( OT) Hundreds in Brussels Protest Bush's Visit
 

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"He is coming to persuade and influence the European leaders. We are
afraid the European leaders will distance themselves from their people,"
said Pol de Vos, one of about 700 anti-Bush protesters marching
peacefully in downtown Brussels.

An alliance of 88 environmental, human rights, peace and other groups
have planned protests near the U.S. Embassy for Monday and near the EU
headquarters on Tuesday.

The Web site of the 'Stop Bush' alliance accused Bush of "crimes against
humanity," saying he undermines international law and is an obstacle to
the fight against global warming.

Wow, a *whole* 700 people? yawn


"Jim," wrote in message
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extract

"He is coming to persuade and influence the European leaders. We are
afraid the European leaders will distance themselves from their people,"
said Pol de Vos, one of about 700 anti-Bush protesters marching peacefully
in downtown Brussels.

An alliance of 88 environmental, human rights, peace and other groups
have planned protests near the U.S. Embassy for Monday and near the EU
headquarters on Tuesday.

The Web site of the 'Stop Bush' alliance accused Bush of "crimes against
humanity," saying he undermines international law and is an obstacle to
the fight against global warming.

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:06:05 GMT, "Jim," wrote:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._go_pr_wh/bush

extract

"He is coming to persuade and influence the European leaders. We are
afraid the European leaders will distance themselves from their people,"
said Pol de Vos, one of about 700 anti-Bush protesters marching
peacefully in downtown Brussels.

An alliance of 88 environmental, human rights, peace and other groups
have planned protests near the U.S. Embassy for Monday and near the EU
headquarters on Tuesday.

The Web site of the 'Stop Bush' alliance accused Bush of "crimes against
humanity," saying he undermines international law and is an obstacle to
the fight against global warming.

Only hundreds? Gosh, Bush is getting downright popular. I guess we'd better send
them this:

************************************************** **
Matthias Dapfner, Chief Executive of the huge German publisher Axel Springer
AG, has written a blistering attack in DIE WELT, Germany's largest daily
newspaper, against the timid reaction of Europe in the face of the Islamic
threat.


EUROPE - THY NAME IS COWARDICE
(Commentary by Mathias Dapfner CEO, Axel Springer, AG)

A few days ago Henry Broder wrote in Welt am Sonntag, "Europe - your family
name is appeasement." It's a phrase you can't get out of your head because
it's so terribly true.

Appeasement cost millions of Jews and non-Jews their lives as England and
France, allies at the time, negotiated and hesitated too long before they
noticed that Hitler had to be fought, not bound to toothless agreements.

Appeasement legitimized and stabilized Communism in the Soviet Union, then
East Germany, then all the rest of Eastern Europe where for decades,
inhuman, suppressive, murderous governments were glorified as the
ideologically correct alternative to all other possibilities.

Appeasement crippled Europe when genocide ran rampant in Kosovo, and even
though we had absolute proof of ongoing mass-murder, we Europeans debated
and debated and debated, and were still debating when finally the Americans
had to come from halfway around the world, into Europe yet again, and do our
work for us.

Rather than protecting democracy in the Middle East, European appeasement,
camouflaged behind the fuzzy word "equidistance," now countenances suicide
bombings in Israel by fundamentalist Palestinians.

Appeasement generates a mentality that allows Europe to ignore nearly
500,000 victims of Saddam's torture and murder machinery and, motivated by
the self-righteousness of the peace-movement, has the gall to issue bad
grades to George Bush... Even as it is uncovered that the loudest critics of
the American action in Iraq made illicit billions, no, TENS of billions, in
the corrupt U.N. Oil-for-Food program.

And now we are faced with a particularly grotesque form of appeasement...
How is Germany reacting to the escalating violence by Islamic
fundamentalists in Holland and elsewhere? By suggesting that we really
should have a "Muslim Holiday" in Germany.

I wish I were joking, but I am not. A substantial fraction of our (German)
Government, and if the polls are to be believed, the German people, actually
believe that creating an Official State "Muslim Holiday" will somehow spare
us from the wrath of the fanatical Islamists.

One cannot help but recall Britain's Neville Chamberlain waving the
laughable treaty signed by Adolf Hitler, and declaring European "Peace in
our time".

What else has to happen before the European public and its political
leadership get it? There is a sort of crusade underway, an especially
perfidious crusade consisting of systematic attacks by fanatic Muslims,
focused on civilians, directed against our free, open Western societies, and
intent upon Western Civilization's utter destruction.

It is a conflict that will most likely last longer than any of the great
military conflicts of the last century - a conflict conducted by an enemy
that cannot be tamed by "tolerance" and "accommodation" but is actually
spurred on by such gestures, which have proven to be, and will always be
taken by the Islamists for signs of weakness.

Only two recent American Presidents had the courage needed for
anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush.

His American critics may quibble over the details, but we Europeans know the
truth. We saw it first hand: Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War, freeing half
of the German people from nearly 50 years of terror and virtual slavery. And
Bush, supported only by the Social Democrat Blair, acting on moral
conviction, recognized the danger in the Islamic War against democracy. His
place in history will have to be evaluated after a number of years have
passed.

In the meantime, Europe sits back with charismatic self-confidence in the
multicultural corner, instead of defending liberal society's values and
being an attractive center of power on the same playing field as the true
great powers, America and China.

