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The GOP hasn't started with the "Kerry is an asshole" campaign - yet.
There are a LOT of 1st hand anecdotal stories up here in the Boston Area that basicly have Kerry doing the "Do you know who I AM?" bit. Kinda like Martha Stewart stories.... You can bet they're gonna trot them out..... and juxtapose them the Bush's affableness. -W "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Majority of Americans Doubt Bush's WMD Claims: Support for President Bush Drops to 50 Percent in Latest Post-ABC News Poll By Richard Morin and Dana Milbank Washington Post Staff Writers Friday, February 13, 2004; 7:32 PM Most Americans believe President Bush either lied or deliberately exaggerated evidence that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction in order to justify war, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll. The survey results, which also show declining support for the war in Iraq and for Bush's leadership in general, indicate the public is increasingly questioning the president's truthfulness -- a concern for Bush's political advisers as his reelection bid gets underway. Barely half -- 52 percent -- now believe Bush is "honest and trustworthy," down seven points since late October and his worst showing since the question was first asked in March 1999. At his best, in the summer of 2002, Bush was viewed as honest by 71 percent. The survey found that while nearly seven in 10 think Bush "honestly believed" Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, 54 percent thought Bush exaggerated or lied about pre-war intelligence. Honesty and credibility have been central to Bush's appeal since the 2000 campaign, when he benefited from disgust over President Bill Clinton's lies about the Lewinsky affair and when Bush's campaign accused Al Gore of "saying one thing and doing another." But a number of factors, including the failure to find unconventional weapons in Iraq and the administration's underestimating of its Medicare prescription drug plan's costs appear to have undermined perceptions of his credibility. Bush's possible Democratic opponent, Sen. John Kerry (Mass.), has begun to talk about a "credibility gap." Even some Bush allies say they have been misled about Iraq's weapons, and the current Time magazine cover story asks: "Believe him or not -- does Bush have a credibility gap?" Questions about Bush's use of pre-war intelligence, in addition to feeding doubts about his honesty, have sent his job rating plummeting. Fifty percent of Americans approve of the job he is doing, the lowest level of his presidency in the Post-ABC poll and down 8 percentage points from January. The survey found that, for the first time since the war ended, fewer than half of Americans -- 48 percent -- believe the war was worth fighting, down 8 points from last month. Fifty percent said the war was not worth it. These doubts have affected Bush's reelection prospects. In a head-to-head matchup, Kerry beat Bush, 52 percent to 43 percent, among registered voters polled by the Post. Bush had more passionate support -- 85 percent of his backers said their support was strong while 62 percent of Kerry supporters said so -- and retains an advantage over Kerry in dealing with Iraq and the war on terrorism. But the Democrat was seen as better able to handle the economy and jobs, education and health care -- all top issues with voters this year. *The survey found a steep drop in public perceptions of Bush as a president and as an individual. In a sign that Bush has been set back by recent controversies over Iraqi weapons, his National Guard record and the federal budget, the number of Americans viewing him as a "strong leader" has slipped to 61 percent, down 6 points from December and the lowest level since the 2001 terrorist attacks.* Bush's rating on handling the economy stood at 44 percent, down 7 percentage points, with nearly half of the public saying they are worse off now than they were three years ago when Bush became president. Six in 10 disapprove of the job Bush is doing creating jobs. On education, 47 percent said they approve of the job Bush is doing, down 8 points from January. And his handling of health care also has fallen. *But the president's declining ratings related to Iraq were most striking. Approval of his handling of the situation there has fallen to 47 percent, down eight points in the past three weeks. About half of Americans -- 51 percent -- said they would prefer a report evaluating the accuracy and use of pre-war intelligence before the election, while 35 percent favor what Bush has ordered: a broader study of the overall accuracy of U.S. intelligence gathering operations that reports its findings after the election.* While 21 percent believe Bush lied about the threat posed by Iraq, a larger number -- 31 percent -- thought he exaggerated but did not lie. Indeed, six in 10 Americans believed, as Bush did, that Iraq had such weapons. Three in four Democrats said Bush either lied or exaggerated about what was known about Iraqi's weapons while an equally large majority of Republicans said the president did neither. Slightly more than half of all independents believed Bush had mislead the public about Iraqi's weapons cache. "I think he was believing what he wanted to believe," said one respondent, Ron Perholtz, an accountant from Jupiter, Fla. "I can't say he's dishonest. He heard what he wanted to hear. He's manipulatable by [Vice President] Cheney and others." Many respondents expressed regrets about the Iraq war. For example, Mike Richcreek, 52, of Warner Robbins, Ga., believes Bush neither exaggerated nor lied. "He went by what the intelligence given to him showed," Richcreek said. But, at the same time, Richcreek said he has begun to doubt the merits of the war. "I'm not sure now we should have gone to war in the first place," he said. "You think of all of our young kids getting killed. That's a problem. I'm glad I didn't have to make the decision." A total of 1,003 randomly selected adults were interviewed Feb 10 to 11. The margin of sampling error for the overall results is plus or minus 3 percentage points. Post assistant polling director Claudia Deane contributed to this report. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Clams Canino wrote: The GOP hasn't started with the "Kerry is an asshole" campaign - yet. There are a LOT of 1st hand anecdotal stories up here in the Boston Area that basicly have Kerry doing the "Do you know who I AM?" bit. Kinda like Martha Stewart stories.... You can bet they're gonna trot them out..... and juxtapose them the Bush's affableness. -W "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Majority of Americans Doubt Bush's WMD Claims: Support for President Bush Drops to 50 Percent in Latest Post-ABC News Poll By Richard Morin and Dana Milbank Washington Post Staff Writers Friday, February 13, 2004; 7:32 PM Most Americans believe President Bush either lied or deliberately exaggerated evidence that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction in order to justify war, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll. I am sure you are spot-on. It is going to be a dirty campaign. Fortunately, Bush's abysmal record as President will be the key issue, that and his "distortions" of the truth on real issues. I saw a great ad on TV tonight...a simulated polygraph test with the needles jumping as Bush's voiceover told one whopper after another. I am hopeful we will be rid of Bush this time next year, and that the country can heal its wounds and restore its reputation around the world. -- Email sent to is never read. Why harp on Bush's record and not on what the Democratic candidate is going to do to cut excess spending, turn around the econmy and not tax the population for the rest of the money the Congress that, which has increased the tax rate from about 20% in 1950 to maybe 45% now, taken? Kerry is another Bob Dole. career Senator, who is not executive material. Another **** poor choice of candidates year! Harry, why not as a party flak and activist, get some decent candidates for us to choose from? If we choose someone as incompetant as Kerry just to replace Bush, we may be in even bigger trouble than at present! You may be happy as your union brothers get more contracts and you keep overcharging for poor writing, but the rest of us get screwed! |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message I am sure you are spot-on. It is going to be a dirty campaign. Fortunately, Bush's abysmal record as President will be the key issue, that and his "distortions" of the truth on real issues. I saw a great ad on TV tonight...a simulated polygraph test with the needles jumping as Bush's voiceover told one whopper after another. I am hopeful we will be rid of Bush this time next year, and that the country can heal its wounds and restore its reputation around the world. -- Email sent to is never read. Why harp on Bush's record and not on what the Democratic candidate is going to do to cut excess spending, turn around the econmy and not tax the population for the rest of the money the Congress that, which has increased the tax rate from about 20% in 1950 to maybe 45% now, taken? Kerry is another Bob Dole. career Senator, who is not executive material. Another **** poor choice of candidates year! Harry, why not as a party flak and activist, get some decent candidates for us to choose from? If we choose someone as incompetant as Kerry just to replace Bush, we may be in even bigger trouble than at present! You may be happy as your union brothers get more contracts and you keep overcharging for poor writing, but the rest of us get screwed! Why harp on Bush's record? Because it is a sorrowful one, and reflects the fact that Bush may well be the dumbest POTUS in the history of the nation. Bush is a lying nincompoop, a failure, a fool, a divider, a destroyer. He's just plain awful. Affable, though, eh? Good fishing buddy. Bush's record *is* an issue. Kerry will talk about how he wants to cut spending, turn around the economy, and balance the budget. Since Bush is running up enormous deficits with nothing to show for it, those aspects of Kerry's campaign should interest you. Kerry needs to change the "wants to" to "will" in the above paragraph. The problem with all politicians is that they keep telling us what they are going to do, if you tell me you are going to do it you had better do it. Presidential candidates that are current or former Governors have a recent track record to judge their executive actions upon. Senators are just a bunch of people sitting around pondering their next begging for dollars speech. Bert |
