Why is America hated?
 

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Most great ideas of the last 100 years have come from liberals.


You mean like electric light? (then you're wrong...Edison was a
conservative) Or the mass-produced automobile? (wrong again...Ford
was a
conservative as well) Maybe you meant mechanical flight? (sorry,
the
Wright brothers were also conservative).

Perhaps you meant things like Social Security, medicaid, medicare,
and
welfare? The four social programs "invented" by FDR...and the four
programs
that in the most dire straights.






Ideas, fella...I didn't say objects...I said ideas.

Ideas become objects or else they are useless.

Really? You know, every so often you post something that shows how
really shallow and dimwitted you are. This would be one of those.

Prove me wrong, Harry. Show me an idea that made a positive
contribution to
society, and I'll show you an "object" that is a direct descendent or
result
of that idea.

Oh, puh-lease.

Oh, puh-lease what? Show me an idea that made a positive contribution to
society, and I'll show you an object that is a direct descendent or result
of that idea.

Why is America hated?
 

"jchaplain" wrote in message
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Harry,
NOYB is right in one respect.

Idea --- kill filter for NYOB
Object - kill filter button.

Good. jchaplain has given us an example. Now can Harry find his own unique
example to the contrary?

Why is America hated?
 

Sorry, but I Gotta de-lurk for this. I don't useually respond to OT posts,
but this one deserves special attention.

It is very simple Harry.

The French kids hate us because their parents hated us, because their
grandparents hated us for saving their asses 3 times this century. They are
taught by French Schools to hate US(A) and everything about Americans.

Kids are blank sheets. you can teach 1+1=2 or I Hate You, with equal ease.
Adolph Hitler was a master of imprinting youth. Any he didn't or couldn't
imprint, such as the strongly cultured jews, he exterminated.

When my Dad was over there saving their butts from Hitler, they hated us
just a little less then the Germans. You see, the French are failed
conquerers. They have tried several times in history to rule the world and
failed. This gives them a complex. Also, they are mad because they still owe
a few trillion to US loans, which they have defaulted on. Nothing like
someone oweing you a ton of money to make them mad.

The French military govonor(s) massacered tens of thousands in Guyana.
They placed the world's most infamous concentration camp in history thee
too. Devil's Island. Shipping in thousands of prisoners from all over the
world, 2,000 prisoners a month died there for nearly 100 years.

Try this: Ask the French schoolchildren about the suffering Vietnamise
under French rule. I bet a dead shrimp they can't tell you a thing. Why?
Because that chapter was edited out of French history.
As far as Rall and his UPS cronies, I don't pay any attention to sloped
reporting.
UPS has always been anti-american, and I am surprised you would quote them
as a source.

It isn't the schoolchild's fault he or she hates Americans, its those who
teach them to hate Americans, like UPS, and other anti-american media.


Capt. Frank





"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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SUFFER THE FRENCH SCHOOLCHILDREN:
The Hatred Bush Hath Wrought

By Ted Rall/Universal Press Syndicate

Tues. Jan 20th, 2004

CARQUEFOU, FRANCE--Why do they hate us? And where do they get their
hatred from?

These questions haunted me and three other American visitors as we
studied a huge display of cartoons drawn by local schoolchildren
assigned to convey their impressions of the United States. Panel after
grisly panel depicted the United States, George Bush and those
ubiquitous symbols of American commercial culture--McDonald's and
Coke--as murderous, predatory and gleefully vicious. Obese Uncle Sams
chopping up Iraqi children with a knife, their blood gushing across
construction paper. A leering Statue of Liberty holding a hamburger in
one hand while firing missiles at dying Afghan civilians across the
ocean. The American flag, its bars transformed into prisons for the
child inmates of Guantànamo. A baseball bat painted red, white and
blue poised to smash a ball--which is a globe. The juxtaposition
between the artwork's ferociously angry imagery and the childish
drawing styles of the third graders would disturb the most jaded
reader.

I didn't see a single positive portrayal of the U.S.

Organizers of Carquefou's annual cartoon art festival had invited four
American artists--Steve Benson of The Arizona Republic, David Horsey
ofThe Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Kal of The Baltimore Sun and yours
truly--to this industrial town in conservative western France to
discuss the deteriorated state of Franco-American relations. We've all
used our cartoons to convey our dim opinion of the Bush
Administration's domestic and foreign policy agenda. We oppose the war
in Iraq. We despise the French bashing ("freedom fries," wine
boycotts, high schools that have stopped teaching French) that has
arisen since the Chirac government threatened to veto Bush's Iraq war
resolution in the U.N. I even have dual French-American citizenship.
We're a pretty liberal group; that's probably why they chose us.

