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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:49:05 -0500, "NOYB" wrote:
Your next boat? http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/009267.html Not at that price!!! :) I've already bought my Contender anyway. Later, Tom |
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:49:05 -0500, "NOYB" wrote: Your next boat? http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/009267.html Not at that price!!! :) I was shocked at the price. $240k boat show special. Sea Vee makes a 31' with a forward cuddy and a single diesel for around $140k. And a Whaler has very little if anything in build quality over a Sea Vee. The latest boating magazine has a Grady White 36' on its cover. Triple outboards. Just under $390k. Eeeeek! If you don't mind me asking, what'd that Contender cost, and with what power? |
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 08:29:28 -0500, "NOYB" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:49:05 -0500, "NOYB" wrote: Your next boat? http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/009267.html Not at that price!!! :) I was shocked at the price. $240k boat show special. Sea Vee makes a 31' with a forward cuddy and a single diesel for around $140k. And a Whaler has very little if anything in build quality over a Sea Vee. The latest boating magazine has a Grady White 36' on its cover. Triple outboards. Just under $390k. Eeeeek! If you don't mind me asking, what'd that Contender cost, and with what power? 225 E-TECS (for two) at $31K, boat, T-top, enclosure, electronics - $162K total. I kept the trailer from the old boat. Later, Tom |
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 08:29:28 -0500, "NOYB" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:49:05 -0500, "NOYB" wrote: Your next boat? http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/009267.html Not at that price!!! :) I was shocked at the price. $240k boat show special. Sea Vee makes a 31' with a forward cuddy and a single diesel for around $140k. And a Whaler has very little if anything in build quality over a Sea Vee. The latest boating magazine has a Grady White 36' on its cover. Triple outboards. Just under $390k. Eeeeek! If you don't mind me asking, what'd that Contender cost, and with what power? 225 E-TECS (for two) at $31K, boat, T-top, enclosure, electronics - $162K total. I kept the trailer from the old boat. That's not bad. I hear the new 290 Edgewater Pilot console is selling for that. What is the oil burn rate on those E-tecs? Is it 50:1 or 100:1? The oil is pretty expensive, isn't it? |
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:35:25 -0500, "NOYB" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 08:29:28 -0500, "NOYB" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:49:05 -0500, "NOYB" wrote: Your next boat? http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/009267.html Not at that price!!! :) I was shocked at the price. $240k boat show special. Sea Vee makes a 31' with a forward cuddy and a single diesel for around $140k. And a Whaler has very little if anything in build quality over a Sea Vee. The latest boating magazine has a Grady White 36' on its cover. Triple outboards. Just under $390k. Eeeeek! If you don't mind me asking, what'd that Contender cost, and with what power? 225 E-TECS (for two) at $31K, boat, T-top, enclosure, electronics - $162K total. I kept the trailer from the old boat. That's not bad. I hear the new 290 Edgewater Pilot console is selling for that. What is the oil burn rate on those E-tecs? Is it 50:1 or 100:1? The oil is pretty expensive, isn't it? I honestly don't know about the oiling rate. I believe it's metered as you run - what the average is I don't know. About $40 per gallon but I understand that a gallon of the stuff lasts at about two/thee times the normal rate - maybe more than that. I don't have all the specs yet - hell, the engines haven't been delivered yet. The boat should arrive in a couple of weeks. I'm looking forward to it. Later, Tom |