On the contrary - we Europeans present ourselves, in contrast to those
"arrogant Americans", as the World Champions of "tolerance", which even
(Germany's Interior Minister) Otto Schily justifiably criticizes. Why?
Because we're so moral? I fear it's more because we're so materialistic, so
devoid of a moral compass.

For his policies, Bush risks the fall of the dollar, huge amounts of
additional national debt, and a massive and persistent burden on the
American economy - because unlike almost all of Europe, Bush realizes what
is at stake - literally everything.

While we criticize the "capitalistic robber barons" of America because they
seem too sure of their priorities, we timidly defend our Social Welfare
systems. Stay out of it! It could get expensive! We'd rather discuss
reducing our 35-hour workweek or our dental coverage, or our 4 weeks of paid
vacation... Or listen to TV pastors preach about the need to "reach out to
terrorists. To understand and forgive".

These days, Europe reminds me of an old woman who, with shaking hands,
frantically hides her last pieces of jewelry when she notices a robber
breaking into a neighbor's house.

Appeasement? Europe, thy name is Cowardice.

"All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for
enough good men to do nothing."

-- Edmund Burke
***************************************

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

The population of Belgium is 10,258,000.
OR not far from the population of NYC

JimH wrote:

Wow, a *whole* 700 people? yawn


"Jim," wrote in message
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extract

"He is coming to persuade and influence the European leaders. We are
afraid the European leaders will distance themselves from their people,"
said Pol de Vos, one of about 700 anti-Bush protesters marching peacefully
in downtown Brussels.

An alliance of 88 environmental, human rights, peace and other groups
have planned protests near the U.S. Embassy for Monday and near the EU
headquarters on Tuesday.

The Web site of the 'Stop Bush' alliance accused Bush of "crimes against
humanity," saying he undermines international law and is an obstacle to
the fight against global warming.

So I guess 94% of the population like him. ;-)


"Jim," wrote in message
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And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

The population of Belgium is 10,258,000.
OR not far from the population of NYC

JimH wrote:

Wow, a *whole* 700 people? yawn


"Jim," wrote in message
...

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extract

"He is coming to persuade and influence the European leaders. We are
afraid the European leaders will distance themselves from their people,"
said Pol de Vos, one of about 700 anti-Bush protesters marching
peacefully in downtown Brussels.

An alliance of 88 environmental, human rights, peace and other groups
have planned protests near the U.S. Embassy for Monday and near the EU
headquarters on Tuesday.

The Web site of the 'Stop Bush' alliance accused Bush of "crimes against
humanity," saying he undermines international law and is an obstacle to
the fight against global warming.

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:27:03 GMT, "Jim," wrote:

And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

The population of Belgium is 10,258,000.
OR not far from the population of NYC

JimH wrote:

Wow, a *whole* 700 people? yawn


"Jim," wrote in message
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extract

"He is coming to persuade and influence the European leaders. We are
afraid the European leaders will distance themselves from their people,"
said Pol de Vos, one of about 700 anti-Bush protesters marching peacefully
in downtown Brussels.

An alliance of 88 environmental, human rights, peace and other groups
have planned protests near the U.S. Embassy for Monday and near the EU
headquarters on Tuesday.

The Web site of the 'Stop Bush' alliance accused Bush of "crimes against
humanity," saying he undermines international law and is an obstacle to
the fight against global warming.


Jimcomma, are you suggesting that 700 people is 6% of the population of Belgium,
Brussels, or the crowd at a high school soccer match?


John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 12:29:54 -0500, "JimH" wrote:

So I guess 94% of the population like him. ;-)


"Jim," wrote in message
...
And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

The population of Belgium is 10,258,000.
OR not far from the population of NYC

JimH wrote:

Wow, a *whole* 700 people? yawn

Sounds logical to me!

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

"Jim," wrote in message
...
And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

Wow. Another liberal with a math impediment. Big surprise.


700/1,122,000=0.000623

That'd be roughly 0.06% of the population there, Einstein.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Jim," wrote in message
...
And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

Wow. Another liberal with a math impediment. Big surprise.


700/1,122,000=0.000623

That'd be roughly 0.06% of the population there, Einstein.







0.06% disapprove of him. I guess 99.04% of the population approve of him.
Pretty good numbers, eh Jimcomma? ;-)

Hey Jimcomma, remind me once again of your point.

JimH wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Jim," wrote in message
...

And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

Wow. Another liberal with a math impediment. Big surprise.


700/1,122,000=0.000623

That'd be roughly 0.06% of the population there, Einstein.








0.06% disapprove of him. I guess 99.04% of the population approve of him.
Pretty good numbers, eh Jimcomma? ;-)

Hey Jimcomma, remind me once again of your point.



Do those who do not vote approve or disapprove of a candidate?

What sort of demonstrations happen in NYC when a diplomat from a hated
country like France arrives?

"Jim," wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
...

"Jim," wrote in message
...

And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

Wow. Another liberal with a math impediment. Big surprise.


700/1,122,000=0.000623

That'd be roughly 0.06% of the population there, Einstein.








0.06% disapprove of him. I guess 99.04% of the population approve of
him. Pretty good numbers, eh Jimcomma? ;-)

Hey Jimcomma, remind me once again of your point.

