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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 05:07:09 GMT, "RichG"
wrote: I'm not a troller, so my answer is without a lot of knowledge...however, it seems to me that many trollers put "trolling plates" on their motors to SLOW the boat down. The few times that I have trolled ( Alaska, etc.) we were running at 2 or 3 mph. Seems to me, that the drag created by ANY tab system would be beneficial????? That's an interesting question. If you are just trolling to scare up a fish, then yes. If you are looking for a BIG fish, then you need to get close to structure and here in New England, that means rocks - lots of rocks. A trolling plate can cause you control problems - in particular in strong currents or rips - oddly, that's where the big fish lurk. All my big stripers and bluefish have been caught within 50/60 feet of shore in and around rocks and rips. I'd rather have the ability to maneuver than have it restricted with a trolling plate. It's one problem that I have with the Ranger - I can't slow it down enough at slack tide for the really big stripers. Normally, I can work with the tides and rips to keep the speed down, but at other times, it's impossible. And, I know it sounds stupid, but 1/1.5 mph can make a difference. Later, Tom |
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 06:25:56 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 05:07:09 GMT, "RichG" wrote: I'm not a troller, so my answer is without a lot of knowledge...however, it seems to me that many trollers put "trolling plates" on their motors to SLOW the boat down. The few times that I have trolled ( Alaska, etc.) we were running at 2 or 3 mph. Seems to me, that the drag created by ANY tab system would be beneficial????? That's an interesting question. If you are just trolling to scare up a fish, then yes. If you are looking for a BIG fish, then you need to get close to structure and here in New England, that means rocks - lots of rocks. A trolling plate can cause you control problems - in particular in strong currents or rips - oddly, that's where the big fish lurk. All my big stripers and bluefish have been caught within 50/60 feet of shore in and around rocks and rips. I'd rather have the ability to maneuver than have it restricted with a trolling plate. It's one problem that I have with the Ranger - I can't slow it down enough at slack tide for the really big stripers. Normally, I can work with the tides and rips to keep the speed down, but at other times, it's impossible. And, I know it sounds stupid, but 1/1.5 mph can make a difference. Electric Trolling Motor... Have one - bow mounted 67# thrust 24 Vdc Great White. It's worse than the regular motor for this type of work. Later, Tom |
My comment on the "trolling plate" was in response to a prior question that
asked if Smart Tabs would slow a boat down when trolling. I thought "slowing a boat down " was a good thing when trolling, so that is why I mentioned the trolling plates. I was not recommending them, just commenting on how many I've seen advertised. ***************************** With regard to your query about your difficulty in trolling slower ....I don't know if it will work in your situation, but around here, to cut down on wind drift, I hang a "drag anchor" or small "sea anchor" out. Depending on which cleat I position it, I can set up a neat drift that matches my position along a shoreline. No reason it wouldn't positively affect a slow troll while under way. I've moved my boat short distances carefully while it was deployed. Might not work for you, but works here. -- RichG manager, Carolina Skiff Owners Group on MSN http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffOwners .. ************************************************** ****************888 "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 06:25:56 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 05:07:09 GMT, "RichG" wrote: I'm not a troller, so my answer is without a lot of knowledge...however, it seems to me that many trollers put "trolling plates" on their motors to SLOW the boat down. The few times that I have trolled ( Alaska, etc.) we were running at 2 or 3 mph. Seems to me, that the drag created by ANY tab system would be beneficial????? That's an interesting question. If you are just trolling to scare up a fish, then yes. If you are looking for a BIG fish, then you need to get close to structure and here in New England, that means rocks - lots of rocks. A trolling plate can cause you control problems - in particular in strong currents or rips - oddly, that's where the big fish lurk. All my big stripers and bluefish have been caught within 50/60 feet of shore in and around rocks and rips. I'd rather have the ability to maneuver than have it restricted with a trolling plate. It's one problem that I have with the Ranger - I can't slow it down enough at slack tide for the really big stripers. Normally, I can work with the tides and rips to keep the speed down, but at other times, it's impossible. And, I know it sounds stupid, but 1/1.5 mph can make a difference. Electric Trolling Motor... Have one - bow mounted 67# thrust 24 Vdc Great White. It's worse than the regular motor for this type of work. Later, Tom |
