On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 18:43:00 +1000, "K. Smith" wrote:

John H wrote:
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 07:54:45 +1000, "K. Smith" wrote:


The OT political

arguments have taken over rec.boats and any kind of actual boating post is
desperately needed. If you check out the subscription rate for boating
magazines you will see that many many recreational boaters find these
articles enjoyable. I do not believe this articles or Chuck's other Boat
"reviews" would ever be considered SPAM. SPAM is " Unsolicited "junk"
e-mail sent to large numbers of people to promote products or services.
Also refers to inappropriate promotional or commercial postings to
discussion groups or bulletin boards."

Again your interpretation(s) are yours & that's fine, I hold a
different view. As for you comments about OT posts again this particular
poster is one of the major OT posters in this NG, always starting or
promoting political posts, so to now give him credit because he posts an
ad promoting a boat??? Again that's your view.



I get a whole hell of a lot of spam, and Gould's article wouldn't fall into that
category, IMO.

As you say John in your opinion, which I respect; clearly I hold a
different opinion.


I would call Gould's article an 'infomercial'. It provides information (granted
it's only one-sided) about a product. In this particular case, a trip to the web
site would have provided about as much information, along with a virtual tour of
the boat.

So it's an ad?? we're pretty close to agreement I would say the real
difference is you don't think Gould is a spamming grub & I do, again
we're both entitled to our view, although on many occasions I've caught
him BS'ting on the facts, fuel usage hull constructions etc & always
explained why.


So far, I don't put Gould in the same category as, "Reply-To: "Vicky Claude"
Subject: force V1C0DD1N, V1AAGRRA, C1AAL1S, S0MMA, \/ALLIUM, Z0LOFT, XANAA,
C0DE1NE AT L0W..."

Now *that's* spam!

My big question, after reading his post, was, "Does it run?" Gould didn't
address any of the running characteristics of the boat, so I assume it was just
a walk-through at the dealership.

No it was a fluff piece so he can pretend he's actually part of the
marketing of big ticket boats, why?? who knows?? he says he's made
enough over the years selling used cars to the unsuspecting & other
people's boats for unearned percentages:-) but whatever the reason it's
spam & is not allowed in this no spam NG.

Even if you like it John, even if you, Paul otm or humphrey B bear &
other Gould, Krause supporters all like it, that's just tough. I suggest
you go to the website because Gould's endless spam shouldn't be posted
here, anymore than the same person starts & continues endless OT
political posts.

Beware he's a full on Bs'ter of the first order he can worm around
anything till he gets his own way or "makes the sale".

However, it *was* boating related, was much more than a 'For Sale' ad, and did
provide some information. [Who would have known that a Gaggenau
barbecue grill will prepare steak, ribs, chicken, or fresh seafood?]

Clearly not Gould I'd suggest but rarely does he know much of anything
boating, even a BBQ when it's on a boat:-).


You questioned the truthfulness of the article and his deceit. Did you find
anything in the article that was false?

False as in a lie?? well it's just the usual sales pitch with the
important stuff missing, NB the usual unsupported claims of quality etc
if you're really looking for the BS then have a good check of the "hand
laid hull" claim this is classic Gould territory, the last time he
claimed that one it was proven to be as accurate as his fuel consumption
claims, that is it's just marketing BS. As for the claims of quality
have a look around & you'll see the older of this mark being sold as
what they are, just another Taiwanese elcheapo import.


Made in Taiwan? I don't recall seeing that in Gould's article (probably 'cause
it wasn't mentioned?) I, personally, think that is important information that
should have been included in the write-up. Of course, it may be that unless an
article announces the boat is made in the USA, one should assume it's made in
another country.

As for Gould himself posting this spam??? of course it's just another
stunning example of his socialist lefty dumbo characterless hypocrisy.
Remember John he regularly starts OT threads to lecture the NG about the
evils of shopping for cheap poorly made imports at walmart & even worse,
much worse:-) buying a Chinese toaster!!!! Honestly John how many
toasters do you think it might take to equal the foreign exchange
implications of just one of these Chinese (relax I know it's Taiwan but
it depends on how you look at it & besides I wanted to say "junk":-))
junks & I use the term in it's western form:-). Yet when there's an
advantage to the Gould spammer he seems to be a typical uneducated
simpleton lefty & doesn't live by the standards he happily demands of
others:-) He has a Chinese boat himself & when he replaced the motor did
he buy local??? no of course not he bought another imported engine, in
other words if there's an advantage to Gould in anything then he does it
I suggest that's how he's lived his life, it seems unchallenged till now
that is:-) you're defending a Krause supporting creep.

Before you get ****ed (which I hope you don't find necessary) please realize
that I appreciate your posts showing the falsehoods associated with some of the
things said about boat/engine articles. You often provide factual information
enjoyable to read. Please continue doing so.


Errr .... um ... thanks for the permission John???? but I will invited
or not:-) equally if nobody says anything about Gould's spam he really
ups the load, this way he will pull his huge bald head in for a while,
watch & see if I'm not right:-) Jim H is dead right in his posts above,
nobody has any trouble seeing them as good examples of spam, this is
just more of Gould's spam.


Not 'permission', but a request. "Please continue doing so."

OTOH, attacks on Gould when he posts one of these 'informercials' does no one
any good.

But hey John I feel better:-) indeed when there isn't some idiot dealer
promoting Ficht renamed as E-Tec this is a bit of fun, I'm not thanking
Gould for his spam of course just saying I don't mind doing it as I
said, as a NG community service:-)

Pointing out the Taiwanese origin of this boat was a NG community service.


Your personal attacks of Harry, however deserved, detract from your on-topic
posts and do nothing but start flame wars, as opposed to a discussion of the
topic at hand. My advice -- Use a separate thread for your off-topic posts.

Well there ya go we do agree on one thing & the lying idiot flies with
Gould, do you have the saying there "you fly with the crows you get shot
with the crows"?????


Well, similar..."You can't soar with the eagles if you're mired in eagle ****."
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."