Do those who do not vote approve or disapprove of a candidate?

What sort of demonstrations happen in NYC when a diplomat from a hated
country like France arrives?

Why change the subject you originally posted Jim? And you never answered my
question.

So remind me again....what was the point of your post? Simple enough
question.

JimH wrote:
"Jim," wrote in message
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JimH wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
...


"Jim," wrote in message
...


And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

Wow. Another liberal with a math impediment. Big surprise.


700/1,122,000=0.000623

That'd be roughly 0.06% of the population there, Einstein.








0.06% disapprove of him. I guess 99.04% of the population approve of
him. Pretty good numbers, eh Jimcomma? ;-)

Hey Jimcomma, remind me once again of your point.

Do those who do not vote approve or disapprove of a candidate?

What sort of demonstrations happen in NYC when a diplomat from a hated
country like France arrives?


Why change the subject you originally posted Jim? And you never answered my
question.

So remind me again....what was the point of your post? Simple enough
question.



The point is that Bush is less than popular in Brussels -- 700
demonstrators turned out -- staying home is NOT an endorsement of his
politics, no mater how much you would like it to be.

France is disliked by many Americans -- yet how many turn out to
demonstrate against a french diplomat when he arives at the UN.

The origional point is that BUSH is not popular in Brussels (or I
suspect most of Europe). (and not all that popular in the US for that
matter.) Latest I could find was Feb 11

An Associated Press poll finds adults, who were evenly divided on Bush's
job performance in January, now disapprove by 54 percent to 45 percent.
The number who think the country is headed down the wrong track
increased from 51 percent to 58 percent in the past month.

"Jim," wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
...

"Jim," wrote in message
...

And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

Wow. Another liberal with a math impediment. Big surprise.


700/1,122,000=0.000623

That'd be roughly 0.06% of the population there, Einstein.








0.06% disapprove of him. I guess 99.04% of the population approve of
him. Pretty good numbers, eh Jimcomma? ;-)

Hey Jimcomma, remind me once again of your point.

Do those who do not vote approve or disapprove of a candidate?

What sort of demonstrations happen in NYC when a diplomat from a hated
country like France arrives?

We don't take to the streets to protest. We protest with our wallets.

"Bordeaux wine exports in 2004 to the United States declined 35 percent in
volume and 59 percent in value. Sales to Great Britain dropped 21 percent in
volume and 33 percent in value."

That sure leaves a more lasting mark than 0.06% of Brussel's population
taking to the streets in protest, don't ya think?

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:14:57 GMT, "Jim," wrote:

JimH wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
...

"Jim," wrote in message
...

And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

Wow. Another liberal with a math impediment. Big surprise.

700/1,122,000=0.000623

That'd be roughly 0.06% of the population there, Einstein.

0.06% disapprove of him. I guess 99.04% of the population approve of him.
Pretty good numbers, eh Jimcomma? ;-)

Hey Jimcomma, remind me once again of your point.

Do those who do not vote approve or disapprove of a candidate?

What sort of demonstrations happen in NYC when a diplomat from a hated
country like France arrives?

Who hates France? I don't hate France - France is pretty nice
actually.

The French - now that's a whole different story. :)

Later,

Tom

"Jim," wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Jim," wrote in message
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JimH wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Jim," wrote in message
...


And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

Wow. Another liberal with a math impediment. Big surprise.


700/1,122,000=0.000623

That'd be roughly 0.06% of the population there, Einstein.








0.06% disapprove of him. I guess 99.04% of the population approve of
him. Pretty good numbers, eh Jimcomma? ;-)

Hey Jimcomma, remind me once again of your point.

Do those who do not vote approve or disapprove of a candidate?

What sort of demonstrations happen in NYC when a diplomat from a hated
country like France arrives?


Why change the subject you originally posted Jim? And you never answered
my question.

So remind me again....what was the point of your post? Simple enough
question.

The point is that Bush is less than popular in Brussels -- 700
demonstrators turned out -- staying home is NOT an endorsement of his
politics, no mater how much you would like it to be.

France is disliked by many Americans -- yet how many turn out to
demonstrate against a french diplomat when he arives at the UN.

The origional point is that BUSH is not popular in Brussels (or I suspect
most of Europe). (and not all that popular in the US for that matter.)
Latest I could find was Feb 11



No, the point is that on 0.06% of the population showed up to protest, a
mere 700 people. If he were disliked as strong as you would like to think
thousands and thousands would have shown up to protest.

The logical conclusion has to be that the majority of people in Brussels
like the guy.


An Associated Press poll finds adults, who were evenly divided on Bush's
job performance in January, now disapprove by 54 percent to 45 percent.
The number who think the country is headed down the wrong track increased
from 51 percent to 58 percent in the past month.


You are again changing the subject to make your point. Stay focused
Jim....it is your thread.

And get over it already.....your guy lost.

NOYB wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
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JimH wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Jim," wrote in message
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And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

Wow. Another liberal with a math impediment. Big surprise.


700/1,122,000=0.000623

That'd be roughly 0.06% of the population there, Einstein.








0.06% disapprove of him. I guess 99.04% of the population approve of
him. Pretty good numbers, eh Jimcomma? ;-)

Hey Jimcomma, remind me once again of your point.