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:44:39 GMT, "RichG"
wrote: My comment on the "trolling plate" was in response to a prior question that asked if Smart Tabs would slow a boat down when trolling. I thought "slowing a boat down " was a good thing when trolling, so that is why I mentioned the trolling plates. I was not recommending them, just commenting on how many I've seen advertised. ***************************** With regard to your query about your difficulty in trolling slower ...I don't know if it will work in your situation, but around here, to cut down on wind drift, I hang a "drag anchor" or small "sea anchor" out. Depending on which cleat I position it, I can set up a neat drift that matches my position along a shoreline. No reason it wouldn't positively affect a slow troll while under way. I've moved my boat short distances carefully while it was deployed. Might not work for you, but works here. -- Trust me Rich - I've tried everything. :) It's an odd, quirky boat. It's not designed for the kind of use I need, but I was blinded by the fact that it's (1) a Ranger (2) a beautiful boat (3) trailerable (4) nice in big fresh water lakes, rivers. It's actually the reason I've been looking for a boat in between the Ranger and the Contender. Later, Tom |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Rich's post got me to looking - just for my own edification. This is from the Nauticus web site about Smart Tabs: **** "SPEED REGULATION SMART TABS start in a downward angel to maximize lift at slow speeds. As the boat accelerates, the water pushes up on the trim plates providing lift to the stern which minimizes bow rise, and allows the boat to plane quickly. Once the a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=water%20pressure" onmouseover="window.status='water pressure'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"water pressure/a exceeds the actuator load rating (maximum lift) the trim plates move up to a horizontal position eliminating any drag." Hell, awhile back, JoeTechnican and Calif Bill tried to tell me that trim tabs don't induce drag!!!!!! |
"basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Rich's post got me to looking - just for my own edification. This is from the Nauticus web site about Smart Tabs: **** "SPEED REGULATION SMART TABS start in a downward angel to maximize lift at slow speeds. As the boat accelerates, the water pushes up on the trim plates providing lift to the stern which minimizes bow rise, and allows the boat to plane quickly. Once the a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=water%20pressure" onmouseover="window.status='water pressure'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"water pressure/a exceeds the actuator load rating (maximum lift) the trim plates move up to a horizontal position eliminating any drag." Hell, awhile back, JoeTechnican and Calif Bill tried to tell me that trim tabs don't induce drag!!!!!! Google them up. |
Calif Bill wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Rich's post got me to looking - just for my own edification. This is from the Nauticus web site about Smart Tabs: **** "SPEED REGULATION SMART TABS start in a downward angel to maximize lift at slow speeds. As the boat accelerates, the water pushes up on the trim plates providing lift to the stern which minimizes bow rise, and allows the boat to plane quickly. Once the a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=water%20pressure" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=water%20pressure" onmouseover="window.status='water pressure'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"water pressure/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"water pressure/a exceeds the actuator load rating (maximum lift) the trim plates move up to a horizontal position eliminating any drag." Hell, awhile back, JoeTechnican and Calif Bill tried to tell me that trim tabs don't induce drag!!!!!! Google them up. Them? what's the matter, too senile to remember what you've said? |
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote ... A trolling plate can cause you control problems - in particular in strong currents or rips - oddly, that's where the big fish lurk. All my big stripers and bluefish have been caught within 50/60 feet of shore in and around rocks and rips. I'd rather have the ability to maneuver than have it restricted with a trolling plate. It's one problem that I have with the Ranger - I can't slow it down enough at slack tide for the really big stripers. Normally, I can work with the tides and rips to keep the speed down, but at other times, it's impossible. And, I know it sounds stupid, but 1/1.5 mph can make a difference. I expected to notice less control after installing a trolling plate on my 15hp kicker but it didn't happen. I troll for salmon and like the big slow roll of plug-cut herring at 1 to 1.5 mph. Even with the lowest pitch prop it was still too fast so I tried a spring loaded trolling plate. It did the trick without any control issues. The spring allows it to flip up with sufficient thrust from the prop when faster maneuvering is required. It handles fine manually and on the auto-pilot. -rick- |
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