"Don White" wrote in message
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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As I told you before I put myself in line. What have you done for your
country besides bad mouth it any chance you get?

Wasn't that 20 miles 'behind' the line ? How far did your big gun shoot
anyway?



Remind me again when you served Don and what branch you served in. I am
not talking about your job at McDonalds serving freedom fries.

"JimH" wrote in message
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Remind me again when you served Don and what branch you served in. I am
not talking about your job at McDonalds serving freedom fries.



Now Jim...we had a 'gentleman's agreement'. Are you breaking it again?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

Feb. 23, 2005, 12:27PM



Syrian officer says he trained Iraqi insurgents
Associated Press


BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqi state television aired a video today showing what
the U.S.-funded channel said was the confession of a captured Syrian
officer who said he trained Iraqi insurgents to behead people and build
car bombs to attack American and Iraqi troops.


And most of the 9-11'ers were Saudi.

Yet, Bush blew our wad attacking Iraq.


Saudi Arabia is Iraq in reverse. The leaders are our allies, but the
people are our enemy. Of course, the people also happen to be the enemy
of the Saudi Royals.




The Saudi leaders are not our allies; they are fundamentalist Muslims and,
as such, hate us worse than Saddam ever did.

No they're not. The Royals ousted the extremists druing a Civil War in the
1920's. In 1979, the extremists (aka--"Ikhwans") temporarily seized the
Grand Mosque in Mecca. They've been fighting for 80 years.

Sure, the Saudi Royal family is working mostly to maintain its lavish
lifestyle. But they've adopted a large number of non-Koranic practices,
such as allowing women to attend school and work, and employing non-Muslims.
For this reason, they're hated by the modern day Ikhwans (aka--Wahhabiists)
like Osama bin Hidin'.





They tolerate us because we've made them billionaires, and because they're
in good with the Bush family. But they have no love for the United States
and its decadent ways.

They have no love for the purely Koranic form of law either...since true
Koranic law does not allow for a Monarchy led by non-religious leaders.

"Don White" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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Remind me again when you served Don and what branch you served in. I am
not talking about your job at McDonalds serving freedom fries.



Now Jim...we had a 'gentleman's agreement'. Are you breaking it again?



Come on Don. I get ticked off at folks throwing insults to those who served
our Country. What is especially bad is when the insults come from those who
never wore the uniform, such a you, Krause and a few others here.

So stop the insults towards our brave men and women who are serving or have
served and I will stop getting on your case about it.

Fair enough?

"JimH" wrote in message So stop the insults towards our brave
men and women who are serving or have
served and I will stop getting on your case about it.

Fair enough?


So you are breaking the agreement. No surprise there...except how long it
took you to do it.
Bettie butts his nose in numerous times, and as he says himself.....'be a
man and take your beating'....therefore he can defend himself. Why do you
feel you have to nursemaid him?

"Don White" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message

Remind me again when you served Don and what branch you served in. I
am
not talking about your job at McDonalds serving freedom fries.


Now Jim...we had a 'gentleman's agreement'. Are you breaking it again?


Come on Don. I get ticked off at folks throwing insults to those who
served
our Country. What is especially bad is when the insults come from those
who
never wore the uniform, such a you, Krause and a few others here.


So stop the insults towards our brave
men and women who are serving or have
served and I will stop getting on your case about it.

Fair enough?


So you are breaking the agreement. No surprise there...except how long it
took you to do it.
Bettie butts his nose in numerous times, and as he says himself.....'be a
man and take your beating'....therefore he can defend himself. Why do you
feel you have to nursemaid him?




Do what you want Don. As I said, when it comes to you and others
disrespecting our service men/women the gloves are off.

Have a nice day Don....enjoy the freedoms you have thanks to our brave men
and women who fought for them.

"Don White" wrote in message
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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As I told you before I put myself in line. What have you done for your
country besides bad mouth it any chance you get?

Wasn't that 20 miles 'behind' the line ? How far did your big gun shoot
anyway?

My gun doesn't shoot to far but, my rifle is leathel to 500+ yards.

Oh, and remind me ofwhat you did while serving in the Canadian Forces?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Bert Robbins wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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As I told you before I put myself in line. What have you done for your
country besides bad mouth it any chance you get?


Wasn't that 20 miles 'behind' the line ? How far did your big gun shoot
anyway?


My gun doesn't shoot to far but, my rifle is leathel to 500+ yards.

