Well let's see......
I've belonged to unions for my entire 32 year working life...
Was the longest serving treasurer in my local..
1979-1991
1993 1997
president 1997-1998 until we were combined with another union.
vice president of CMG location 1998-2001
treasurer CMG unit 2001-2003
What's your history?

Backyard Renegade wrote in message
Yeah, without Harry we will all be working 130 hours a week again, for
$1.25 per hour... AAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGG! At least that is what Harry
wants you to think. Don, you know nothing about unions beyond party
line and Harry is a liar. Stick to what you know, ooooops too late,
you are already considered by most here as just another political
whore for the left, no credibility, no respect..

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Well let's see......
I've belonged to unions for my entire 32 year working life...
Was the longest serving treasurer in my local..
1979-1991
1993 1997
president 1997-1998 until we were combined with another union.
vice president of CMG location 1998-2001
treasurer CMG unit 2001-2003
What's your history?


I was with laborers, carpenters, iron workers, electricians and (heavy
equipment) operators union members all day today on various institutional
and industrial construction jobs. It was below freezing all day with a
stiff wind. The jobs were mainly in the initial steel erection state,
although caissons, footers and foundations were still being trenched,
excavated, framed and poured.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for those union workers and the work
they do. They certainly earn every cent they make.

My problem is with the unions representing non skilled factory workers, such
as the Chrysler Motors floor sweepers making $25/hour, the same wage as the
construction laborers working in mud in freezing conditions while lifting
heavy loads in dangerous conditions.

Not all unions are bad. However I do have a problem with the industrial
(factory), retail and educational unions.

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 00:28:30 +0000, NOYB wrote:


"Despite his mixed record of success, Bush has at least tried to follow
through on the vast majority of his commitments. Most have been presented to
Congress as part of his annual budget or in the form of legislation."

I don't have figures for other Presidents, but I suspect GWB's numbers are
on the high side. He has had the advantage that his party has controlled
Congress for much of his administration.


You think Kerry would try to follow through on the vast majority of his
commitments? I doubt it...since he's not even sure what those commitments
are.

I'm not excited about Kerry, but have no reason to doubt his veracity.
However, since Iraq, I am definitely anti-Bush.

What it sounds like, is you had to belong to the union because of your own
skills didn't secure your job. You had to collectively hold the strong arm
with the gun to your employers head in order to get your demands met. The
union was your replacement for your own worth, self worth, it was your
protection. I have never worked for a union, never had the need. I performed
for my employers and met all required targets and have what is called
performance analysis regularly. My performance is measured, should I not
meet my targets or budgets then my rewards are not as comforting as when I
meet my objectives.
The union is simply a tool to use against your employer and maximize your
takings from your firm. You are right what you say about most labor unions
and educational unions, they are the worst and do the most damage.
Also, I was denied a job because I refused to join a union, I was press
mechanic at a printing press, keeping the machines running and repairing
them and worked for 30 consecutive days, this meant my turn for the union, I
asked not to, and was told I either joined or worked elsewhere, and this was
a big printing firm. The best thing that ever happened to me was to leave
that firm because of the union rules. Allowed me to finish another program
and on to bigger and better things.
Nope, I didn't need the union to protect me, my skills and work habits were
enough, I didn't need a gun or picket sign or bunch of rebels throwing rocks
through anyone's home windows or shutting down production anywhere because
of me. I get paid market wages, its all market driven, and the unions are
driving the market downward in a deadly spiral.






"Don White" wrote in message
...
Well let's see......
I've belonged to unions for my entire 32 year working life...
Was the longest serving treasurer in my local..
1979-1991
1993 1997
president 1997-1998 until we were combined with another union.
vice president of CMG location 1998-2001
treasurer CMG unit 2001-2003
What's your history?

Backyard Renegade wrote in message
Yeah, without Harry we will all be working 130 hours a week again, for
$1.25 per hour... AAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGG! At least that is what Harry
wants you to think. Don, you know nothing about unions beyond party
line and Harry is a liar. Stick to what you know, ooooops too late,
you are already considered by most here as just another political
whore for the left, no credibility, no respect..

Tuuk wrote:


The union is simply a tool to use against your employer and maximize your
takings from your firm.

The union is a group of workers who band together to help level the
playing field when negotiating with their employer over wages, hours and
working conditions.

United we stand; divided we fall. Works for countries, works for workers.

United we stand ???/ Come on harry,,, look what is happening to
manufacturing now,, jobs are vanishing left and right,, all because of your
"'United we stand""" theory.


