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OT--No wonder why almost our country is so screwed up.
College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds
By Howard Kurtz Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, March 29, 2005; Page C01 College faculties, long assumed to be a liberal bastion, lean further to the left than even the most conspiratorial conservatives might have imagined, a new study says. By their own description, 72 percent of those teaching at American universities and colleges are liberal and 15 percent are conservative, says the study being published this week. The imbalance is almost as striking in partisan terms, with 50 percent of the faculty members surveyed identifying themselves as Democrats and 11 percent as Republicans. The disparity is even more pronounced at the most elite schools, where, according to the study, 87 percent of faculty are liberal and 13 percent are conservative. "What's most striking is how few conservatives there are in any field," said Robert Lichter, a professor at George Mason University and a co-author of the study. "There was no field we studied in which there were more conservatives than liberals or more Republicans than Democrats. It's a very homogenous environment, not just in the places you'd expect to be dominated by liberals." Religious services take a back seat for many faculty members, with 51 percent saying they rarely or never attend church or synagogue and 31 percent calling themselves regular churchgoers. On the gender front, 72 percent of the full-time faculty are male and 28 percent female. The findings, by Lichter and fellow political science professors Stanley Rothman of Smith College and Neil Nevitte of the University of Toronto, are based on a survey of 1,643 full-time faculty at 183 four-year schools. The researchers relied on 1999 data from the North American Academic Study Survey, the most recent comprehensive data available. The study appears in the March issue of the Forum, an online political science journal. It was funded by the Randolph Foundation, a right-leaning group that has given grants to such conservative organizations as the Independent Women's Forum and Americans for Tax Reform. Rothman sees the findings as evidence of "possible discrimination" against conservatives in hiring and promotion. Even after factoring in levels of achievement, as measured by published work and organization memberships, "the most likely conclusion" is that "being conservative counts against you," he said. "It doesn't surprise me, because I've observed it happening." The study, however, describes this finding as "preliminary." When asked about the findings, Jonathan Knight, director of academic freedom and tenure for the American Association of University Professors, said, "The question is how this translates into what happens within the academic community on such issues as curriculum, admission of students, evaluation of students, evaluation of faculty for salary and promotion." Knight said he isn't aware of "any good evidence" that personal views are having an impact on campus policies. "It's hard to see that these liberal views cut very deeply into the education of students. In fact, a number of studies show the core values that students bring into the university are not very much altered by being in college." Rothman, Lichter and Nevitte find a leftward shift on campus over the past two decades. In the last major survey of college faculty, by the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching in 1984, 39 percent identified themselves as liberal. In contrast with the finding that nearly three-quarters of college faculty are liberal, a Harris Poll of the general public last year found that 33 percent describe themselves as conservative and 18 percent as liberal. The liberal label that a majority of the faculty members attached to themselves is reflected on a variety of issues. The professors and instructors surveyed are, strongly or somewhat, in favor of abortion rights (84 percent); believe homosexuality is acceptable (67 percent); and want more environmental protection "even if it raises prices or costs jobs" (88 percent). What's more, the study found, 65 percent want the government to ensure full employment, a stance to the left of the Democratic Party. Recent campus controversies have reinforced the left-wing faculty image. The University of Colorado is reviewing its tenure system after one professor, Ward Churchill, created an uproar by likening World Trade Center victims to Nazis. Harvard's faculty of arts and sciences voted no confidence in the university's president, Lawrence Summers, after he privately wondered whether women had the same natural ability as men in science and math. The study did not attempt to examine whether the political views of faculty members affect the content of their courses. The researchers say that liberals, men and non-regular churchgoers are more likely to be teaching at top schools, while conservatives, women and more religious faculty are more likely to be relegated to lower-tier colleges and universities. Top-tier schools, roughly a third of the total, are defined as highly ranked liberal arts colleges and research universities that grant PhDs. The most liberal faculties are those devoted to the humanities (81 percent) and social sciences (75 percent), according to the study. But liberals outnumbered conservatives even among engineering faculty (51 percent to 19 percent) and business faculty (49 percent to 39 percent). The most left-leaning departments are English literature, philosophy, political science and religious studies, where at least 80 percent of the faculty say they are liberal and no more than 5 percent call themselves conservative, the study says. "In general," says Lichter, who also heads the nonprofit Center for Media and Public Affairs, "even broad-minded people gravitate toward other people like themselves. That's why you need diversity, not just of race and gender but also, maybe especially, of ideas and perspective." ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I hated most of my college professors. I guess that's why I ended up as a conservative. ;-) |
No surprise there, the headline might just as well have read- "The
Smartest People in America are Liberals" heeheehee Stella NOYB wrote: College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds By Howard Kurtz Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, March 29, 2005; Page C01 College faculties, long assumed to be a liberal bastion, lean further to the left than even the most conspiratorial conservatives might have imagined, a new study says. By their own description, 72 percent of those teaching at American universities and colleges are liberal and 15 percent are conservative, says the study being published this week. The imbalance is almost as striking in partisan terms, with 50 percent of the faculty members surveyed identifying themselves as Democrats and 11 percent as Republicans. The disparity is even more pronounced at the most elite schools, where, according to the study, 87 percent of faculty are liberal and 13 percent are conservative. "What's most striking is how few conservatives there are in any field," said Robert Lichter, a professor at George Mason University and a co-author of the study. "There was no field we studied in which there were more conservatives than liberals or more Republicans than Democrats. It's a very homogenous