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These boats are just gorgeous, and the 14-footer is a perfect rower.
I've had the pleasure of borrowing one for a day on Rockhold Creek and
it was a dream to row.

http://www.whitehallrow.com/



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About 7 or 8 years ago a co-worker had a mold and built two or three of this
style boat...18 foot version.
I almost ordered one, and at $2k Cdn it would have been a steal.
Peter was trying to modify the rowing version to sail and took me out to
show it off.
We started off in the very narrow Herring Cove where he lived and had to
tack about a dozen times to get out to the main harbour. At the time he had
the boom too low and I had to flatten myself on the seat in order for it to
pass over me.
By the time we got out to Chebucto Head and open ocean the swells were about
5 or 6 feet. The boat and Peter were fine but I was over the side feeding
the fishes. We got caught in a brief shower, so I just layed on the seat
sipping gingerale.
Peter made sure everyone at work knew about my condition...grrrrrr.
Peter was quite excited about that style of boat and loved the 'wine glass'
transom. Reminded him of the row boats carried on the 19th century British
sailing warships.

Harry Krause wrote in message
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These boats are just gorgeous, and the 14-footer is a perfect rower.
I've had the pleasure of borrowing one for a day on Rockhold Creek and
it was a dream to row.

http://www.whitehallrow.com/



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Don White wrote:

About 7 or 8 years ago a co-worker had a mold and built two or three of this
style boat...18 foot version.
I almost ordered one, and at $2k Cdn it would have been a steal.
Peter was trying to modify the rowing version to sail and took me out to
show it off.
We started off in the very narrow Herring Cove where he lived and had to
tack about a dozen times to get out to the main harbour. At the time he had
the boom too low and I had to flatten myself on the seat in order for it to
pass over me.
By the time we got out to Chebucto Head and open ocean the swells were about
5 or 6 feet. The boat and Peter were fine but I was over the side feeding
the fishes. We got caught in a brief shower, so I just layed on the seat
sipping gingerale.
Peter made sure everyone at work knew about my condition...grrrrrr.
Peter was quite excited about that style of boat and loved the 'wine glass'
transom. Reminded him of the row boats carried on the 19th century British
sailing warships.

Harry Krause wrote in message
...
These boats are just gorgeous, and the 14-footer is a perfect rower.
I've had the pleasure of borrowing one for a day on Rockhold Creek and
it was a dream to row.

http://www.whitehallrow.com/



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As a little sailing boat, well, I dunno. But as a rower, it looks pretty
sweet. I also like 12' and 14' Amesbury dories for rowing, especially
the 12-footer.

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Harry Krause wrote:

These boats are just gorgeous, and the 14-footer is a perfect rower.
I've had the pleasure of borrowing one for a day on Rockhold Creek and
it was a dream to row.

http://www.whitehallrow.com/

Why so heavy? A 14 footer weight over 200# is a PITA to handle. It could
be built lighter out of wood.... or maybe it's the wood trim in that nice
looking but very dense stuff that adds so much weight.

I'm planning to build a tender for our trawler that will have the same
classic looks as a Whitehall (which is actually a type of wherry, not a
dory) but will be a one-hand job to lift & carry.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:08:04 -0500, DSK wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

These boats are just gorgeous, and the 14-footer is a perfect rower.
I've had the pleasure of borrowing one for a day on Rockhold Creek and
it was a dream to row.

http://www.whitehallrow.com/

Why so heavy? A 14 footer weight over 200# is a PITA to handle. It could
be built lighter out of wood.... or maybe it's the wood trim in that nice
looking but very dense stuff that adds so much weight.

I'm planning to build a tender for our trawler that will have the same
classic looks as a Whitehall (which is actually a type of wherry, not a
dory) but will be a one-hand job to lift & carry.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Tell us more about your trawler. I looked for it at Lee's site, but
couldn't't find a picture of it.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

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DSK wrote in message ...
Harry Krause wrote:

These boats are just gorgeous, and the 14-footer is a perfect rower.
I've had the pleasure of borrowing one for a day on Rockhold Creek and
it was a dream to row.

http://www.whitehallrow.com/

Why so heavy? A 14 footer weight over 200# is a PITA to handle. It could
be built lighter out of wood.... or maybe it's the wood trim in that nice
looking but very dense stuff that adds so much weight.