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Clams Canino wrote:
The GOP hasn't started with the "Kerry is an asshole" campaign - yet. No, but they have started with the "Kerry is a traitor" and Kerry is a womanizer" and "Kerry is an extreme left-wing super-liberal pinko" campaigns, how far behind can that one be? There are a LOT of 1st hand anecdotal stories up here in the Boston Area that basicly have Kerry doing the "Do you know who I AM?" bit. Kinda like Martha Stewart stories.... You can bet they're gonna trot them out..... and juxtapose them the Bush's affableness. The funny thing is, that's no more true than any of the rest of it. GW Bush has always had a high sense of his own importance, even as a kid. I know a bunch of people who have met him. The ones who knew him 'way back when say he was an obnoxious drunk (or worse), not one says he is a genuinely nice guy in person. However he does have the ability to seem like a nice guy... apparently that's worth a heck of a lot. I have some relatives who live up near Boston, they are not Kerry fans (but hint that they still consider him better than Bush). DSK |
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"DSK" wrote in message ... No, but they have started with the "Kerry is a traitor" I think we covered that one. and Kerry is a womanizer Havn't heard THAT one - yet. and "Kerry is an extreme left-wing super-liberal pinko" Well when you sit on the left of Teddy - your left. how far behind can that one be? Beats me - I'm just hearing some of thelocal stories and can't believe they wont go national. -W |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message I am sure you are spot-on. It is going to be a dirty campaign. Fortunately, Bush's abysmal record as President will be the key issue, that and his "distortions" of the truth on real issues. I saw a great ad on TV tonight...a simulated polygraph test with the needles jumping as Bush's voiceover told one whopper after another. I am hopeful we will be rid of Bush this time next year, and that the country can heal its wounds and restore its reputation around the world. -- Email sent to is never read. Why harp on Bush's record and not on what the Democratic candidate is going to do to cut excess spending, turn around the econmy and not tax the population for the rest of the money the Congress that, which has increased the tax rate from about 20% in 1950 to maybe 45% now, taken? Kerry is another Bob Dole. career Senator, who is not executive material. Another **** poor choice of candidates year! Harry, why not as a party flak and activist, get some decent candidates for us to choose from? If we choose someone as incompetant as Kerry just to replace Bush, we may be in even bigger trouble than at present! You may be happy as your union brothers get more contracts and you keep overcharging for poor writing, but the rest of us get screwed! Why harp on Bush's record? Because it is a sorrowful one, and reflects the fact that Bush may well be the dumbest POTUS in the history of the nation. Bush is a lying nincompoop, a failure, a fool, a divider, a destroyer. He's just plain awful. Affable, though, eh? Good fishing buddy. Bush's record *is* an issue. Kerry will talk about how he wants to cut spending, turn around the economy, and balance the budget. Since Bush is running up enormous deficits with nothing to show for it, those aspects of Kerry's campaign should interest you. Kerry can say the Moon is Green cheese and Mar's is red because it is a large Gouda ball. Talk and spin can cost us a lot of money, as well as being cheap. No sound bites, I want to know what he is going to do to turn around the US! As to executive ability, he probably ranks above Gen. Clark and below all the other candidates. In is years in the Senate, I do not see any sign of leadership. What bills has he introduced under his name? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c3dhc2g=.ed314049fcc11638284defaa30143bf8@107 6692178.nulluser.com... Bert Robbins wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message I am sure you are spot-on. It is going to be a dirty campaign. Fortunately, Bush's abysmal record as President will be the key issue, that and his "distortions" of the truth on real issues. I saw a great ad on TV tonight...a simulated polygraph test with the needles jumping as Bush's voiceover told one whopper after another. I am hopeful we will be rid of Bush this time next year, and that the country can heal its wounds and restore its reputation around the world. -- Email sent to is never read. Why harp on Bush's record and not on what the Democratic candidate is going to do to cut excess spending, turn around the econmy and not tax the population for the rest of the money the Congress that, which has increased the tax rate from about 20% in 1950 to maybe 45% now, taken? Kerry is another Bob Dole. career Senator, who is not executive material. Another **** poor choice of candidates year! Harry, why not as a party flak and activist, get some decent candidates for us to choose from? If we choose someone as incompetant as Kerry just to replace Bush, we may be in even bigger trouble than at present! You may be happy as your union brothers get more contracts and you keep overcharging for poor writing, but the rest of us get screwed! Why harp on Bush's record? Because it is a sorrowful one, and reflects the fact that Bush may well be the dumbest POTUS in the history of the nation. Bush is a lying nincompoop, a failure, a fool, a divider, a destroyer. He's just plain awful. Affable, though, eh? Good fishing buddy. Bush's record *is* an issue. Kerry will talk about how he wants to cut spending, turn around the economy, and balance the budget. Since Bush is running up enormous deficits with nothing to show for it, those aspects of Kerry's campaign should interest you. Kerry needs to change the "wants to" to "will" in the above paragraph. The problem with all politicians is that they keep telling us what they are going to do, if you tell me you are going to do it you had better do it. Presidential candidates that are current or former Governors have a recent track record to judge their executive actions upon. Senators are just a bunch of people sitting around pondering their next begging for dollars speech. Bert Uh, Bush is in the White House and controls both houses of congress and the judiciary, and he still can't or won't deliver on his most important pre-appointment pledges. Back to my first question. What is Kerry going to do? Not Bush is bad, I will be better. Why will he be better? Forget the Harry spinmeister machine. What and Why are the questions that require answers!!! |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
... Majority of Americans Doubt Bush's WMD Claims: Even some Bush allies say they have been misled about Iraq's weapons, and the current Time magazine cover story asks: "Believe him or not -- does Bush have a credibility gap?" Questions about Bush's use of pre-war intelligence, Iraq never was a threat to the US. Not immediate nor long term. Iraq was only a threat to Israel. The US was more than likely duped into war but being mislead by Israel intelligence. They were the only ones to gain security by fighting their war with US troops and not paying a penny for it. |
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Clams Canino wrote:
Beats me - I'm just hearing some of thelocal stories and can't believe they wont go national. I'm sure there is some dirt on the man; nobody is perfect. but when a faked picture on the internet is trumpeted from rooftops as PROOF THAT KERRY IS A TRAITOR it makes me very dubious when I hear more slander against him. DSK |
