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Jim and Anna December 14th 04 04:46 AM

9.9 High Thrust vs. 15hp outboard
 
I own a 22' Grady White with a 225 Yamaha. I need to replace the old
kicker. This engine main purpose is to get me home if the main one breaks
down. I was told that the 4 stroke 9.9hp High Thrust is a better outboard
choice than the 15hp. I cannot understand why an engine that has 33% more
hp would be not one to choose. Is the 9.9 High Thrust the best choice?
Jim



Calif Bill December 14th 04 05:08 AM


"Jim and Anna" wrote in message
news:jeuvd.59591$Af.2707@fed1read07...
I own a 22' Grady White with a 225 Yamaha. I need to replace the old
kicker. This engine main purpose is to get me home if the main one breaks
down. I was told that the 4 stroke 9.9hp High Thrust is a better outboard
choice than the 15hp. I cannot understand why an engine that has 33% more
hp would be not one to choose. Is the 9.9 High Thrust the best choice?
Jim



The high thrust is the best choice. The 9.9 may not be. I run a Yamaha T-8
high thrust on my 3400# aluminum jet boat. Get hull speed (6.5 mph) at
about 3/4 thottle. The 15 Mariner that it replaced would only get me about
5.5 at full throttle. The motors are designed to move sailboats and
displacement hulls at a lower speed. The T-8 and I think the 9.9 both have
25 hp gear cases, with lower gears. They now have the clearance to run a
bigger diameter, low pitch prop. This keeps the prop from cavitating and
moves the boat better than a small prop with a lot of slippage. As to the
9.9 and T-8, the T-8 has power tilt. You can also get it with remote
throttle. I love not having to reach over and lift the kicker on the OMC
bracket. I now have a fixed bracket and just push the button to tilt the
motor. Is the extra long shaft (25" it think). Mine was about $2300 2
years ago. I think the big Yamaha dealer in Florida sold them at about that
price, no tax and about $90 shipping. They may make a 9.9 power tilt now.



JAXAshby December 14th 04 01:23 PM

"high thrust" means the prop turns slower, nothing more.

Horsepower, on the other hand, MEANS thrust multiplied by rpm.

you are right, hp is hp and 15 of 'em is more than 9.9 of 'em.

"high thrust" vs hp is the old sales technique, "If you can't dazzle them with
brilliance, baffle them with bull****."

hp is hp.

I own a 22' Grady White with a 225 Yamaha. I need to replace the old
kicker. This engine main purpose is to get me home if the main one breaks
down. I was told that the 4 stroke 9.9hp High Thrust is a better outboard
choice than the 15hp. I cannot understand why an engine that has 33% more
hp would be not one to choose. Is the 9.9 High Thrust the best choice?
Jim











JAXAshby December 14th 04 01:25 PM

billie, be quiet. you don't have a clew what the relationship is between
horsepower and thrust. knock it off. the guy asked a valid question and you
want to babble on like you are on your 5th beer.

From: "Calif Bill"
Date: 12/14/2004 12:08 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: t


"Jim and Anna" wrote in message
news:jeuvd.59591$Af.2707@fed1read07...
I own a 22' Grady White with a 225 Yamaha. I need to replace the old
kicker. This engine main purpose is to get me home if the main one breaks
down. I was told that the 4 stroke 9.9hp High Thrust is a better outboard
choice than the 15hp. I cannot understand why an engine that has 33% more
hp would be not one to choose. Is the 9.9 High Thrust the best choice?
Jim



The high thrust is the best choice. The 9.9 may not be. I run a Yamaha T-8
high thrust on my 3400# aluminum jet boat. Get hull speed (6.5 mph) at
about 3/4 thottle. The 15 Mariner that it replaced would only get me about
5.5 at full throttle. The motors are designed to move sailboats and
displacement hulls at a lower speed. The T-8 and I think the 9.9 both have
25 hp gear cases, with lower gears. They now have the clearance to run a
bigger diameter, low pitch prop. This keeps the prop from cavitating and
moves the boat better than a small prop with a lot of slippage. As to the
9.9 and T-8, the T-8 has power tilt. You can also get it with remote
throttle. I love not having to reach over and lift the kicker on the OMC
bracket. I now have a fixed bracket and just push the button to tilt the
motor. Is the extra long shaft (25" it think). Mine was about $2300 2
years ago. I think the big Yamaha dealer in Florida sold them at about that
price, no tax and about $90 shipping. They may make a 9.9 power tilt now.











