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basskisser January 29th 04 03:53 PM

Some quotes about Liberals
 
Below are some quotes by some very bright people about liberalism.

Liberalism is, I think, resurgent. One reason is that more and more
people are so painfully aware of the alternative. The modern
conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for
selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith

As mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that
all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community
are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope
ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and
liberality. George Washington

Of all the varieties of virtues, liberalism is the most beloved.
Aristotle

Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism,
distrust of the people, tempered by fear. William Gladstone

Government is a contrivance of human wisdom to provide for human
wants. People have the right to expect that these wants will be
provided for by this wisdom. Jimmy Carter

Liberalism is the supreme form of generosity; it is the right by which
the majority concedes to minorities and hence it is the noblest cry
that has ever resounded on this planet. Jose Ortega y Gasset

A liberal is a man or a woman or a child who looks forward to a better
day, a more tranquil night, and a bright, infinite future. Leonard
Bernstein

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are
conservatives. John Stuart Mill

John Gaquin January 29th 04 04:26 PM

Some quotes about Liberals
 

"basskisser" wrote in message

Below are some quotes by some very bright people about liberalism.


And some very dead people, and some European people. The connotations of
words change in different times and on different continents.



I. M. White January 29th 04 06:17 PM

Some quotes about Liberals
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
m...
Below are some quotes by some very bright people about liberalism.



http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/a/...sareLiars.html


I. M. White


bb January 29th 04 06:23 PM

Some quotes about Liberals
 
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:17:41 -0500, "I. M. White"
wrote:

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John Gaquin January 29th 04 06:31 PM

Some quotes about Liberals
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

So, which of the nearly illiterate right-wing pukes here will be the
first up to the plate


How absolutely fourth-grade! Like Carnak the Magnificent, he poses the
question after the fact, and thus claims prescience. How very typical of
the breed!



Backyard Renegade January 29th 04 07:12 PM

Some quotes about Liberals
 
(basskisser) wrote in message om...
Below are some quotes by some very bright people about liberalism.

Liberalism is, I think, resurgent. One reason is that more and more
people are so painfully aware of the alternative. The modern
conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for
selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith

As mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that
all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community
are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope
ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and
liberality. George Washington

Of all the varieties of virtues, liberalism is the most beloved.
Aristotle

Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism,
distrust of the people, tempered by fear. William Gladstone

Government is a contrivance of human wisdom to provide for human
wants. People have the right to expect that these wants will be
provided for by this wisdom. Jimmy Carter

Liberalism is the supreme form of generosity; it is the right by which
the majority concedes to minorities and hence it is the noblest cry
that has ever resounded on this planet. Jose Ortega y Gasset

A liberal is a man or a woman or a child who looks forward to a better
day, a more tranquil night, and a bright, infinite future. Leonard
Bernstein

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are
conservatives. John Stuart Mill


You forgot a few, but is this really worth it? There, as usual is
nothing really to debate here except some folks say stuff you don't
like. Take back the group, there is nothing to discuss here, if noone
challenges him here, it dies, well except for the usual high fives...
BTW, I did not even read your post past the first line. Why bother, it
is only peoples opinions and rants... useless as your post.

John H January 29th 04 09:22 PM

Some quotes about Liberals
 
On 29 Jan 2004 07:53:14 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:


Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are
conservatives. John Stuart Mill


Obviously, Mr. Mill didn't spend much time in *this* newsgroup!

Give him a fish and you feed a man for a day, teach him how to fish
and you feed him for a lifetime... (A conservative) It is this, I
think, that partially differentiates Liberals and Conservatives. To
you, handouts are the way to be unselfish. To me, teaching a trade is
the way to be unselfish.

How do you define 'selfish'? Harry Krause, in an earlier post, said
that conservatives thought selfishness was the greatest good (or words
to that effect). To me, true selfishness is doing whatever is in one's
short and long term best interests. This holds for nations also. Given
this definition, selfishness *is* the greatest good.

Chew on it.




John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

John H January 29th 04 09:24 PM

Some quotes about Liberals
 
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:48:46 -0500 (EST), "Harry Krause"
wrote:

John Gaquin wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

So, which of the nearly illiterate right-wing pukes here will be the
first up to the plate


How absolutely fourth-grade! Like Carnak the Magnificent, he poses the
question after the fact, and thus claims prescience. How very typical of
the breed!



Sorry, dude, but the daytime news reader/poster service I sometimes use
gets news posts on its own schedule. I had no idea *you* would be the
first right-wing puke to try to dispute the aphorisms.