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"DSK" wrote in message ... Clams Canino wrote: Beats me - I'm just hearing some of thelocal stories and can't believe they wont go national. I'm sure there is some dirt on the man; nobody is perfect. but when a faked picture on the internet is trumpeted from rooftops as PROOF THAT KERRY IS A TRAITOR it makes me very dubious when I hear more slander against him. He may very well *be* a traitor, but not for his anti-Vietnam War stance. If the following is true, the scumbag is back-dooring the President on foreign policy...and is possibly inciting Iran to organize increased resistance in Iraq. If true, his actions are treasonous because they're putting our troops in further danger. Hell, Kerry is practically *begging* Iran to help make our effort in Iraq fail...so that he can "build new friendships and overcome tensions with others". Read: February 12, 2004 No.661 Iranian News Agency Alleges Presidential Candidate John Kerry Sends Email Message According to an article published in the Tehran Times, the office of U.S. Senator and leading Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry sent an email message to the Mehr News Agency . The following is the article as it appeared in English : [1] "The office of Senator John Kerry, the frontrunner in the Democratic presidential primary in the U.S., sent the Mehr News Agency an email saying that Kerry will try to repair the damage done by the incumbent president if he wins the election. The text of the e-mail follows: "'As Americans who have lived and worked extensively overseas, we have personally witnessed the high regard with which people around the world have historically viewed the United States. Sadly, we are also painfully aware of how the actions and the attitudes demonstrated by the U.S. government over the past three years have threatened the goodwill earned by presidents of both parties over many decades and put many of our international relationships at risk. "'It is in the urgent interests of the people of the United States to restore our country's credibility in the eyes of the world. America needs the kind of leadership that will repair alliances with countries on every continent that have been so damaged in the past few years, as well as build new friendships and overcome tensions with others. "'We are convinced that John Kerry is the candidate best qualified to meet this challenge. Senator Kerry has the diplomatic skill and temperament as well as a lifetime of accomplishments in [the] field of international affairs. He believes that collaboration with other countries is crucial to efforts to win the war on terror and make America safer. "'An understanding of global affairs is essential in these times, and central to this campaign. Kerry has the experience and the understanding necessary to successfully restore the United States to its position of respect within the community of nations. He has the judgment and vision necessary to assure that the United States fulfills a leadership role in meeting the challenges we face throughout the world. "'The current Administration's policies of unilateralism and rejection of important international initiatives, from the Kyoto Accords to the Biological Weapons Convention, have alienated much of the world and squandered remarkable reserves of support after 9/11. This climate of hostility affects us all, but most especially impacts those who reside overseas. Disappointment with current U.S. leadership is widespread, extending not just to the corridors of power and politics, but to the man and woman on the street as well. "'We believe John Kerry is the Democrat who can go toe-to-toe against the current Administration on national security and defense issues. We also remain convinced that John Kerry has the best chance of beating the incumbent in November, and putting America on a new course that will lead to a safer, more secure, and more stable world.'" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- [1] Tehran Times (Iran), February 8, 2004. |
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 03:03:10 +0000, NOYB wrote:
He may very well *be* a traitor, but not for his anti-Vietnam War stance. If the following is true, the scumbag is back-dooring the President on foreign policy...and is possibly inciting Iran to organize increased resistance in Iraq. If true, his actions are treasonous because they're putting our troops in further danger. Hell, Kerry is practically *begging* Iran to help make our effort in Iraq fail...so that he can "build new friendships and overcome tensions with others". The mud is really starting to fly. This all sounds vaguely reminiscent of a previous time. http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile.html |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message news:1rcXb.2994
Uh, Bush is in the White House and controls both houses of congress and the judiciary, and he still can't or won't deliver on his most important pre-appointment pledges. Back to my first question. What is Kerry going to do? Not Bush is bad, I will be better. Why will he be better? Forget the Harry spinmeister machine. What and Why are the questions that require answers!!! Here are just SOME of Kerry's ideas: The first thing John Kerry will do is fight his heart out to bring back the three million jobs that have been lost under George W. Bush. He will fight to restore the jobs lost under Bush in the first 500 days of his administration. Kerry has proposed creating jobs through a new manufacturing jobs credit, by investing in new energy industries, restoring technology, and stopping layoffs in education. John Kerry believes that we need to invest in our schools instead of giving tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans. He has the courage to fight for our children's future every day. When it comes to education, George W. Bush has been the photo-op President. He stands next to children and teachers for a picture, but he doesn't stand with them when it comes to improving our public schools. By signing the No Child Left Behind Act and then breaking his promise by not giving schools the resources to help meet new standards, George Bush has undermined public education and left millions of children behind. As President, John Kerry will roll up his sleeves and get things done for America's schools. It's time to stop sending new mandates from Washington to school districts without providing the necessary resources needed to carry out those new rules. That's why John Kerry is proposing a new ‘Education Trust Fund' that means fully funding education, no questions asked Affordable Health Care for Every American John Kerry believes that your family's health is just as important as any politician's in Washington. That's why he will give every American access to the health care plan that the President and Members of Congress already have. John Kerry has the courage to take on special interests to get health care costs under control. He will stand up to big insurance and drug companies that impede progress. And John Kerry's health care plan takes care of our most vulnerable citizens by covering every child and preserving and strengthening Medicare. Cleaner and Greener America Throughout his career, John Kerry has been a top leader on the environment, fighting to clean up toxic waste sites, to keep our air and water clean, and to protect the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and other pristine wilderness areas. In addition to supporting important environmental initiatives, John Kerry has turned a spotlight on the Bush Administration's rollbacks of our hard-won environmental gains and their outdated, old-economy notions that our environment must be sacrificed in the name of short-term profit. John Kerry has the courage to take on the polluters that are trying to gut our clean air and water laws. John Kerry has the vision to create a new Manhattan Project to make America independent of Middle East oil in 10 years by creating alternative fuels like ethanol and making cars more efficient. We'll create half a million new jobs here at home at the same time – and we'll never have to send our sons and daughters to war for Mideast oil. Native Americans for Kerry John Kerry is the only candidate with a comprehensive agenda to improve the lives of Native Americans. Kerry will work every day to promote tribal sovereignty. While there are a number of successes in Indian Country, in these times of economic hardship – worsened by the policies of the Bush Administration – Kerry recognizes that the Federal government must partner with tribes to improve access to health care, provide more educational opportunities, and strengthen economic development efforts. Technology Plan to Create Jobs and Empower Americans to Lead in the 21st Century Technology has the potential to empower Americans by creating new high quality jobs, making America more competitive, and improving the quality of life. However, to realize this potential, we need a government committed to encouraging innovation and the widespread deployment of technology. We are currently in a jobless recovery and it is not clear where the next round of high-wage jobs will come from. More than 425,000 technology jobs have been lost on President Bush's watch. We need a President who is committed to bolstering technology and ensuring that growth in these industries leads to job creation, widespread economic growth and prosperity, and democratic involvement. Kerry's five point technology plan will: Encourage innovation to create high paying jobs. Assure America has cutting edge technology for the future. Make America more competitive by strengthening our markets. Train a workforce prepared for the jobs of the 21st century. Using technology to improve quality of life. |
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"thunder" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 03:03:10 +0000, NOYB wrote: He may very well *be* a traitor, but not for his anti-Vietnam War stance. If the following is true, the scumbag is back-dooring the President on foreign policy...and is possibly inciting Iran to organize increased resistance in Iraq. If true, his actions are treasonous because they're putting our troops in further danger. Hell, Kerry is practically *begging* Iran to help make our effort in Iraq fail...so that he can "build new friendships and overcome tensions with others". The mud is really starting to fly. This all sounds vaguely reminiscent of a previous time. http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile.html I hope you're taking the moral high road and are condemning *both* sides for acts that could be considered treasonous. If Reagan's people did as your links suggest, that's treason. If Kerry's office sent a letter to Iran and is effectively undermining the efforts of our soldiers, then he's a scumbag and should be shot. Charlie Rangel likes to say "nobody got killed killed when Clinton lied". Well, nobody got killed if Reagan delayed the hostage's return. Men *are* getting killed if Kerry is stoking the fires in Iran, and causing the Iranian intelligence agency to incite continued attacks on our troops. |
