http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7037619/site/newsweek/

March 7 issue - The confession came quickly, and it sounded damning.
After a few days of allegedly rough interrogation, Ahmed Omar Abu Ali—a
soft-spoken high-school valedictorian from the Washington, D.C.,
suburbs—either cracked or simply told his questioners what they wanted
to hear. While studying in the holy city of Medina, Saudi Arabia, Abu
Ali said, he had met with a Qaeda operative and offered to set up a
sleeper cell in the United States to organize terror attacks. He wanted
to be like September 11 ringleader Muhammad Atta, Abu Ali added in his
confession. The young Muslim American even talked about an assassination
plot. The purported target: President George W. Bush. Abu Ali allegedly
suggested that Bush could either be shot on the street or blown up in a
car-bomb attack.

After searching his home in Falls Church, Va., and finding seemingly
incriminating documents (including a screed by Osama bin Laden's deputy
Ayman al-Zawahiri), federal agents became convinced that Abu Ali was
indeed "a really bad guy," as one put it. Yet even the top aides to the
then Attorney General John Ashcroft didn't think they had anything
resembling a solid criminal case. There was no indication the alleged
Bush assassination plot ever advanced beyond the talking phase. No FBI
agents were there when Abu Ali made his self-incriminating confession.
If the Saudis sent Abu Ali home—as they kept offering to do—Justice
officials fretted the videotape would likely get tossed out of court,
and Abu Ali would walk. "We didn't know what to do with this guy," one
former Justice official confided to NEWSWEEK.

So for the next 20 months, Justice let Abu Ali, a U.S. citizen, languish
in a Saudi jail cell. He had no access to a lawyer, and no charges were
filed against him. Critics say this is a prime example of how the Bush
administration has "outsourced" the detention of terror suspects to
cooperative Mideast countries with poor human-rights records. But Abu
Ali's Virginia-based parents—his father works as a computer analyst for
the Saudi Embassy—say their son was tortured into confessing to lies,
and sued the federal government last year. The judge in the civil case,
John Bates, grew impatient. Bates threatened to force Justice officials
to explain under oath what they knew about Abu Ali's detention. So the
department arranged to charge Abu Ali back in the United States with
providing material support to terrorists.

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 23:59:11 GMT, "Jim," wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7037619/site/newsweek/

March 7 issue - The confession came quickly, and it sounded damning.
After a few days of allegedly rough interrogation, Ahmed Omar Abu Ali—a
soft-spoken high-school valedictorian from the Washington, D.C.,
suburbs—either cracked or simply told his questioners what they wanted
to hear. While studying in the holy city of Medina, Saudi Arabia, Abu
Ali said, he had met with a Qaeda operative and offered to set up a
sleeper cell in the United States to organize terror attacks. He wanted
to be like September 11 ringleader Muhammad Atta, Abu Ali added in his
confession. The young Muslim American even talked about an assassination
plot. The purported target: President George W. Bush. Abu Ali allegedly
suggested that Bush could either be shot on the street or blown up in a
car-bomb attack.

After searching his home in Falls Church, Va., and finding seemingly
incriminating documents (including a screed by Osama bin Laden's deputy
Ayman al-Zawahiri), federal agents became convinced that Abu Ali was
indeed "a really bad guy," as one put it. Yet even the top aides to the
then Attorney General John Ashcroft didn't think they had anything
resembling a solid criminal case. There was no indication the alleged
Bush assassination plot ever advanced beyond the talking phase. No FBI
agents were there when Abu Ali made his self-incriminating confession.
If the Saudis sent Abu Ali home—as they kept offering to do—Justice
officials fretted the videotape would likely get tossed out of court,
and Abu Ali would walk. "We didn't know what to do with this guy," one
former Justice official confided to NEWSWEEK.

So for the next 20 months, Justice let Abu Ali, a U.S. citizen, languish
in a Saudi jail cell. He had no access to a lawyer, and no charges were
filed against him. Critics say this is a prime example of how the Bush
administration has "outsourced" the detention of terror suspects to
cooperative Mideast countries with poor human-rights records. But Abu
Ali's Virginia-based parents—his father works as a computer analyst for
the Saudi Embassy—say their son was tortured into confessing to lies,
and sued the federal government last year. The judge in the civil case,
John Bates, grew impatient. Bates threatened to force Justice officials
to explain under oath what they knew about Abu Ali's detention. So the
department arranged to charge Abu Ali back in the United States with
providing material support to terrorists.

