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2.2 hp big enough as a kicker?
I just picked up a canoe that came with a 2.2 HP merc. Would this be
powerful enough to use as a troller / kicker for my 17 1/2' fiberglass sea ray? I was hoping it could serve to get us home if the main motor ever quits. -- Denis Roy D. Roy Woodcraft www.ideasinwood.com |
On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 22:03:40 GMT, "Denis Roy"
wrote: I just picked up a canoe that came with a 2.2 HP merc. Would this be powerful enough to use as a troller / kicker for my 17 1/2' fiberglass sea ray? I was hoping it could serve to get us home if the main motor ever quits. It's a little small for that - it will move you along certainly, but against a wind, forget it. Later, Tom |
On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 22:30:31 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: It's a little small for that - it will move you along certainly, but against a wind, forget it. =============================== Yes, flat water, no wind, it would be OK. I once took a 40 foot, 20,000 pound sail boat into the dock at Marthas Vineyard using a dinghy tied along side with a 2 hp Evinrude on it. With any kind of wind or sea you would need something in the 10 to 15 hp range to make any forward progress. |
Denis Roy wrote:
I just picked up a canoe that came with a 2.2 HP merc. Would this be powerful enough to use as a troller / kicker for my 17 1/2' fiberglass sea ray? I was hoping it could serve to get us home if the main motor ever quits. -- Denis Roy D. Roy Woodcraft www.ideasinwood.com It's not ideal but will definitely move the boat in flat water & surprisingly well. Most of those little motors, save they're blocked up with salt in the water jacket, can be run pretty hard for long periods but still it's best to use as little throttle as is needed, because it will take a while no matter what:-) In the even it's rough & windy in open water then it probably won't allow you to bash to windward etc but you will still have some control off or down wind, even if only to pick a soft landing spot:-); however it's still better than oars (a "good" oars person with proper row locks etc can generate about 1/4HP) or worse nothing at all:-) K |
I just picked up a canoe that came with a 2.2 HP merc. Would this be
powerful enough to use as a troller / kicker for my 17 1/2' fiberglass sea ray? I was hoping it could serve to get us home if the main motor ever quits. I suspect it will have trouble going up hills, other than that it will get you there. |
Denis,
I have a friend who once owned a small 16' or 17' aluminum Lund with a 60 HP tiller steer motor. The motor crapped out on us one day on the Illinois river during a walleye tournament. His Yamaha BHP kicker moved us up river at 3-4 MPH (GPS) for the 4-5 mile trip back to the ramp. WOT the whole time and the single cylinder motor was loud as hell for its small size. The current wasn't particularly strong that day since the water level was fairly low and the dam was barely open. The boat you describe probably weighs 50% more so your results could be very disappointing. The upside is you have the motor and you can test it in a variety of conditions. My bet is you will want to get a 9.9HP with the kicker gear case and prop (Mercury calls theirs the "Bigfoot") as an absolute minimum unless you are on a very small lake all of the time. Good luck, Dan Denis Roy wrote: I just picked up a canoe that came with a 2.2 HP merc. Would this be powerful enough to use as a troller / kicker for my 17 1/2' fiberglass sea ray? I was hoping it could serve to get us home if the main motor ever quits. -- Denis Roy D. Roy Woodcraft www.ideasinwood.com |
Exactly. Sea Tow is a cheaper "get home" plan than a very small kicker in the
big water. You could buy a 90 year subscription for the price of a kicker that you have to keep maintained. Dan Harry Krause wrote: Denis Roy wrote: I just picked up a canoe that came with a 2.2 HP merc. Would this be powerful enough to use as a troller / kicker for my 17 1/2' fiberglass sea ray? I was hoping it could serve to get us home if the main motor ever quits. -- Denis Roy D. Roy Woodcraft www.ideasinwood.com Maybe on a small inland lake. It would be almost useless on the ocean or a bay where there are strong winds, currents, tides, waves, et cetera. |
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On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 00:26:13 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: Going up hills.....BBBBAAAAWWWAAAHHHAAAAA!!!!!!!! Hills.. ====================== I've seen plenty of hills off the Rhode Island and Maine coasts. They also move. I think you would agree that a 2.2 hp is no match for a moving hill. |
On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 20:30:43 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 00:26:13 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Going up hills.....BBBBAAAAWWWAAAHHHAAAAA!!!!!!!! Hills.. ====================== I've seen plenty of hills off the Rhode Island and Maine coasts. They also move. I think you would agree that a 2.2 hp is no match for a moving hill. Sorry - I keep forgetting that my unfortunate brand of humor doesn't seem to work on this august body of great and not so great personages. Sometimes I just can't help myself. :) Later, Tom |
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 20:30:43 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 00:26:13 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Going up hills.....BBBBAAAAWWWAAAHHHAAAAA!!!!!!!! Hills.. ====================== I've seen plenty of hills off the Rhode Island and Maine coasts. They also move. I think you would agree that a 2.2 hp is no match for a moving hill. Sorry - I keep forgetting that my unfortunate brand of humor doesn't seem to work on this august body of great and not so great personages. Sometimes I just can't help myself. :) Later, Tom Remember the Quicksilver surf contest is the "men who ride mountains". Bill |
The thread went:"snip..Subject: 2.2 hp big enough as a kicker?