Do those who do not vote approve or disapprove of a candidate?

What sort of demonstrations happen in NYC when a diplomat from a hated
country like France arrives?


We don't take to the streets to protest. We protest with our wallets.

"Bordeaux wine exports in 2004 to the United States declined 35 percent in
volume and 59 percent in value. Sales to Great Britain dropped 21 percent in
volume and 33 percent in value."

That sure leaves a more lasting mark than 0.06% of Brussel's population
taking to the streets in protest, don't ya think?


If that were to have as much effect as you suggest, the dollar should be
rising against the Euro.

"Jim," wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Jim," wrote in message
...

JimH wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
...


"Jim," wrote in message
...


And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

Wow. Another liberal with a math impediment. Big surprise.


700/1,122,000=0.000623

That'd be roughly 0.06% of the population there, Einstein.








0.06% disapprove of him. I guess 99.04% of the population approve of
him. Pretty good numbers, eh Jimcomma? ;-)

Hey Jimcomma, remind me once again of your point.

Do those who do not vote approve or disapprove of a candidate?

What sort of demonstrations happen in NYC when a diplomat from a hated
country like France arrives?


Why change the subject you originally posted Jim? And you never answered
my question.

So remind me again....what was the point of your post? Simple enough
question.

The point is that Bush is less than popular in Brussels -- 700
demonstrators turned out -- staying home is NOT an endorsement of his
politics, no mater how much you would like it to be.

France is disliked by many Americans -- yet how many turn out to
demonstrate against a french diplomat when he arives at the UN.

The origional point is that BUSH is not popular in Brussels (or I suspect
most of Europe). (and not all that popular in the US for that matter.)
Latest I could find was Feb 11

An Associated Press poll finds adults, who were evenly divided on Bush's
job performance in January, now disapprove by 54 percent to 45 percent.
The number who think the country is headed down the wrong track increased
from 51 percent to 58 percent in the past month.

Well, those numbers really should affect his reelection chances in 2008.
What's that? He can't run in 2008? Then who cares.



From the recently released audio tapes (dating back to 1998):

"It's me versus the world. The good news is, the world is on my side. Or
more than half of it."

And more than half the United States is on his side too.

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:47:52 GMT, "Jim," wrote:

JimH wrote:
"Jim," wrote in message
...

JimH wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
...


"Jim," wrote in message
...


And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

Wow. Another liberal with a math impediment. Big surprise.


700/1,122,000=0.000623

That'd be roughly 0.06% of the population there, Einstein.








0.06% disapprove of him. I guess 99.04% of the population approve of
him. Pretty good numbers, eh Jimcomma? ;-)

Hey Jimcomma, remind me once again of your point.

Do those who do not vote approve or disapprove of a candidate?

What sort of demonstrations happen in NYC when a diplomat from a hated
country like France arrives?


Why change the subject you originally posted Jim? And you never answered my
question.

So remind me again....what was the point of your post? Simple enough
question.



The point is that Bush is less than popular in Brussels -- 700
demonstrators turned out -- staying home is NOT an endorsement of his
politics, no mater how much you would like it to be.

France is disliked by many Americans -- yet how many turn out to
demonstrate against a french diplomat when he arives at the UN.

The origional point is that BUSH is not popular in Brussels (or I
suspect most of Europe). (and not all that popular in the US for that
matter.) Latest I could find was Feb 11

An Associated Press poll finds adults, who were evenly divided on Bush's
job performance in January, now disapprove by 54 percent to 45 percent.
The number who think the country is headed down the wrong track
increased from 51 percent to 58 percent in the past month.

Jimcomma, Bush is well loved in Brussels. Those folks were just looking for an
excuse to get out and buy some chocolate.

Go back to sleep.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

John H wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:47:52 GMT, "Jim," wrote:


JimH wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
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JimH wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Jim," wrote in message
...



And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

Wow. Another liberal with a math impediment. Big surprise.


700/1,122,000=0.000623

That'd be roughly 0.06% of the population there, Einstein.








0.06% disapprove of him. I guess 99.04% of the population approve of
him. Pretty good numbers, eh Jimcomma? ;-)

Hey Jimcomma, remind me once again of your point.

Do those who do not vote approve or disapprove of a candidate?

What sort of demonstrations happen in NYC when a diplomat from a hated
country like France arrives?


Why change the subject you originally posted Jim? And you never answered my
question.

So remind me again....what was the point of your post? Simple enough
question.



The point is that Bush is less than popular in Brussels -- 700
demonstrators turned out -- staying home is NOT an endorsement of his
politics, no mater how much you would like it to be.

France is disliked by many Americans -- yet how many turn out to
demonstrate against a french diplomat when he arives at the UN.

The origional point is that BUSH is not popular in Brussels (or I
suspect most of Europe). (and not all that popular in the US for that
matter.) Latest I could find was Feb 11

An Associated Press poll finds adults, who were evenly divided on Bush's
job performance in January, now disapprove by 54 percent to 45 percent.
The number who think the country is headed down the wrong track
increased from 51 percent to 58 percent in the past month.


Jimcomma, Bush is well loved in Brussels. Those folks were just looking for an
excuse to get out and buy some chocolate.

Just the young sprouts

Go back to sleep.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:58:16 GMT, "Jim," wrote:

NOYB wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
...