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:35:25 -0500, "NOYB" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 08:29:28 -0500, "NOYB" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message m... On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:49:05 -0500, "NOYB" wrote: Your next boat? http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/009267.html Not at that price!!! :) I was shocked at the price. $240k boat show special. Sea Vee makes a 31' with a forward cuddy and a single diesel for around $140k. And a Whaler has very little if anything in build quality over a Sea Vee. The latest boating magazine has a Grady White 36' on its cover. Triple outboards. Just under $390k. Eeeeek! If you don't mind me asking, what'd that Contender cost, and with what power? 225 E-TECS (for two) at $31K, boat, T-top, enclosure, electronics - $162K total. I kept the trailer from the old boat. That's not bad. I hear the new 290 Edgewater Pilot console is selling for that. What is the oil burn rate on those E-tecs? Is it 50:1 or 100:1? The oil is pretty expensive, isn't it? I honestly don't know about the oiling rate. I believe it's metered as you run - what the average is I don't know. About $40 per gallon but I understand that a gallon of the stuff lasts at about two/thee times the normal rate Bombardier says that the first scheduled service isn't for 300 hours. Assuming a "normal" fuel/oil burn rate is 50:1 on a conventional 2-stroke, then the E-tec's burn at 150:1. If that's the case, in the first 300 hours of operation, burning 12 gph, you'll go through 3600 gallons of fuel and 24 gallons of oil. At $40/gallon, that's $960. For 4-strokes, a dealership charges about $160 for an oil change (includes lower gear oil and filter), and recommends it every 100 hours. The 4-stroke manufacturers recommend changing the water pump impeller at 200 hours (some dealers say 100 hours..especially if you operate in a lot of shallow water). They also recommend inspecting the valve clearance and adjusting if necessary...at an additional charge no doubt. Assuming that the valves don't need adjusting, the 4-stroke will cost a couple of hundred dollars less to run/maintain in the first 300 hours. What I find confusing about the E-tecs is this: how does the lower gear oil and the water pump impeller last 300 hours on an E-tec, but only 100-200 hours on a four-stroke? There should be virtually no difference between the engines for those parts. |
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:40:37 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:35:25 -0500, "NOYB" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 08:29:28 -0500, "NOYB" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message om... On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:49:05 -0500, "NOYB" wrote: Your next boat? http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/009267.html Not at that price!!! :) I was shocked at the price. $240k boat show special. Sea Vee makes a 31' with a forward cuddy and a single diesel for around $140k. And a Whaler has very little if anything in build quality over a Sea Vee. The latest boating magazine has a Grady White 36' on its cover. Triple outboards. Just under $390k. Eeeeek! If you don't mind me asking, what'd that Contender cost, and with what power? 225 E-TECS (for two) at $31K, boat, T-top, enclosure, electronics - $162K total. I kept the trailer from the old boat. That's not bad. I hear the new 290 Edgewater Pilot console is selling for that. What is the oil burn rate on those E-tecs? Is it 50:1 or 100:1? The oil is pretty expensive, isn't it? I honestly don't know about the oiling rate. I believe it's metered as you run - what the average is I don't know. About $40 per gallon but I understand that a gallon of the stuff lasts at about two/thee times the normal rate Bombardier says that the first scheduled service isn't for 300 hours. Assuming a "normal" fuel/oil burn rate is 50:1 on a conventional 2-stroke, then the E-tec's burn at 150:1. If that's the case, in the first 300 hours of operation, burning 12 gph, you'll go through 3600 gallons of fuel and 24 gallons of oil. At $40/gallon, that's $960. True. But at 50:1 on a conventional FICHT with 3600 gallons that's 72 gallons of oil FICHT (I think that's right) @ $16 per gallon (bulk) that's around $1200. If you pay retail price for FICHT oil it's closer to (@ $23 per gallon) $1650. For 4-strokes, a dealership charges about $160 for an oil change (includes lower gear oil and filter), and recommends it every 100 hours. The 4-stroke manufacturers recommend changing the water pump impeller at 200 hours (some dealers say 100 hours..especially if you operate in a lot of shallow water). They also recommend inspecting the valve clearance and adjusting if necessary...at an additional charge no doubt. Assuming that the valves don't need adjusting, the 4-stroke will cost a couple of hundred dollars less to run/maintain in the first 300 hours. What I find confusing about the E-tecs is this: how does the lower gear oil and the water pump impeller last 300 hours on an E-tec, but only 100-200 hours on a four-stroke? There should be virtually no difference between the engines for those parts. I dunno - I can find out though. Later, Tom |
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