environment, not just in the places you'd expect to be dominated by liberals." Religious services take a back seat for many faculty members, with 51 percent saying they rarely or never attend church or synagogue and 31 percent calling themselves regular churchgoers. On the gender front, 72 percent of the full-time faculty are male and 28 percent female. The findings, by Lichter and fellow political science professors Stanley Rothman of Smith College and Neil Nevitte of the University of Toronto, are based on a survey of 1,643 full-time faculty at 183 four-year schools. The researchers relied on 1999 data from the North American Academic Study Survey, the most recent comprehensive data available. The study appears in the March issue of the Forum, an online political science journal. It was funded by the Randolph Foundation, a right-leaning group that has given grants to such conservative organizations as the Independent Women's Forum and Americans for Tax Reform. Rothman sees the findings as evidence of "possible discrimination" against conservatives in hiring and promotion. Even after factoring in levels of achievement, as measured by published work and organization memberships, "the most likely conclusion" is that "being conservative counts against you," he said. "It doesn't surprise me, because I've observed it happening." The study, however, describes this finding as "preliminary." When asked about the findings, Jonathan Knight, director of academic freedom and tenure for the American Association of University Professors, said, "The question is how this translates into what happens within the academic community on such issues as curriculum, admission of students, evaluation of students, evaluation of faculty for salary and promotion." Knight said he isn't aware of "any good evidence" that personal views are having an impact on campus policies. "It's hard to see that these liberal views cut very deeply into the education of students. In fact, a number of studies show the core values that students bring into the university are not very much altered by being in college." Rothman, Lichter and Nevitte find a leftward shift on campus over the past two decades. In the last major survey of college faculty, by the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching in 1984, 39 percent identified themselves as liberal. In contrast with the finding that nearly three-quarters of college faculty are liberal, a Harris Poll of the general public last year found that 33 percent describe themselves as conservative and 18 percent as liberal. The liberal label that a majority of the faculty members attached to themselves is reflected on a variety of issues. The professors and instructors surveyed are, strongly or somewhat, in favor of abortion rights (84 percent); believe homosexuality is acceptable (67 percent); and want more environmental protection "even if it raises prices or costs jobs" (88 percent). What's more, the study found, 65 percent want the government to ensure full employment, a stance to the left of the Democratic Party. Recent campus controversies have reinforced the left-wing faculty image. The University of Colorado is reviewing its tenure system after one professor, Ward Churchill, created an uproar by likening World Trade Center victims to Nazis. Harvard's faculty of arts and sciences voted no confidence in the university's president, Lawrence Summers, after he privately wondered whether women had the same natural ability as men in science and math. The study did not attempt to examine whether the political views of faculty members affect the content of their courses. The researchers say that liberals, men and non-regular churchgoers are more likely to be teaching at top schools, while conservatives, women and more religious faculty are more likely to be relegated to lower-tier colleges and universities. Top-tier schools, roughly a third of the total, are defined as highly ranked liberal arts colleges and research universities that grant PhDs. The most liberal faculties are those devoted to the humanities (81 percent) and social sciences (75 percent), according to the study. But liberals outnumbered conservatives even among engineering faculty (51 percent to 19 percent) and business faculty (49 percent to 39 percent). The most left-leaning departments are English literature, philosophy, political science and religious studies, where at least 80 percent of the faculty say they are liberal and no more than 5 percent call themselves conservative, the study says. "In general," says Lichter, who also heads the nonprofit Center for Media and Public Affairs, "even broad-minded people gravitate toward other people like themselves. That's why you need diversity, not just of race and gender but also, maybe especially, of ideas and perspective." ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I hated most of my college professors. I guess that's why I ended up as a conservative. ;-) |
Actually is could have read....the people who can't do, teach...just like
the liberal college professors who can't make it in the real world. BTW: This was not a slam on elementary or even high school teachers. "Black Dog" wrote in message ... No surprise there, the headline might just as well have read- "The Smartest People in America are Liberals" heeheehee Stella NOYB wrote: College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds By Howard Kurtz Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, March 29, 2005; Page C01 College faculties, long assumed to be a liberal bastion, lean further to the left than even the most conspiratorial conservatives might have imagined, a new study says. By their own description, 72 percent of those teaching at American universities and colleges are liberal and 15 percent are conservative, says the study being published this week. The imbalance is almost as striking in partisan terms, with 50 percent of the faculty members surveyed identifying themselves as Democrats and 11 percent as Republicans. The disparity is even more pronounced at the most elite schools, where, according to the study, 87 percent of faculty are liberal and 13 percent are conservative. "What's most striking is how few conservatives there are in any field," said Robert Lichter, a professor at George Mason University and a co-author of the study. "There was no field we studied in which there were more conservatives than liberals or more Republicans than Democrats. It's a very homogenous environment, not just in the places you'd expect to be dominated by liberals." Religious services take a back seat for many faculty members, with 51 percent saying they rarely or never attend church or synagogue and 31 percent calling themselves regular churchgoers. On the gender front, 72 percent of the full-time faculty are male and 28 percent female. The findings, by Lichter and fellow political science professors Stanley Rothman of Smith College and Neil Nevitte of the University of Toronto, are based on a survey of 1,643 full-time faculty at 183 four-year schools. The researchers relied on 1999 data from the North American Academic Study Survey, the most recent comprehensive data available. The study appears in the March issue of the Forum, an online political science journal. It was funded by the Randolph Foundation, a right-leaning group that has given grants to such conservative organizations as the Independent Women's Forum and Americans for Tax Reform. Rothman sees the findings as evidence of "possible discrimination" against conservatives in hiring and promotion. Even after factoring in levels of achievement, as measured by published work and organization memberships, "the most likely conclusion" is that "being conservative counts against you," he said. "It doesn't surprise me, because I've observed it happening." The study, however, describes this finding as "preliminary." When asked about the findings, Jonathan Knight, director of academic freedom and tenure for the American Association of University Professors, said, "The question is how this translates into what happens within the academic community on such issues as curriculum, admission of students, evaluation of students, evaluation of faculty for salary and promotion." Knight said he isn't aware of "any good evidence" that personal views are having an impact on campus policies. "It's hard to see that these liberal views cut very deeply into the education of students. In fact, a number of studies show the core values that students bring into the university are not very much altered by being in college." Rothman, Lichter and Nevitte find a leftward shift on campus over the past two decades. In the last major survey of college faculty, by the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching in 1984, 39 percent identified themselves as liberal. In contrast with the finding that nearly three-quarters of college faculty are liberal, a Harris Poll of the general public last year found that 33 percent describe themselves as conservative and 18 percent as liberal. The liberal label that a majority of the faculty members attached to themselves is reflected on a variety of issues. The professors and instructors surveyed are, strongly or somewhat, in favor of abortion rights (84 percent); believe homosexuality is acceptable (67 percent); and want more environmental protection "even if it raises prices or costs jobs" (88 percent). What's more, the study found, 65 percent want the government to ensure full employment, a stance to the left of the Democratic Party. Recent campus controversies have reinforced the left-wing faculty image. The University of Colorado is reviewing its tenure system after one professor, Ward Churchill, created an uproar by likening World Trade Center victims to Nazis. Harvard's faculty of arts and sciences voted no confidence in the university's president, Lawrence Summers, after he privately wondered whether women had the same natural ability as men in science and math. The study did not attempt to examine whether the political views of faculty members affect the content of their courses. The researchers say that liberals, men and non-regular churchgoers are more likely to be teaching at top schools, while conservatives, women and more religious faculty are more likely to be relegated to lower-tier colleges and universities. Top-tier schools, roughly a third of the total, are defined as highly ranked liberal arts colleges and research universities that grant PhDs. The most liberal faculties are those devoted to the humanities (81 percent) and social sciences (75 percent), according to the study. But liberals outnumbered conservatives even among engineering faculty (51 percent to 19 percent) and business faculty (49 percent to 39 percent). The most left-leaning departments are English literature, philosophy, political science and religious studies, where at least 80 percent of the faculty say they are liberal and no more than 5 percent call themselves conservative, the study says. "In general," says Lichter, who also heads the nonprofit Center for Media and Public Affairs, "even broad-minded people gravitate toward other people like themselves. That's why you need diversity, not just of race and gender but also, maybe especially, of ideas and perspective." ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I hated most of my college professors. I guess that's why I ended up as a conservative. ;-) |
It's not surprising really...
The liberal professors having no real world experience of their own teach their students liberal ideas. The students who become teachers never end up going out into the REAL world and seeing why liberal ideas are so wrong and are only are engaged with the fantasy's of liberal thought that their mentors and now peers believe in. It's a vicious cycle of ignorance and arrogance. Chris |
Typical example of ignorance of the real world and real people!
This is why the left can't win an election! Chris |
"Black Dog" wrote in message ... No surprise there, the headline might just as well have read- "The Smartest People in America are Liberals" It should have read.... "Those that cannot DO, teach" heeheehee Stella NOYB wrote: College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds By Howard Kurtz Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, March 29, 2005; Page C01 College faculties, long assumed to be a liberal bastion, lean further to the left than even the most conspiratorial conservatives might have imagined, a new study says. By their own description, 72 percent of those teaching at American universities and colleges are liberal and 15 percent are conservative, says the study being published this week. The imbalance is almost as striking in partisan terms, with 50 percent of the faculty members surveyed identifying themselves as Democrats and 11 percent as Republicans. The disparity is even more pronounced at the most elite schools, where, according to the study, 87 percent of faculty are liberal and 13 percent are conservative. "What's most striking is how few conservatives there are in any field," said Robert Lichter, a professor at George Mason University and a co-author of the study. "There was no field we studied in which there were more conservatives than liberals or more Republicans than Democrats. It's a very homogenous environment, not just in the places you'd expect to be dominated by liberals." Religious services take a back seat for many faculty members, with 51 percent saying they rarely or never attend church or synagogue and 31 percent calling themselves regular churchgoers. On the gender front, 72 percent of the full-time faculty are male and 28 percent female. The findings, by Lichter and fellow political science professors Stanley Rothman of Smith College and Neil Nevitte of the University of Toronto, are based on a survey of 1,643 full-time faculty at 183 four-year schools. The researchers relied on 1999 data from the North American Academic Study Survey, the most recent comprehensive data available. The study appears in the March issue of the Forum, an online political science journal. It was funded by the Randolph Foundation, a right-leaning group that has given grants to such conservative organizations as the Independent Women's Forum and Americans for Tax Reform. Rothman sees the findings as evidence of "possible discrimination" against conservatives in hiring and promotion. Even after factoring in levels of achievement, as measured by published work and organization memberships, "the most likely conclusion" is that "being conservative counts against you," he said. "It doesn't surprise me, because I've observed it happening." The study, however, describes this finding as "preliminary." When asked about the findings, Jonathan Knight, director of academic freedom and tenure for the American Association of University Professors, said, "The question is how this translates into what happens within the academic community on such issues