would be willing to put a picture of my boats and a picture of my face if
you do.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
The real ME wrote:
Harry,


Thanks for you concern about my lack of a boat, but I am a very happy
boat owner.

How could you have a boat? You don't even have an identity.



I haven't heard about your 36' Lobster boat in years. Do you have a
picture you can posts on your web site?

Yes, I do.


You need to go back and read my response again. This time, try to parse
through its meaning:

"Yes, I do."





--
Bush and the NeoConvicts who control him
are destroying the once-great United States.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

I would be willing to put a picture of my boats and a picture of my face
if you do.


What a thrill.
--
Bush and the NeoConvicts who control him
are destroying the once-great United States.

Harry,

If you don't care about my boat and who I am, why do you keep asking me?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
The real ME wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


I would be willing to put a picture of my boats and a picture of my face
if you do.


What a thrill.
--
Bush and the NeoConvicts who control him
are destroying the once-great United States.


Harry,

If you don't care about my boat and who I am, why do you keep asking me?


Oh, I thought maybe you'd slip and tell the truth about something,
anything,

Speaking about telling the truth, are you willing to fess up about your
Lobster Boat?

With all of your friends online, has someone has seen it or a picture of
it.

Did I tell you about my 5 boats?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
The real ME wrote:


Harry,

If you don't care about my boat and who I am, why do you keep asking me?


Oh, I thought maybe you'd slip and tell the truth about something,
anything,


Speaking about telling the truth, are you willing to fess up about your
Lobster Boat?

With all of your friends online, has someone has seen it or a picture of
it.



I believe so.

--
Bush and the NeoConvicts who control him
are destroying the once-great United States.

Harry,

Very nice joke, it is good to see you still are at the top of your game.

As far as the note from my ISP, as soon as I get one I will post a copy for
you.

By the way, I have found McGuires Gold Class Leather Cleaner /
Conditioner care does any excellent job of keeping my Corinthian leather
seats on the Hat very supple w/o the oily feel of many other products I have
tried.




"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
The real ME wrote:
Did I tell you about my 5 boats?


The Revell models you built in junior high don't count.

You're really quite the troll. Care to post the note your ISP sent you?


--
Bush and the NeoConvicts who control him
are destroying the once-great United States.

John H wrote:

Such history. I wonder, if the dad owned the business, what did all the partners
own?


I read it to say Harry's dad & the partners owned the marina...but
Harry's dad owned the boat 'store' all by himself. Isn't that what you
understood?

Harry.Krause wrote:
The real ME wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:


I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything
was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I
started.
For near full-retail, too.



Harry,
I am curious, how did you depress the market if you were selling for
full-retail?


Why are you curious? Are you planning to transport yourself back to 1974
in New Haven County and go into the retail boating business?

I'll indulge you.

I didn't sell for full-retail, as my father had. I sold for *near* full
retail, which, in those days, for the lines my dad sold, was unheard of
in the pre-season. Remember, this was in the days where a franchise
meant something, and among the "something" was a protected territory,
meaning there were no competitors selling the same brand name within a
certain area. "You want a Cruisers, Inc., 23-footer with an I/O? Fine,
the price is $15,000 or whatever, and I'll toss in some cushions."

There were three large dealerships in that part of Connecticut in those
days, my father's, which was in West Haven and Milford, another in West
Haven, and one in Branford. Two of my father's best friends were the
owners of the other large dealerships. At a memorial for my dad later
that year, the two close dealer friends told me that our "sale" had
killed off nearly 20% of their sales for the year, and had apparently
driven two of the weaker dealerships right out of business.

Of the three large dealerships, only one is still open today, operated
by the grandson of the founder. All were started just before or just
after WW II. Last I heard, only one of the original proprietors was
still alive.

The irony is that my mother and I had tried to talk my father into
selling off the dealership five years before he died. The retail
property was worth far more than any boat dealership could generate in
sales and profit, and his interest in the marina was practically a
liquid asset. After he died, the other owners of the marina bought us
out at the first partners' meeting, and we sold the store property in
West Haven six months later. The buyers of that parcel razed the boat
store and warehouse and put up a strip mall. Kind of sad.