We don't take issue with most of the cartoons' messages. They see Bush
as a vicious, thoughtless warmonger with fascist tendencies, Americans
as arrogant brutes who don't give a passing thought to the innocent
people who die at the hands of their government and rapacious
corporations as hegemonic steamrollers that crush cultural
distinctiveness and independence in their ceaseless quest for the
almighty dollar. They can't believe that we feel more entitled to use
military force than Luxembourg or Monaco.

What must Palestinian kids think of us?

It would be nice to see these opinions expressed with more subtlety
and nuance. But their opinions are more right than wrong. Americans
believe they're exceptional. A Republican is someone who believes that
we were right to invade Iraq. A Democrat is one who thinks we should
have gone into Rwanda.

Still, walking past those drawings these past few days felt like
getting slugged in the stomach. Part of it was the sheer scale--there
were more than 700 pieces on display. But the level of rage and
vitriol against America and everything related to it (one kid even
trashed Tropicana orange juice) surpassed prewar propaganda in
Saddam's Iraqi press. And these are kids. What a difference a hundred
years makes: the Statue of Liberty, France's second great gift to
America after freeing it from England, was funded by millions of
centimes collected by French schoolchildren.

We repeatedly explained that there's more to the United States than
George Bush. We pointed out that most voters supported Gore in the
last election, that hundreds of thousands of Americans marched against
the war. We argued that Americans are kind, big-hearted people. French
attendees listened politely, and we were treated with the utmost
kindness and hospitality, but their kids' cartoons screamed: we hate
you. That hurt.

Children get their politics from their parents and teachers, who form
their impressions from the media. The European media has covered a
different war than the one you've seen on CNN and Fox News. A
14-year-old Iraqi boy, shot by U.S. troops in Baghdad, was interviewed
for five minutes on the evening news. "They did it on purpose," he
said. "They were laughing." The bloody corpses of Iraqi civilians are
standard TV fare here. The Bush Administration is routinely portrayed
as greedy, stupid and mean.

Americans can find the truth about our nasty, unwinnable oil war, but
they have to dig a little deeper. "The United States is using
excessive power," Ghazi Ajil al-Yawar, a moderate, pro-American member
of the Iraqi Governing Council, told The New York Times Magazine on
January 11. "They round up people in a very humiliating way, by
putting bags over their faces in front of their families. In our
society, this is like rape. The Americans are using collective
punishment by jailing relatives. What is the difference from Saddam?
They are demolishing houses [of insurgents' family members] now. They
say they want to teach a lesson to the people. But when Timothy
McVeigh was convicted in the bombing in Oklahoma City, was his
family's home destroyed?"

It's striking that al-Yawar knows McVeigh's name. How many Americans
can identify any Iraqi other than Saddam Hussein ?
Most foreigners know more about us than we know about them. Hell, they
know more about what we're doing in Iraq than we do ourselves.

Of course, many of us don't give a damn whether French schoolchildren
or anyone else think Bush's United States is a land of butchers and
thugs. Whether or not we care, however, it matters

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Why is America hated?
 

"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
nk.net...
( snip )
When my Dad was over there saving their butts from Hitler, they hated us
just a little less then the Germans.
( snip )

I have to disagree that the French hate Americans.

My father, who landed on the Beach on D-Day, June 6, 1944 as a member of the
Second Canadian Army is being invited back by the French Government, for the
60th anniversary of this historic landing. He was also invited back, by the
Dutch Government for the 50th anniversary of the Liberation of Holland. My
father remembers our allies, the American soldiers, being welcomed by the
French as well as by the Belgians and the Dutch, during these ceremonies.
He is looking forward to renewing the friendships he made with the American
Soldiers he met over there during the war, and with the French citizens who
have invited him to their homes.

Jim Carter, Port Captain, GLCC
"The Boat"
Bayfield

Why is America hated?
 

Hi Jim,
Have you been to Paris in the last few years? The wife and I went in 2001
for a few days, and and the inhabitants were just plain rude to us. We left
6 days early and went to England.

I take it your father was on Gold Beach on D-Day. God bless him. If, he is
still around, tell him "Thanks" for me.

My father was in the 9th division. A combat photographer. Utah beach I
think. He passed away in '96, but left behind a lot of photos, and
memories. --
Capt. Frank Hopkins

www.home.earthlink.net/~aartworks
"Jim Carter" wrote in message
le.rogers.com...

"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
nk.net...
( snip )
When my Dad was over there saving their butts from Hitler, they
hated us
just a little less then the Germans.
( snip )

I have to disagree that the French hate Americans.

