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Wh invented the hose clamp?
While working on the engine, I was once again impressed by the Elegant
Simplicity of the lowly hose clamp. They just work. Anybody know who invented them? Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 - MANY hose clamps! |
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Whoever he is, I'd like to be the recipient of just the interest on his bank
account. "Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message ... While working on the engine, I was once again impressed by the Elegant Simplicity of the lowly hose clamp. They just work. Anybody know who invented them? Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 - MANY hose clamps! |
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Adolph Hose
"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message ... While working on the engine, I was once again impressed by the Elegant Simplicity of the lowly hose clamp. They just work. Anybody know who invented them? Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 - MANY hose clamps! |
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Bill Sc wrote:
Adolph Hose No, it was Rudolph Clampett... you know, Jed's brother... DSK |
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"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message ... While working on the engine, I was once again impressed by the Elegant Simplicity of the lowly hose clamp. They just work. Anybody know who invented them? Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 - MANY hose clamps! Knut Edwin Bergstrom Stockholm Sweden Patent Date Oct 16 1951 #2,571,659 |
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Knut Edwin Bergstrom
Stockholm Sweden Patent Date Oct 16 1951 #2,571,659 That cant be right, My buddy has a 1936 Chevy and it has some on it. :)~ |
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:24:07 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote: While working on the engine, I was once again impressed by the Elegant Simplicity of the lowly hose clamp. They just work. Anybody know who invented them? Which kind - the spring steel or grooved worm drive? Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT ---------- "Fisherman are born honest, but they get over it." - Ed Zern |
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:24:07 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote: While working on the engine, I was once again impressed by the Elegant Simplicity of the lowly hose clamp. They just work. Anybody know who invented them? Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 - MANY hose clamps! I'd probably give the credit to Al Gore. He invented most everything else, didn't he? John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:33:13 -0500, John H
wrote: On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:24:07 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter" wrote: While working on the engine, I was once again impressed by the Elegant Simplicity of the lowly hose clamp. They just work. Anybody know who invented them? Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 - MANY hose clamps! I'd probably give the credit to Al Gore. He invented most everything else, didn't he? Nah - just the Internet and Erich Segal. :) Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT ---------- "Fisherman are born honest, but they get over it." - Ed Zern |
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"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message ...
While working on the engine, I was once again impressed by the Elegant Simplicity of the lowly hose clamp. They just work. Anybody know who invented them? Al Gore |
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Maybe some hoser?
Lloyd Sumpter wrote: While working on the engine, I was once again impressed by the Elegant Simplicity of the lowly hose clamp. They just work. Anybody know who invented them? Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 - MANY hose clamps! |
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John H wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:24:07 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter" wrote: While working on the engine, I was once again impressed by the Elegant Simplicity of the lowly hose clamp. They just work. Anybody know who invented them? Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 - MANY hose clamps! I'd probably give the credit to Al Gore. He invented most everything else, didn't he? John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! Please tell what Al Gore has claimed to invent. If you are thinking internet, then well, as usual, you are wrong. |
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"Joe" wrote in message .. .
"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message ... While working on the engine, I was once again impressed by the Elegant Simplicity of the lowly hose clamp. They just work. Anybody know who invented them? Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 - MANY hose clamps! Knut Edwin Bergstrom Stockholm Sweden Patent Date Oct 16 1951 #2,571,659 Uh, it depends on which TYPE of hose clamp. There are several, and several different patents. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:33:13 -0500, John H wrote: On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:24:07 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter" wrote: While working on the engine, I was once again impressed by the Elegant Simplicity of the lowly hose clamp. They just work. Anybody know who invented them? Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 - MANY hose clamps! I'd probably give the credit to Al Gore. He invented most everything else, didn't he? Nah - just the Internet and Erich Segal. :) Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT You righties are so blind that you don't understand, even after it's been beaten to death, that Al Gore NEVER said he invented the internet. |
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Archimedies!
Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:33:13 -0500, John H wrote: On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:24:07 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter" wrote: While working on the engine, I was once again impressed by the Elegant Simplicity of the lowly hose clamp. They just work. Anybody know who invented them? Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 - MANY hose clamps! I'd probably give the credit to Al Gore. He invented most everything else, didn't he? Nah - just the Internet and Erich Segal. :) Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT ---------- "Fisherman are born honest, but they get over it." - Ed Zern |
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:49:34 GMT, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:18:09 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:26:33 GMT, wrote: On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:51:01 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:33:13 -0500, John H wrote: On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:24:07 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter" wrote: While working on the engine, I was once again impressed by the Elegant Simplicity of the lowly hose clamp. They just work. Anybody know who invented them? Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 - MANY hose clamps! I'd probably give the credit to Al Gore. He invented most everything else, didn't he? Nah - just the Internet and Erich Segal. :) Later, Try reading http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.htm Try reading my reply to basskisser. I did. The article to which I posted a link says that "No Reasonable Person" could interpret what Gore actually said as a claim that he invented the internet. Are you a reasonable person? Oh yes I am more than reasonable. And, despite those who disagree, it is entirely reasonable to parse Al Gore's statement as taking credit for creating the Internet (please note that in this instance, I did not use invent). Creating and Inventing, while different words, have the same context - it's all about context as you well know. Taking the statement in context with the paragraph, Al Gore was clearly taking credit for initiating/creating the Internet - it can't be parsed any other way. However, in the interest of being fair, how would you parse that sentence - tell me how - give me an example. Don't point me to a website with somebody else's opinion - what is YOUR opinion - how would you explain what he said. I've given my reasoning - what's yours? And now, I return to building my new surf rod. ;) Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT ---------- "Fisherman are born honest, but they get over it." - Ed Zern |
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:06:19 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
In essence, the contributions of Cerf and Kahn were instigated by Al Gore according to Al Gore. Which, I have seen reported but do not have personal knowledge of, they deny. What Cerf & Kahn actually said about Al Go http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/13640.html |
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:06:52 -0500, thunder
wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:06:19 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: In essence, the contributions of Cerf and Kahn were instigated by Al Gore according to Al Gore. Which, I have seen reported but do not have personal knowledge of, they deny. What Cerf & Kahn actually said about Al Go http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/13640.html I stand corrected. Thanks. Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT ---------- "Fisherman are born honest, but they get over it." - Ed Zern |
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Short Wave Sportfishing,
WWW.Snoops.com disagrees with you. Please see http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.htm Paul "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 18 Feb 2004 05:12:01 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message . .. On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:33:13 -0500, John H wrote: On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:24:07 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter" wrote: While working on the engine, I was once again impressed by the Elegant Simplicity of the lowly hose clamp. They just work. Anybody know who invented them? Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 - MANY hose clamps! I'd probably give the credit to Al Gore. He invented most everything else, didn't he? Nah - just the Internet and Erich Segal. :) Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT You righties are so blind that you don't understand, even after it's been beaten to death, that Al Gore NEVER said he invented the internet. You have no evidence of my personal and/or political philosophy thus the "rightie" label is not only uncalled for, it is completely and totally inaccurate. On to your second comment: Al Gore said, and this is the exact quote: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet." Now read that anyway you want - it can be parsed several ways, but the claim is that HE - Al Gore - singlehandedly "INITIATED the CREATION of the Internet". Now, lets' examine two words here - Initated: "To introduce by a first act; to make a beginning with; to set afoot; to originate; to commence; to begin or enter upon." Invented: "To discover, as by study or inquiry; to find out; to devise; to contrive or produce for the first time; -- applied commonly to the discovery of some serviceable mode, instrument, or machine." Oh hell, let's examine one more word - Creation: "An original product of human invention or artistic imagination." One can reasonably argue that Initiated, Invented and Creation have relatively the same context - in short, to set in motion the creation of something; an idea, a concept, a manufacture of some sort. I'm sure you, being an astute and self-aware Protoctista, can understand how the original quote morphed into the popular electoral folk tale of "Al Gore Invented the Internet" because, parsed seven different ways from Sunday, that is exactly what he said whether he intended to or not. In essence, the contributions of Cerf and Kahn were instigated by Al Gore according to Al Gore. Which, I have seen reported but do not have personal knowledge of, they deny. Now, to give Al Gore some credit, he was the first Congressman to use a computer to distill facts and use mid/late-'70s technology to prioritize that which would be quantified with a comuter. So he was way ahead of the curve on that front. However, the context of his statement about "...initiating" the Internet morphed into popular lore as "invented" and that's the way it is. If you don't like it, then tough. Go do your knee jerking with somebody else - I'm not interested. Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT ---------- "Fisherman are born honest, but they get over it." - Ed Zern |
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:56:10 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing, WWW.Snoops.com disagrees with you. Please see http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.htm Fine - reasonable people can agree to disagree. My opinion is my opinion - just that. Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT ---------- "Fisherman are born honest, but they get over it." - Ed Zern |
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:56:10 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing, WWW.Snoops.com disagrees with you. Please see http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.htm Paul Snopes.com is using the fact that they know Al Gore did not invent the internet to justify what he said. The quote and the context is there for all to plainly see and a strict english parsing of it leads to the conclusion that Al Gore "created" the internet. If you take the statement at face value without any other information available, it's a reasonable to assume that Al Gore claimed to create the internet. It's only the fact that they know he didn't create the internet that they can look for an alternate meaning for what he said. Point of fact, he didn't claim to invent the internet. He claimed to take the initiative to create it. And that is what snopes.com is saying is false, that he didn't claim to "invent" the internet. Snopes.com says the words create and invent don't mean the same thing. Maybe not, but they are pretty close and can be used in the definitions of eachother. I.e., invent - to create something that hasn't existed before. To create something for the first time. Steve |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message
Try reading my reply to basskisser. I did. The article to which I posted a link says that "No Reasonable Person" could interpret what Gore actually said as a claim that he invented the internet. Are you a reasonable person? Oh yes I am more than reasonable. Again: Clearly, although Gore's phrasing was clumsy (and self-serving), he was not claiming that he "invented" the Internet (in the sense of having designed or implemented it), but that he was responsible for helping to create the environment (in an economic and legislative sense) that fostered the development of the Internet. Al Gore might not know nearly as much about the Internet and other technologies as his image would have us believe, and he certainly has been guilty of stretching (if not outright breaking) the truth before, but to believe that Gore seriously thought he could take credit for the "invention" of the Internet — in the sense offered by the media — is just silly. |
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:54:54 GMT, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 05:46:49 GMT, (Steven Shelikoff) wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:49:34 GMT, wrote: I did. The article to which I posted a link says that "No Reasonable Person" could interpret what Gore actually said as a claim that he invented the internet. Are you a reasonable person? The article you posted (snopes) is wrong in this case. Taking Gore's statement at face value, any reasonable person would interpret what Gore said as a claim that he invented the internet *if* they didn't know from other sources that he didn't. I believe they used the word "silly" to describe your position. And that's the opinion of that particular writer. But the only reason the writer could possible have that position is because they know from information other than his statement that his statement is false. The fact is that Al Gore claimed to take the initative to create the internet. We *know* that's a silly statement on his part. Steve |
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On 19 Feb 2004 04:14:24 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message . .. On 18 Feb 2004 05:12:01 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message . .. On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:33:13 -0500, John H wrote: On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:24:07 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter" wrote: While working on the engine, I was once again impressed by the Elegant Simplicity of the lowly hose clamp. They just work. Anybody know who invented them? Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 - MANY hose clamps! I'd probably give the credit to Al Gore. He invented most everything else, didn't he? Nah - just the Internet and Erich Segal. :) Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT You righties are so blind that you don't understand, even after it's been beaten to death, that Al Gore NEVER said he invented the internet. You have no evidence of my personal and/or political philosophy thus the "rightie" label is not only uncalled for, it is completely and totally inaccurate. On to your second comment: Al Gore said, and this is the exact quote: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet." Now read that anyway you want - it can be parsed several ways, but the claim is that HE - Al Gore - singlehandedly "INITIATED the CREATION of the Internet". Now, lets' examine two words here - Initated: "To introduce by a first act; to make a beginning with; to set afoot; to originate; to commence; to begin or enter upon." Invented: "To discover, as by study or inquiry; to find out; to devise; to contrive or produce for the first time; -- applied commonly to the discovery of some serviceable mode, instrument, or machine." Oh hell, let's examine one more word - Creation: "An original product of human invention or artistic imagination." One can reasonably argue that Initiated, Invented and Creation have relatively the same context - in short, to set in motion the creation of something; an idea, a concept, a manufacture of some sort. I'm sure you, being an astute and self-aware Protoctista, can understand how the original quote morphed into the popular electoral folk tale of "Al Gore Invented the Internet" because, parsed seven different ways from Sunday, that is exactly what he said whether he intended to or not. In essence, the contributions of Cerf and Kahn were instigated by Al Gore according to Al Gore. Which, I have seen reported but do not have personal knowledge of, they deny. Now, to give Al Gore some credit, he was the first Congressman to use a computer to distill facts and use mid/late-'70s technology to prioritize that which would be quantified with a comuter. So he was way ahead of the curve on that front. However, the context of his statement about "...initiating" the Internet morphed into popular lore as "invented" and that's the way it is. If you don't like it, then tough. Go do your knee jerking with somebody else - I'm not interested. Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT ---------- "Fisherman are born honest, but they get over it." - Ed Zern You analogy is flawed beyond belief. It's one of the worst cases of spin I've ever seen. "Initiated the creating of" is no where near "I invented". Someone could easily initiate someone else, as opposed to "I". basskisser, you are arguing *way* out of your league. Stick with saying, "I agree with what Harry said." John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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Tom,