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:02:12 +0000, NOYB wrote:
I hope you're taking the moral high road and are condemning *both* sides for acts that could be considered treasonous. If Reagan's people did as your links suggest, that's treason. If Kerry's office sent a letter to Iran and is effectively undermining the efforts of our soldiers, then he's a scumbag and should be shot. I would agree, but reading the email from Kerry's *office*, it looks to me like pure unadulterated spam. I see no secret deals, no conspiracies, nothing but a piece of spam. Frankly, I don't think an email sent to a foreign news agency is the channel of choice for a potential treasonous act. |
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"thunder" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:02:12 +0000, NOYB wrote: I hope you're taking the moral high road and are condemning *both* sides for acts that could be considered treasonous. If Reagan's people did as your links suggest, that's treason. If Kerry's office sent a letter to Iran and is effectively undermining the efforts of our soldiers, then he's a scumbag and should be shot. I would agree, but reading the email from Kerry's *office*, it looks to me like pure unadulterated spam. I see no secret deals, no conspiracies, nothing but a piece of spam. Frankly, I don't think an email sent to a foreign news agency is the channel of choice for a potential treasonous act. It's Kerry's intent to rally the World community around his campaign...even at the cost of undermining our current President while troops are in harm's way. If you want to solicit the support of Americans, I can see how it's acceptable. But soliciting the World community, when it's clearly illegal for a foreign person or country to donate financially to a Presidential candidate, is just plain wrong. Perhaps Kerry thinks they'll illegally channel money into that campaign-finance-reform loophole that goes by the name of "moveon.org"? |
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:18:54 +0000, NOYB wrote:
It's Kerry's intent to rally the World community around his campaign...even at the cost of undermining our current President while troops are in harm's way. I think you are jumping the gun. We do not know Kerry's intent. Kerry didn't write the email. At most it was written by someone in his office. If you want to solicit the support of Americans, I can see how it's acceptable. But soliciting the World community, when it's clearly illegal for a foreign person or country to donate financially to a Presidential candidate, is just plain wrong. Perhaps Kerry thinks they'll illegally channel money into that campaign-finance-reform loophole that goes by the name of "moveon.org"? Personally, I thought the email was looking for American absentee votes, not money. ("As Americans who have lived and worked extensively overseas,") I could be wrong, perhaps we will here from the Kerry office about the email. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message . .. "Calif Bill" wrote in message news:1rcXb.2994 Uh, Bush is in the White House and controls both houses of congress and the judiciary, and he still can't or won't deliver on his most important pre-appointment pledges. Back to my first question. What is Kerry going to do? Not Bush is bad, I will be better. Why will he be better? Forget the Harry spinmeister machine. What and Why are the questions that require answers!!! Lots of fluff here. What are the concrete steps? Here are just SOME of Kerry's ideas: The first thing John Kerry will do is fight his heart out to bring back the three million jobs that have been lost under George W. Bush. He will fight to restore the jobs lost under Bush in the first 500 days of his administration. Kerry has proposed creating jobs through a new manufacturing jobs credit, by investing in new energy industries, restoring technology, and stopping layoffs in education. The millions of jobs were already dying under the last President. Federal Reserve did a lot to encourage the loss by not controlling a runaway stock market. Sort of a baby 1928. John Kerry believes that we need to invest in our schools instead of giving tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans. He has the courage to fight for our children's future every day. When it comes to education, George W. Bush has been the photo-op President. He stands next to children and teachers for a picture, but he doesn't stand with them when it comes to improving our public schools. By signing the No Child Left Behind Act and then breaking his promise by not giving schools the resources to help meet new standards, George Bush has undermined public education and left millions of children behind. As President, John Kerry will roll up his sleeves and get things done for America's schools. It's time to stop sending new mandates from Washington to school districts without providing the necessary resources needed to carry out those new rules. That's why John Kerry is proposing a new 'Education Trust Fund' that means fully funding education, no questions asked Fully fund what? We spend 50% of our state budget in California for education and we still get illiterates graduating. We need to require results from our educators! We have an education industry that sucks up BILLIONS with no accountability! Example. There used to be different levels of English depending on whether the student was College Prep, or not. Now the education industry requires all students take the same class. College bound, or learning disability, same class. So you get near total failure of results. Something like 50% of entering college students require remediation in English as well as other studies. You just going to throw money at the problem? We've done that for a bunch of years and has not worked yet. Do we just need more time and money? Affordable Health Care for Every American John Kerry believes that your family's health is just as important as any politician's in Washington. That's why he will give every American access to the health care plan that the President and Members of Congress already have. John Kerry has the courage to take on special interests to get health care costs under control. He will stand up to big insurance and drug companies that impede progress. And John Kerry's health care plan takes care of our most vulnerable citizens by covering every child and preserving and strengthening Medicare. And we are going to be all healthy and eat a Big Mac, and no health care. Only a small percentage of the people in this country do not have insurance through self paid or employer. You going to trash the whole system because of a small amount of people? And due to state welfare, all the children and adults get healthcare now. Cleaner and Greener America Throughout his career, John Kerry has been a top leader on the environment, fighting to clean up toxic waste sites, to keep our air and water clean, and to protect the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and other pristine wilderness areas. In addition to supporting important environmental initiatives, John Kerry has turned a spotlight on the Bush Administration's rollbacks of our hard-won environmental gains and their outdated, old-economy notions that our environment must be sacrificed in the name of short-term profit. John Kerry has the courage to take on the polluters that are trying to gut our clean air and water laws. John Kerry has the vision to create a new Manhattan Project to make America independent of Middle East oil in 10 years by creating alternative fuels like ethanol and making cars more efficient. We'll create half a million new jobs here at home at the same time - and we'll never have to send our sons and daughters to war for Mideast oil. First ANWAR is not pristine. A few towns, old military bases, etc. in the area. I think creating a new Manhatten project for energy is good. But are you going to complain when some big business such as Exxon or ChevronTexaco get a piece of the pie? Native Americans for Kerry John Kerry is the only candidate with a comprehensive agenda to improve the lives of Native Americans. Kerry will work every day to promote tribal sovereignty. While there are a number of successes in Indian Country, in these times of economic hardship - worsened by the policies of the Bush Administration - Kerry recognizes that the Federal government must partner with tribes to improve access to health care, provide more educational opportunities, and strengthen economic development efforts. Better look at the education programs the Native Americans have had access to for years. They are soverign nations. They have casinos on there land here in California and other places that the rest of us can not run. So let those rich soverign nations help their poor soverign nations brothers. Technology Plan to Create Jobs and Empower Americans to Lead in the 21st Century Technology has the potential to empower Americans by creating new high quality jobs, making America more competitive, and improving the quality of life. However, to realize this potential, we need a government committed to encouraging innovation and the widespread deployment of technology. We are currently in a jobless recovery and it is not clear where the next round of high-wage jobs will come from. More than 425,000 technology jobs have been lost on President Bush's watch. We need a President who is committed to bolstering technology and ensuring that growth in these industries leads to job creation, widespread economic growth and prosperity, and democratic involvement. Kerry's five point technology plan will: Encourage innovation to create high paying jobs. Assure America has cutting edge technology for the future. Make America more competitive by strengthening our markets. Train a workforce prepared for the jobs of the 21st century. Using technology to improve quality of life. We do that now. What is Kerry going to do different? |