Bull****!

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

John H January 29th 04 09:27 PM

Some quotes about Liberals
 
On 29 Jan 2004 07:53:14 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

Below are some quotes by some very bright people about liberalism.

Snipped

"The fact that liberals are notorious liars is no minor issue -- and
it isn't a coincidental freak happening. It's no surprise that the
best spokesmen for liberalism is Bill Clinton. It's no surprise that
liberal men are known for being ladies men who lie to all the women to
get them in bed. Liberals, again, are rationalists, liars, fans of big
government and haters of reality. " Andrew Pawley


John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Don White January 29th 04 09:38 PM

Some quotes about Liberals
 
Ah ha! Now it comes out.
When John's dress uniform didn't help him getting laid, he resented the
'civvies who had no such problem.

John H wrote in message
...
On 29 Jan 2004 07:53:14 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

Snipped

.. It's no surprise that liberal men are known for being ladies men who lie
to all the women to
get them in bed.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!




Harry Krause January 29th 04 11:17 PM

Some quotes about Liberals
 
John H wrote:

On 29 Jan 2004 07:53:14 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:


Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are
conservatives. John Stuart Mill


Obviously, Mr. Mill didn't spend much time in *this* newsgroup!

Give him a fish and you feed a man for a day, teach him how to fish
and you feed him for a lifetime... (A conservative) It is this, I
think, that partially differentiates Liberals and Conservatives. To
you, handouts are the way to be unselfish. To me, teaching a trade is
the way to be unselfish.

How do you define 'selfish'? Harry Krause, in an earlier post, said
that conservatives thought selfishness was the greatest good (or words
to that effect). To me, true selfishness is doing whatever is in one's
short and long term best interests. This holds for nations also. Given
this definition, selfishness *is* the greatest good.

Chew on it.




John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!



The standard definition of selfish:

Devoted to or concerned with one's own advantage or welfare to the
exclusion of regard for others.

In other words, Republicans.

BTW, you are quoting Ayn Rand there...at least her philosophy. Ann of
the Turgid Prose, as we called her in high school.


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Harry Krause January 29th 04 11:19 PM

Some quotes about Liberals
 
John H wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:48:46 -0500 (EST), "Harry Krause"
wrote:

John Gaquin wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

So, which of the nearly illiterate right-wing pukes here will be the
first up to the plate

How absolutely fourth-grade! Like Carnak the Magnificent, he poses the
question after the fact, and thus claims prescience. How very typical of
the breed!



Sorry, dude, but the daytime news reader/poster service I sometimes use
gets news posts on its own schedule. I had no idea *you* would be the
first right-wing puke to try to dispute the aphorisms.


Bull****!



Oh? Sorry, John, but my sometime daytime news group gatherer has a mind
of its own. Sometimes posts appear a day later than elsewhere. Sometimes
just hours later. I have no idea why.

If you think otherwise, prove it.

Maybe the army runs the newsreader...



Email sent to is never read.

Harry Krause January 29th 04 11:20 PM

Some quotes about Liberals
 
Don White wrote:

Ah ha! Now it comes out.
When John's dress uniform didn't help him getting laid, he resented the
'civvies who had no such problem.

John H wrote in message
...
On 29 Jan 2004 07:53:14 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

Snipped

. It's no surprise that liberal men are known for being ladies men who lie
to all the women to
get them in bed.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!



I've seen John; he couldn't get laid in a whorehouse if he had $200 cash
in his hand.

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John H January 30th 04 06:09 PM

Some quotes about Liberals
 
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:19:24 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:48:46 -0500 (EST), "Harry Krause"
wrote:

John Gaquin wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

So, which of the nearly illiterate right-wing pukes here will be the
first up to the plate

How absolutely fourth-grade! Like Carnak the Magnificent, he poses the
question after the fact, and thus claims prescience. How very typical of
the breed!


Sorry, dude, but the daytime news reader/poster service I sometimes use
gets news posts on its own schedule. I had no idea *you* would be the
first right-wing puke to try to dispute the aphorisms.


Bull****!



Oh? Sorry, John, but my sometime daytime news group gatherer has a mind
of its own. Sometimes posts appear a day later than elsewhere. Sometimes
just hours later. I have no idea why.

If you think otherwise, prove it.

Maybe the army runs the newsreader...



Email sent to is never read.


Re-read previous post.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

John H January 30th 04 06:11 PM

Some quotes about Liberals
 
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:17:53 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H wrote:

On 29 Jan 2004 07:53:14 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:


Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are
conservatives. John Stuart Mill


Obviously, Mr. Mill didn't spend much time in *this* newsgroup!