as curriculum, admission of students, evaluation of students, evaluation of faculty for salary and promotion." Knight said he isn't aware of "any good evidence" that personal views are having an impact on campus policies. "It's hard to see that these liberal views cut very deeply into the education of students. In fact, a number of studies show the core values that students bring into the university are not very much altered by being in college." Rothman, Lichter and Nevitte find a leftward shift on campus over the past two decades. In the last major survey of college faculty, by the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching in 1984, 39 percent identified themselves as liberal. In contrast with the finding that nearly three-quarters of college faculty are liberal, a Harris Poll of the general public last year found that 33 percent describe themselves as conservative and 18 percent as liberal. The liberal label that a majority of the faculty members attached to themselves is reflected on a variety of issues. The professors and instructors surveyed are, strongly or somewhat, in favor of abortion rights (84 percent); believe homosexuality is acceptable (67 percent); and want more environmental protection "even if it raises prices or costs jobs" (88 percent). What's more, the study found, 65 percent want the government to ensure full employment, a stance to the left of the Democratic Party. Recent campus controversies have reinforced the left-wing faculty image. The University of Colorado is reviewing its tenure system after one professor, Ward Churchill, created an uproar by likening World Trade Center victims to Nazis. Harvard's faculty of arts and sciences voted no confidence in the university's president, Lawrence Summers, after he privately wondered whether women had the same natural ability as men in science and math. The study did not attempt to examine whether the political views of faculty members affect the content of their courses. The researchers say that liberals, men and non-regular churchgoers are more likely to be teaching at top schools, while conservatives, women and more religious faculty are more likely to be relegated to lower-tier colleges and universities. Top-tier schools, roughly a third of the total, are defined as highly ranked liberal arts colleges and research universities that grant PhDs. The most liberal faculties are those devoted to the humanities (81 percent) and social sciences (75 percent), according to the study. But liberals outnumbered conservatives even among engineering faculty (51 percent to 19 percent) and business faculty (49 percent to 39 percent). The most left-leaning departments are English literature, philosophy, political science and religious studies, where at least 80 percent of the faculty say they are liberal and no more than 5 percent call themselves conservative, the study says. "In general," says Lichter, who also heads the nonprofit Center for Media and Public Affairs, "even broad-minded people gravitate toward other people like themselves. That's why you need diversity, not just of race and gender but also, maybe especially, of ideas and perspective." ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I hated most of my college professors. I guess that's why I ended up as a conservative. ;-) |
"Mule" wrote in message ups.com... It's not surprising really... The liberal professors having no real world experience of their own teach their students liberal ideas. The students who become teachers never end up going out into the REAL world and seeing why liberal ideas are so wrong and are only are engaged with the fantasy's of liberal thought that their mentors and now peers believe in. It's a vicious cycle of ignorance and arrogance. Chris Exactly......hence the saying "Those that cannot do......teach" |
"HKrause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds By Howard Kurtz Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, March 29, 2005; Page C01 College faculties, long assumed to be a liberal bastion, lean further to the left than even the most conspiratorial conservatives might have imagined, a new study says. The disparity is even more pronounced at the most elite schools, where, according to the study, 87 percent of faculty are liberal and 13 percent are conservative. The most left-leaning departments are English literature, philosophy, political science and religious studies, where at least 80 percent of the faculty say they are liberal and no more than 5 percent call themselves conservative, the study says. Well, of course, smart people hang out with each other, and especially enjoy the exchange of ideas. If you want to see conservatives exchanging ideas, go to a NASCAR race. At USF the smart people were on the HARD science side of the campus and the Liberal arts side of the campus had the most muddle headed people. For instance, my English literature professor was preaching communism in class. In her class, those of us from the Hard science side of the campus were telling her that communism wouldn't work as it went against too many imperatives built into human beings to be a workable system. Remember this was 1970 before the collapse of the communist governments. It always irked me that there were different math and science courses offered for hard science students and liberal arts students. They are called the same but the liberal arts version is MUCH easier. Same number of credit hour too but we would get zero credits for those courses for our majors. I always found that courses offered on the liberal arts side of the campus were very easy. If you look at business and Engineering Science universities the disparity drops to about 50-50. Hmmm, maybe smarter people go to those colleges. You can't bull**** a computer, machine or building and have it work. But you can bull**** people especially if they are young or believe the same bull****. |
NOYB wrote:
College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds By Howard Kurtz Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, March 29, 2005; Page C01 College faculties, long assumed to be a liberal bastion, lean further to the left than even the most conspiratorial conservatives might have imagined, a new study says. Most likely because the "conservatives," most of whom might be more accurately termed "fascists," are less and less satisfied with the real world and have imagined a right-leaning world where anti-abortion terrorists can get appointed to federal judgeships and the U.S. military can be assigned a long term mission of pointless destruction & slaughter for profit, while everybody stands around & cheers. This is why the federal gov't has to release it's own fake news. This is why the highest office holders in the land make speeches about the "fair & balanced" viewpoint of the most right-leaning news channel. All looks yellow to a jaundiced eye. DSK NOYB wrote: I hated most of my college professors. I guess that's why I ended up as a conservative. ;-) You're not conservative. You're just stupid. DSK |
HKrause wrote: Well, of course, smart people hang out with each other, and especially enjoy the exchange of ideas. So I guess by this token you would go to an English teacher for brain surgery. You are a typical liberal idiot believing in typical liberal propaganda! Look an English teacher may be an expert in his or her chosen field but on economic issues they are complete novice with no experience in the matter. In fact due to the socialized environment that they exist they are a novice for almost all issues dealing with capitalism. Please Harry try to think for yourself! Chris |