My mom ended up doing what she and my dad talked about doing. She bought
a nice place in Palm Beach and lived there in the land of perpetual
sunshine for nearly another 20 years before she died.

Yes, I contemplated taking over the family business. But fortunately,
that thought passed in about 20 seconds.





A new lie for the list thanks:-) He just counters lies with more
lies:-) !!!!

K

Anyway Krause lie of the day is severely challenged by Gould's latest NG
spam, but Krause still takes the cake.

Here's where this liar works, the lowest of the low, a spruiker for a
union rip off, he works in the "PR" dept of a union, that about tells it all

PR Contacts

For media inquiries, please contact the individual listed below:

Harry Krause
ULLICO Inc.
(202) 682-7957



Here's some of Harry's lies for you, just to bring back old
memories:-)

But if I may?? before you read; take a look at these passages from an
article about the bent union rip off, who rip off other unionists,
(honour among .......???)

ULLICO
Union Pension-Owned Company Set to Lose $20-$30 Million
Its stock windfall from the bankrupt Global Crossing now gone,
Georgine, former head of the AFL-CIO's Bldg. &
Construction Trades Dept., blamed chief financial officer John Grelle for
the losses. Days later, Grelle resigned in protest, blasting Georgine for
not selling the company jet, which costs $3 million a year.

N.B. Now did you see that!!!!!??? Harry as you'll see below "claims"
his wife has a corporate jet!!!! He's making these stories up as the
jealous junior mail person in the PR dept!!!!

There was no indication if Grelle also called on Georgine and other union
boss directors of Ullico to return the more than $6 million they made in
inside deals of Ullico stock in 2000 and 2001. In the late 90s, Ullico was
able to buy Global Crossing stock at its initial public offering (IPO)
price. By 1999, a $7.6 million investment had mushroomed to $335 million.
After pricing its own stock at a set $25 per share, Ullico directors changed
the rules, setting a new price at the beginning of each year.

So these rip offs were raking it in at the expense of the workers in
many unions & I'll suggest that the fantasy boats that Harry claims are
HIS OWN are in fact the play things of the execs of the insurance CO, I
also suggest that's his only involvement is as the boat boy for his
union bosses!!!


Global
Crossing spiraled toward bankruptcy, and Ullico's stock took a tumble, the
Ullico directors who had bought their stock at $54 a share were given two
opportunities to sell it back, the first time for $146 a share, the second
time for $75. As Georgine and the other Ullico officials made $6.7 million
in profits, the union pension funds that own Ullico could not take advantage
of the same deal.

And clearly they have a very well practiced liar in the PR dept mail
room to help post out those bogus spin releases:-)

John H wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:08:26 -0400, "The real ME" wrote:


Harry,

That is a major accomplishment to unload all of your dad's inventory in
record time for "near full retail". You should be commended for doing
everything you can to minimize the negative impact on the other marina's in
the area. I am curious, since you only discounted the items slightly, how
did you get everyone to drive past all the other marinas and boat stores, if
you were just slightly discounting the product.

This is something many people, including our good friend on Lake Hartwell
would like to know. He might be able to get those boating on all the other
lakes in Georgia and South Carolina to visit him instead of their local
dealers and stores.




"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...

The real ME wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:



I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything
was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I
started.
For near full-retail, too.


Harry,
I am curious, how did you depress the market if you were selling for
full-retail?

Why are you curious? Are you planning to transport yourself back to 1974
in New Haven County and go into the retail boating business?

I'll indulge you.

I didn't sell for full-retail, as my father had. I sold for *near* full
retail, which, in those days, for the lines my dad sold, was unheard of in
the pre-season. Remember, this was in the days where a franchise meant
something, and among the "something" was a protected territory, meaning
there were no competitors selling the same brand name within a certain
area. "You want a Cruisers, Inc., 23-footer with an I/O? Fine, the price
is $15,000 or whatever, and I'll toss in some cushions."