I'm planning to build a tender for our trawler that will have the same
classic looks as a Whitehall (which is actually a type of wherry, not a
dory) but will be a one-hand job to lift & carry.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


The weight is essential to a boat of this shape and size performing
properly. Like a Dory, you do not want to substitute lighter materials
for traditional designs...

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John H wrote:

Tell us more about your trawler. I looked for it at Lee's site, but
couldn't't find a picture of it.

Since I've been more active here lately, I sent in a pic to Lee but apparently
he hasn't posted it yet. But I have several pages of pics

http://community.webshots.com/album/63279185YQtgSA

It's very similar to Chuck's trawler... I prefer to call it a tugboat,
actually. The idea is comfort and so far, it's delivered the goods (with
temporary exceptions for necessary boat-work).


Backyard Renegade wrote:

The weight is essential to a boat of this shape and size performing
properly. Like a Dory, you do not want to substitute lighter materials
for traditional designs...

Baloney. The only vehicle that benefits from added weight is a steamroller.
Lighter sailboats are faster all around, and are better handling, and in small
sizes the difference in roll/picth/heave acceleration (or 'the comfort index'
if you like) is trivial. As for rowing, if lighter wasn't better then they
would be adding lead to racing shells, canoes, and kayaks, which so far does
not seem to be a trend.

I refer you to Bolger's legendary "Gloucester Gull" dory, one of the early
modernizations of traditional small boat design.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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Doug,

Very nice boat! What sort of seas can it handle comfortably?

Dan


DSK wrote:
John H wrote:


Tell us more about your trawler. I looked for it at Lee's site, but
couldn't't find a picture of it.


Since I've been more active here lately, I sent in a pic to Lee but apparently
he hasn't posted it yet. But I have several pages of pics

http://community.webshots.com/album/63279185YQtgSA

It's very similar to Chuck's trawler... I prefer to call it a tugboat,
actually. The idea is comfort and so far, it's delivered the goods (with
temporary exceptions for necessary boat-work).


Backyard Renegade wrote:


The weight is essential to a boat of this shape and size performing
properly. Like a Dory, you do not want to substitute lighter materials
for traditional designs...


Baloney. The only vehicle that benefits from added weight is a steamroller.
Lighter sailboats are faster all around, and are better handling, and in small
sizes the difference in roll/picth/heave acceleration (or 'the comfort index'
if you like) is trivial. As for rowing, if lighter wasn't better then they
would be adding lead to racing shells, canoes, and kayaks, which so far does
not seem to be a trend.

I refer you to Bolger's legendary "Gloucester Gull" dory, one of the early
modernizations of traditional small boat design.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Best looking little rowers...
 

On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:09:08 -0500, DSK wrote:

John H wrote:

Tell us more about your trawler. I looked for it at Lee's site, but
couldn't't find a picture of it.

Since I've been more active here lately, I sent in a pic to Lee but apparently
he hasn't posted it yet. But I have several pages of pics

http://community.webshots.com/album/63279185YQtgSA

It's very similar to Chuck's trawler... I prefer to call it a tugboat,
actually. The idea is comfort and so far, it's delivered the goods (with
temporary exceptions for necessary boat-work).


Backyard Renegade wrote:

The weight is essential to a boat of this shape and size performing
properly. Like a Dory, you do not want to substitute lighter materials
for traditional designs...

Baloney. The only vehicle that benefits from added weight is a steamroller.
Lighter sailboats are faster all around, and are better handling, and in small
sizes the difference in roll/picth/heave acceleration (or 'the comfort index'
if you like) is trivial. As for rowing, if lighter wasn't better then they
would be adding lead to racing shells, canoes, and kayaks, which so far does
not seem to be a trend.

I refer you to Bolger's legendary "Gloucester Gull" dory, one of the early
modernizations of traditional small boat design.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Whether you call it a tugboat or trawler, it is a thing of beauty!

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Best looking little rowers...
 

DSK wrote in message


Backyard Renegade wrote:

The weight is essential to a boat of this shape and size performing
properly. Like a Dory, you do not want to substitute lighter materials
for traditional designs...

Baloney. The only vehicle that benefits from added weight is a steamroller.
Lighter sailboats are faster all around, and are better handling, and in small
sizes the difference in roll/picth/heave acceleration (or 'the comfort index'
if you like) is trivial. As for rowing, if lighter wasn't better then they
would be adding lead to racing shells, canoes, and kayaks, which so far does
not seem to be a trend.