Jeff Rigby wrote:
At USF the smart people were on the HARD science side of the campus and the Liberal arts side of the campus had the most muddle headed people. And that's true on both sides of the fence. ... For instance, my English literature professor was preaching communism in class. In her class, those of us from the Hard science side of the campus were telling her that communism wouldn't work as it went against too many imperatives built into human beings to be a workable system. Did you ever stop to think that you were the student, and the teacher was the teacher? I see you began your career of big mouth & closed mind early on. It always irked me that there were different math and science courses offered for hard science students and liberal arts students. They are called the same but the liberal arts version is MUCH easier. In all the college catalogs I am aware of, they are *not* given the same designation. In fact, if the material is different then they must be named & designated differently. ... Same number of credit hour too but we would get zero credits for those courses for our majors. I always found that courses offered on the liberal arts side of the campus were very easy. In some cases yes. OTOH I remember a fellow engineer who was furious with an economics professor for giving him a GPA busting grade. The student had a childish tantrum in front of the class, yelling (among other things) that this was an easy class. However, this guy was in my study group and he just plain didn't know the material... which might not have been extremely difficult (300 level micro econ), but it certainly wasn't See Spot Run. You can't bull**** a computer, machine or building and have it work. Yep, that's why it's really stupid & short sighted to continue to apply political and religious litmus tests to political, military, & economic problems. ... But you can bull**** people especially if they are young or believe the same bull****. Which is why the Bush Administration has been able to hang on to it's power & influence. It may finally be on the wane as people are figuring out the hypocrisy & greed, but maybe not. DSK |
"Black Dog" wrote in message ... No surprise there, the headline might just as well have read- "The Smartest People in America are Liberals" If they were smart, they'd be in the real world working for a living. I believe that most choose to teach at the university level to appease a feeling of intellectual insecurity. If it were purely about educating today's young minds for tomorrow, they'd be teaching elementary school math and english. |
"HKrause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds By Howard Kurtz Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, March 29, 2005; Page C01 College faculties, long assumed to be a liberal bastion, lean further to the left than even the most conspiratorial conservatives might have imagined, a new study says. By their own description, 72 percent of those teaching at American universities and colleges are liberal and 15 percent are conservative, says the study being published this week. The imbalance is almost as striking in partisan terms, with 50 percent of the faculty members surveyed identifying themselves as Democrats and 11 percent as Republicans. The disparity is even more pronounced at the most elite schools, where, according to the study, 87 percent of faculty are liberal and 13 percent are conservative. "What's most striking is how few conservatives there are in any field," said Robert Lichter, a professor at George Mason University and a co-author of the study. "There was no field we studied in which there were more conservatives than liberals or more Republicans than Democrats. It's a very homogenous environment, not just in the places you'd expect to be dominated by liberals." Religious services take a back seat for many faculty members, with 51 percent saying they rarely or never attend church or synagogue and 31 percent calling themselves regular churchgoers. On the gender front, 72 percent of the full-time faculty are male and 28 percent female. The findings, by Lichter and fellow political science professors Stanley Rothman of Smith College and Neil Nevitte of the University of Toronto, are based on a survey of 1,643 full-time faculty at 183 four-year schools. The researchers relied on 1999 data from the North American Academic Study Survey, the most recent comprehensive data available. The study appears in the March issue of the Forum, an online political science journal. It was funded by the Randolph Foundation, a right-leaning group that has given grants to such conservative organizations as the Independent Women's Forum and Americans for Tax Reform. Rothman sees the findings as evidence of "possible discrimination" against conservatives in hiring and promotion. Even after factoring in levels of achievement, as measured by published work and organization memberships, "the most likely conclusion" is that "being conservative counts against you," he said. "It doesn't surprise me, because I've observed it happening." The study, however, describes this finding as "preliminary." When asked about the findings, Jonathan Knight, director of academic freedom and tenure for the American Association of University Professors, said, "The question is how this translates into what happens within the academic community on such issues as curriculum, admission of students, evaluation of students, evaluation of faculty for salary and promotion." Knight said he isn't aware of "any good evidence" that personal views are having an impact on campus policies. "It's hard to see that these liberal views cut very deeply into the education of students. In fact, a number of studies show the core values that students bring into the university are not very much altered by being in college." Rothman, Lichter and Nevitte find a leftward shift on campus over the past two decades. In the last major survey of college faculty, by the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching in 1984, 39 percent identified themselves as liberal. In contrast with the finding that nearly three-quarters of college faculty are liberal, a Harris Poll of the general public last year found that 33 percent describe themselves as conservative and 18 percent as liberal. The liberal label that a majority of the faculty members attached to themselves is reflected on a variety of issues. The professors and instructors surveyed are, strongly or somewhat, in favor of abortion rights (84 percent); believe homosexuality is acceptable (67 percent); and want more environmental protection "even if it raises prices or costs jobs" (88 percent). What's more, the study found, 65 percent want the government to ensure full employment, a stance to the left of the Democratic Party. Recent campus controversies have reinforced the left-wing faculty image. The University of Colorado is reviewing its tenure system after one professor, Ward Churchill, created an uproar by likening World Trade Center victims to Nazis. Harvard's faculty of arts and sciences voted no confidence in the university's president, Lawrence Summers, after he privately wondered whether women had the same natural ability as men in science and math. The study did not attempt to examine whether the political views of faculty members affect the content