[email protected] December 14th 04 02:52 PM

I bought the Honda 9.9 a year or so ago. An acquaintance advised me to
not by the high thrust model, but to buy the high thrust prop only.
(Maybe Honda calls it Power Thrust) By doing so I saved about $75 as I
recall. The only difference? I didn't get the "Power Thrust" decal on
the cowling. And I'm ahead by one standard prop which is my spare.

Maybe Yamaha's marketing of the bigger prop is as silly as Honda's?
Dale


JAXAshby December 14th 04 05:34 PM

a non-sense answer, billie. however, no more than what can be expected of you.




Date: 12/14/2004 10:31 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

On 14 Dec 2004 13:23:48 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

"high thrust" means the prop turns slower, nothing more.

Horsepower, on the other hand, MEANS thrust multiplied by rpm.

you are right, hp is hp and 15 of 'em is more than 9.9 of 'em.

"high thrust" vs hp is the old sales technique, "If you can't dazzle them

with
brilliance, baffle them with bull****."

hp is hp.

I own a 22' Grady White with a 225 Yamaha. I need to replace the old
kicker. This engine main purpose is to get me home if the main one breaks
down. I was told that the 4 stroke 9.9hp High Thrust is a better outboard
choice than the 15hp. I cannot understand why an engine that has 33% more
hp would be not one to choose. Is the 9.9 High Thrust the best choice?
Jim


Which would do a better job of moving a heavy barge at 4 knots

a.) a 1000 hp tug boat
b.) a 1000 hp cigarette boat

BB









Calif Bill December 14th 04 06:37 PM

You can only put so much diameter prop on the leg. The High Thrust have a
bigger area for prop and the gear it down so it turns the bigger prop
slower. Less slip.

wrote in message
oups.com...
I bought the Honda 9.9 a year or so ago. An acquaintance advised me to
not by the high thrust model, but to buy the high thrust prop only.
(Maybe Honda calls it Power Thrust) By doing so I saved about $75 as I
recall. The only difference? I didn't get the "Power Thrust" decal on
the cowling. And I'm ahead by one standard prop which is my spare.

Maybe Yamaha's marketing of the bigger prop is as silly as Honda's?
Dale




Calif Bill December 14th 04 06:39 PM

Jaxass, you be quiet, you do not have a clue about anything! What happens
if you put a 250 HP O/B with a small surface piercing prop on the boat.
Good kicker? Lots more HP!

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
billie, be quiet. you don't have a clew what the relationship is between
horsepower and thrust. knock it off. the guy asked a valid question and

you
want to babble on like you are on your 5th beer.

From: "Calif Bill"
Date: 12/14/2004 12:08 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: t


"Jim and Anna" wrote in message
news:jeuvd.59591$Af.2707@fed1read07...
I own a 22' Grady White with a 225 Yamaha. I need to replace the old
kicker. This engine main purpose is to get me home if the main one

breaks
down. I was told that the 4 stroke 9.9hp High Thrust is a better

outboard
choice than the 15hp. I cannot understand why an engine that has 33%

more
hp would be not one to choose. Is the 9.9 High Thrust the best choice?
Jim



The high thrust is the best choice. The 9.9 may not be. I run a Yamaha

T-8
high thrust on my 3400# aluminum jet boat. Get hull speed (6.5 mph) at
about 3/4 thottle. The 15 Mariner that it replaced would only get me

about
5.5 at full throttle. The motors are designed to move sailboats and
displacement hulls at a lower speed. The T-8 and I think the 9.9 both

have
25 hp gear cases, with lower gears. They now have the clearance to run a
bigger diameter, low pitch prop. This keeps the prop from cavitating

and
moves the boat better than a small prop with a lot of slippage. As to

the
9.9 and T-8, the T-8 has power tilt. You can also get it with remote
throttle. I love not having to reach over and lift the kicker on the OMC
bracket. I now have a fixed bracket and just push the button to tilt the
motor. Is the extra long shaft (25" it think). Mine was about $2300 2
years ago. I think the big Yamaha dealer in Florida sold them at about

that
price, no tax and about $90 shipping. They may make a 9.9 power tilt

now.