There were three large dealerships in that part of Connecticut in those
days, my father's, which was in West Haven and Milford, another in West
Haven, and one in Branford. Two of my father's best friends were the
owners of the other large dealerships. At a memorial for my dad later that
year, the two close dealer friends told me that our "sale" had killed off
nearly 20% of their sales for the year, and had apparently driven two of
the weaker dealerships right out of business.

Of the three large dealerships, only one is still open today, operated by
the grandson of the founder. All were started just before or just after WW
II. Last I heard, only one of the original proprietors was still alive.

The irony is that my mother and I had tried to talk my father into selling
off the dealership five years before he died. The retail property was
worth far more than any boat dealership could generate in sales and
profit, and his interest in the marina was practically a liquid asset.
After he died, the other owners of the marina bought us out at the first
partners' meeting, and we sold the store property in West Haven six months
later. The buyers of that parcel razed the boat store and warehouse and
put up a strip mall. Kind of sad.

My mom ended up doing what she and my dad talked about doing. She bought a
nice place in Palm Beach and lived there in the land of perpetual sunshine
for nearly another 20 years before she died.

Yes, I contemplated taking over the family business. But fortunately, that
thought passed in about 20 seconds.






Such history. I wonder, if the dad owned the business, what did all the partners
own?


The Debts:-)

But yeah John I also noticed the new spin about the father being the
"managing partner" which is usually code for lackey on some tiny
percentage of the "profits"; & as we all know the accounts are shot at
dawn if there is ever a "visible" profit:-)

Honestly he has to be given credit for front he just stands there &
lies!!!! If cornered as usual he just tells even bigger lies!!! Amazing
really that he has the brain activity to even breath unassisted.

K

Anyway Krause lie of the day is severely challenged by Gould's latest NG
spam, but Krause still takes the cake.

Here's where this liar works, the lowest of the low, a spruiker for a
union rip off, he works in the "PR" dept of a union, that about tells it all

PR Contacts

For media inquiries, please contact the individual listed below:

Harry Krause
ULLICO Inc.
(202) 682-7957



Here's some of Harry's lies for you, just to bring back old
memories:-)

But if I may?? before you read; take a look at these passages from an
article about the bent union rip off, who rip off other unionists,
(honour among .......???)

ULLICO
Union Pension-Owned Company Set to Lose $20-$30 Million
Its stock windfall from the bankrupt Global Crossing now gone,
Georgine, former head of the AFL-CIO's Bldg. &
Construction Trades Dept., blamed chief financial officer John Grelle for
the losses. Days later, Grelle resigned in protest, blasting Georgine for
not selling the company jet, which costs $3 million a year.

N.B. Now did you see that!!!!!??? Harry as you'll see below "claims"
his wife has a corporate jet!!!! He's making these stories up as the
jealous junior mail person in the PR dept!!!!

There was no indication if Grelle also called on Georgine and other union
boss directors of Ullico to return the more than $6 million they made in
inside deals of Ullico stock in 2000 and 2001. In the late 90s, Ullico was
able to buy Global Crossing stock at its initial public offering (IPO)
price. By 1999, a $7.6 million investment had mushroomed to $335 million.
After pricing its own stock at a set $25 per share, Ullico directors changed
the rules, setting a new price at the beginning of each year.

So these rip offs were raking it in at the expense of the workers in
many unions & I'll suggest that the fantasy boats that Harry claims are
HIS OWN are in fact the play things of the execs of the insurance CO, I
also suggest that's his only involvement is as the boat boy for his
union bosses!!!


Global
Crossing spiraled toward bankruptcy, and Ullico's stock took a tumble, the
Ullico directors who had bought their stock at $54 a share were given two
opportunities to sell it back, the first time for $146 a share, the second
time for $75. As Georgine and the other Ullico officials made $6.7 million
in profits, the union pension funds that own Ullico could not take advantage
of the same deal.

And clearly they have a very well practiced liar in the PR dept mail
room to help post out those bogus spin releases:-)

Harry Krause wrote:
The real ME wrote:

Harry,

That is a major accomplishment to unload all of your dad's inventory
in record time for "near full retail". You should be commended for
doing everything you can to minimize the negative impact on the other
marina's in the area. I am curious, since you only discounted the
items slightly, how did you get everyone to drive past all the other
marinas and boat stores, if you were just slightly discounting the
product.