Give him a fish and you feed a man for a day, teach him how to fish
and you feed him for a lifetime... (A conservative) It is this, I
think, that partially differentiates Liberals and Conservatives. To
you, handouts are the way to be unselfish. To me, teaching a trade is
the way to be unselfish.

How do you define 'selfish'? Harry Krause, in an earlier post, said
that conservatives thought selfishness was the greatest good (or words
to that effect). To me, true selfishness is doing whatever is in one's
short and long term best interests. This holds for nations also. Given
this definition, selfishness *is* the greatest good.

Chew on it.




John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!



The standard definition of selfish:

Devoted to or concerned with one's own advantage or welfare to the
exclusion of regard for others.

In other words, Republicans.

BTW, you are quoting Ayn Rand there...at least her philosophy. Ann of
the Turgid Prose, as we called her in high school.


Then Ms Rand must have her head screwed on straight.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

John H January 30th 04 06:12 PM

Some quotes about Liberals
 
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:38:49 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:

Ah ha! Now it comes out.
When John's dress uniform didn't help him getting laid, he resented the
'civvies who had no such problem.

John H wrote in message
.. .
On 29 Jan 2004 07:53:14 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

Snipped

. It's no surprise that liberal men are known for being ladies men who lie
to all the women to
get them in bed.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!



****! Caught again!

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

John H January 30th 04 06:15 PM

Some quotes about Liberals
 
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:20:25 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Don White wrote:

Ah ha! Now it comes out.
When John's dress uniform didn't help him getting laid, he resented the
'civvies who had no such problem.

John H wrote in message
...
On 29 Jan 2004 07:53:14 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

Snipped

. It's no surprise that liberal men are known for being ladies men who lie
to all the women to
get them in bed.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!



I've seen John; he couldn't get laid in a whorehouse if he had $200 cash
in his hand.


Hee, hee.

Harry, Harry, Harry, you doth tempt me to no end. I remain steadfast
in my absolute refusal to enjoin you in a name-calling match. (It's
*really* tempting though!)

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Charles January 30th 04 09:38 PM

Some quotes about Liberals
 


Harry Krause wrote:


Oh? Sorry, John, but my sometime daytime news group gatherer has a mind
of its own. Sometimes posts appear a day later than elsewhere. Sometimes
just hours later. I have no idea why.

If you think otherwise, prove it.

Maybe the army runs the newsreader...



A little history here...

This is not the first time krause has gotten caught in a lie based upon
time/date stamps. But his excuse is always the same: 'It was the
software.' If memory serves me correctly another time he stated that his
computer(s) held his posts for awhile and then dumped them into usenet
at a later time.

These posts showed up in my newsreader also exactly as described and I
came to the same conclusion; krause formulated his post after seeing the
reply. Typical attempt at deceit.

There's really no reason why anyone should believe a word krause says
without some tangible collaborating evidence, and not any evidence
proffered by a sycophant of his. As the TV Judge Marilyn Milian says, "I
wouldn't believe a word you said even if your tongue came notarized."

-- Charlie


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Harry Krause January 30th 04 11:08 PM

Some quotes about Liberals
 
John H wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:19:24 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:48:46 -0500 (EST), "Harry Krause"
wrote:

John Gaquin wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

So, which of the nearly illiterate right-wing pukes here will be the
first up to the plate

How absolutely fourth-grade! Like Carnak the Magnificent, he poses the
question after the fact, and thus claims prescience. How very typical of
the breed!


Sorry, dude, but the daytime news reader/poster service I sometimes use
gets news posts on its own schedule. I had no idea *you* would be the
first right-wing puke to try to dispute the aphorisms.

Bull****!



Oh? Sorry, John, but my sometime daytime news group gatherer has a mind
of its own. Sometimes posts appear a day later than elsewhere. Sometimes
just hours later. I have no idea why.

If you think otherwise, prove it.

Maybe the army runs the newsreader...



Email sent to is never read.


Re-read previous post.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!



Well, John, since you have no idea or knowledge over the rather peculiar
news "gatherer" I use some days, your opinion is...worthless.

The service I use provides limited access to usenet through its servers.
It does not get its "feeds" automatically at frequent intervals. I've
asked the service about it once or twice, but the place is run by geeks
and they've never offered an explanation that I understand. So, I don't
worry about it.

But since your entire world is binary, black or white, I suppose you are
blind to the grey.

That's what happens when you waste your life in the military.



