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To whom are you addressing this?
********** The the party who said Terry S. has been "sentenced to die." If death can be identified as the moment when the personality, intellect, emotions, and everything that makes one a human being, rather than a snail or a polliwog, is no longer associated with the body then Terry S. died 15 years ago. Medical science can keep her body functioning almost indefinitely, but I'd like to think that a merciful God would have picked up his child from that dysfunctional daycare years and years ago. Terri is long gone. Do we keep supplying utilities to her vacant house? Nah. One cannot be "sentenced to die" when already dead. I am anti abortion, and very skeptical about euthenasia. Abortion snuffs a real or developing life (depending on perspective) and euthenasia is wrong if it is against the patient's wishes or there is a potential for the restoration of at least a minimally functional person. Neither applies in the sad, sad, case of this poor, brain dead woman. No blood to the cerebral cortex will kill you almost right away. No blood to to cerebral cortex for 15 years? That's beyond hope. |
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wrote in message oups.com... but also of the death sentence of just handed down to Terri Shiavo. *********** According to all medical evidence, the light's on, but nobody's home. The body can function if kept alive by artificial means, but the human being died 15 years ago. You often express opinions consistent with fundamental Christianity, is there no comfort in your thought that she's on a cloud, playing a harp, and watching all of this play out over her empty shell with just a bit of a sad, wry smile? NPR interview yesterday with a doctor who's considered one of the country's foremost experts on head injuries. He said that when the damage is the result of impact, like falls or car accidents, the chances for recovery from a vegetative state are pretty good, and predictable. But, when based on oxygen deprivation or chemical damage, prospects are lousy. It's funny how some people can't accept what doctors know about this woman's condition, but they're OK with meddling by a president whose condition is pretty much identical, except that he can be propped up behind a podium and programmed to say things when necessary. |
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:37:20 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: wrote in message roups.com... but also of the death sentence of just handed down to Terri Shiavo. *********** According to all medical evidence, the light's on, but nobody's home. The body can function if kept alive by artificial means, but the human being died 15 years ago. You often express opinions consistent with fundamental Christianity, is there no comfort in your thought that she's on a cloud, playing a harp, and watching all of this play out over her empty shell with just a bit of a sad, wry smile? NPR interview yesterday with a doctor who's considered one of the country's foremost experts on head injuries. He said that when the damage is the result of impact, like falls or car accidents, the chances for recovery from a vegetative state are pretty good, and predictable. But, when based on oxygen deprivation or chemical damage, prospects are lousy. It's funny how some people can't accept what doctors know about this woman's condition, but they're OK with meddling by a president whose condition is pretty much identical, except that he can be propped up behind a podium and programmed to say things when necessary. On the other hand, Hannity had some doctor who had been nominated for a Nobel Prize (if that means anything) who stated that her chances of recovery were good, with the proper treatment. Which doctor(s) does one believe? I would probably agree with the NPR doctor, but again, that's based only on what I've heard or seen. Except for NYOB, who sticks needles into people's cortex for the fun of it, who knows (besides The Shadow, that is)? -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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"John H" wrote in message ... On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:37:20 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: wrote in message groups.com... but also of the death sentence of just handed down to Terri Shiavo. *********** According to all medical evidence, the light's on, but nobody's home. The body can function if kept alive by artificial means, but the human being died 15 years ago. You often express opinions consistent with fundamental Christianity, is there no comfort in your thought that she's on a cloud, playing a harp, and watching all of this play out over her empty shell with just a bit of a sad, wry smile? NPR interview yesterday with a doctor who's considered one of the country's foremost experts on head injuries. He said that when the damage is the result of impact, like falls or car accidents, the chances for recovery from a vegetative state are pretty good, and predictable. But, when based on oxygen deprivation or chemical damage, prospects are lousy. It's funny how some people can't accept what doctors know about this woman's condition, but they're OK with meddling by a president whose condition is pretty much identical, except that he can be propped up behind a podium and programmed to say things when necessary. On the other hand, Hannity had some doctor who had been nominated for a Nobel Prize (if that means anything) who stated that her chances of recovery were good, with the proper treatment. Then again, there are doctors who know when it's time to stop playing god, and satisfying their need to become famous, rather than serve their customers. |