JAXAshby December 14th 04 06:43 PM

P. T. Barnum would love ya, dood.

You can only put so much diameter prop on the leg. The High Thrust have a
bigger area for prop and the gear it down so it turns the bigger prop
slower. Less slip.

wrote in message
roups.com...
I bought the Honda 9.9 a year or so ago. An acquaintance advised me to
not by the high thrust model, but to buy the high thrust prop only.
(Maybe Honda calls it Power Thrust) By doing so I saved about $75 as I
recall. The only difference? I didn't get the "Power Thrust" decal on
the cowling. And I'm ahead by one standard prop which is my spare.

Maybe Yamaha's marketing of the bigger prop is as silly as Honda's?
Dale












JAXAshby December 14th 04 06:45 PM

billie, attempting rational discussion with you is a useless as attempting such
with dog pile jeggies.

what a waste of good oxygen.

From: "Calif Bill"
Date: 12/14/2004 1:39 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: t

Jaxass, you be quiet, you do not have a clue about anything! What happens
if you put a 250 HP O/B with a small surface piercing prop on the boat.
Good kicker? Lots more HP!

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
billie, be quiet. you don't have a clew what the relationship is between
horsepower and thrust. knock it off. the guy asked a valid question and

you
want to babble on like you are on your 5th beer.

From: "Calif Bill"

Date: 12/14/2004 12:08 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: t


"Jim and Anna" wrote in message
news:jeuvd.59591$Af.2707@fed1read07...
I own a 22' Grady White with a 225 Yamaha. I need to replace the old
kicker. This engine main purpose is to get me home if the main one

breaks
down. I was told that the 4 stroke 9.9hp High Thrust is a better

outboard
choice than the 15hp. I cannot understand why an engine that has 33%

more
hp would be not one to choose. Is the 9.9 High Thrust the best choice?
Jim



The high thrust is the best choice. The 9.9 may not be. I run a Yamaha

T-8
high thrust on my 3400# aluminum jet boat. Get hull speed (6.5 mph) at
about 3/4 thottle. The 15 Mariner that it replaced would only get me

about
5.5 at full throttle. The motors are designed to move sailboats and
displacement hulls at a lower speed. The T-8 and I think the 9.9 both

have
25 hp gear cases, with lower gears. They now have the clearance to run a
bigger diameter, low pitch prop. This keeps the prop from cavitating

and
moves the boat better than a small prop with a lot of slippage. As to

the
9.9 and T-8, the T-8 has power tilt. You can also get it with remote
throttle. I love not having to reach over and lift the kicker on the OMC
bracket. I now have a fixed bracket and just push the button to tilt the
motor. Is the extra long shaft (25" it think). Mine was about $2300 2
years ago. I think the big Yamaha dealer in Florida sold them at about

that
price, no tax and about $90 shipping. They may make a 9.9 power tilt

now.





















JAXAshby December 14th 04 09:22 PM

billie, and you and dog pile are a pair. but let me answer your questions.

So, Genie-ass, can you answer the very easy question?

Do you know the difference between torque and horsepower?


This question was answered, by me, a couple posts back. apparently, you either
were not paying attention, or you are not capable of understanding. if the
later, ask a high school kid to explain it to you.
next:

Do you know the difference between an over-square and an under-square
engine?


yes. and, like tens of thousands of others, I knew the difference while still
an early teenager.

next?

BB




Calif Bill December 15th 04 03:32 AM


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
billie, attempting rational discussion with you is a useless as attempting

such
with dog pile jeggies.

what a waste of good oxygen.


That is true, you are completely irrational!



