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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:42:10 +0000, Calif Bill wrote:


I will answer yours even though you avoid answering mine. Build lots
of
nuclear power plants. Same thing we should be doing now. Wind and
solar
are not efficient enough to supply the countries needs. Then we could
save the oil for the items that require them. And energy is not the
only
use of petroleum.

I would agree that nuclear energy has an important role in our future,
but
we must be careful. Switching from one unsustainable energy source to
another is not the answer. To

Nuclear energy is not unsustainable. It takes a miniscule amount of
nuclear material (U-233, U-235, and Pu-239) to create a sustainable
fissile reaction.


Mind if we bury the waste in your town?

Once we pump all of the oil out of the ground in the Middle East, we can
pump it underground in the vacant caves.



Zzzzzzzzzzzz..................
Bait someone else.

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Remove the other nations competing for the oil from the face of the map.
That should free up another 5 decades of the stuff.



......or..if the super wasteful US was removed from the equation...the
supply might last another millennium.



Hey....let's get sumthin straight there, Canadian boy. Everyone's got a
god-given right to own a HUMV, even if we have no family and never carry
anything but 3 bags of groceries. Sez so right thar in the bible.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Hey....let's get sumthin straight there, Canadian boy. Everyone's got a
god-given right to own a HUMV, even if we have no family and never carry
anything but 3 bags of groceries. Sez so right thar in the bible.

That's a very good place to start. people should require a 'special'
license to operate anything above a compact car or small pickup. I feel
that gasoline should be rationed to encourage less waste. Let's say..the
first 20 gallons a week at a affordable price...increasing to double that
for anything over..(a form of luxury tax).

"Don White" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Hey....let's get sumthin straight there, Canadian boy. Everyone's got a
god-given right to own a HUMV, even if we have no family and never carry
anything but 3 bags of groceries. Sez so right thar in the bible.

That's a very good place to start. people should require a 'special'
license to operate anything above a compact car or small pickup. I feel
that gasoline should be rationed to encourage less waste. Let's say..the
first 20 gallons a week at a affordable price...increasing to double that
for anything over..(a form of luxury tax).



Gawd, am I glad I live in America where I have the right to buy whatever
vehicle I want and use as much gas as I want to.

Gotta luv those HumVees and 59' Cadillacs.

"Don White" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Hey....let's get sumthin straight there, Canadian boy. Everyone's got a
god-given right to own a HUMV, even if we have no family and never carry
anything but 3 bags of groceries. Sez so right thar in the bible.

That's a very good place to start. people should require a 'special'
license to operate anything above a compact car or small pickup. I feel
that gasoline should be rationed to encourage less waste. Let's say..the
first 20 gallons a week at a affordable price...increasing to double that
for anything over..(a form of luxury tax).



Are you going to take away Eisboch's and his wife's fuel guzzling boats too?

Are you going to limit the amount of gas for folks that rely on their car
for business use?

Should air travel be banned?

Should we all be forced to buy MiniCoopers?

Should we limit the amount of electricity we can use? Electric power plants
burn plenty of fuel.

Better not buy that 5 hp Honda gas snowblower....you will be using up *your*
allotment of gas.;-)

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Gawd, am I glad I live in America where I have the right to buy whatever
vehicle I want and use as much gas as I want to.

Gotta luv those HumVees and 59' Cadillacs.


That's the good thing about our age. We'll probably be 6 feet under by the
time the crisis hits.

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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:42:10 +0000, Calif Bill wrote:


I will answer yours even though you avoid answering mine. Build
lots
of
nuclear power plants. Same thing we should be doing now. Wind and
solar
are not efficient enough to supply the countries needs. Then we
could
save the oil for the items that require them. And energy is not the
only
use of petroleum.

I would agree that nuclear energy has an important role in our
future,
but
we must be careful. Switching from one unsustainable energy source
to
another is not the answer. To

Nuclear energy is not unsustainable. It takes a miniscule amount of
nuclear material (U-233, U-235, and Pu-239) to create a sustainable
fissile reaction.


Mind if we bury the waste in your town?



There are places in the US where we can safely bury the waste. As to
high
level waste, there is really very little of it. As to radiation
pollution,
coal mining and burning releases exponentially more radiation than
Nuclear
plants.
There are stable mountains in Nevada, Salt Mines in several other states.
Encased in lead and glass, makes for a stable storage package. If you
are
going to live within the constraints of the energy available to us with
out
fission or fusion, then figure about 1/2 the people on earth will have to
leave. Oil and natural gas is also used for plastic, medicine,
fertilizer
outside the energy area. Thunder asked about the Olduvai Theory, is a
theory same as a lot of theories. Is not a given or provable. There is
going to be a major upheaval in the world as oil production decreases.
Middle East will be a violent place, and we will have to fend them off.
They get their food and manufactured goods from the West and East now.
But
with no oil money, there are going to have to try to take over arable
lands
outside their area. They have not done well in the last 2000 years since
they started as the cradle of civilization, been going downhill since.
They
could learn from the Israelis on how to produce food in less than ideal
conditions and with brackish water. But religion and extremists prevent
that. 50-100 years from now will be very interesting times for mankind.
Hope they survive.

The end of oil reservees in the near future has been predicted for years.
THe fact is that there are fstill plenty of sources that are currnetly not
economical to develop. As the readily available sources become scarcer,
those known deposits will become economically viable, as will alternate
energy sources.......synthetics, etc.

Aren't we coming up on "the" 30 years. Thirty years of oil left in the
ground and once it is gone we will have used it all up yet.

"Don White" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Hey....let's get sumthin straight there, Canadian boy. Everyone's got a
god-given right to own a HUMV, even if we have no family and never carry
anything but 3 bags of groceries. Sez so right thar in the bible.

That's a very good place to start. people should require a 'special'
license to operate anything above a compact car or small pickup. I feel
that gasoline should be rationed to encourage less waste. Let's say..the
first 20 gallons a week at a affordable price...increasing to double that
for anything over..(a form of luxury tax).



Probably a DINK (at least before retiring) with no decent sized boat to tow.

"JimH" wrote in message
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Are you going to limit the amount of gas for folks that rely on their car
for business use?

Probably not, but how about the moron who buys a full-size diesel pickup and
adds 1100 lbs of chrome accessories, but tows nothing, hauls nothing, and
doesn't need the truck for work in any way, shape or form. Just wants it
because the vertical back window shows off his collection of 100 decals he
bought at state fairs.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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Are you going to limit the amount of gas for folks that rely on their
car
for business use?

Probably not, but how about the moron who buys a full-size diesel pickup
and
adds 1100 lbs of chrome accessories, but tows nothing, hauls nothing, and
doesn't need the truck for work in any way, shape or form. Just wants it
because the vertical back window shows off his collection of 100 decals he
bought at state fairs.



IT is his truck. And he probably uses less fuel than if he towed a boat
with it. More fuel while towing and even more fuel in the boat.