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"basskisser" wrote in message . .. "Calif Bill" wrote in message news:1rcXb.2994 Uh, Bush is in the White House and controls both houses of congress and the judiciary, and he still can't or won't deliver on his most important pre-appointment pledges. Back to my first question. What is Kerry going to do? Not Bush is bad, I will be better. Why will he be better? Forget the Harry spinmeister machine. What and Why are the questions that require answers!!! Lots of fluff here. What are the concrete steps? Here are just SOME of Kerry's ideas: The first thing John Kerry will do is fight his heart out to bring back the three million jobs that have been lost under George W. Bush. He will fight to restore the jobs lost under Bush in the first 500 days of his administration. Kerry has proposed creating jobs through a new manufacturing jobs credit, by investing in new energy industries, restoring technology, and stopping layoffs in education. The millions of jobs were already dying under the last President. Federal Reserve did a lot to encourage the loss by not controlling a runaway stock market. Sort of a baby 1928. John Kerry believes that we need to invest in our schools instead of giving tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans. He has the courage to fight for our children's future every day. When it comes to education, George W. Bush has been the photo-op President. He stands next to children and teachers for a picture, but he doesn't stand with them when it comes to improving our public schools. By signing the No Child Left Behind Act and then breaking his promise by not giving schools the resources to help meet new standards, George Bush has undermined public education and left millions of children behind. As President, John Kerry will roll up his sleeves and get things done for America's schools. It's time to stop sending new mandates from Washington to school districts without providing the necessary resources needed to carry out those new rules. That's why John Kerry is proposing a new 'Education Trust Fund' that means fully funding education, no questions asked Fully fund what? We spend 50% of our state budget in California for education and we still get illiterates graduating. We are talking about FEDERALLY funding here, not California. You always use just California in quantifying your reasoning. Everybody else in the U.S. knows that California screws up everything government related. so, moot point. We need to require results from our educators! We have an education industry that sucks up BILLIONS with no accountability! Example. There used to be different levels of English depending on whether the student was College Prep, or not. Now the education industry requires all students take the same class. College bound, or learning disability, same class. So you get near total failure of results. Something like 50% of entering college students require remediation in English as well as other studies. You just going to throw money at the problem? We've done that for a bunch of years and has not worked yet. Do we just need more time and money? Affordable Health Care for Every American John Kerry believes that your family's health is just as important as any politician's in Washington. That's why he will give every American access to the health care plan that the President and Members of Congress already have. John Kerry has the courage to take on special interests to get health care costs under control. He will stand up to big insurance and drug companies that impede progress. And John Kerry's health care plan takes care of our most vulnerable citizens by covering every child and preserving and strengthening Medicare. And we are going to be all healthy and eat a Big Mac, and no health care. Only a small percentage of the people in this country do not have insurance through self paid or employer. You going to trash the whole system because of a small amount of people? And due to state welfare, all the children and adults get healthcare now. Bull****, pure and simple. If you believe your above statement that all children and adults get healthcare now, you are simply an idiot. Cleaner and Greener America Throughout his career, John Kerry has been a top leader on the environment, fighting to clean up toxic waste sites, to keep our air and water clean, and to protect the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and other pristine wilderness areas. In addition to supporting important environmental initiatives, John Kerry has turned a spotlight on the Bush Administration's rollbacks of our hard-won environmental gains and their outdated, old-economy notions that our environment must be sacrificed in the name of short-term profit. John Kerry has the courage to take on the polluters that are trying to gut our clean air and water laws. John Kerry has the vision to create a new Manhattan Project to make America independent of Middle East oil in 10 years by creating alternative fuels like ethanol and making cars more efficient. We'll create half a million new jobs here at home at the same time - and we'll never have to send our sons and daughters to war for Mideast oil. First ANWAR is not pristine. A few towns, old military bases, etc. in the area. I think creating a new Manhatten project for energy is good. But are you going to complain when some big business such as Exxon or ChevronTexaco get a piece of the pie? Yes. You are talking apples and oranges here. I want Kerry's ideas of support for research into alternate fuels. This will kill two birds with one stone. Cleaner burning or zero emissions means our goal of cleaning up the environment will be met, along with severing our dependence on Mid-East oil. How could this be bad, unless you have huge interests in oil companies? Native Americans for Kerry John Kerry is the only candidate with a comprehensive agenda to improve the lives of Native Americans. Kerry will work every day to promote tribal sovereignty. While there are a number of successes in Indian Country, in these times of economic hardship - worsened by the policies of the Bush Administration - Kerry recognizes that the Federal government must partner with tribes to improve access to health care, provide more educational opportunities, and strengthen economic development efforts. Better look at the education programs the Native Americans have had access to for years. They are soverign nations. They have casinos on there land here in California and other places that the rest of us can not run. So let those rich soverign nations help their poor soverign nations brothers. Pure stupidity. Most tribes with casinos are just finally making it up to fiscal standards of the rest of the U.S. Your perception of them just getting filthy rich is WAY off base. Technology Plan to Create Jobs and Empower Americans to Lead in the 21st Century Technology has the potential to empower Americans by creating new high quality jobs, making America more competitive, and improving the quality of life. However, to realize this potential, we need a government committed to encouraging innovation and the widespread deployment of technology. We are currently in a jobless recovery and it is not clear where the next round of high-wage jobs will come from. More than 425,000 technology jobs have been lost on President Bush's watch. We need a President who is committed to bolstering technology and ensuring that growth in these industries leads to job creation, widespread economic growth and prosperity, and democratic involvement. Kerry's five point technology plan will: Encourage innovation to create high paying jobs. Assure America has cutting edge technology for the future. Make America more competitive by strengthening our markets. Train a workforce prepared for the jobs of the 21st century. Using technology to improve quality of life. We do that now. Horse****. Bush has cut subsidies that supported many, many thousands of research projects. What is Kerry going to do different? See all of above. Again, at the beginning, I stated this is just SOME of Kerry's ideas. There are many, many more. |
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wrote: [snip] The millions of jobs were already dying under the last President. Federal Reserve did a lot to encourage the loss by not controlling a runaway stock market. Sort of a baby 1928. Uh oh. Here we go again. And how would the Federal Reserve have controlled that "runaway stock market?" Joe Parsons |