Calif Bill December 16th 04 07:26 AM

No Jaxass you did not answer the thrust / RPM question completely. And you
explain to me how over-sq and under-sq differ. And why an over-sq engine
spins faster. Hint on your test. Use an engine with a 2" bore and a 20'
stroke.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
billie, I DID answer it and answer it completely. go back and read the

posts.
get some high school kid to help you. the answer is there and it was the
complete answer.

in addition, you did answer your question re square vs over-square

engines, in
that yes I do know the difference. now, let me ask you a question. do

*you*,
shakeytown billie, how sq vs ov-sq affects degrees rotation the piston is
stopped at BDC? A yes or no answer is fine, while a one or two sentence
explanation is better.

have fun.

From: "Calif Bill"
Date: 12/14/2004 10:36 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: . net


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
billie, and you and dog pile are a pair. but let me answer your

questions.

So, Genie-ass, can you answer the very easy question?

Do you know the difference between torque and horsepower?

This question was answered, by me, a couple posts back. apparently,

you
either
were not paying attention, or you are not capable of understanding. if

the
later, ask a high school kid to explain it to you.
next:

Do you know the difference between an over-square and an under-square
engine?


yes. and, like tens of thousands of others, I knew the difference

while
still
an early teenager.

next?

BB



Well, then answer them. You did not answer the question regards thrust

and
RPM and Horse power earlier. I admit you probably do know horse ****.













J Merrill December 16th 04 01:18 PM


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
billie, I repeat, hp IS thrust ****multiplied*** by rpm times a factor.
Remember that, that is not going to change withing your lifetime.


No Horsepower is Thrust thru a distance. It is also Torque multiplied by RPM
times a factor.

But in the subject case you should look at the Usable HP and Thrust in your
application. Just because a motor is rated 15HP at some RPM does not mean
you can actually use it at 15HP in your application.




Calif Bill December 16th 04 08:52 PM

You have not answered the question on the test I gave you. Remember the
hint of long, long stroke and 2" bore.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
billie, I repeat, hp IS thrust ****multiplied*** by rpm times a factor.
Remember that, that is not going to change withing your lifetime.

over square does NOT "spin faster", but rather -can- spin at greater rpm
without running into the limits of piston speed.

btw, diesels typcially are under-square.

now, yo-yo billie, a question for you. Why do diesels typically have

longer
connecting rods compared to their strokes as compared to gas engines.

Question #2: how does connecting rod length vs stroke affect degrees

rotation
of the piston at dead stop?

have fun.

From: "Calif Bill"
Date: 12/16/2004 2:26 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: t

No Jaxass you did not answer the thrust / RPM question completely. And

you
explain to me how over-sq and under-sq differ. And why an over-sq engine
spins faster. Hint on your test. Use an engine with a 2" bore and a 20'
stroke.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
billie, I DID answer it and answer it completely. go back and read the

posts.
get some high school kid to help you. the answer is there and it was

the
complete answer.

in addition, you did answer your question re square vs over-square

engines, in
that yes I do know the difference. now, let me ask you a question. do

*you*,
shakeytown billie, how sq vs ov-sq affects degrees rotation the piston

is
stopped at BDC? A yes or no answer is fine, while a one or two

sentence
explanation is better.

have fun.

From: "Calif Bill"

Date: 12/14/2004 10:36 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: . net


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
billie, and you and dog pile are a pair. but let me answer your
questions.

So, Genie-ass, can you answer the very easy question?

Do you know the difference between torque and horsepower?

This question was answered, by me, a couple posts back. apparently,

you
either
were not paying attention, or you are not capable of understanding.

if
the
later, ask a high school kid to explain it to you.
next:

Do you know the difference between an over-square and an

under-square
engine?


yes. and, like tens of thousands of others, I knew the difference

while
still
an early teenager.

next?

BB



Well, then answer them. You did not answer the question regards

thrust
and
RPM and Horse power earlier. I admit you probably do know horse

****.























Calif Bill December 16th 04 08:54 PM

HP is not thrust multiplied by RPM. Is torgue multiplied by RPM. And
Thrust over a distance relates to horsepower.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
billie, I repeat, hp IS thrust ****multiplied*** by rpm times a factor.
Remember that, that is not going to change withing your lifetime.

over square does NOT "spin faster", but rather -can- spin at greater rpm
without running into the limits of piston speed.

btw, diesels typcially are under-square.

now, yo-yo billie, a question for you. Why do diesels typically have

longer
connecting rods compared to their strokes as compared to gas engines.