JimH wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
...


"Jim," wrote in message
...


And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

Wow. Another liberal with a math impediment. Big surprise.


700/1,122,000=0.000623

That'd be roughly 0.06% of the population there, Einstein.








0.06% disapprove of him. I guess 99.04% of the population approve of
him. Pretty good numbers, eh Jimcomma? ;-)

Hey Jimcomma, remind me once again of your point.

Do those who do not vote approve or disapprove of a candidate?

What sort of demonstrations happen in NYC when a diplomat from a hated
country like France arrives?


We don't take to the streets to protest. We protest with our wallets.

"Bordeaux wine exports in 2004 to the United States declined 35 percent in
volume and 59 percent in value. Sales to Great Britain dropped 21 percent in
volume and 33 percent in value."

That sure leaves a more lasting mark than 0.06% of Brussel's population
taking to the streets in protest, don't ya think?


If that were to have as much effect as you suggest, the dollar should be
rising against the Euro.

Why? Why do we want the dollar to rise against the Euro?

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

John H wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:58:16 GMT, "Jim," wrote:


NOYB wrote:


"Jim," wrote in message
...


JimH wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
...



"Jim," wrote in message
...



And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

Wow. Another liberal with a math impediment. Big surprise.


700/1,122,000=0.000623

That'd be roughly 0.06% of the population there, Einstein.








0.06% disapprove of him. I guess 99.04% of the population approve of
him. Pretty good numbers, eh Jimcomma? ;-)

Hey Jimcomma, remind me once again of your point.

Do those who do not vote approve or disapprove of a candidate?

What sort of demonstrations happen in NYC when a diplomat from a hated
country like France arrives?


We don't take to the streets to protest. We protest with our wallets.

"Bordeaux wine exports in 2004 to the United States declined 35 percent in
volume and 59 percent in value. Sales to Great Britain dropped 21 percent in
volume and 33 percent in value."

That sure leaves a more lasting mark than 0.06% of Brussel's population
taking to the streets in protest, don't ya think?


If that were to have as much effect as you suggest, the dollar should be
rising against the Euro.


Why? Why do we want the dollar to rise against the Euro?

So the Asian countries holding our bonds, won't cash out and buy Euros.
If they do our bond market goes to hell fast.

What happens when nobody will accept your money because it's worthless?


John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

"Jim," wrote in message
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John H wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:58:16 GMT, "Jim," wrote:


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And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

Wow. Another liberal with a math impediment. Big surprise.


700/1,122,000=0.000623

That'd be roughly 0.06% of the population there, Einstein.








0.06% disapprove of him. I guess 99.04% of the population approve of
him. Pretty good numbers, eh Jimcomma? ;-)

Hey Jimcomma, remind me once again of your point.

Do those who do not vote approve or disapprove of a candidate?

What sort of demonstrations happen in NYC when a diplomat from a hated
country like France arrives?


We don't take to the streets to protest. We protest with our wallets.

"Bordeaux wine exports in 2004 to the United States declined 35 percent
in volume and 59 percent in value. Sales to Great Britain dropped 21
percent in volume and 33 percent in value."

That sure leaves a more lasting mark than 0.06% of Brussel's population
taking to the streets in protest, don't ya think?


If that were to have as much effect as you suggest, the dollar should be
rising against the Euro.


Why? Why do we want the dollar to rise against the Euro?

So the Asian countries holding our bonds, won't cash out and buy Euros. If
they do our bond market goes to hell fast.

Baloney. If the dollar drops compared to the Euro, it not only makes US
goods seem cheaper (which helps US exports), but it also makes US stocks,
bonds, and real estate seem cheaper for foreign investors too. A savvy
foreign investor isn't going to pass up a good buy.

NOYB wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
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John H wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:58:16 GMT, "Jim," wrote:



NOYB wrote:



"Jim," wrote in message
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JimH wrote:



"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Jim," wrote in message
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And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

Wow. Another liberal with a math impediment. Big surprise.


700/1,122,000=0.000623

That'd be roughly 0.06% of the population there, Einstein.








0.06% disapprove of him. I guess 99.04% of the population approve of
him. Pretty good numbers, eh Jimcomma? ;-)

Hey Jimcomma, remind me once again of your point.

Do those who do not vote approve or disapprove of a candidate?

What sort of demonstrations happen in NYC when a diplomat from a hated
country like France arrives?


We don't take to the streets to protest. We protest with our wallets.

"Bordeaux wine exports in 2004 to the United States declined 35 percent
in volume and 59 percent in value. Sales to Great Britain dropped 21
percent in volume and 33 percent in value."

That sure leaves a more lasting mark than 0.06% of Brussel's population
taking to the streets in protest, don't ya think?


If that were to have as much effect as you suggest, the dollar should be
rising against the Euro.


Why? Why do we want the dollar to rise against the Euro?

So the Asian countries holding our bonds, won't cash out and buy Euros. If
they do our bond market goes to hell fast.


Baloney. If the dollar drops compared to the Euro, it not only makes US
goods seem cheaper (which helps US exports), but it also makes US stocks,
bonds, and real estate seem cheaper for foreign investors too. A savvy
foreign investor isn't going to pass up a good buy.