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"basskisser" wrote in message om... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... "basskisser" wrote in message . .. "Calif Bill" wrote in message news:1rcXb.2994 Uh, Bush is in the White House and controls both houses of congress and the judiciary, and he still can't or won't deliver on his most important pre-appointment pledges. Back to my first question. What is Kerry going to do? Not Bush is bad, I will be better. Why will he be better? Forget the Harry spinmeister machine. What and Why are the questions that require answers!!! Lots of fluff here. What are the concrete steps? Here are just SOME of Kerry's ideas: The first thing John Kerry will do is fight his heart out to bring back the three million jobs that have been lost under George W. Bush. He will fight to restore the jobs lost under Bush in the first 500 days of his administration. Kerry has proposed creating jobs through a new manufacturing jobs credit, by investing in new energy industries, restoring technology, and stopping layoffs in education. The millions of jobs were already dying under the last President. Federal Reserve did a lot to encourage the loss by not controlling a runaway stock market. Sort of a baby 1928. John Kerry believes that we need to invest in our schools instead of giving tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans. He has the courage to fight for our children's future every day. When it comes to education, George W. Bush has been the photo-op President. He stands next to children and teachers for a picture, but he doesn't stand with them when it comes to improving our public schools. By signing the No Child Left Behind Act and then breaking his promise by not giving schools the resources to help meet new standards, George Bush has undermined public education and left millions of children behind. As President, John Kerry will roll up his sleeves and get things done for America's schools. It's time to stop sending new mandates from Washington to school districts without providing the necessary resources needed to carry out those new rules. That's why John Kerry is proposing a new 'Education Trust Fund' that means fully funding education, no questions asked Fully fund what? We spend 50% of our state budget in California for education and we still get illiterates graduating. We are talking about FEDERALLY funding here, not California. You always use just California in quantifying your reasoning. Everybody else in the U.S. knows that California screws up everything government related. so, moot point. We need to require results from our educators! We have an education industry that sucks up BILLIONS with no accountability! Example. There used to be different levels of English depending on whether the student was College Prep, or not. Now the education industry requires all students take the same class. College bound, or learning disability, same class. So you get near total failure of results. Something like 50% of entering college students require remediation in English as well as other studies. You just going to throw money at the problem? We've done that for a bunch of years and has not worked yet. Do we just need more time and money? Affordable Health Care for Every American John Kerry believes that your family's health is just as important as any politician's in Washington. That's why he will give every American access to the health care plan that the President and Members of Congress already have. John Kerry has the courage to take on special interests to get health care costs under control. He will stand up to big insurance and drug companies that impede progress. And John Kerry's health care plan takes care of our most vulnerable citizens by covering every child and preserving and strengthening Medicare. And we are going to be all healthy and eat a Big Mac, and no health care. Only a small percentage of the people in this country do not have insurance through self paid or employer. You going to trash the whole system because of a small amount of people? And due to state welfare, all the children and adults get healthcare now. Bull****, pure and simple. If you believe your above statement that all children and adults get healthcare now, you are simply an idiot. Cleaner and Greener America Throughout his career, John Kerry has been a top leader on the environment, fighting to clean up toxic waste sites, to keep our air and water clean, and to protect the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and other pristine wilderness areas. In addition to supporting important environmental initiatives, John Kerry has turned a spotlight on the Bush Administration's rollbacks of our hard-won environmental gains and their outdated, old-economy notions that our environment must be sacrificed in the name of short-term profit. John Kerry has the courage to take on the polluters that are trying to gut our clean air and water laws. John Kerry has the vision to create a new Manhattan Project to make America independent of Middle East oil in 10 years by creating alternative fuels like ethanol and making cars more efficient. We'll create half a million new jobs here at home at the same time - and we'll never have to send our sons and daughters to war for Mideast oil. First ANWAR is not pristine. A few towns, old military bases, etc. in the area. I think creating a new Manhatten project for energy is good. But are you going to complain when some big business such as Exxon or ChevronTexaco get a piece of the pie? Yes. You are talking apples and oranges here. I want Kerry's ideas of support for research into alternate fuels. This will kill two birds with one stone. Cleaner burning or zero emissions means our goal of cleaning up the environment will be met, along with severing our dependence on Mid-East oil. How could this be bad, unless you have huge interests in oil companies? Native Americans for Kerry John Kerry is the only candidate with a comprehensive agenda to improve the lives of Native Americans. Kerry will work every day to promote tribal sovereignty. While there are a number of successes in Indian Country, in these times of economic hardship - worsened by the policies of the Bush Administration - Kerry recognizes that the Federal government must partner with tribes to improve access to health care, provide more educational opportunities, and strengthen economic development efforts. Better look at the education programs the Native Americans have had access to for years. They are soverign nations. They have casinos on there land here in California and other places that the rest of us can not run. So let those rich soverign nations help their poor soverign nations brothers. Pure stupidity. Most tribes with casinos are just finally making it up to fiscal standards of the rest of the U.S. Your perception of them just getting filthy rich is WAY off base. Technology Plan to Create Jobs and Empower Americans to Lead in the 21st Century Technology has the potential to empower Americans by creating new high quality jobs, making America more competitive, and improving the quality of life. However, to realize this potential, we need a government committed to encouraging innovation and the widespread deployment of technology. We are currently in a jobless recovery and it is not clear where the next round of high-wage jobs will come from. More than 425,000 technology jobs have been lost on President Bush's watch. We need a President who is committed to bolstering technology and ensuring that growth in these industries leads to job creation, widespread economic growth and prosperity, and democratic involvement. Kerry's five point technology plan will: Encourage innovation to create high paying jobs. Assure America has cutting edge technology for the future. Make America more competitive by strengthening our markets. Train a workforce prepared for the jobs of the 21st century. Using technology to improve quality of life. We do that now. Horse****. Bush has cut subsidies that supported many, many thousands of research projects. What is Kerry going to do different? See all of above. Again, at the beginning, I stated this is just SOME of Kerry's ideas. There are many, many more. Ideas? What are the actual programs to be implemented? Where is the money for them coming from? |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message om... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... "basskisser" wrote in message . .. "Calif Bill" wrote in message news:1rcXb.2994 Uh, Bush is in the White House and controls both houses of congress and the judiciary, and he still can't or won't deliver on his most important pre-appointment pledges. Back to my first question. What is Kerry going to do? Not Bush is bad, I will be better. Why will he be better? Forget the Harry spinmeister machine. What and Why are the questions that require answers!!! Lots of fluff here. What are the concrete steps? Here are just SOME of Kerry's ideas: The first thing John Kerry will do is fight his heart out to bring back the three million jobs that have been lost under George W. Bush. He will fight to restore the jobs lost under Bush in the first 500 days of his administration. Kerry has proposed creating jobs through a new manufacturing jobs credit, by investing in new energy industries, restoring technology, and stopping layoffs in education. The millions of jobs were already dying under the last President. Federal Reserve did a lot to encourage the loss by not controlling a runaway stock market. Sort of a baby 1928. John Kerry believes that we need to invest in our schools instead of giving tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans. He has the courage to fight for our children's future every day. When it comes to education, George W. Bush has been the photo-op President. He stands next to children and teachers for a picture, but he doesn't stand with them when it comes to improving our public schools. By signing the No Child Left Behind Act and then breaking his promise by not giving schools the resources to help meet new standards, George Bush has undermined public education and left millions of children behind. As President, John Kerry will roll up his sleeves and get things done for America's schools. It's time to stop sending new mandates from Washington to school districts without providing the necessary resources needed to carry out those new rules. That's why John Kerry is proposing a new 'Education Trust Fund' that means fully funding education, no questions asked Fully fund what? We spend 50% of our state budget in California for education and we still get illiterates graduating. We are talking about FEDERALLY funding here, not California. You always use just California in quantifying your reasoning. Everybody else in the U.S. knows that California screws up everything government related. so, moot