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:45:44 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:37:20 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: wrote in message egroups.com... but also of the death sentence of just handed down to Terri Shiavo. *********** According to all medical evidence, the light's on, but nobody's home. The body can function if kept alive by artificial means, but the human being died 15 years ago. You often express opinions consistent with fundamental Christianity, is there no comfort in your thought that she's on a cloud, playing a harp, and watching all of this play out over her empty shell with just a bit of a sad, wry smile? NPR interview yesterday with a doctor who's considered one of the country's foremost experts on head injuries. He said that when the damage is the result of impact, like falls or car accidents, the chances for recovery from a vegetative state are pretty good, and predictable. But, when based on oxygen deprivation or chemical damage, prospects are lousy. It's funny how some people can't accept what doctors know about this woman's condition, but they're OK with meddling by a president whose condition is pretty much identical, except that he can be propped up behind a podium and programmed to say things when necessary. On the other hand, Hannity had some doctor who had been nominated for a Nobel Prize (if that means anything) who stated that her chances of recovery were good, with the proper treatment. Then again, there are doctors who know when it's time to stop playing god, and satisfying their need to become famous, rather than serve their customers. Agreed. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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wrote in message oups.com... To whom are you addressing this? ********** The the party who said Terry S. has been "sentenced to die." If death can be identified as the moment when the personality, intellect, emotions, and everything that makes one a human being, rather than a snail or a polliwog, is no longer associated with the body then Terry S. died 15 years ago. Medical science can keep her body functioning almost indefinitely, but I'd like to think that a merciful God would have picked up his child from that dysfunctional daycare years and years ago. Terri is long gone. Do we keep supplying utilities to her vacant house? Nah. One cannot be "sentenced to die" when already dead. I am anti abortion, and very skeptical about euthenasia. Abortion snuffs a real or developing life (depending on perspective) and euthenasia is wrong if it is against the patient's wishes or there is a potential for the restoration of at least a minimally functional person. Neither applies in the sad, sad, case of this poor, brain dead woman. No blood to the cerebral cortex will kill you almost right away. No blood to to cerebral cortex for 15 years? That's beyond hope. Well said. Some "Experts" say she could be rehabilitated somewhat. 15 years, no way. The politico's are just pandering to their voter base. |
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Best quote I've seen:
"Her heart failure deprived her Cerebral Cortex of oxygen causing it to die. The dead brain cells were absorbed into her system and replaced with cerebral fluid. So we don't have a case where there is a brain that might suddenly kick into life and she recovers. The brain is gone... absent... a void. Her recovery, assuming brains are important, would require divine intervention and creation of a new brain. Some day they may be able to transplant a new brain... but then there would be someone else in her head. She's dead and they are keeping her body alive artificially to play with and pretend it's their daughter. This is not only wrong in many ways, it's macabre... like the movie Psycho." "John H" wrote in message ... On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:37:20 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... but also of the death sentence of just handed down to Terri Shiavo. *********** According to all medical evidence, the light's on, but nobody's home. The body can function if kept alive by artificial means, but the human being died 15 years ago. You often express opinions consistent with fundamental Christianity, is there no comfort in your thought that she's on a cloud, playing a harp, and watching all of this play out over her empty shell with just a bit of a sad, wry smile? NPR interview yesterday with a doctor who's considered one of the country's foremost experts on head injuries. He said that when the damage is the result of impact, like falls or car accidents, the chances for recovery from a vegetative state are pretty good, and predictable. But, when based on oxygen deprivation or chemical damage, prospects are lousy. It's funny how some people can't accept what doctors know about this woman's condition, but they're OK with meddling by a president whose condition is pretty much identical, except that he can be propped up behind a podium and programmed to say things when necessary. On the other hand, Hannity had some doctor who had been nominated for a Nobel Prize (if that means anything) who stated that her chances of recovery were good, with the proper treatment. Which doctor(s) does one believe? I would probably agree with the NPR doctor, but again, that's based only on what I've heard or seen. Except for NYOB, who sticks needles into people's cortex for the fun of it, who knows (besides The Shadow, that is)? -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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"John H" wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:51:19 GMT, "Jim," wrote: Just like countless other families, the family of Terri Schiavo has struggled for years with the intensely difficult decision of how to match her course of treatment to her wishes. Now President George W. Bush, Rep. Tom DeLay (R-TX) and Sen. Bill Frist (R-TN) are using the tragic case of Schiavo You seem to totally disregard the Democrats who voted for the measure (in the House) or allowed the measure to pass *without* objection in the Senate. Any good reason for that? -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Take a listen to the Suzanne and Bobby Schindler interviews on this site: http://www.glennbeck.com/audio/free-audio.shtml Maybe then you can see a different perspective of what this is all about. There is more to this sad story than you think. Something is rotten in Denmark. |
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