Might I suggest a course in economics 101. As stocks rise, bonds drop.
As the dollar drops, foreign goods become more expensive. The thought
that the dollar might drop results in nervousness among those holding US
debt (usually bonds).

How many dollars do you want to keep in your account if you know that in
a year they will be worth 10% less?

"Jim," wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
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John H wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:58:16 GMT, "Jim," wrote:



NOYB wrote:



"Jim," wrote in message
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JimH wrote:



"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Jim," wrote in message
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And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

Wow. Another liberal with a math impediment. Big surprise.


700/1,122,000=0.000623

That'd be roughly 0.06% of the population there, Einstein.








0.06% disapprove of him. I guess 99.04% of the population approve
of him. Pretty good numbers, eh Jimcomma? ;-)

Hey Jimcomma, remind me once again of your point.

Do those who do not vote approve or disapprove of a candidate?

What sort of demonstrations happen in NYC when a diplomat from a
hated country like France arrives?


We don't take to the streets to protest. We protest with our wallets.

"Bordeaux wine exports in 2004 to the United States declined 35
percent in volume and 59 percent in value. Sales to Great Britain
dropped 21 percent in volume and 33 percent in value."

That sure leaves a more lasting mark than 0.06% of Brussel's
population taking to the streets in protest, don't ya think?


If that were to have as much effect as you suggest, the dollar should
be rising against the Euro.


Why? Why do we want the dollar to rise against the Euro?

So the Asian countries holding our bonds, won't cash out and buy Euros.
If they do our bond market goes to hell fast.


Baloney. If the dollar drops compared to the Euro, it not only makes US
goods seem cheaper (which helps US exports), but it also makes US stocks,
bonds, and real estate seem cheaper for foreign investors too. A savvy
foreign investor isn't going to pass up a good buy.


Might I suggest a course in economics 101. As stocks rise, bonds drop.

Long term or short term bonds, Mr. Keynes? As you know, they're not
following conventional rules over the last 6 months.

As the dollar drops, foreign goods become more expensive. The thought
that the dollar might drop results in nervousness among those holding US
debt (usually bonds).

How many dollars do you want to keep in your account if you know that in a
year they will be worth 10% less?

People in long-term bond funds have done very well over the last 6
months...despite falling long-term bond prices.

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:39:18 GMT, "Jim," wrote:

John H wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:58:16 GMT, "Jim," wrote:


NOYB wrote:


"Jim," wrote in message
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JimH wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
...



"Jim," wrote in message
...



And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

Wow. Another liberal with a math impediment. Big surprise.


700/1,122,000=0.000623

That'd be roughly 0.06% of the population there, Einstein.








0.06% disapprove of him. I guess 99.04% of the population approve of
him. Pretty good numbers, eh Jimcomma? ;-)

Hey Jimcomma, remind me once again of your point.

Do those who do not vote approve or disapprove of a candidate?

What sort of demonstrations happen in NYC when a diplomat from a hated
country like France arrives?


We don't take to the streets to protest. We protest with our wallets.

"Bordeaux wine exports in 2004 to the United States declined 35 percent in
volume and 59 percent in value. Sales to Great Britain dropped 21 percent in
volume and 33 percent in value."

That sure leaves a more lasting mark than 0.06% of Brussel's population
taking to the streets in protest, don't ya think?


If that were to have as much effect as you suggest, the dollar should be
rising against the Euro.


Why? Why do we want the dollar to rise against the Euro?

So the Asian countries holding our bonds, won't cash out and buy Euros.
If they do our bond market goes to hell fast.

What happens when nobody will accept your money because it's worthless?


John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

I'll stay home, drive my US made pickup and Mustangs, and fish in my US made
boat with its US made engine using my US made Penn reels in the Chesapeake Bay,
which is also in the US.

No problem!

:-)


John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

John H wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:39:18 GMT, "Jim," wrote:


John H wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:58:16 GMT, "Jim," wrote:



NOYB wrote:



"Jim," wrote in message
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JimH wrote:



"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Jim," wrote in message
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And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

Wow. Another liberal with a math impediment. Big surprise.


700/1,122,000=0.000623

That'd be roughly 0.06% of the population there, Einstein.








0.06% disapprove of him. I guess 99.04% of the population approve of
him. Pretty good numbers, eh Jimcomma? ;-)

Hey Jimcomma, remind me once again of your point.

Do those who do not vote approve or disapprove of a candidate?

What sort of demonstrations happen in NYC when a diplomat from a hated
country like France arrives?


We don't take to the streets to protest. We protest with our wallets.

"Bordeaux wine exports in 2004 to the United States declined 35 percent in
volume and 59 percent in value. Sales to Great Britain dropped 21 percent in
volume and 33 percent in value."

That sure leaves a more lasting mark than 0.06% of Brussel's population
taking to the streets in protest, don't ya think?


If that were to have as much effect as you suggest, the dollar should be
rising against the Euro.


Why? Why do we want the dollar to rise against the Euro?

So the Asian countries holding our bonds, won't cash out and buy Euros.
If they do our bond market goes to hell fast.

What happens when nobody will accept your money because it's worthless?


John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes


I'll stay home, drive my US made pickup and Mustangs, and fish in my US made
boat with its US made engine using my US made Penn reels in the Chesapeake Bay,
which is also in the US.

No problem!