of their courses. The researchers say that liberals, men and non-regular churchgoers are more likely to be teaching at top schools, while conservatives, women and more religious faculty are more likely to be relegated to lower-tier colleges and universities. Top-tier schools, roughly a third of the total, are defined as highly ranked liberal arts colleges and research universities that grant PhDs. The most liberal faculties are those devoted to the humanities (81 percent) and social sciences (75 percent), according to the study. But liberals outnumbered conservatives even among engineering faculty (51 percent to 19 percent) and business faculty (49 percent to 39 percent). The most left-leaning departments are English literature, philosophy, political science and religious studies, where at least 80 percent of the faculty say they are liberal and no more than 5 percent call themselves conservative, the study says. "In general," says Lichter, who also heads the nonprofit Center for Media and Public Affairs, "even broad-minded people gravitate toward other people like themselves. That's why you need diversity, not just of race and gender but also, maybe especially, of ideas and perspective." Well, of course, smart people hang out with each other, and especially enjoy the exchange of ideas. If you want to see conservatives exchanging ideas, go to a NASCAR race. I've been to one NASCAR race (Brickyard 400) in my life, but never my gaze never left the infield. The only reason that I knew cars were running around the track is because they're louder than hell each time they pass. |
"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message ... "HKrause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds By Howard Kurtz Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, March 29, 2005; Page C01 College faculties, long assumed to be a liberal bastion, lean further to the left than even the most conspiratorial conservatives might have imagined, a new study says. The disparity is even more pronounced at the most elite schools, where, according to the study, 87 percent of faculty are liberal and 13 percent are conservative. The most left-leaning departments are English literature, philosophy, political science and religious studies, where at least 80 percent of the faculty say they are liberal and no more than 5 percent call themselves conservative, the study says. Well, of course, smart people hang out with each other, and especially enjoy the exchange of ideas. If you want to see conservatives exchanging ideas, go to a NASCAR race. At USF the smart people were on the HARD science side of the campus and the Liberal arts side of the campus had the most muddle headed people. For instance, my English literature professor was preaching communism in class. In her class, those of us from the Hard science side of the campus were telling her that communism wouldn't work as it went against too many imperatives built into human beings to be a workable system. Remember this was 1970 before the collapse of the communist governments. It always irked me that there were different math and science courses offered for hard science students and liberal arts students. They are called the same but the liberal arts version is MUCH easier. Good examples are physics, calculus, and especially anatomy. We had a degree program at Purdue called Mechanical Engineering Technology. The course names and descriptions were very similar to the ones that I took in the bachelor of science in Mechanical Engineering program, but the actual material and level of difficulty couldn't have been more different. Most of their texts one the same ones I used in high school physics. Same number of credit hour too but we would get zero credits for those courses for our majors. I always found that courses offered on the liberal arts side of the campus were very easy. Me too. |
"DSK" wrote in message ... Jeff Rigby wrote: At USF the smart people were on the HARD science side of the campus and the Liberal arts side of the campus had the most muddle headed people. And that's true on both sides of the fence. ... For instance, my English literature professor was preaching communism in class. In her class, those of us from the Hard science side of the campus were telling her that communism wouldn't work as it went against too many imperatives built into human beings to be a workable system. Did you ever stop to think that you were the student, and the teacher was the teacher? I see you began your career of big mouth & closed mind early on. Actually I was kinda timid at that time and only offered a couple of examples. We were very polite to the ENGLISH teacher only trying to correct her thinking when she drifted off her JOB and into her pet philosiphies. Most of us were afraid of being given a lower grade if we disagreed with her too strenuously. It always irked me that there were different math and science courses offered for hard science students and liberal arts students. They are called the same but the liberal arts version is MUCH easier. In all the college catalogs I am aware of, they are *not* given the same designation. In fact, if the material is different then they must be named & designated differently. Nope the name was the same but there was, If I remember correctly, a letter difference in the designation. Like calculus 101 and 101E and Chemistry 101 and 101E. ... Same number of credit hour too but we would get zero credits for those courses for our majors. I always found that courses offered on the liberal arts side of the campus were very easy. In some cases yes. OTOH I remember a fellow engineer who was furious with an economics professor for giving him a GPA busting grade. The student had a childish tantrum in front of the class, yelling (among other things) that this was an easy class. However, this guy was in my study group and he just plain didn't know the material... which might not have been extremely difficult (300 level micro econ), but it certainly wasn't See Spot Run. You can't bull**** a computer, machine or building and have it work. Yep, that's why it's really stupid & short sighted to continue to apply political and religious litmus tests to political, military, & economic problems. That's true for both sides, but I tend to hear more of that type of behavior from the left. We know that the world is not a simple place with simple solutions. Polititions on both sides try to polerize issues into simple (for the public) to understand "sound bites". The problem is that the liberal academics are teaching young people based on those sound bites. The Issue with the English teacher and communisum is a perfect example. She believed in the "perfect solution" offered by communisum, that all would be fed and none would lack. The problem is in the implementation, they never look at the big picture. ... But you can bull**** people especially if they are young or believe the same bull****. Which is why the Bush Administration has been able to hang on to it's power & influence. It may finally be on the wane as people are figuring out the hypocrisy & greed, but maybe not. DSK It is on it's way out. But only because it's hard and expensive being the good guy. We will back out after the new guy is elected and force others to shoulder their fair share and they will weasel out of it after giving lip service and in a decade we will be back to square one again. |
You can't bull**** a computer, machine or building and have it work.