It has to do with the particular shape, use, and stability of a
particular design. Many canoes, shells etc.. are designed to be light,
Wherrys, and dories were not... Sorry to ruin your day.


I refer you to Bolger's legendary "Gloucester Gull" dory, one of the early
modernizations of traditional small boat design.

Yes, it is a nice boat, I have built a few, here is one of them:
http://smallboats.com/boats_ggull.htm

But still, some boats are designed to be more stable with the
origional weight and displacement, the wherry is one of those boats...
Scotty from SmallBoats.com



Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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John H wrote:

Whether you call it a tugboat or trawler, it is a thing of beauty!

Thank you! My wife gets full credit for the varnish work, and she revels
in all compliments.

Regards
Doug King

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Dan Krueger wrote:

Doug,

Very nice boat! What sort of seas can it handle comfortably?

Thanks very much. We're very proud of it.

It sort of depends on what you call "comfortably." We've been out in a
few 30 knot blows on Pamlico Sound and Chesapeake Bay; on Pamlico Sound
the very short & steep chop of 5' or more made it almost impossible to
steer and tossed all contents around like a mixmaster. We gave up when
the refrigerator flew across the pilot house. Longer waves on the Bay
were not so bad, we could make reasonable progress against or with 6+
footers but it wasn't really comfortable. I had to tie the anchor down
on it's bow roller!

Fair Skies
Doug King

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if lighter wasn't better then they
would be adding lead to racing shells, canoes, and kayaks, which so far does
not seem to be a trend.


Backyard Renegade wrote:
It has to do with the particular shape, use, and stability of a
particular design. Many canoes, shells etc.. are designed to be light,
Wherrys, and dories were not... Sorry to ruin your day.

Why would your being about half right ruin my day?

There is no fundamental difference between a wherry or a dory, and any
other human powered craft. It is true that if the hull lines are
maintained, then the hull will float higher and have a narrower
waterline, which of course would affect initial stability.

However, 1- all that means is that you can then carry a heavier load and
get back on the original lines or 2- flatten the garboards a little.

With a flat bottom design such as a sharpie or dory, this isn't even an
issue.


I refer you to Bolger's legendary "Gloucester Gull" dory, one of the early
modernizations of traditional small boat design.


Yes, it is a nice boat, I have built a few, here is one of them:
http://smallboats.com/boats_ggull.htm

Excellent work. I built one of these too, many years ago, but mine was
for a tender and was rather quick-and-dirty style. But it worked well,
and I deliberately sacrificed some strength for lightness even back
then. Longevity might have been an issue, except that the boat was
rammed by motorboaters at the dinghy dock so many times that it
eventually leaked too badly to use. It made a great addition to a beach
fire....


But still, some boats are designed to be more stable with the
origional weight and displacement, the wherry is one of those boats...

Not all wherries, and not in all cases. But then, my opinions are not
recycled old wives tales but rather based on 4+ decades of fiddling with
all types of boats and watching how they really work (or don't). Many
times there is a kernel of truth in old time salty 'wisdom' but it never
seems to apply as universally, or to carry over as profoundly, as the
old salts think.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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DSK wrote in message news:auvRb.1847

Not all wherries, and not in all cases. But then, my opinions are not
recycled old wives tales but rather based on 4+ decades of fiddling with
all types of boats and watching how they really work (or don't). Many
times there is a kernel of truth in old time salty 'wisdom' but it never
seems to apply as universally, or to carry over as profoundly, as the
old salts think.

I will not sit here and argue experience. I will note that we agree to
disagree and the only "wivestale" I submit to is:
"Don't screw with a tried and true design". Other than that, I am
pretty good at math...
Scotty, Peace.


Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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Backyard Renegade wrote:

I will not sit here and argue experience. I will note that we agree to
disagree and the only "wivestale" I submit to is:
"Don't screw with a tried and true design". Other than that, I am
pretty good at math...

OK.

If "Don't screw with a tried and true design" was truly your main principle,
then you'd be building dugout canoes. You've seen yourself a great design made
from modernizing... and significantly lightening... a traditional design. The
Gloucester Gull weighs about half as much as a traditionally planked dory.

I know how difficult it is to persuade anybody with logic, but I can't resist
trying.... if building classic designs to be heavy is good, then is building
them heavier better?

Fresh Breezes- Doug King