My father, who landed on the Beach on D-Day, June 6, 1944 as a member of
the
Second Canadian Army is being invited back by the French Government, for
the
60th anniversary of this historic landing. He was also invited back, by
the
Dutch Government for the 50th anniversary of the Liberation of Holland.
My
father remembers our allies, the American soldiers, being welcomed by
the
French as well as by the Belgians and the Dutch, during these
ceremonies.
He is looking forward to renewing the friendships he made with the
American
Soldiers he met over there during the war, and with the French citizens
who
have invited him to their homes.

Jim Carter, Port Captain, GLCC
"The Boat"
Bayfield

Why is America hated?
 

"Jim Carter" wrote in message news:EotSb.59905

My father, who landed on the Beach on D-Day, June 6, 1944 as a member of
the
Second Canadian Army

Jim, next time you see him, give him a handshake and a big Thank You from
me.

Why is America hated?
 

"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
nk.net...
Hi Jim,
Have you been to Paris in the last few years?
( snip )
I take it your father was on Gold Beach on D-Day. God bless him. If, he
is
still around, tell him "Thanks" for me. ( snip )
Capt. Frank Hopkins

Hi Frank: No, I have not been to Paris since 1998, but, as a Canadian, I am
welcomed anywhere in the world, even Cuba.
My last trip to France was in 2001, to the city of Nantes. I met some
Americans there and they were having a great time, no problems at all.

My father landed on Gold and was so happy to get ashore in one piece! His
landing craft was hit by enemy fire several times.
He told me that there was a small truck on the landing craft and he was
under it on the ride into the beach.

He is still around and is going to France on June 1'st to take part in the D
Day remembrances. He is being presented with a medal by the Normandy
Provincial Government.

I will give him your "Thanks"

Jim Carter, Port Captain, GLCC
"The Boat"
Bayfield

Why is America hated?
 

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:54:20 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

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Most great ideas of the last 100 years have come from liberals.


You mean like electric light? (then you're wrong...Edison was a
conservative) Or the mass-produced automobile? (wrong again...Ford was a
conservative as well) Maybe you meant mechanical flight? (sorry, the
Wright brothers were also conservative).

Perhaps you meant things like Social Security, medicaid, medicare, and
welfare? The four social programs "invented" by FDR...and the four
programs
that in the most dire straights.






Ideas, fella...I didn't say objects...I said ideas.

Ideas become objects or else they are useless.

Really? You know, every so often you post something that shows how
really shallow and dimwitted you are. This would be one of those.

Sometimes it's the pot calling the kettle black. In this case it's the
pot calling...and calling...and calling...

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Why is America hated?
 

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:55:09 GMT, jchaplain wrote:

Harry,
NOYB is right in one respect.

Idea --- kill filter for NYOB
Object - kill filter button.

Works for me!

Add me too! It's "John H". Don't forget the space between the 'n' and
the 'H'. In fact, killfiling everyone *except* Harry would be a good
idea.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Why is America hated?
 

6th of June.
A lot of men lost their lives that day. We should never forget to honor
their memory.

WW II was a horror and a blot on civilization. By the time the US woke up,
it was too late. Millions died because of that madman, Hitler.

Yes, as Canadian, you are welcomed in most of the world. Especially in
Florida. We get a lot of your countrymen through here in the winter months.
As an native, and a person who's liveiehood depands on tourism, I always try
to go out of my way to insure a happy vacation for Canadians.

If you or yours are traveling to Florida, and need advice or help, send me
an Email, and I will do what I can.



--
Capt. Frank Hopkins

www.home.earthlink.net/~aartworks
"Jim Carter" wrote in message
ble.rogers.com...

"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
nk.net...
Hi Jim,
Have you been to Paris in the last few years?
( snip )
I take it your father was on Gold Beach on D-Day. God bless him.
If, he
is
still around, tell him "Thanks" for me. ( snip )
Capt. Frank Hopkins

Hi Frank: No, I have not been to Paris since 1998, but, as a Canadian,
I am
welcomed anywhere in the world, even Cuba.
My last trip to France was in 2001, to the city of Nantes. I met some
Americans there and they were having a great time, no problems at all.

My father landed on Gold and was so happy to get ashore in one piece!
His
landing craft was hit by enemy fire several times.
He told me that there was a small truck on the landing craft and he was
under it on the ride into the beach.

He is still around and is going to France on June 1'st to take part in
the D
Day remembrances. He is being presented with a medal by the Normandy
Provincial Government.

I will give him your "Thanks"

Jim Carter, Port Captain, GLCC
"The Boat"
Bayfield