I've seen plenty of hills off the Rhode Island and Maine coasts. They also move. I think you would agree that a 2.2 hp is no match for a moving hill..." Moving hills can be a problem, but a source of merriment at my marina (San Diego) is watching outbound sailboats being slowly driven back in stern first as their 9.9 outboard is running at 12000rpm in fwd! Better too much engine then too little..you can always throttle back. Mike |
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 03:08:50 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 20:30:43 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 00:26:13 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Going up hills.....BBBBAAAAWWWAAAHHHAAAAA!!!!!!!! Hills.. ====================== I've seen plenty of hills off the Rhode Island and Maine coasts. They also move. I think you would agree that a 2.2 hp is no match for a moving hill. Sorry - I keep forgetting that my unfortunate brand of humor doesn't seem to work on this august body of great and not so great personages. Sometimes I just can't help myself. :) Remember the Quicksilver surf contest is the "men who ride mountains". I've actually seen some of those "mountains" in Guam of all places. And, without getting into the great "wave height" debate, I have some pictures around here my Dad's XO took on convoy duty in the North Atlantic during WWII when he commanded a DE. Them's some BIG waves. I used to love to hear the stories he and his shipmates used to tell about asking their Group Commander for submariner designation because they spent more time under and through the waves than over them. :) Hey, it was funny to a kid. :) Later, Tom |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... And, without getting into the great "wave height" debate, I have some pictures around here my Dad's XO took on convoy duty in the North Atlantic during WWII when he commanded a DE. Them's some BIG waves. I used to love to hear the stories he and his shipmates used to tell about asking their Group Commander for submariner designation because they spent more time under and through the waves than over them. :) Hey, it was funny to a kid. :) Later, Tom Since we're telling sea tales .... Back in prehistoric times when I was stationed on the USS Van Voorhis (DE-1028), we took a 56 degree roll while testing a new sonar array. This was somewhere off the east coast and the waves were the result of a tropical storm about 100 miles from us. I was told that the ship was designed for a max of 64 degrees before it was retrofitted with a top heavy DASH hanger. Made the Newport RI newspapers. Eisboch |
On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 06:51:14 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . And, without getting into the great "wave height" debate, I have some pictures around here my Dad's XO took on convoy duty in the North Atlantic during WWII when he commanded a DE. Them's some BIG waves. I used to love to hear the stories he and his shipmates used to tell about asking their Group Commander for submariner designation because they spent more time under and through the waves than over them. :) Hey, it was funny to a kid. :) Since we're telling sea tales .... Back in prehistoric times when I was stationed on the USS Van Voorhis (DE-1028), we took a 56 degree roll while testing a new sonar array. This was somewhere off the east coast and the waves were the result of a tropical storm about 100 miles from us. I was told that the ship was designed for a max of 64 degrees before it was retrofitted with a top heavy DASH hanger. Made the Newport RI newspapers. I remember reading something about that - it made the national news too didn't it? By the by, you mentioned yesterday about reading for lawn mowing relief. Ever read Terry Pratchett? I highly recommend any of his books if you are just in for simple amusement. There are around 27 in the series and they are divided into several subseries. I would suggest "Wyrd Sisters" from the Witch series, "Guards, Guards" from the Night Watch series and "Mort" from the Death series. You might also want to look for a stand alone Pratchett book "Good Omens" which was written with Neil Gaiman. This is a great send up of society in general and is hysterical - I've read it several times and it's just as funny as it was the first time. Later, Tom - Who really needs to get back to work and finish some cabinet doors. |
I just picked up a canoe that came with a 2.2 HP merc. Would this be
powerful enough to use as a troller / kicker for my 17 1/2' fiberglass sea ray? I was hoping it could serve to get us home if the main motor ever quits. -- Denis Roy D. Roy Woodcraft www.ideasinwood.co ================================== I"ve been using a 4 HP Evinrude as a kicker on my 21 footer for some 12 years. Its OK in slack water and I tried using it to return to the marina (about 2 miles) just to see if it would do the job. It got me in, but there was no wind or current. It works fine for trolling, tho, and I noted a speed of 4 knots according to the Loran. |
Thanks to all who have replied.