point. We need to require results from our educators! We have an education industry that sucks up BILLIONS with no accountability! Example. There used to be different levels of English depending on whether the student was College Prep, or not. Now the education industry requires all students take the same class. College bound, or learning disability, same class. So you get near total failure of results. Something like 50% of entering college students require remediation in English as well as other studies. You just going to throw money at the problem? We've done that for a bunch of years and has not worked yet. Do we just need more time and money? Affordable Health Care for Every American John Kerry believes that your family's health is just as important as any politician's in Washington. That's why he will give every American access to the health care plan that the President and Members of Congress already have. John Kerry has the courage to take on special interests to get health care costs under control. He will stand up to big insurance and drug companies that impede progress. And John Kerry's health care plan takes care of our most vulnerable citizens by covering every child and preserving and strengthening Medicare. And we are going to be all healthy and eat a Big Mac, and no health care. Only a small percentage of the people in this country do not have insurance through self paid or employer. You going to trash the whole system because of a small amount of people? And due to state welfare, all the children and adults get healthcare now. Bull****, pure and simple. If you believe your above statement that all children and adults get healthcare now, you are simply an idiot. Cleaner and Greener America Throughout his career, John Kerry has been a top leader on the environment, fighting to clean up toxic waste sites, to keep our air and water clean, and to protect the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and other pristine wilderness areas. In addition to supporting important environmental initiatives, John Kerry has turned a spotlight on the Bush Administration's rollbacks of our hard-won environmental gains and their outdated, old-economy notions that our environment must be sacrificed in the name of short-term profit. John Kerry has the courage to take on the polluters that are trying to gut our clean air and water laws. John Kerry has the vision to create a new Manhattan Project to make America independent of Middle East oil in 10 years by creating alternative fuels like ethanol and making cars more efficient. We'll create half a million new jobs here at home at the same time - and we'll never have to send our sons and daughters to war for Mideast oil. First ANWAR is not pristine. A few towns, old military bases, etc. in the area. I think creating a new Manhatten project for energy is good. But are you going to complain when some big business such as Exxon or ChevronTexaco get a piece of the pie? Yes. You are talking apples and oranges here. I want Kerry's ideas of support for research into alternate fuels. This will kill two birds with one stone. Cleaner burning or zero emissions means our goal of cleaning up the environment will be met, along with severing our dependence on Mid-East oil. How could this be bad, unless you have huge interests in oil companies? Native Americans for Kerry John Kerry is the only candidate with a comprehensive agenda to improve the lives of Native Americans. Kerry will work every day to promote tribal sovereignty. While there are a number of successes in Indian Country, in these times of economic hardship - worsened by the policies of the Bush Administration - Kerry recognizes that the Federal government must partner with tribes to improve access to health care, provide more educational opportunities, and strengthen economic development efforts. Better look at the education programs the Native Americans have had access to for years. They are soverign nations. They have casinos on there land here in California and other places that the rest of us can not run. So let those rich soverign nations help their poor soverign nations brothers. Pure stupidity. Most tribes with casinos are just finally making it up to fiscal standards of the rest of the U.S. Your perception of them just getting filthy rich is WAY off base. Technology Plan to Create Jobs and Empower Americans to Lead in the 21st Century Technology has the potential to empower Americans by creating new high quality jobs, making America more competitive, and improving the quality of life. However, to realize this potential, we need a government committed to encouraging innovation and the widespread deployment of technology. We are currently in a jobless recovery and it is not clear where the next round of high-wage jobs will come from. More than 425,000 technology jobs have been lost on President Bush's watch. We need a President who is committed to bolstering technology and ensuring that growth in these industries leads to job creation, widespread economic growth and prosperity, and democratic involvement. Kerry's five point technology plan will: Encourage innovation to create high paying jobs. Assure America has cutting edge technology for the future. Make America more competitive by strengthening our markets. Train a workforce prepared for the jobs of the 21st century. Using technology to improve quality of life. We do that now. Horse****. Bush has cut subsidies that supported many, many thousands of research projects. What is Kerry going to do different? See all of above. Again, at the beginning, I stated this is just SOME of Kerry's ideas. There are many, many more. Ideas? What are the actual programs to be implemented? Where is the money for them coming from? Jeeez, READ, you dumb ****!!! READ....it's all in black and white. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message Ideas? What are the actual programs to be implemented? Where is the money for them coming from? Jeeez, READ, you dumb ****!!! READ....it's all in black and white. Yes! read you DF! He has ideas. Where is the money to come from? What are the actual programs. Blow off the feel good spinmeister statements. Where is the meat? |
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"basskisser" wrote in message Ideas? What are the actual programs to be implemented? Where is the money for them coming from? Jeeez, READ, you dumb ****!!! READ....it's all in black and white. Yes! read you DF! He has ideas. Where is the money to come from? What are the actual programs. Blow off the feel good spinmeister statements. Where is the meat? Again, idiot, do a little search and read. My god, man, if you can't glean the answers from his websites, and his speeches, and his debates, you are dumber than I ever dreamed possible. |
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On 20 Feb 2004 04:24:50 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:
John H wrote in message . .. On 19 Feb 2004 04:44:42 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "basskisser" wrote in message Ideas? What are the actual programs to be implemented? Where is the money for them coming from? Jeeez, READ, you dumb ****!!! READ....it's all in black and white. Yes! read you DF! He has ideas. Where is the money to come from? What are the actual programs. Blow off the feel good spinmeister statements. Where is the meat? Again, idiot, do a little search and read. My god, man, if you can't glean the answers from his websites, and his speeches, and his debates, you are dumber than I ever dreamed possible. In other words, basskisser doesn't know. John H Please supply the name of the person you spoke to at Yamaha, U.S.A., I would like to talk to her. Her name was??? And yes, I DO know. If you can't see through your blinders, no amount of research is going to help, nor would anything I say. hee, hee, hee. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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"John H" wrote in message ... On 20 Feb 2004 04:24:50 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: John H wrote in message . .. On 19 Feb 2004 04:44:42 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "basskisser" wrote in message Ideas? What are the actual programs to be implemented? Where is the money for them coming from? Jeeez, READ, you dumb ****!!! READ....it's all in black and white. Yes! read you DF! He has ideas. Where is the money to come from? What are the actual programs. Blow off the feel good spinmeister statements. Where is the meat? Again, idiot, do a little search and read. My god, man, if you can't glean the answers from his websites, and his speeches, and his debates, you are dumber than I ever dreamed possible. In other words, basskisser doesn't know. John H Please supply the name of the person you spoke to at Yamaha, U.S.A., I would like to talk to her. Her name was??? And yes, I DO know. If you can't see through your blinders, no amount of research is going to help, nor would anything I say. hee, hee, hee. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! John, give it up. This guy is obviously dumber than dirt. |