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John H January 30th 04 11:28 PM

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On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:08:29 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:19:24 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:48:46 -0500 (EST), "Harry Krause"
wrote:

John Gaquin wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

So, which of the nearly illiterate right-wing pukes here will be the
first up to the plate

How absolutely fourth-grade! Like Carnak the Magnificent, he poses the
question after the fact, and thus claims prescience. How very typical of
the breed!


Sorry, dude, but the daytime news reader/poster service I sometimes use
gets news posts on its own schedule. I had no idea *you* would be the
first right-wing puke to try to dispute the aphorisms.

Bull****!



Oh? Sorry, John, but my sometime daytime news group gatherer has a mind
of its own. Sometimes posts appear a day later than elsewhere. Sometimes
just hours later. I have no idea why.

If you think otherwise, prove it.

Maybe the army runs the newsreader...



Email sent to is never read.


Re-read previous post.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!



Well, John, since you have no idea or knowledge over the rather peculiar
news "gatherer" I use some days, your opinion is...worthless.

The service I use provides limited access to usenet through its servers.
It does not get its "feeds" automatically at frequent intervals. I've
asked the service about it once or twice, but the place is run by geeks
and they've never offered an explanation that I understand. So, I don't
worry about it.

But since your entire world is binary, black or white, I suppose you are
blind to the grey.

That's what happens when you waste your life in the military.


Re-read the post just prior to my previous post!

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Charles January 31st 04 03:24 AM

Some quotes about Liberals
 


Harry Krause wrote:

But since your entire world is binary, black or white, I suppose
you are blind to the grey.


That's what happens when you waste your life in the military.



You always know you're on to the truth when krause becomes vicious.

The last statement also is a grand clue that krause never served in any
military capacity for his country, though his obfuscation about it is
intended to make you think otherwise.

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-rick- January 31st 04 11:43 PM

Some quotes about Liberals
 

"John H" wrote ...

Then Ms Rand must have her head screwed on straight.


You've never read "Atlas Shrugged"?



Jim-- January 31st 04 11:49 PM

Some quotes about Liberals
 

"Charles" wrote in message
...


Harry Krause wrote:

But since your entire world is binary, black or white, I suppose
you are blind to the grey.


That's what happens when you waste your life in the military.



You always know you're on to the truth when krause becomes vicious.

The last statement also is a grand clue that krause never served in any
military capacity for his country, though his obfuscation about it is
intended to make you think otherwise.

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He once made a statement about dusting off his *uniform* during a post on or
about a Veterans Day in the recent past. When called on this he made a
statement similar to the fact that it was his "Good Humor" ice cream
uniform.



John H February 1st 04 12:28 AM

Some quotes about Liberals
 
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:49:18 -0500, "Jim--" wrote:


"Charles" wrote in message
...


Harry Krause wrote:

But since your entire world is binary, black or white, I suppose
you are blind to the grey.


That's what happens when you waste your life in the military.



You always know you're on to the truth when krause becomes vicious.

The last statement also is a grand clue that krause never served in any
military capacity for his country, though his obfuscation about it is
intended to make you think otherwise.

-- Charlie


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He once made a statement about dusting off his *uniform* during a post on or
about a Veterans Day in the recent past. When called on this he made a
statement similar to the fact that it was his "Good Humor" ice cream
uniform.

That sounds like something he'd do alright.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

John H February 1st 04 12:31 AM

Some quotes about Liberals
 
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:43:33 -0800, "-rick-" wrote:


"John H" wrote ...

Then Ms Rand must have her head screwed on straight.


You've never read "Atlas Shrugged"?


"Who was John Galt?" Was that 'Atlas Shrugged' or "The Fountainhead".
I read both, many years ago, and don't remember much of "Atlas
Shrugged" except that it was hard to get into. I enjoyed "The
Fountainhead" very much.


John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Harry Krause February 1st 04 01:07 AM

Some quotes about Liberals
 
-rick- wrote:

"John H" wrote ...

Then Ms Rand must have her head screwed on straight.


You've never read "Atlas Shrugged"?


I doubt he's read the classic comics versions of much of anything.

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basskisser February 4th 04 01:05 PM

Some quotes about Liberals
 
John H wrote in message
I've seen John; he couldn't get laid in a whorehouse if he had $200 cash
in his hand.


Hee, hee.

Harry, Harry, Harry, you doth tempt me to no end. I remain steadfast
in my absolute refusal to enjoin you in a name-calling match. (It's
*really* tempting though!)

John H


The only name he called you in the above statement was John. If you
have a problem with that, may I suggest that you quit using that as
your signature?


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