:-)


John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Your Pickup is probably made in Mexico or Canada, the radio in Japan or
china, various other parts from around the world. Walk into a car
showroom (any make) and look at the sticker that says % made in the US.

Dunno about your fishing reel, but if it was made in the last 10 years,
betcha it has some none US parts.

"Jim," wrote in message
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John H wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:39:18 GMT, "Jim," wrote:


John H wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:58:16 GMT, "Jim," wrote:



NOYB wrote:



"Jim," wrote in message
...



JimH wrote:



"NOYB" wrote in message
...




"Jim," wrote in message
. ..




And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

Wow. Another liberal with a math impediment. Big surprise.


700/1,122,000=0.000623

That'd be roughly 0.06% of the population there, Einstein.








0.06% disapprove of him. I guess 99.04% of the population approve
of him. Pretty good numbers, eh Jimcomma? ;-)

Hey Jimcomma, remind me once again of your point.

Do those who do not vote approve or disapprove of a candidate?

What sort of demonstrations happen in NYC when a diplomat from a
hated country like France arrives?


We don't take to the streets to protest. We protest with our wallets.

"Bordeaux wine exports in 2004 to the United States declined 35
percent in volume and 59 percent in value. Sales to Great Britain
dropped 21 percent in volume and 33 percent in value."

That sure leaves a more lasting mark than 0.06% of Brussel's
population taking to the streets in protest, don't ya think?


If that were to have as much effect as you suggest, the dollar should
be rising against the Euro.


Why? Why do we want the dollar to rise against the Euro?

So the Asian countries holding our bonds, won't cash out and buy Euros.
If they do our bond market goes to hell fast.

What happens when nobody will accept your money because it's worthless?


John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary
to resolve it." Rene Descartes


I'll stay home, drive my US made pickup and Mustangs, and fish in my US
made
boat with its US made engine using my US made Penn reels in the
Chesapeake Bay,
which is also in the US.

No problem! :-)


John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary
to resolve it." Rene Descartes

Your Pickup is probably made in Mexico or Canada, the radio in Japan or
china, various other parts from around the world. Walk into a car
showroom (any make) and look at the sticker that says % made in the US.

Dunno about your fishing reel, but if it was made in the last 10 years,
betcha it has some none US parts.

If I can get the same part, with exactly the same or better tolerances and
QC specifications made outside the US...or if I can get the same product
assembled, with the same or better results as in the US.....why not go to
the cheaper provider?

We now have a global economy. US manufacturers need to produce a better
product at a reduced cost.....they need to think smart...if not they will be
left behind.

Labor pricing has a lot to do with the equation. Unions have driven up the
price of labor often to the point that off shore pricing is the best
solution.

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 01:27:28 GMT, "Jim," wrote:

John H wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:39:18 GMT, "Jim," wrote:


John H wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:58:16 GMT, "Jim," wrote:



NOYB wrote:



"Jim," wrote in message
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JimH wrote:



"NOYB" wrote in message
...




"Jim," wrote in message
. ..




And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

Wow. Another liberal with a math impediment. Big surprise.


700/1,122,000=0.000623

That'd be roughly 0.06% of the population there, Einstein.








0.06% disapprove of him. I guess 99.04% of the population approve of
him. Pretty good numbers, eh Jimcomma? ;-)

Hey Jimcomma, remind me once again of your point.

Do those who do not vote approve or disapprove of a candidate?

What sort of demonstrations happen in NYC when a diplomat from a hated
country like France arrives?


We don't take to the streets to protest. We protest with our wallets.

"Bordeaux wine exports in 2004 to the United States declined 35 percent in
volume and 59 percent in value. Sales to Great Britain dropped 21 percent in
volume and 33 percent in value."

That sure leaves a more lasting mark than 0.06% of Brussel's population
taking to the streets in protest, don't ya think?


If that were to have as much effect as you suggest, the dollar should be
rising against the Euro.


Why? Why do we want the dollar to rise against the Euro?

So the Asian countries holding our bonds, won't cash out and buy Euros.
If they do our bond market goes to hell fast.

What happens when nobody will accept your money because it's worthless?


John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes


I'll stay home, drive my US made pickup and Mustangs, and fish in my US made
boat with its US made engine using my US made Penn reels in the Chesapeake Bay,
which is also in the US.

No problem!

:-)


John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Your Pickup is probably made in Mexico or Canada, the radio in Japan or
china, various other parts from around the world. Walk into a car
showroom (any make) and look at the sticker that says % made in the US.

Dunno about your fishing reel, but if it was made in the last 10 years,
betcha it has some none US parts.

But I didn't have to depend on the value of the Euro to buy any of it. I expect
GM, Ford, Penn, Proline, and Mercruiser will still take my money, even if France
won't.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

JimH wrote:
"Jim," wrote in message
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John H wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:39:18 GMT, "Jim," wrote:



John H wrote:


On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:58:16 GMT, "Jim," wrote:




NOYB wrote:




"Jim," wrote in message
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JimH wrote:




"NOYB" wrote in message
...





"Jim," wrote in message
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And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

Wow. Another liberal with a math impediment. Big surprise.


700/1,122,000=0.000623

That'd be roughly 0.06% of the population there, Einstein.