Good, now they'll hopefully put the asshole in prison where he belongs. Maybe
they'll round up some of his buddies to send also. Be careful!

Stop snivelling and whining. It's unbecoming. It makes you sound like Harry.


John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

From tonight's 60 Minutes:
Feb 27, 2005 6:09 pm US/Central
(CBS) Last week, the Justice Department indicted an Arab-American named
Ahmed Omar Abu Ali for plotting to assassinate President Bush.

He was handed over to U.S. authorities after being detained without charges
for 20 months in a prison in Saudi Arabia.

The case is complicated by allegations of torture, but according to the
indictment, it was while he was studying in Saudi Arabia that Ali made
contact with al Qaeda. The kingdom’s mosques and schools have been cited as
a breeding ground for extremism.

Turn on 60 minutes right now.

"Jim," wrote in message
...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7037619/site/newsweek/

March 7 issue - The confession came quickly, and it sounded damning. After
a few days of allegedly rough interrogation, Ahmed Omar Abu Ali—a
soft-spoken high-school valedictorian from the Washington, D.C.,
suburbs—either cracked or simply told his questioners what they wanted to
hear. While studying in the holy city of Medina, Saudi Arabia, Abu Ali
said, he had met with a Qaeda operative and offered to set up a sleeper
cell in the United States to organize terror attacks. He wanted to be like
September 11 ringleader Muhammad Atta, Abu Ali added in his confession.
The young Muslim American even talked about an assassination plot. The
purported target: President George W. Bush. Abu Ali allegedly suggested
that Bush could either be shot on the street or blown up in a car-bomb
attack.

After searching his home in Falls Church, Va., and finding seemingly
incriminating documents (including a screed by Osama bin Laden's deputy
Ayman al-Zawahiri), federal agents became convinced that Abu Ali was
indeed "a really bad guy," as one put it. Yet even the top aides to the
then Attorney General John Ashcroft didn't think they had anything
resembling a solid criminal case. There was no indication the alleged Bush
assassination plot ever advanced beyond the talking phase. No FBI agents
were there when Abu Ali made his self-incriminating confession. If the
Saudis sent Abu Ali home—as they kept offering to do—Justice officials
fretted the videotape would likely get tossed out of court, and Abu Ali
would walk. "We didn't know what to do with this guy," one former Justice
official confided to NEWSWEEK.

So for the next 20 months, Justice let Abu Ali, a U.S. citizen, languish
in a Saudi jail cell. He had no access to a lawyer, and no charges were
filed against him. Critics say this is a prime example of how the Bush
administration has "outsourced" the detention of terror suspects to
cooperative Mideast countries with poor human-rights records. But Abu
Ali's Virginia-based parents—his father works as a computer analyst for
the Saudi Embassy—say their son was tortured into confessing to lies, and
sued the federal government last year. The judge in the civil case, John
Bates, grew impatient. Bates threatened to force Justice officials to
explain under oath what they knew about Abu Ali's detention. So the
department arranged to charge Abu Ali back in the United States with
providing material support to terrorists.

I hope this *soft spoken valedictorian who studied in the holy city of
Medina* gets everything coming to him that he deserves. Hey, he was only
joking about setting up a sleeper cell in the US to conduct terrorist
attacks and then assassinating the POTUS.....right?

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:38:55 -0500, JimH wrote:


I hope this *soft spoken valedictorian who studied in the holy city of
Medina* gets everything coming to him that he deserves. Hey, he was
only joking about setting up a sleeper cell in the US to conduct
terrorist attacks and then assassinating the POTUS.....right?

And just how in the hell do you know what he deserves? That little birdie
been talking to you again. Personally, I believe in the concept of
innocent until *proven* guilty. Why don't you try him, before you hang
him?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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thunder wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:38:55 -0500, JimH wrote:



I hope this *soft spoken valedictorian who studied in the holy city of
Medina* gets everything coming to him that he deserves. Hey, he was
only joking about setting up a sleeper cell in the US to conduct
terrorist attacks and then assassinating the POTUS.....right?