D'oh. Perhaps you ought to enroll in a "reading for comprehension" program.

There were only a few "large" dealerships in New Haven County back then.
Most of the dealerships were NOT located at marinas, but were
free-standing stores, usually some distance from the water. My father's
main store was some miles from Long Island Sound, for example. It was on
the Boston Post Road, US Route 1, the main commercial route in those
days between New York and Boston. There was no need to get people to
drive by the store, since thousands upon thousands did that every day of
the week. If you were trailering your boat from New Haven to Milford,
for example, you'd just about *have* to drive by the store unless you
wanted to take a bunch of back roads. The Connecticut Turnpike did not
pull much local traffic off the Boston Post Road, because the CT was a
TOLL road back then.

He did not sell new boats and motors at the marina, just some
accessories and parts. As managing partner, he did allow owners to sell
their own boats at the marina, with or without a broker.

As I stated, he was "the" franchise dealer for the lines he sold. If you
wanted the products he sold, you either bought them from him or you
drove a considerable distance to find another dealer who handled them.
And there was no guarantee the distant dealer's price would be much
lower, if it was lower. There were a couple of boat lines my dad sold
that you'd have to drive several hundred miles to find a competitive
dealer.

For outboard boats, these were the days before "factory pre-rig," and
outdrives were just beginning to gain in popularity. While there were
factory suggested price sheets for outboards, I don't recall seeing any
for boats. Their prices were set by the dealers.

There. See. Now you know a little about how the boat business used to
be. Someday, you'll not be able to use that information to buy your
first boat.




Dumb de dumb ....

Just harvesting new lies don't mind me.

K

Anyway Krause lie of the day is severely challenged by Gould's latest NG
spam, but Krause still takes the cake.

Here's where this liar works, the lowest of the low, a spruiker for a
union rip off, he works in the "PR" dept of a union, that about tells it all

PR Contacts

For media inquiries, please contact the individual listed below:

Harry Krause
ULLICO Inc.
(202) 682-7957



Here's some of Harry's lies for you, just to bring back old
memories:-)

But if I may?? before you read; take a look at these passages from an
article about the bent union rip off, who rip off other unionists,
(honour among .......???)

ULLICO
Union Pension-Owned Company Set to Lose $20-$30 Million
Its stock windfall from the bankrupt Global Crossing now gone,
Georgine, former head of the AFL-CIO's Bldg. &
Construction Trades Dept., blamed chief financial officer John Grelle for
the losses. Days later, Grelle resigned in protest, blasting Georgine for
not selling the company jet, which costs $3 million a year.

N.B. Now did you see that!!!!!??? Harry as you'll see below "claims"
his wife has a corporate jet!!!! He's making these stories up as the
jealous junior mail person in the PR dept!!!!

There was no indication if Grelle also called on Georgine and other union
boss directors of Ullico to return the more than $6 million they made in
inside deals of Ullico stock in 2000 and 2001. In the late 90s, Ullico was
able to buy Global Crossing stock at its initial public offering (IPO)
price. By 1999, a $7.6 million investment had mushroomed to $335 million.
After pricing its own stock at a set $25 per share, Ullico directors changed
the rules, setting a new price at the beginning of each year.

So these rip offs were raking it in at the expense of the workers in
many unions & I'll suggest that the fantasy boats that Harry claims are
HIS OWN are in fact the play things of the execs of the insurance CO, I
also suggest that's his only involvement is as the boat boy for his
union bosses!!!


Global
Crossing spiraled toward bankruptcy, and Ullico's stock took a tumble, the
Ullico directors who had bought their stock at $54 a share were given two
opportunities to sell it back, the first time for $146 a share, the second
time for $75. As Georgine and the other Ullico officials made $6.7 million
in profits, the union pension funds that own Ullico could not take advantage
of the same deal.

And clearly they have a very well practiced liar in the PR dept mail
room to help post out those bogus spin releases:-)