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 18:11:26 -0500, "Jim--" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message .. . On 20 Feb 2004 04:24:50 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: John H wrote in message ... On 19 Feb 2004 04:44:42 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... "basskisser" wrote in message Ideas? What are the actual programs to be implemented? Where is the money for them coming from? Jeeez, READ, you dumb ****!!! READ....it's all in black and white. Yes! read you DF! He has ideas. Where is the money to come from? What are the actual programs. Blow off the feel good spinmeister statements. Where is the meat? Again, idiot, do a little search and read. My god, man, if you can't glean the answers from his websites, and his speeches, and his debates, you are dumber than I ever dreamed possible. In other words, basskisser doesn't know. John H Please supply the name of the person you spoke to at Yamaha, U.S.A., I would like to talk to her. Her name was??? And yes, I DO know. If you can't see through your blinders, no amount of research is going to help, nor would anything I say. hee, hee, hee. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! John, give it up. This guy is obviously dumber than dirt. Yup. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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John H wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 18:11:26 -0500, "Jim--" wrote: John, give it up. This guy is obviously dumber than dirt. Yup. John H And thus, the rightie circle jerk continues... |
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"Jim--" wrote in message news:UZ-dnRxLb_uKCavdRVn-
Again, idiot, do a little search and read. My god, man, if you can't glean the answers from his websites, and his speeches, and his debates, you are dumber than I ever dreamed possible. In other words, basskisser doesn't know. John H Please supply the name of the person you spoke to at Yamaha, U.S.A., I would like to talk to her. Her name was??? And yes, I DO know. If you can't see through your blinders, no amount of research is going to help, nor would anything I say. hee, hee, hee. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! John, give it up. This guy is obviously dumber than dirt. Why, because I want to be able to talk to the resource HE claims to have talked to? |
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John H wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 18:11:26 -0500, "Jim--" wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On 20 Feb 2004 04:24:50 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: John H wrote in message . .. On 19 Feb 2004 04:44:42 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "basskisser" wrote in message Ideas? What are the actual programs to be implemented? Where is the money for them coming from? Jeeez, READ, you dumb ****!!! READ....it's all in black and white. Yes! read you DF! He has ideas. Where is the money to come from? What are the actual programs. Blow off the feel good spinmeister statements. Where is the meat? Again, idiot, do a little search and read. My god, man, if you can't glean the answers from his websites, and his speeches, and his debates, you are dumber than I ever dreamed possible. In other words, basskisser doesn't know. John H Please supply the name of the person you spoke to at Yamaha, U.S.A., I would like to talk to her. Her name was??? And yes, I DO know. If you can't see through your blinders, no amount of research is going to help, nor would anything I say. hee, hee, hee. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! John, give it up. This guy is obviously dumber than dirt. Yup. John H Let's recap. YOU claimed to have talked to a person at Yamaha U.S.A., had a lengthy conversation with this person, went through ALL companies and subsidiaries wholly owned by Yamaha, U.S.A., and this person stated that none of those used organized labor, and on and on. Your intention was to use this information to prove me wrong, and went to great lengths to do that......and didn't get the person's name for verification??????? Hmm, who IS the dumb one? |
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On 23 Feb 2004 07:51:55 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:
John H wrote in message . .. On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 18:11:26 -0500, "Jim--" wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On 20 Feb 2004 04:24:50 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: John H wrote in message . .. On 19 Feb 2004 04:44:42 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "basskisser" wrote in message Ideas? What are the actual programs to be implemented? Where is the money for them coming from? Jeeez, READ, you dumb ****!!! READ....it's all in black and white. Yes! read you DF! He has ideas. Where is the money to come from? What are the actual programs. Blow off the feel good spinmeister statements. Where is the meat? Again, idiot, do a little search and read. My god, man, if you can't glean the answers from his websites, and his speeches, and his debates, you are dumber than I ever dreamed possible. In other words, basskisser doesn't know. John H Please supply the name of the person you spoke to at Yamaha, U.S.A., I would like to talk to her. Her name was??? And yes, I DO know. If you can't see through your blinders, no amount of research is going to help, nor would anything I say. hee, hee, hee. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! John, give it up. This guy is obviously dumber than dirt. Yup. John H Let's recap. YOU claimed to have talked to a person at Yamaha U.S.A., had a lengthy conversation with this person, went through ALL companies and subsidiaries wholly owned by Yamaha, U.S.A., and this person stated that none of those used organized labor, and on and on. Your intention was to use this information to prove me wrong, and went to great lengths to do that......and didn't get the person's name for verification??????? Hmm, who IS the dumb one? I never stated I "...went through ALL companies and subsidiaries..." I didn't need to. I went through a couple of the organizations on the list you provided. You used the word 'all'. By showing your lie in only one organization, your credibility was shot. And it remains so. If you must have a name, call the CEO's office, as I did, and ask the young lady for her name. I've given you the number I called, and you are welcome to do the same. You made the statement that all these Yamaha places were unionized. You lied. I didn't. Now, ask yourself, "WWHD?" John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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Let's recap. YOU claimed to have talked to a person at Yamaha U.S.A., had a lengthy conversation with this person, went through ALL companies and subsidiaries wholly owned by Yamaha, U.S.A., and this person stated that none of those used organized labor, and on and on. Your intention was to use this information to prove me wrong, and went to great lengths to do that......and didn't get the person's name for verification??????? Hmm, who IS the dumb one? I never stated I "...went through ALL companies and subsidiaries..." I didn't need to. I went through a couple of the organizations on the list you provided. You used the word 'all'. By showing your lie in only one organization, your credibility was shot. And it remains so. If you must have a name, call the CEO's office, as I did, and ask the young lady for her name. I've given you the number I called, and you are welcome to do the same. You made the statement that all these Yamaha places were unionized. You lied. I didn't. Now, ask yourself, "WWHD?" John H John, I've caught you in a lie, you know it, everyone here knows it. |
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Let's recap. YOU claimed to have talked to a person at Yamaha U.S.A., had a lengthy conversation with this person, went through ALL companies and subsidiaries wholly owned by Yamaha, U.S.A., and this person stated that none of those used organized labor, and on and on. Your intention was to use this information to prove me wrong, and went to great lengths to do that......and didn't get the person's name for verification??????? Hmm, who IS the dumb one? I never stated I "...went through ALL companies and subsidiaries..." I didn't need to. I went through a couple of the organizations on the list you provided. You used the word 'all'. By showing your lie in only one organization, your credibility was shot. And it remains so. If you must have a name, call the CEO's office, as I did, and ask the young lady for her name. I've given you the number I called, and you are welcome to do the same. You made the statement that all these Yamaha places were unionized. You lied. I didn't. Now, ask yourself, "WWHD?" John H John, you're caught in a lie, get over it. |
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On 24 Feb 2004 04:07:31 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: John H wrote in message Let's recap. YOU claimed to have talked to a person at Yamaha U.S.A., had a lengthy conversation with this person, went through ALL companies and subsidiaries wholly owned by Yamaha, U.S.A., and this person stated that none of those used organized labor, and on and on. Your intention was to use this information to prove me wrong, and went to great lengths to do that......and didn't get the person's name for verification??????? Hmm, who IS the dumb one? I never stated I "...went through ALL companies and subsidiaries..." I didn't need to. I went through a couple of the organizations on the list you provided. You used the word 'all'. By showing your lie in only one organization, your credibility was shot. And it remains so. If you must have a name, call the CEO's office, as I did, and ask the young lady for her name. I've given you the number I called, and you are welcome to do the same. You made the statement that all these Yamaha places were unionized. You lied. I didn't. Now, ask yourself, "WWHD?" John H John, you're caught in a lie, get over it. Another wish. Then please, get the name of the person you spoke with at Yamaha, U.S.A. I really would like to talk to her. Now, I could call your number, when in fact the toll free number I posted goes to the exact same place. Trouble is, I want to talk to the lady that you talked to. What was her name again? |
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