On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:44:21 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:


What's interesting is that some here feel more concern over the treatment
of enemy combatants, and the rights of enemy prisoners than they are for
our own soldiers.

Dave, you are making the assumption that all detainees are
enemy combatants. They are not. Many are innocent citizens who were in
the wrong place at the wrong time. Even the government admits to this,
and has started to release many of those detainees.


I find it bordering on insanity, that at a time of war, there are people
looking to sue our leaders for the conduct of the war, and are also
seeking to criminally prosecute some of our soldiers for "murder" when
they are actively fighting an enemy. I mean, it's the job of soldiers to
kill the enemy. Duh!

Kill the enemy, yes, torture, rape, and murder, no. I am quite
sympathetic to the soldier in the field, who has to make an instant
decision. I would generally give that soldier the benefit of any doubt,
but that is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about
soldiers, in a relatively secure facility, abusing those placed in their
charge.

In case you haven't noticed, this bungling administration has made a
problem for itself. What to do with all those detainees in Guantanamo?
They don't have the evidence to charge them with any crime, so the plan is
to ship them off to countries that don't care about any rule of law. Just
lovely, they are hoping to sweep their incompetence under the rug.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4340921.stm


It's like living in an episode of the Twilight Zone..........

You might consider, how we treat our captives, reflects on us. Are we
civilized, or barbarians?

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:20:21 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:44:21 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:


What's interesting is that some here feel more concern over the treatment
of enemy combatants, and the rights of enemy prisoners than they are for
our own soldiers.

Dave, you are making the assumption that all detainees are
enemy combatants. They are not. Many are innocent citizens who were in
the wrong place at the wrong time. Even the government admits to this,
and has started to release many of those detainees.

Based on what factual reports? Sure, in the act of waging war, a few
innocents are likely to be taken in error. But normally this is a
small minority of cases. If you have any facts that indicate
otherwise, please provide them.


I find it bordering on insanity, that at a time of war, there are people
looking to sue our leaders for the conduct of the war, and are also
seeking to criminally prosecute some of our soldiers for "murder" when
they are actively fighting an enemy. I mean, it's the job of soldiers to
kill the enemy. Duh!

Kill the enemy, yes, torture, rape, and murder, no.

So killing is less objectionable to torture?

Besides, where are the facts to back up that any prisoners were truly
"tortured" (Which means acts that go beyond simple humiliation),
raped, or "murdered" (Wait, I though it was ok to kill the enemy?).


I am quite
sympathetic to the soldier in the field, who has to make an instant
decision. I would generally give that soldier the benefit of any doubt,
but that is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about
soldiers, in a relatively secure facility, abusing those placed in their
charge.

Since all we have are biased reports trying to serve their respective
agendas, I'd say we really know very little factual information on
what actually happened.


In case you haven't noticed, this bungling administration has made a
problem for itself. What to do with all those detainees in Guantanamo?
They don't have the evidence to charge them with any crime, so the plan is
to ship them off to countries that don't care about any rule of law. Just
lovely, they are hoping to sweep their incompetence under the rug.

How is the shipping of criminal detainees back to their countries of
origin, an example of "bungling"?




http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4340921.stm


It's like living in an episode of the Twilight Zone..........

You might consider, how we treat our captives, reflects on us. Are we
civilized, or barbarians?

We're not the ones cutting off people's heads and dragging the bodies
through the streets and hanging them up for all to see.

And you have to consider that what was reported on what we "allegedly"
did, was exaggerated for propaganda purposes. So far there is little
hard evidence that anyone other than a few renegade officers did
anything inappropriate considering the nature of this war, and the
tactics needed to gain valuable information.

Physical torture is probably not something to be proud of. But
psychological "conditioning" is perfectly ok in my book, if it leads
to gaining information which either helps us achieve our objective or
prevents our troops from being killed.

Dave