Yep, that's why it's really stupid & short sighted to continue to apply political and religious litmus tests to political, military, & economic problems. Jeff Rigby wrote: That's true for both sides, but I tend to hear more of that type of behavior from the left. Probably because that's the only place you look for it. We know that the world is not a simple place with simple solutions. Polititions on both sides try to polerize issues into simple (for the public) to understand "sound bites". And the worst politicians demonize the opposing side, and play the divide-and-conquer game. This is what's going on now. ...The problem is that the liberal academics are teaching young people based on those sound bites. Given the results of recent elections and polls, clearly it's not working. DSK |
This is why the left can't win an election! Chris There's some specious reasoning for you. |
How so? The smart people are out earning the big bucks instead of being
holed up in a ivory tower. "Black Dog" wrote in message ... No surprise there, the headline might just as well have read- "The Smartest People in America are Liberals" heeheehee Stella NOYB wrote: College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds By Howard Kurtz Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, March 29, 2005; Page C01 College faculties, long assumed to be a liberal bastion, lean further to the left than even the most conspiratorial conservatives might have imagined, a new study says. By their own description, 72 percent of those teaching at American universities and colleges are liberal and 15 percent are conservative, says the study being published this week. The imbalance is almost as striking in partisan terms, with 50 percent of the faculty members surveyed identifying themselves as Democrats and 11 percent as Republicans. The disparity is even more pronounced at the most elite schools, where, according to the study, 87 percent of faculty are liberal and 13 percent are conservative. "What's most striking is how few conservatives there are in any field," said Robert Lichter, a professor at George Mason University and a co-author of the study. "There was no field we studied in which there were more conservatives than liberals or more Republicans than Democrats. It's a very homogenous environment, not just in the places you'd expect to be dominated by liberals." Religious services take a back seat for many faculty members, with 51 percent saying they rarely or never attend church or synagogue and 31 percent calling themselves regular churchgoers. On the gender front, 72 percent of the full-time faculty are male and 28 percent female. The findings, by Lichter and fellow political science professors Stanley Rothman of Smith College and Neil Nevitte of the University of Toronto, are based on a survey of 1,643 full-time faculty at 183 four-year schools. The researchers relied on 1999 data from the North American Academic Study Survey, the most recent comprehensive data available. The study appears in the March issue of the Forum, an online political science journal. It was funded by the Randolph Foundation, a right-leaning group that has given grants to such conservative organizations as the Independent Women's Forum and Americans for Tax Reform. Rothman sees the findings as evidence of "possible discrimination" against conservatives in hiring and promotion. Even after factoring in levels of achievement, as measured by published work and organization memberships, "the most likely conclusion" is that "being conservative counts against you," he said. "It doesn't surprise me, because I've observed it happening." The study, however, describes this finding as "preliminary." When asked about the findings, Jonathan Knight, director of academic freedom and tenure for the American Association of University Professors, said, "The question is how this translates into what happens within the academic community on such issues as curriculum, admission of students, evaluation of students, evaluation of faculty for salary and promotion." Knight said he isn't aware of "any good evidence" that personal views are having an impact on campus policies. "It's hard to see that these liberal views cut very deeply into the education of students. In fact, a number of studies show the core values that students bring into the university are not very much altered by being in college." Rothman, Lichter and Nevitte find a leftward shift on campus over the past two decades. In the last major survey of college faculty, by the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching in 1984, 39 percent identified themselves as liberal. In contrast with the finding that nearly three-quarters of college faculty are liberal, a Harris Poll of the general public last year found that 33 percent describe themselves as conservative and 18 percent as liberal. The liberal label that a majority of the faculty members attached to themselves is reflected on a variety of issues. The professors and instructors surveyed are, strongly or somewhat, in favor of abortion rights (84 percent); believe homosexuality is acceptable (67 percent); and want more environmental protection "even if it raises prices or costs jobs" (88 percent). What's more, the study found, 65 percent want the government to ensure full employment, a stance to the left of the Democratic Party. Recent campus controversies have reinforced the left-wing faculty image. The University of Colorado is reviewing its tenure system after one professor, Ward Churchill, created an uproar by likening World Trade Center victims to Nazis. Harvard's faculty of arts and sciences voted no confidence in the university's president, Lawrence Summers, after he privately wondered whether women had the same natural ability as men in science and math. The study did not attempt to examine whether the political views of faculty members affect the content of their courses. The researchers say that liberals, men and non-regular churchgoers are more likely to be teaching at top schools, while conservatives, women and more religious faculty are more likely to be relegated to lower-tier colleges and universities. Top-tier schools, roughly a third of the total, are defined as highly ranked liberal arts colleges and research universities that grant PhDs. The most liberal faculties are those devoted to the humanities (81 percent) and social sciences (75 percent), according to the study. But liberals outnumbered conservatives even among engineering faculty (51 percent to 19 percent) and business faculty (49 percent to 39 percent). The most left-leaning departments are English literature, philosophy, political science and religious studies, where at least 80 percent of the faculty say they are liberal and no more than 5 percent call themselves conservative, the study says. "In general," says Lichter, who also heads the nonprofit Center for Media and Public Affairs, "even broad-minded people gravitate toward other people like themselves. That's why you need diversity, not just of race and gender but also, maybe especially, of ideas and perspective." ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I hated most of my college professors. I guess that's why I ended up as a conservative. ;-) |