Not as lethal as your breath, I'd bet.

You really are a strange individual. Why would you care what my breath
smells like?

"DSK" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
Feb. 23, 2005, 12:27PM



Syrian officer says he trained Iraqi insurgents
Associated Press

Yet further proof that invading Iraq was the wrong thing to do... wrong
country at the wrong time...



Egypt and Syria Play Ball -- No Thanks to the Left
By Ben Johnson
FrontPageMagazine.com | February 28, 2005

From Hosni Mubarak's opening up Egyptian elections for the first time, to
Syria's strong efforts to accommodate American demands for withdrawal from
Lebanon and for cooperation in Iraq, the Middle East is changing in ways
unforeseen even last fall. During the campaign, neither candidate discussed
pressuring these two putative allies to create a stable and democratic Arab
presence, yet today both are taking the first steps toward representative
government. Lebanon's Druze Patriarch Walid Jumblatt pinpointed the genesis
of this metamorphosis in the pages of The Washington Post:


It's strange for me to say it, but this process of change has started
because of the American invasion of Iraq. I was cynical about Iraq. But when
I saw the Iraqi people voting three weeks ago, 8 million of them, it was the
start of a new Arab world. The Syrian people, the Egyptian people, all say
that something is changing. The Berlin Wall has fallen. We can see it.


In other words, a sea-change is taking place in the Arab world: democracy is
becoming reality for the first time in history - and all this progress came
about because of the determination of President George W. Bush and over the
most vicious objections of the American Left.



The most recent dividends of the Bush Doctrine became evident on Saturday,
when Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak demanded the 1971 (socialist)
constitution be amended to allow multiparty elections for the first time. In
a nationally televised speech delivered at the University of Menoufiya,
Mubarak said, "The president will be elected through direct, secret
balloting, opening the opportunity for political parties to run in the
presidential elections and providing guarantees that allow more than one
candidate for the people to choose from with their own will." Upon hearing
this, the crowd burst out into a chant of, "Long live Mubarak, mentor of
freedom and democracy!"



Just a month ago, President Mubarak intended to hold his fifth national
plebiscite and labeled such reforms "futile." (The 76-year-old, who has
ruled Egypt since 1981, won the previous four elections with more than 90
percent of the vote.) However, President Bush has been unwavering on the
issue, saying in his State of the Union Address, "The great and proud nation
of Egypt, which showed the way toward peace in the Middle East, can now show
the way toward democracy in the Middle East." This emboldened rallies in
Egypt to criticize Mubarak and his son (and heretofore heir apparent),
Gamal. Condoleeza Rice boldly cancelled her scheduled visit after Mubarak
jailed political opponent Ayman Nour. The next day, Mubarak made a
180-degree policy shift.



Though they view his actions as only an opening salvo, Mubarak's political
opponents have embraced this constitutional reform as a turning point in
their nation's history. Nour called it "an important and courageous move."
Hisham Kassem of the Tomorrow Party and editor of the Masr al-Youm newspaper
deemed the amendment "the most important thing he has done in 24 years in
power." National Progressive Unionist Party member Refat Said stated,
"Mubarak has taken one boulder from the road to democracy. It's at least a
change in mentality." Rifaat el-Said of the Tagammu Party proved more
ebullient: "We have moved a mountain," he said. Even ruling party member
Mohammed Kamal admitted, "This is a change in the whole system."



Thankfully, Mubarak's amendment will bar the fascist Muslim Brotherhood from
standing for election.



The winds of democracy are blowing in Syria, as well. President Bush singled
out Syria in his State of the Union Address as a state sponsor of terrorism,
and recalled the American ambassador to Syria after the February 14
assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. Massive
protests calling for Syrian withdrawal ensued. At one such rally in the
village of Qana, peasants destroyed a statue of the late President Hafez
al-Assad, and just yesterday Lebanese protestors defied a government ban to
demand an end to Syrian occupation.



Rejecting Syrian backlash, U.S. deputy assistant secretary of state David
Satterfield echoed President Bush's pro-freedom rhetoric. "It is
not...interference for the world to talk of the need for Lebanese to live in
freedom," he said over the weekend.