0.06% disapprove of him. I guess 99.04% of the population approve
of him. Pretty good numbers, eh Jimcomma? ;-)

Hey Jimcomma, remind me once again of your point.

Do those who do not vote approve or disapprove of a candidate?

What sort of demonstrations happen in NYC when a diplomat from a
hated country like France arrives?


We don't take to the streets to protest. We protest with our wallets.

"Bordeaux wine exports in 2004 to the United States declined 35
percent in volume and 59 percent in value. Sales to Great Britain
dropped 21 percent in volume and 33 percent in value."

That sure leaves a more lasting mark than 0.06% of Brussel's
population taking to the streets in protest, don't ya think?


If that were to have as much effect as you suggest, the dollar should
be rising against the Euro.


Why? Why do we want the dollar to rise against the Euro?

So the Asian countries holding our bonds, won't cash out and buy Euros.
If they do our bond market goes to hell fast.

What happens when nobody will accept your money because it's worthless?



John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary
to resolve it." Rene Descartes


I'll stay home, drive my US made pickup and Mustangs, and fish in my US
made
boat with its US made engine using my US made Penn reels in the
Chesapeake Bay,
which is also in the US.

No problem! :-)


John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary
to resolve it." Rene Descartes

Your Pickup is probably made in Mexico or Canada, the radio in Japan or
china, various other parts from around the world. Walk into a car
showroom (any make) and look at the sticker that says % made in the US.

Dunno about your fishing reel, but if it was made in the last 10 years,
betcha it has some none US parts.


If I can get the same part, with exactly the same or better tolerances and
QC specifications made outside the US...or if I can get the same product
assembled, with the same or better results as in the US.....why not go to
the cheaper provider?

We now have a global economy. US manufacturers need to produce a better
product at a reduced cost.....they need to think smart...if not they will be
left behind.

Labor pricing has a lot to do with the equation. Unions have driven up the
price of labor often to the point that off shore pricing is the best
solution.



After *this* profoundly patriotic statement? For shame!

"I'll stay home, drive my US made pickup and Mustangs, and fish in my US
made boat with its US made engine using my US made Penn reels in the
Chesapeake Bay, which is also in the US.

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:06:05 GMT, "Jim," wrote:

What has this **** got to do with boats????

"Jim," wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Jim," wrote in message
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John H wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:39:18 GMT, "Jim," wrote:



John H wrote:


On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:58:16 GMT, "Jim," wrote:




NOYB wrote:




"Jim," wrote in message
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JimH wrote:




"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Jim," wrote in message
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And that is 6% of the population

Country: Belgium
Population of Brussels: 1,122,000

Wow. Another liberal with a math impediment. Big surprise.


700/1,122,000=0.000623

That'd be roughly 0.06% of the population there, Einstein.








0.06% disapprove of him. I guess 99.04% of the population approve
of him. Pretty good numbers, eh Jimcomma? ;-)

Hey Jimcomma, remind me once again of your point.

Do those who do not vote approve or disapprove of a candidate?

What sort of demonstrations happen in NYC when a diplomat from a
hated country like France arrives?


We don't take to the streets to protest. We protest with our
wallets.

"Bordeaux wine exports in 2004 to the United States declined 35
percent in volume and 59 percent in value. Sales to Great Britain
dropped 21 percent in volume and 33 percent in value."

That sure leaves a more lasting mark than 0.06% of Brussel's
population taking to the streets in protest, don't ya think?


If that were to have as much effect as you suggest, the dollar should
be rising against the Euro.


Why? Why do we want the dollar to rise against the Euro?

So the Asian countries holding our bonds, won't cash out and buy Euros.
If they do our bond market goes to hell fast.

What happens when nobody will accept your money because it's worthless?



John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and
necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes


I'll stay home, drive my US made pickup and Mustangs, and fish in my US
made
boat with its US made engine using my US made Penn reels in the
Chesapeake Bay,
which is also in the US.

No problem! :-)


John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary
to resolve it." Rene Descartes

Your Pickup is probably made in Mexico or Canada, the radio in Japan or
china, various other parts from around the world. Walk into a car
showroom (any make) and look at the sticker that says % made in the US.

Dunno about your fishing reel, but if it was made in the last 10 years,
betcha it has some none US parts.


If I can get the same part, with exactly the same or better tolerances
and QC specifications made outside the US...or if I can get the same
product assembled, with the same or better results as in the US.....why
not go to the cheaper provider?

We now have a global economy. US manufacturers need to produce a better
product at a reduced cost.....they need to think smart...if not they will
be left behind.

Labor pricing has a lot to do with the equation. Unions have driven up
the price of labor often to the point that off shore pricing is the best
solution.

After *this* profoundly patriotic statement? For shame!

"I'll stay home, drive my US made pickup and Mustangs, and fish in my US
made boat with its US made engine using my US made Penn reels in the
Chesapeake Bay, which is also in the US.

Wrong person. JohnH wrote that.

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 23:21:44 -0600, Win wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:06:05 GMT, "Jim," wrote:

What has this **** got to do with boats????

I'll stay home, drive my US made pickup and Mustangs, and fish in my US made
boat with its US made engine using my US made Penn reels in the Chesapeake Bay,
which is also in the US.


Boat, Penn reels, Chesapeake Bay, fish...how much do you need to be happy?

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes