That guy didn't do a very good job on his bottom painting..... ;-)


Great Pictures

I'm surprised the charts still indicate a channel if there isn't one. I was
also surprised at how the person in the boat (can't seen person #2) was
sailing into a nasty situation and not even looking around. Certainly the
beach and rocks, along with the very high possibility of shoal water, was
evident right in front of them? And to just sit there and not even be
concerned? Must've been VERY new boaters...

Brian


"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...
Depends. But since this is the South Tower of the Golden Gate bridge and
Baker Beach, the ocean will make it into very small pieces. They probably
read the chart and saw the South Channel designation and used it. There
is
no South Channel and not for a lot of years. You can get through if lucky
and a calm day. They should of gone through the middle of the gate, using
the commercial ship channel. Still can get rough but lots more water
underneath and the waves do not break normally. And lately the seas have
been big swells. 10'-15'ers.
Bill

"Pierre" wrote in message
. ..
Do you have to retreive that boat, or can the owners just leave it there?

Must be expensive to retreive

?




"Brian D" wrote in message
...

I like how the fool in the boat is sitting there like he's sipping tea
while
a big breaker builds up behind him. In the latter photos, you can even
see
through the shallows and see the shore rocks looming in the foreground.
This guy never read Darwin, but should've... waste of a nice little
boat
tho'

Brian D




"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:38:03 -0400, P.Fritz wrote:


What the hell were they thinking?

Uh, my guess is that they weren't. ;-)

If you sail very near the rocks it is deep enough most of the time. It is
actually about 5 Fathom on the charts. NOAA chart 18645 I actually use
Waterproof Chart #84 which is the reproduction of the NOAA chart. There is
deep water on both sides of the South Tower but the swell comes in on that
side. The surfers at Fort Point (under the south side of the bridge) are
there most of the time. The problem at the gate is the 2 banks outside the
channel. the North one is the Fourfathom bank and we crab there on nice
days in about 70-90 feet of water. On bad days we do not go out. As the
swell can be breaking on the bank.

"Brian D" wrote in message
...
I'm surprised the charts still indicate a channel if there isn't one. I
was
also surprised at how the person in the boat (can't seen person #2) was
sailing into a nasty situation and not even looking around. Certainly the
beach and rocks, along with the very high possibility of shoal water, was
evident right in front of them? And to just sit there and not even be
concerned? Must've been VERY new boaters...

Brian


"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...
Depends. But since this is the South Tower of the Golden Gate bridge
and
Baker Beach, the ocean will make it into very small pieces. They
probably
read the chart and saw the South Channel designation and used it. There
is
no South Channel and not for a lot of years. You can get through if
lucky
and a calm day. They should of gone through the middle of the gate,
using
the commercial ship channel. Still can get rough but lots more water
underneath and the waves do not break normally. And lately the seas
have
been big swells. 10'-15'ers.
Bill

"Pierre" wrote in message
. ..
Do you have to retreive that boat, or can the owners just leave it
there?

Must be expensive to retreive

?




"Brian D" wrote in message
...

I like how the fool in the boat is sitting there like he's sipping
tea
while
a big breaker builds up behind him. In the latter photos, you can
even
see
through the shallows and see the shore rocks looming in the
foreground.
This guy never read Darwin, but should've... waste of a nice little
boat
tho'

Brian D




"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:38:03 -0400, P.Fritz wrote:


What the hell were they thinking?

Uh, my guess is that they weren't. ;-)

Millions of dollars of "Homeland Security" money floating and flying around
and getting rescued by surfers= priceless!

"Gary" wrote in message
news

That guy didn't do a very good job on his bottom painting..... ;-)


Great Pictures

Why is there breakers and big waves if the water is 4 to 5 fathoms deep?
Normally, breakers from normal (or even large) swells don't roll over until
the water is closer to 20' deep or so. The way the water was rushing out in
front of the breaker in the sequence of photos, it looked very shallow. Any
clue why this is happening in that spot?

Brian



"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...
If you sail very near the rocks it is deep enough most of the time. It is
actually about 5 Fathom on the charts. NOAA chart 18645 I actually use
Waterproof Chart #84 which is the reproduction of the NOAA chart. There
is
deep water on both sides of the South Tower but the swell comes in on that
side. The surfers at Fort Point (under the south side of the bridge) are
there most of the time. The problem at the gate is the 2 banks outside
the
channel. the North one is the Fourfathom bank and we crab there on nice
days in about 70-90 feet of water. On bad days we do not go out. As the
swell can be breaking on the bank.

"Brian D" wrote in message
...
I'm surprised the charts still indicate a channel if there isn't one. I
was
also surprised at how the person in the boat (can't seen person #2) was
sailing into a nasty situation and not even looking around. Certainly
the
beach and rocks, along with the very high possibility of shoal water, was
evident right in front of them? And to just sit there and not even be
concerned? Must've been VERY new boaters...

Brian


"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...
Depends. But since this is the South Tower of the Golden Gate bridge
and
Baker Beach, the ocean will make it into very small pieces. They
probably
read the chart and saw the South Channel designation and used it.
There
is
no South Channel and not for a lot of years. You can get through if
lucky
and a calm day. They should of gone through the middle of the gate,
using
the commercial ship channel. Still can get rough but lots more water
underneath and the waves do not break normally. And lately the seas
have
been big swells. 10'-15'ers.
Bill

"Pierre" wrote in message
. ..
Do you have to retreive that boat, or can the owners just leave it
there?

Must be expensive to retreive

?




"Brian D" wrote in message
...

I like how the fool in the boat is sitting there like he's sipping
tea
while
a big breaker builds up behind him. In the latter photos, you can
even
see
through the shallows and see the shore rocks looming in the
foreground.
This guy never read Darwin, but should've... waste of a nice little
boat
tho'

Brian D




"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:38:03 -0400, P.Fritz wrote:


What the hell were they thinking?

Uh, my guess is that they weren't. ;-)

My guess is from a ship passing by.


"Brian D" wrote in message
...

Why is there breakers and big waves if the water is 4 to 5 fathoms deep?
Normally, breakers from normal (or even large) swells don't roll over
until the water is closer to 20' deep or so. The way the water was
rushing out in front of the breaker in the sequence of photos, it looked
very shallow. Any clue why this is happening in that spot?

Brian



"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...
If you sail very near the rocks it is deep enough most of the time. It
is
actually about 5 Fathom on the charts. NOAA chart 18645 I actually use
Waterproof Chart #84 which is the reproduction of the NOAA chart. There
is
deep water on both sides of the South Tower but the swell comes in on
that
side. The surfers at Fort Point (under the south side of the bridge) are
there most of the time. The problem at the gate is the 2 banks outside
the
channel. the North one is the Fourfathom bank and we crab there on nice
days in about 70-90 feet of water. On bad days we do not go out. As the
swell can be breaking on the bank.

"Brian D" wrote in message
...
I'm surprised the charts still indicate a channel if there isn't one. I
was
also surprised at how the person in the boat (can't seen person #2) was
sailing into a nasty situation and not even looking around. Certainly
the
beach and rocks, along with the very high possibility of shoal water,
was
evident right in front of them? And to just sit there and not even be
concerned? Must've been VERY new boaters...

Brian


"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...
Depends. But since this is the South Tower of the Golden Gate bridge
and
Baker Beach, the ocean will make it into very small pieces. They
probably
read the chart and saw the South Channel designation and used it.
There
is
no South Channel and not for a lot of years. You can get through if
lucky
and a calm day. They should of gone through the middle of the gate,
using
the commercial ship channel. Still can get rough but lots more water
underneath and the waves do not break normally. And lately the seas
have
been big swells. 10'-15'ers.
Bill

"Pierre" wrote in message
. ..
Do you have to retreive that boat, or can the owners just leave it
there?

Must be expensive to retreive

?




"Brian D" wrote in message
...

I like how the fool in the boat is sitting there like he's sipping
tea
while
a big breaker builds up behind him. In the latter photos, you can
even
see
through the shallows and see the shore rocks looming in the
foreground.
This guy never read Darwin, but should've... waste of a nice little
boat
tho'

Brian D




"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:38:03 -0400, P.Fritz wrote:


What the hell were they thinking?

Uh, my guess is that they weren't. ;-)

On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 12:39:32 -0700, "Brian D"
wrote:

Why is there breakers and big waves if the water is 4 to 5 fathoms deep?
Normally, breakers from normal (or even large) swells don't roll over until
the water is closer to 20' deep or so. The way the water was rushing out in
front of the breaker in the sequence of photos, it looked very shallow. Any
clue why this is happening in that spot?

Probably because it is a tide rip as much as it is a breaker. I have
seen very disturbing looking breakers in 60 feet of water near Machias
Seal Island, where the tide rushing in and out of the Bay of Fundy.

After double-checking location, we sailed right through them (in a
J35, not a 22-footer). It was no problem--actually quite entertaining.

It has never, even fleetingly, occured to me to go south of that tower
on the GG bridge, however.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


"Nuke the gay whales for Jesus" -- anon T-shirt

They are probably 14-20' swells and there is a big bar outside the
"channel". That area has ate a lot of ships over the years. Under the
middle of the Gate it is deep. 33+ fathoms. But on both sides of the
channel there are big bars. The slowing water from the bay carrying silt
drops it. The North bar is easier to watch from the Marin Headlands and
when big seas are happening, it is great to go out and watch the breakers on
the bar. And the average depth of the bar is 4-5 fathoms.
Bill

"Brian D" wrote in message
...

Why is there breakers and big waves if the water is 4 to 5 fathoms deep?
Normally, breakers from normal (or even large) swells don't roll over
until
the water is closer to 20' deep or so. The way the water was rushing out
in
front of the breaker in the sequence of photos, it looked very shallow.
Any
clue why this is happening in that spot?

Brian



"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...
If you sail very near the rocks it is deep enough most of the time. It
is
actually about 5 Fathom on the charts. NOAA chart 18645 I actually use
Waterproof Chart #84 which is the reproduction of the NOAA chart. There
is
deep water on both sides of the South Tower but the swell comes in on
that
side. The surfers at Fort Point (under the south side of the bridge)
are
there most of the time. The problem at the gate is the 2 banks outside
the
channel. the North one is the Fourfathom bank and we crab there on nice
days in about 70-90 feet of water. On bad days we do not go out. As
the
swell can be breaking on the bank.

"Brian D" wrote in message
...
I'm surprised the charts still indicate a channel if there isn't one.
I
was
also surprised at how the person in the boat (can't seen person #2) was
sailing into a nasty situation and not even looking around. Certainly
the
beach and rocks, along with the very high possibility of shoal water,
was
evident right in front of them? And to just sit there and not even be
concerned? Must've been VERY new boaters...

Brian


"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...
Depends. But since this is the South Tower of the Golden Gate bridge
and
Baker Beach, the ocean will make it into very small pieces. They
probably
read the chart and saw the South Channel designation and used it.
There
is
no South Channel and not for a lot of years. You can get through if
lucky
and a calm day. They should of gone through the middle of the gate,
using
the commercial ship channel. Still can get rough but lots more water
underneath and the waves do not break normally. And lately the seas
have
been big swells. 10'-15'ers.
Bill

"Pierre" wrote in message
. ..
Do you have to retreive that boat, or can the owners just leave it
there?

Must be expensive to retreive

?




"Brian D" wrote in message
...

I like how the fool in the boat is sitting there like he's sipping
tea
while
a big breaker builds up behind him. In the latter photos, you can
even
see
through the shallows and see the shore rocks looming in the
foreground.
This guy never read Darwin, but should've... waste of a nice
little
boat
tho'

Brian D




"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:38:03 -0400, P.Fritz wrote:


What the hell were they thinking?

Uh, my guess is that they weren't. ;-)

Me either, I have looked at the colors trying to find the right counter
current but that was under the middle of the bridge. Once in I would play
the normal game of close to the St. Francis when the current was foul but it
never crossed my mind to not be in the ship channel coming under the GG.
And that was on a CT-41. On the other hand, I love sailing those Santanna
22's and was surprised that it didnt surf. It might have been the skipper
but why would anyone sail where people are surfing?

Scott


"Rodney Myrvaagnes" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 12:39:32 -0700, "Brian D"
wrote:

Why is there breakers and big waves if the water is 4 to 5 fathoms deep?
Normally, breakers from normal (or even large) swells don't roll over
until
the water is closer to 20' deep or so. The way the water was rushing out
in
front of the breaker in the sequence of photos, it looked very shallow.
Any
clue why this is happening in that spot?

Probably because it is a tide rip as much as it is a breaker. I have
seen very disturbing looking breakers in 60 feet of water near Machias
Seal Island, where the tide rushing in and out of the Bay of Fundy.

After double-checking location, we sailed right through them (in a
J35, not a 22-footer). It was no problem--actually quite entertaining.

It has never, even fleetingly, occured to me to go south of that tower
on the GG bridge, however.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC
J36 Gjo/a


"Nuke the gay whales for Jesus" -- anon T-shirt

Being a Gulf of Mexico sailor, this entire sequence of pictures puzzled
me ( I saw 113 pics in the sequence). Was this an isolated wave or was
the camera angle so odd that it didnt capture other waves? After the
initial capsize, it looked as if if maybe there was another wave and
then NO MORE. Huh?
Was this a tidal bore coming into the bay so it produced one or two
isolated waves? In the entire sequence of pics, there were no more
waves of any size at all. What was this?