"HKrause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds By Howard Kurtz Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, March 29, 2005; Page C01 Well, of course, smart people hang out with each other, and especially enjoy the exchange of ideas. If you want to see conservatives exchanging ideas, go to a NASCAR race. I'll bet you find more millionaires attending NASCAR races than liberal or progressive speeches. |
""""'Isn't that wonderful. Who gives a crap about millionaires? You? Not
me.""'""" hmmmm,, then why you portrait yourself to be such a millionaire there krause??? I mean you claim to own all this land and all these boats and businesses,, your buddy carter claimed to be a millionaire and although even retired still has 6 figure income yet he has to sell his boat again this year. lol,,, you fools keep claiming you are millionaires or belong to the millionaire club then you say who gives a crap about millionaires,,, lol,,,,gees,,, you puppets and master are more confused than a termite in yo-yo "HaKrause" wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:27:54 -0500, "Bert Robbins" wrote: "HKrause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds By Howard Kurtz Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, March 29, 2005; Page C01 Well, of course, smart people hang out with each other, and especially enjoy the exchange of ideas. If you want to see conservatives exchanging ideas, go to a NASCAR race. I'll bet you find more millionaires attending NASCAR races than liberal or progressive speeches. Isn't that wonderful. Who gives a crap about millionaires? You? Not me. |
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:21:03 -0500, HaKrause wrote:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:27:54 -0500, "Bert Robbins" wrote: "HKrause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds By Howard Kurtz Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, March 29, 2005; Page C01 Well, of course, smart people hang out with each other, and especially enjoy the exchange of ideas. If you want to see conservatives exchanging ideas, go to a NASCAR race. I'll bet you find more millionaires attending NASCAR races than liberal or progressive speeches. Isn't that wonderful. Who gives a crap about millionaires? You? Not me. Another name to filter? Jeez. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"HaKrause" wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:27:54 -0500, "Bert Robbins" wrote: "HKrause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds By Howard Kurtz Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, March 29, 2005; Page C01 Well, of course, smart people hang out with each other, and especially enjoy the exchange of ideas. If you want to see conservatives exchanging ideas, go to a NASCAR race. I'll bet you find more millionaires attending NASCAR races than liberal or progressive speeches. Isn't that wonderful. Who gives a crap about millionaires? You? Not me. You care more about millionaires than anyone else on the group. You tout your 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta' boat, the houses you are building in So. MD. Also, you need the rich in order to have someone to hate. |
NOYB wrote: I hated most of my college professors. I guess that's why I ended up as a conservative. ;-) And the used car salesman of the medical field, fleecing retirees. |
Gary wrote:
This is why the left can't win an election! Chris There's some specious reasoning for you. Sorry Gary.... But I forgot to add Krause's condescending remark about liberals on college campus's and conservatives being at Nascar when I posted. So with that now being explained to you about the elitist attitudes of the left, I again say.... This is why the left can't win elections! |
HKrause wrote: NOYB wrote: "Black Dog" wrote in message ... No surprise there, the headline might just as well have read- "The Smartest People in America are Liberals" If they were smart, they'd be in the real world working for a living. I believe that most choose to teach at the university level to appease a feeling of intellectual insecurity. \ Giggle. That's our NOYB!!! Tries and tries to make everyone here think he is superior, then slams teachers, saying they are trying the very same thing!! |
"DSK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds By Howard Kurtz Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, March 29, 2005; Page C01 College faculties, long assumed to be a liberal bastion, lean further to the left than even the most conspiratorial conservatives might have imagined, a new study says. Most likely because the "conservatives," most of whom might be more accurately termed "fascists," are less and less satisfied with the real world and have imagined a right-leaning world where anti-abortion terrorists can get appointed to federal judgeships and the U.S. military can be assigned a long term mission of pointless destruction & slaughter for profit, while everybody stands around & cheers. This is why the federal gov't has to release it's own fake news. This is why the highest office holders in the land make speeches about the "fair & balanced" viewpoint of the most right-leaning news channel. All looks yellow to a jaundiced eye. DSK You read like you have been punched in the eye alot. Is this because of your abrasive personality. You jump to conclusions, assume motives that arn't there etc. What happened to you to make you this hostile? IF you READ the article the colleges that have a better balanced facility, that teach both liberal arts and Science have a mix that is more like what we see in the general population 50-50. My personal opinion is that the liberal arts side takes things generally on faith, or the way they would like things to be and the science side questions and takes nothing on faith. This usually means that the science side of the campus is more conservative. It doesn't mean that they are Republican. I've had this discussion with Harry, he seems to have the same viewpoints but is slightly less hostile. IF you understand that the right and the left have the same endgame, that the methods used to achieve these ends is the difference between the two then you begin to understand. Politics is the art of compromise, it's also the art of polarization. That's what you have fallen victim to, you have been made to feel that there are two sides, a right one and a wrong one. It's not that simple. Those on the right are not all evil as those on the left are not all unthinking. The extremes on both sides are reactionary and unthinking, victims of politics. |
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