I agree that we should all be reasonable and polite. I have a hard time understanding why so many what to be rude and unreasonable. How can anyone expect to change someone's opinion by first alienating them. Politeness is the grease of civilization. I don't have a problem when someone else's opinion differs from mine, others can't seem to accept this. Paul "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:56:10 -0500, "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing, WWW.Snoops.com disagrees with you. Please see http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.htm Fine - reasonable people can agree to disagree. My opinion is my opinion - just that. Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT ---------- "Fisherman are born honest, but they get over it." - Ed Zern |
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:33:26 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote: Tom, I agree that we should all be reasonable and polite. I have a hard time understanding why so many what to be rude and unreasonable. How can anyone expect to change someone's opinion by first alienating them. Politeness is the grease of civilization. I don't have a problem when someone else's opinion differs from mine, others can't seem to accept this. Paul 10-4. :) Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT ---------- "Fisherman are born honest, but they get over it." - Ed Zern |
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E. Clampus Vitas?
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 03:11:37 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote: E. Clampus Vitas? Wiley E. Coyote? Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT ---------- "Fisherman are born honest, but they get over it." - Ed Zern |
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John H wrote in message . ..
On 19 Feb 2004 04:14:24 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message . .. On 18 Feb 2004 05:12:01 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message . .. On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:33:13 -0500, John H wrote: On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:24:07 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter" wrote: While working on the engine, I was once again impressed by the Elegant Simplicity of the lowly hose clamp. They just work. Anybody know who invented them? Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 - MANY hose clamps! I'd probably give the credit to Al Gore. He invented most everything else, didn't he? Nah - just the Internet and Erich Segal. :) Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT You righties are so blind that you don't understand, even after it's been beaten to death, that Al Gore NEVER said he invented the internet. You have no evidence of my personal and/or political philosophy thus the "rightie" label is not only uncalled for, it is completely and totally inaccurate. On to your second comment: Al Gore said, and this is the exact quote: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet." Now read that anyway you want - it can be parsed several ways, but the claim is that HE - Al Gore - singlehandedly "INITIATED the CREATION of the Internet". Now, lets' examine two words here - Initated: "To introduce by a first act; to make a beginning with; to set afoot; to originate; to commence; to begin or enter upon." Invented: "To discover, as by study or inquiry; to find out; to devise; to contrive or produce for the first time; -- applied commonly to the discovery of some serviceable mode, instrument, or machine." Oh hell, let's examine one more word - Creation: "An original product of human invention or artistic imagination." One can reasonably argue that Initiated, Invented and Creation have relatively the same context - in short, to set in motion the creation of something; an idea, a concept, a manufacture of some sort. I'm sure you, being an astute and self-aware Protoctista, can understand how the original quote morphed into the popular electoral folk tale of "Al Gore Invented the Internet" because, parsed seven different ways from Sunday, that is exactly what he said whether he intended to or not. In essence, the contributions of Cerf and Kahn were instigated by Al Gore according to Al Gore. Which, I have seen reported but do not have personal knowledge of, they deny. Now, to give Al Gore some credit, he was the first Congressman to use a computer to distill facts and use mid/late-'70s technology to prioritize that which would be quantified with a comuter. So he was way ahead of the curve on that front. However, the context of his statement about "...initiating" the Internet morphed into popular lore as "invented" and that's the way it is. If you don't like it, then tough. Go do your knee jerking with somebody else - I'm not interested. Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT ---------- "Fisherman are born honest, but they get over it." - Ed Zern You analogy is flawed beyond belief. It's one of the worst cases of spin I've ever seen. "Initiated the creating of" is no where near "I invented". Someone could easily initiate someone else, as opposed to "I". basskisser, you are arguing *way* out of your league. Stick with saying, "I agree with what Harry said." John H And I suppose that is YOUR take on the issue? |
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basskisser wrote: basskisser, you are arguing *way* out of your league. Stick with saying, "I agree with what Harry said." John H And I suppose that is YOUR take on the issue? Mine too. The democratic party needs more dumbasses like yourself. -- Charlie ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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Charles wrote in message ...
basskisser wrote: basskisser, you are arguing *way* out of your league. Stick with saying, "I agree with what Harry said." John H And I suppose that is YOUR take on the issue? Mine too. The democratic party needs more dumbasses like yourself. -- Charlie Haahaa!!! that is TOO funny!! I jest about John's take ON THE ISSUE, in which he has given nothing of substance, clearly, and you AGREE!!!! Then have the audacity to call me dumb!!!! |
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On 20 Feb 2004 04:20:07 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:
John H wrote in message . .. On 19 Feb 2004 04:14:24 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message . .. On 18 Feb 2004 05:12:01 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message . .. On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:33:13 -0500, John H wrote: On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:24:07 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter" wrote: While working on the engine, I was once again impressed by the Elegant Simplicity of the lowly hose clamp. They just work. Anybody know who invented them? Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 - MANY hose clamps! I'd probably give the credit to Al Gore. He invented most everything else, didn't he? Nah - just the Internet and Erich Segal. :) Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT You righties are so blind that you don't understand, even after it's been beaten to death, that Al Gore NEVER said he invented the internet. You have no evidence of my personal and/or political philosophy thus the "rightie" label is not only uncalled for, it is completely and totally inaccurate. On to your second comment: Al Gore said, and this is the exact quote: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet." Now read that anyway you want - it can be parsed several ways, but the claim is that HE - Al Gore - singlehandedly "INITIATED the CREATION of the Internet". Now, lets' examine two words here - Initated: "To introduce by a first act; to make a beginning with; to set afoot; to originate; to commence; to begin or enter upon." Invented: "To discover, as by study or inquiry; to find out; to devise; to contrive or produce for the first time; -- applied commonly to the discovery of some serviceable mode, instrument, or machine." Oh hell, let's examine one more word - Creation: "An original product of human invention or artistic imagination." One can reasonably argue that Initiated, Invented and Creation have relatively the same context - in short, to set in motion the creation of something; an idea, a concept, a manufacture of some sort. I'm sure you, being an astute and self-aware Protoctista, can understand how the original quote morphed into the popular electoral folk tale of "Al Gore Invented the Internet" because, parsed seven different ways from Sunday, that is exactly what he said whether he intended to or not. In essence, the contributions of Cerf and Kahn were instigated by Al Gore according to Al Gore. Which, I have seen reported but do not have personal knowledge of, they deny. Now, to give Al Gore some credit, he was the first Congressman to use a computer to distill facts and use mid/late-'70s technology to prioritize that which would be quantified with a comuter. So he was way ahead of the curve on that front. However, the context of his statement about "...initiating" the Internet morphed into popular lore as "invented" and that's the way it is. If you don't like it, then tough. Go do your knee jerking with somebody else - I'm not interested. Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT ---------- "Fisherman are born honest, but they get over it." - Ed Zern You analogy is flawed beyond belief. It's one of the worst cases of spin I've ever seen. "Initiated the creating of" is no where near "I invented". Someone could easily initiate someone else, as opposed to "I". basskisser, you are arguing *way* out of your league. Stick with saying, "I agree with what Harry said." John H And I suppose that is YOUR take on the issue? Is that what Harry would have said? Remember, always ask yourself, "WWHD?" John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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basskisser wrote: Haahaa!!! that is TOO funny!! I jest about John's take ON THE ISSUE, in which he has given nothing of substance, clearly, and you AGREE!!!! Then have the audacity to call me dumb!!!! No audacity involved at all. Just the observation that you're an idiot. You can't read with comprehension nor express yourself accurately. -- Charlie ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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Charles wrote in message ...
basskisser wrote: Haahaa!!! that is TOO funny!! I jest about John's take ON THE ISSUE, in which he has given nothing of substance, clearly, and you AGREE!!!! Then have the audacity to call me dumb!!!! No audacity involved at all. Just the observation that you're an idiot. You can't read with comprehension nor express yourself accurately. -- Charlie Again, I rest my case, and thank you for making it easy and obvious! |
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John H wrote in message
basskisser, you are arguing *way* out of your league. Stick with saying, "I agree with what Harry said." John H And I suppose that is YOUR take on the issue? Is that what Harry would have said? Remember, always ask yourself, "WWHD?" John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! Your stupidity is shining brightly, John. Have you gotten that nice lady's name yet? I'm really interested in talking with her. |
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