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New allegations of prisoner abuse by U.S. soldiers
Last Updated Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:24:44 EST
CBC News

NEW YORK - U.S. army documents show that photos of American soldiers in
Afghanistan posing with hooded and bound prisoners were destroyed after
the Iraqi prison scandal.

They also reveal previously unknown allegations of mock executions and
beatings in both Afghanistan and Iraq.

The documents were released Friday by the American Civil Liberties Union
which requested information about U.S. detainees around the world through
the Freedom of Information Act.

In one of the most serious allegations, an Iraqi prisoner said that U.S.
soldiers beat him with a baseball bat, broke his nose, dislocated his arms
and stuck an unloaded pistol in his mouth and pulled the trigger.

Then he said they forced him to drop an abuse claim in exchange for his
freedom.

Army investigators looked into the man's allegations but were unable to
verify them. They also dismissed other allegations for lack of evidence.

The ACLU says the documents show that what happened in Iraq's Abu Ghraib
prison was not isolated and that the military tried to suppress
information about widespread prisoner abuse.

The Abu Ghraib scandal broke after photographs were made public of Iraqi
detainees being tortured and humiliated by U.S. soldiers. U.S. courts
martial have convicted seven soldiers in connection with the scandal. Two
others are still on trial.

ACLU executive director Anthony Romero says it has become "increasingly
clear" the military was aware of the allegations of torture.

He says "efforts were taken to erase evidence, to shut down investigations
and to humiliate the detainees in an effort to silence them."

The army has not commented.

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Well, of course not.
Beware of any country that has NO abuse complaints. In those countrys, if
they make a mistake they kill the prisioner so that he can't complain.

I believe that these reports are on the edge, possibly over the edge, on the
President's clarification of what torture is acceptable. No permament
damage! Problem in my mind is how many innocents are receiving this
treatment vs real information garnered.

Please, do us all a favor, if it's so bad here, move to another
country.

Lets see just how long it takes for you to come back with your tail
between your legs.

Captain John claims:

Please, do us all a favor, if it's so bad here, move to another
country.


That 'love it or leave it' crap is always the last resort of the
scoundrel. Why don't you get a little moral fortitude and try to make
improvements to this nation rather than settling for the status quo?

Sorry, but your side has close to ruined this country and everything
good for which it stood. Some of us will strive to get it back to the
center.


But then again, to move "back to the center" we'd have to move it miles
to the far left.

Capt John wrote:
Please, do us all a favor, if it's so bad here, move to another
country.

Lets see just how long it takes for you to come back with your tail
between your legs.


Consider the possibility that some of us don't like seeing our country
degenerate.

You need look no farther than this newsgroup to see how selfish,
self-centered and dogmatic the right has become. Barry Goldwater was
a
conservative with a conscience; today's conservatives are the "me
first
and only, screw you" generation.


I'll remember that next time Rev. Jessie speaks