And just how in the hell do you know what he deserves? That little
birdie
been talking to you again. Personally, I believe in the concept of
innocent until *proven* guilty. Why don't you try him, before you hang
him?

Hey...this is the United States of NeoCon...we don't even have to charge
people with crimes anymore in order to hold them for years.

He's been charged with a crime. And he'll have a chance to defend himself
in court...which is more than he probably deserves.

He was picked up by Saudi Intelligence allegedly after making contact with
several known al Qaeda associates. Do you think that they were just
exchanging recipes for kharuf mahshi?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

thunder wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:38:55 -0500, JimH wrote:




I hope this *soft spoken valedictorian who studied in the holy city of
Medina* gets everything coming to him that he deserves. Hey, he was
only joking about setting up a sleeper cell in the US to conduct
terrorist attacks and then assassinating the POTUS.....right?


And just how in the hell do you know what he deserves? That little
birdie
been talking to you again. Personally, I believe in the concept of
innocent until *proven* guilty. Why don't you try him, before you hang
him?

Hey...this is the United States of NeoCon...we don't even have to charge
people with crimes anymore in order to hold them for years.


He's been charged with a crime. And he'll have a chance to defend
himself in court...which is more than he probably deserves.

He was picked up by Saudi Intelligence allegedly after making contact
with several known al Qaeda associates. Do you think that they were just
exchanging recipes for kharuf mahshi?

Saudi intelligence?

???

NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


thunder wrote:


On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:38:55 -0500, JimH wrote:





I hope this *soft spoken valedictorian who studied in the holy city of
Medina* gets everything coming to him that he deserves. Hey, he was
only joking about setting up a sleeper cell in the US to conduct
terrorist attacks and then assassinating the POTUS.....right?


And just how in the hell do you know what he deserves? That little
birdie
been talking to you again. Personally, I believe in the concept of
innocent until *proven* guilty. Why don't you try him, before you hang
him?

Hey...this is the United States of NeoCon...we don't even have to charge
people with crimes anymore in order to hold them for years.


He's been charged with a crime. And he'll have a chance to defend
himself in court...which is more than he probably deserves.

He was picked up by Saudi Intelligence allegedly after making contact
with several known al Qaeda associates. Do you think that they were just
exchanging recipes for kharuf mahshi?

Saudi intelligence?


???



Is this the fellow that the US picked up and then turned over to the Saudis?

You know the planes that don't exist that are used to move prisoners to
"friendly countries" where they can be tortured legally?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


thunder wrote:


On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:38:55 -0500, JimH wrote:





I hope this *soft spoken valedictorian who studied in the holy city
of
Medina* gets everything coming to him that he deserves. Hey, he was
only joking about setting up a sleeper cell in the US to conduct
terrorist attacks and then assassinating the POTUS.....right?


And just how in the hell do you know what he deserves? That little
birdie
been talking to you again. Personally, I believe in the concept of
innocent until *proven* guilty. Why don't you try him, before you
hang
him?

Hey...this is the United States of NeoCon...we don't even have to
charge people with crimes anymore in order to hold them for years.


He's been charged with a crime. And he'll have a chance to defend
himself in court...which is more than he probably deserves.

He was picked up by Saudi Intelligence allegedly after making contact
with several known al Qaeda associates. Do you think that they were
just exchanging recipes for kharuf mahshi?

Saudi intelligence?


???



Look, I don't know the particulars of the fellow in question, but I don't
trust the Bush Administration or its collaborators in Saudi Arabia to tell
the truth about anything. Bush and his cohorts stand up there and lie
about one important matter after another. Why would I believe them this
time?

If there was some deep conspiracy here, then the Bush admin could have just
pushed the Saudis to execute the guy. Why extradite him back to the states?
They could have arranged that he died in a shootout in Saudi Arabia just
like his co-conspirator:

http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/...0979097.htm?1c



The guy attended the Islamic Saudi Academy...a school in Virginia that
teaches Wahabbism. Here's a curriculum description for the first grade:

"For the teacher: Explain that all religions, other than Islam, are false,
including that of the Jews, Christians, and all others."


Sounds like a fun place!