Harry, you said

"""The union is a group of workers who band together to help level the
playing field when negotiating with their employer over wages, hours and
working conditions.''"

You think this was necessary? For these people to "band" together, to force
unreasonable remunerations, hours, working conditions, etc etc? You think
that is necessary? Why because your own self worth is nothing? So why should
the employer who has the most risk have to keep you hired on, costing
everyone in the firm money, because you cannot carry your own.
So you need the gun to the head leverage, all this does is drive your
product to far too expensive and knock you out of the competitive league.
I think your spinning here Harry,,,, Lets look at what else you said...

"""United we stand; divided we fall. Works for countries, works for
workers."""

Come on harry, you do not sound too united to me, all see you do is bash
your country's objectives to rid the world of terrorism and American and
Christian killers. Your objecting to your country's efforts to make the
world a more peaceful place, with less poverty and less disease.
Unless you were visited by three ghosts last night in your sleep, I figured
you were so much against Bush's agendas that you were ready to leave
America. Now your saying ""United we stand""" """Works for countrys, works
for workers""" Well, to get back on point,, there is a difference between
workers and unionized workers.
Non unionized workers are compensated based on their skills, performance,
where as unionized labor is compensated based on their collective, banded
together, strong arm, many times violent, fighting, (or you call it
negotiating) efforts.

See, me, I am paid for what I am worth,,, You harry ,,, not the same, I
think your remunerations are more like welfare, you get it, but you do not
earn it. Sure you are successful in your "negotiations" whether they are
violent negotiations or not. Because you threaten to shut the plant down
should you not get your demands,,, some negotiations,,, LOL,, Well, now you
managed to shut the country's manufacturing down. You unions are directly
responsible for today's economic uncompetitiveness.
When Henry Ford brought in the Army when that union rebelled, they should
have made a more stronger message.
Besides, I do not need a union leader to tell me when to work, when to have
break, when to have a ****, when to speak, when to eat, when to drink
another coffee, when to breath, when to push that button and not do this
job, or that job, only do my job, and nothing more, etc etc. I feel more
pride and self worth doing things my way. Remember, only 17% of U.S. is
unionized and only 28% of Canadian workers are unionized. So collectively
you strong arms have violently managed to chock the entire workforce.
Sorry, but it fits so well here harry,,,, looks like ya gotta give the old
coconut another shaking,,,,






"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Tuuk wrote:


The union is simply a tool to use against your employer and maximize
your
takings from your firm.

The union is a group of workers who band together to help level the
playing field when negotiating with their employer over wages, hours and
working conditions.

United we stand; divided we fall. Works for countries, works for workers.

Get it straight who you're replying to...
Jim_ _ mentioned the factory unions.

Tuuk wrote in message
...
What it sounds like, is you had to belong to the union because of your own
skills didn't secure your job. You had to collectively hold the strong arm
with the gun to your employers head in order to get your demands met. The
union was your replacement for your own worth, self worth, it was your
protection. I have never worked for a union, never had the need. I
performed
for my employers and met all required targets and have what is called
performance analysis regularly. My performance is measured, should I not
meet my targets or budgets then my rewards are not as comforting as when I
meet my objectives.
The union is simply a tool to use against your employer and maximize your
takings from your firm. You are right what you say about most labor unions
and educational unions, they are the worst and do the most damage.
Also, I was denied a job because I refused to join a union, I was press
mechanic at a printing press, keeping the machines running and repairing
them and worked for 30 consecutive days, this meant my turn for the union,
I
asked not to, and was told I either joined or worked elsewhere, and this
was
a big printing firm. The best thing that ever happened to me was to leave
that firm because of the union rules. Allowed me to finish another program
and on to bigger and better things.
Nope, I didn't need the union to protect me, my skills and work habits
were
enough, I didn't need a gun or picket sign or bunch of rebels throwing
rocks
through anyone's home windows or shutting down production anywhere because
of me. I get paid market wages, its all market driven, and the unions are
driving the market downward in a deadly spiral.






"Don White" wrote in message
...
Well let's see......
I've belonged to unions for my entire 32 year working life...
Was the longest serving treasurer in my local..
1979-1991
1993 1997
president 1997-1998 until we were combined with another union.
vice president of CMG location 1998-2001
treasurer CMG unit 2001-2003
What's your history?

Backyard Renegade wrote in message
Yeah, without Harry we will all be working 130 hours a week again, for
$1.25 per hour... AAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGG! At least that is what Harry
wants you to think. Don, you know nothing about unions beyond party
line and Harry is a liar. Stick to what you know, ooooops too late,
you are already considered by most here as just another political
whore for the left, no credibility, no respect..