Question #2: how does connecting rod length vs stroke affect degrees

rotation
of the piston at dead stop?

have fun.

From: "Calif Bill"
Date: 12/16/2004 2:26 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: t

No Jaxass you did not answer the thrust / RPM question completely. And

you
explain to me how over-sq and under-sq differ. And why an over-sq engine
spins faster. Hint on your test. Use an engine with a 2" bore and a 20'
stroke.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
billie, I DID answer it and answer it completely. go back and read the

posts.
get some high school kid to help you. the answer is there and it was

the
complete answer.

in addition, you did answer your question re square vs over-square

engines, in
that yes I do know the difference. now, let me ask you a question. do

*you*,
shakeytown billie, how sq vs ov-sq affects degrees rotation the piston

is
stopped at BDC? A yes or no answer is fine, while a one or two

sentence
explanation is better.

have fun.

From: "Calif Bill"

Date: 12/14/2004 10:36 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: . net


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
billie, and you and dog pile are a pair. but let me answer your
questions.

So, Genie-ass, can you answer the very easy question?

Do you know the difference between torque and horsepower?

This question was answered, by me, a couple posts back. apparently,

you
either
were not paying attention, or you are not capable of understanding.

if
the
later, ask a high school kid to explain it to you.
next:

Do you know the difference between an over-square and an

under-square
engine?


yes. and, like tens of thousands of others, I knew the difference

while
still
an early teenager.

next?

BB



Well, then answer them. You did not answer the question regards

thrust
and
RPM and Horse power earlier. I admit you probably do know horse

****.























JAXAshby December 16th 04 11:55 PM

billie, are you trying to show us you are even dumber than dog pile jeffies?

it has been explained to you, and explained in terms even a 10 girl
understands. if you are STILL having problems catching on, ask jeffie's wife
to explain it to you. she has lots of practise with idgits.

From: "Calif Bill"
Date: 12/16/2004 3:52 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: et

You have not answered the question on the test I gave you. Remember the
hint of long, long stroke and 2" bore.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
billie, I repeat, hp IS thrust ****multiplied*** by rpm times a factor.
Remember that, that is not going to change withing your lifetime.

over square does NOT "spin faster", but rather -can- spin at greater rpm
without running into the limits of piston speed.

btw, diesels typcially are under-square.

now, yo-yo billie, a question for you. Why do diesels typically have

longer
connecting rods compared to their strokes as compared to gas engines.

Question #2: how does connecting rod length vs stroke affect degrees

rotation
of the piston at dead stop?

have fun.

From: "Calif Bill"

Date: 12/16/2004 2:26 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: t

No Jaxass you did not answer the thrust / RPM question completely. And

you
explain to me how over-sq and under-sq differ. And why an over-sq engine
spins faster. Hint on your test. Use an engine with a 2" bore and a 20'
stroke.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
billie, I DID answer it and answer it completely. go back and read the
posts.
get some high school kid to help you. the answer is there and it was

the
complete answer.

in addition, you did answer your question re square vs over-square
engines, in
that yes I do know the difference. now, let me ask you a question. do
*you*,
shakeytown billie, how sq vs ov-sq affects degrees rotation the piston

is
stopped at BDC? A yes or no answer is fine, while a one or two

sentence
explanation is better.

have fun.

From: "Calif Bill"

Date: 12/14/2004 10:36 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: . net


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
billie, and you and dog pile are a pair. but let me answer your
questions.

So, Genie-ass, can you answer the very easy question?

Do you know the difference between torque and horsepower?

This question was answered, by me, a couple posts back. apparently,
you
either
were not paying attention, or you are not capable of understanding.

if
the
later, ask a high school kid to explain it to you.
next:

Do you know the difference between an over-square and an

under-square
engine?


yes. and, like tens of thousands of others, I knew the difference
while
still
an early teenager.

next?

BB



Well, then answer them. You did not answer the question regards

thrust
and
RPM and Horse power earlier. I admit you probably do know horse

****.































JAXAshby December 16th 04 11:59 PM

HP is not thrust multiplied by RPM. Is torgue multiplied by RPM. And
Thrust over a distance relates to horsepower.


stew ped billie, both your statements above are incorrect UNLESS you include
the term "times a factor" is each. Then each is correct.

[hint you fumb duck: how does the factor in the thrust calc varies with the
prop pitch? duh.]



Calif Bill December 17th 04 03:51 AM

hey, squathead, it is not thrust! IS TORQUE TIMES RPM TIMES A FACTOR!.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
hey, squathead, watch closely as I know the rest of the world that you

have no
frickin' clew how to read.

billie, I repeat, hp IS thrust ****multiplied*** by rpm times a

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------- factor
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------.
Remember that, that is not going to change withing your lifetime.


catch it? the rest of the world did.

No Horsepower is Thrust thru a distance. It is also Torque multiplied by

RPM
times a factor.






Calif Bill December 17th 04 03:52 AM

Idiot!

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
billie, are you trying to show us you are even dumber than dog pile

jeffies?

it has been explained to you, and explained in terms even a 10 girl
understands. if you are STILL having problems catching on, ask jeffie's

wife
to explain it to you. she has lots of practise with idgits.

From: "Calif Bill"
Date: 12/16/2004 3:52 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: et

You have not answered the question on the test I gave you. Remember the
hint of long, long stroke and 2" bore.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
billie, I repeat, hp IS thrust ****multiplied*** by rpm times a factor.
Remember that, that is not going to change withing your lifetime.

over square does NOT "spin faster", but rather -can- spin at greater

rpm
without running into the limits of piston speed.

btw, diesels typcially are under-square.

now, yo-yo billie, a question for you. Why do diesels typically have

longer
connecting rods compared to their strokes as compared to gas engines.

Question #2: how does connecting rod length vs stroke affect degrees

rotation
of the piston at dead stop?

have fun.

From: "Calif Bill"

Date: 12/16/2004 2:26 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: t

No Jaxass you did not answer the thrust / RPM question completely.

And
you
explain to me how over-sq and under-sq differ. And why an over-sq

engine
spins faster. Hint on your test. Use an engine with a 2" bore and a

20'
stroke.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
billie, I DID answer it and answer it completely. go back and read

the
posts.
get some high school kid to help you. the answer is there and it

was
the
complete answer.

in addition, you did answer your question re square vs over-square
engines, in
that yes I do know the difference. now, let me ask you a question.

do
*you*,
shakeytown billie, how sq vs ov-sq affects degrees rotation the

piston
is
stopped at BDC? A yes or no answer is fine, while a one or two

sentence
explanation is better.

have fun.

From: "Calif Bill"

Date: 12/14/2004 10:36 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: . net


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
billie, and you and dog pile are a pair. but let me answer your
questions.

So, Genie-ass, can you answer the very easy question?

Do you know the difference between torque and horsepower?

This question was answered, by me, a couple posts back.

apparently,
you
either
were not paying attention, or you are not capable of

understanding.
if
the
later, ask a high school kid to explain it to you.
next:

Do you know the difference between an over-square and an

under-square
engine?


yes. and, like tens of thousands of others, I knew the

difference
while
still
an early teenager.

next?

BB



Well, then answer them. You did not answer the question regards

thrust
and
RPM and Horse power earlier. I admit you probably do know horse

****.

































Calif Bill December 17th 04 03:52 AM

You are still an idiot!

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
HP is not thrust multiplied by RPM. Is torgue multiplied by RPM. And
Thrust over a distance relates to horsepower.


stew ped billie, both your statements above are incorrect UNLESS you

include
the term "times a factor" is each. Then each is correct.

[hint you fumb duck: how does the factor in the thrust calc varies with

the
prop pitch? duh.]





JAXAshby December 17th 04 11:28 AM

what is, you frickin drunk?

hey, squathead, it is not thrust! IS TORQUE TIMES RPM TIMES A FACTOR!.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
hey, squathead, watch closely as I know the rest of the world that you

have no
frickin' clew how to read.

billie, I repeat, hp IS thrust ****multiplied*** by rpm times a

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------- factor
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------.
Remember that, that is not going to change withing your lifetime.


catch it? the rest of the world did.

No Horsepower is Thrust thru a distance. It is also Torque multiplied by

RPM
times a factor.














JAXAshby December 17th 04 11:30 AM

billie, you have had way too much to drink. go sleep it off.

From: "Calif Bill"
Date: 12/16/2004 10:52 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: et

Idiot!

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
billie, are you trying to show us you are even dumber than dog pile

jeffies?

it has been explained to you, and explained in terms even a 10 girl
understands. if you are STILL having problems catching on, ask jeffie's

wife
to explain it to you. she has lots of practise with idgits.

From: "Calif Bill"

Date: 12/16/2004 3:52 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: et

You have not answered the question on the test I gave you. Remember the
hint of long, long stroke and 2" bore.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
billie, I repeat, hp IS thrust ****multiplied*** by rpm times a factor.
Remember that, that is not going to change withing your lifetime.

over square does NOT "spin faster", but rather -can- spin at greater

rpm
without running into the limits of piston speed.

btw, diesels typcially are under-square.

now, yo-yo billie, a question for you. Why do diesels typically have
longer
connecting rods compared to their strokes as compared to gas engines.

Question #2: how does connecting rod length vs stroke affect degrees
rotation
of the piston at dead stop?

have fun.

From: "Calif Bill"

Date: 12/16/2004 2:26 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: t

No Jaxass you did not answer the thrust / RPM question completely.

And
you
explain to me how over-sq and under-sq differ. And why an over-sq

engine
spins faster. Hint on your test. Use an engine with a 2" bore and a

20'
stroke.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
billie, I DID answer it and answer it completely. go back and read

the
posts.
get some high school kid to help you. the answer is there and it

was
the
complete answer.

in addition, you did answer your question re square vs over-square
engines, in
that yes I do know the difference. now, let me ask you a question.

do
*you*,
shakeytown billie, how sq vs ov-sq affects degrees rotation the

piston
is
stopped at BDC? A yes or no answer is fine, while a one or two
sentence
explanation is better.

have fun.

From: "Calif Bill"

Date: 12/14/2004 10:36 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: . net


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
billie, and you and dog pile are a pair. but let me answer your
questions.

So, Genie-ass, can you answer the very easy question?

Do you know the difference between torque and horsepower?

This question was answered, by me, a couple posts back.

apparently,
you
either
were not paying attention, or you are not capable of

understanding.
if
the
later, ask a high school kid to explain it to you.
next:

Do you know the difference between an over-square and an
under-square
engine?


yes. and, like tens of thousands of others, I knew the

difference
while
still
an early teenager.

next?

BB



Well, then answer them. You did not answer the question regards
thrust
and
RPM and Horse power earlier. I admit you probably do know horse
****.









































JAXAshby December 17th 04 11:36 AM

billie, if you were not pie-eyed drunk, maybe you would understand the easy
things. "easy things" does seem to include that fact that "high thrust" has
no meaning in and of itself. 500# of thrust at 50 rpm (on a 6" pitch prop) is
less hp than 50# thust at 500 rpm (on an 8" pitch prop).

wanna tell us just how many degrees crank rotation the piston is stopped BDC on
an engine with a "long" connecting rod as compared to the same engine with a
"short" rod (something most any woman you have every known complained about, at
least behind your back).

From: "Calif Bill"
Date: 12/16/2004 10:52 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: . net

You are still an idiot!

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
HP is not thrust multiplied by RPM. Is torgue multiplied by RPM. And
Thrust over a distance relates to horsepower.


stew ped billie, both your statements above are incorrect UNLESS you

include
the term "times a factor" is each. Then each is correct.

[hint you fumb duck: how does the factor in the thrust calc varies with

the
prop pitch? duh.]














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