Out of pressure from President Bush - and still feeling the impact of
neighboring Iraq's elections - Syria has claimed it will either withdraw
troops from Lebanon or bring them into conformity with the ceasefire plan it
adopted in 1989 but never enacted. Over the weekend, the Mideast's other Ba'athist
nation also turned over Saddam Hussein's half-brother, a sought-after Iraqi
"insurgent" leader, in order to curry favor with Washington. A confidence
vote will be held today on the government of Prime Minister Omar Karami.
This could be the beginning of the end of Syria's brutal 30-year occupation
of Lebanon.



As these historic events unfold, or rather are instigated by the Bush
administration, the Left sits on the sidelines cheering for the wrong team.
Ted Kennedy bitterly condemned American "occupation" on the eve of the Iraq
elections. Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid promptly seconded Kennedy's
call for Bush to publish an Iraqi exit strategy. Meanwhile, Jesse Jackson
stumped for democracy.in Ohio, telling black audiences their votes had been
discarded by Secretary of State Ken Blackwell, the only black man to hold
statewide office (and a strong candidate to become Ohio's next governor).



After the world viewed the ocean of ink-stained fingers waving over Saddam's
former fiefdom, Sen. John Kerry said we should not to "overhype" the event.
The man who nearly became president told Tim Russert that the elections that
heralded a new era in Arab politics only possessed "a kind of legitimacy - I
mean, it's hard to say that something is legitimate when a whole portion of
the country can't vote and doesn't vote."



Indeed, one could easily construct a depressing alternate history of the
past month by juxtaposing President Bush's strong leadership with Sen. John
Kerry's world tour. Kerry took a 13-day tour of the Arab world in early
January, meeting with officials in Syria, Egypt, and other nations of the
Arab crescent. Rather than pressure Syrian President Bashar Assad to
democratize or end its occupation of Lebanon as the Bush administration has,
Kerry simply hoped to "improve our relationship" with Assad. (And guess who
would have made the concessions?) "I think we found a great deal of areas of
mutual interest, some common concerns and some possibilities for initiatives
that could be taken in the future to strengthening the relationship between
the U.S. and Syria," Kerry babbled. He repeated the same "good relations"
routine after meeting the Egyptian foreign minister. Kerry also demoralized
the troops in Baghdad by castigating the "enormous miscalculations,"
"horrendous judgments," and "unbelievable blunders" of their commander in
chief. Kerry proved his statesmanship by claiming black votes were being
"suppressed" in the 2004 election immediately upon his return to the States.



Imagine Kerry standing in the Rose Garden thronged by Teddy and Jesse, and
you begin to get a sense of what might have been - and what would never have
been. They deemed the first election in the history of Afghanistan unworthy
of notice and the Palestinian elections a non-event. The Iraqi election,
they insisted, could never take place. Now as the ripple effects of their
president's policies move other nations closer to the currents of
liberalization, they give to liberty no quarter. However reforms proceed in
Egypt - and we pray they will usher in democratic, representative government
respectful of the rights of all its citizens - none whatever would have
taken place under the leadership of the Democratic Left. It makes any
history buff weep to see the party of Jefferson and Jackson observe the next
milestones in the history of human freedom in the making - and oppose them
with all its misguided might.

Update: Since the time this story was filed early this morning, Lebanon's
pro-Syrian government has resigned. This is the most hopeful sign yet that
independence will soon return to the Land of Cedars. -- BJ

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Sounds to me like it was the right war, at the right time, and in the right
country.

Yet further proof that invading Iraq was the wrong thing to do... wrong
country at the wrong time...

NOBBY quote:
Egypt and Syria Play Ball -- No Thanks to the Left
By Ben Johnson
FrontPageMagazine.com | February 28, 2005

From Hosni Mubarak's opening up Egyptian elections for the first time, to
Syria's strong efforts to accommodate American demands for withdrawal from
Lebanon and for cooperation in Iraq, the Middle East is changing

So when are you leaving for that motorcycle trip you cancelled because
it was too dangerous in Lebanon?

BTW Syria has been occupying Lebanon for at least 25 years. Back when I
was in the Navy, and Reagan was President, there was a big operation
against Syrian backed militias, and then almost simultaneously we
intervened to protect Palestinian civilians from the Isrealis. I was
there and saw much of it first-hand.

So why is this a priority for Bush all of a sudden? Why is the remote
possibility of re-opening peace negotiations reckoned as a huge success?
So as to cover up the obvious & continual failure that's prevailed until
now?

I guess the obvious fact that the Middle East is too dangerous, and
terrorism is escalating, "proves" to you that Bush has done a good job.

DSK