The place we like to go fishing is only a few miles from homebase. If ever the kicker were needed it would be to push us downstream. The area of concern is a short area of whitewater where you need good power to steer the current. It might be somewhat suicidal with this kicker. I was just trying to decide if it was worth making new holes in the fiberglass to try it. -- Denis Roy D. Roy Woodcraft www.ideasinwood.com "N.L. Eckert" wrote in message ... I just picked up a canoe that came with a 2.2 HP merc. Would this be powerful enough to use as a troller / kicker for my 17 1/2' fiberglass sea ray? I was hoping it could serve to get us home if the main motor ever quits. -- Denis Roy D. Roy Woodcraft www.ideasinwood.co ================================== I"ve been using a 4 HP Evinrude as a kicker on my 21 footer for some 12 years. Its OK in slack water and I tried using it to return to the marina (about 2 miles) just to see if it would do the job. It got me in, but there was no wind or current. It works fine for trolling, tho, and I noted a speed of 4 knots according to the Loran. |
I suppose that would depend on how far away home would be.
I had a 2 horse Evinrude and found out that I could row faster. But in calm water, if you weren't in a hurry, it would push a 14 footer quite nicely. The Evinrude had a very inefficient prop, maybe the Merc has a better one. Side issue: It is amazing to me to see someone put a 15 horse on a 25 foot sailboat, when a 4 would push it just as fast, use less fuel, and be easier to put away, and be much cheaper to purchase. Jim Denis Roy wrote: I just picked up a canoe that came with a 2.2 HP merc. Would this be powerful enough to use as a troller / kicker for my 17 1/2' fiberglass sea ray? I was hoping it could serve to get us home if the main motor ever quits. -- Denis Roy D. Roy Woodcraft www.ideasinwood.com |
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 16:11:49 GMT, "Denis Roy"
wrote: The area of concern is a short area of whitewater where you need good power to steer the current. It might be somewhat suicidal with this kicker. I was just trying to decide if it was worth making new holes in the fiberglass to try it. ========================= I wouldn't. It's just not enough power to be really useful. |
"Denis Roy" wrote in message news:0p5sd.405749$Pl.344444@pd7tw1no...
I just picked up a canoe that came with a 2.2 HP merc. Would this be powerful enough to use as a troller / kicker for my 17 1/2' fiberglass sea ray? I was hoping it could serve to get us home if the main motor ever quits. I think for that size boat a 6 HP is the best compromise. of course dont be thinking you will be steering this home against lots of wind and waves. Just for trolling it will be just fine (as long as the shaft fits) Matt |
"Denis Roy" wrote in message
news:0p5sd.405749$Pl.344444@pd7tw1no... I just picked up a canoe that came with a 2.2 HP merc. Would this be powerful enough to use as a troller / kicker for my 17 1/2' fiberglass sea ray? I was hoping it could serve to get us home if the main motor ever quits. It might if home is close and water/wind is calm. A 4hp kicker (80% more hp) once brought my 17.5' Alumacraft (probably 50% weight of your boat) back approx 5 miles against a slight current and 10 mph winds. It took a looooooong time; almost 4 hours. |
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:42:43 -0500, "tbd" wrote:
"Denis Roy" wrote in message news:0p5sd.405749$Pl.344444@pd7tw1no... I just picked up a canoe that came with a 2.2 HP merc. Would this be powerful enough to use as a troller / kicker for my 17 1/2' fiberglass sea ray? I was hoping it could serve to get us home if the main motor ever quits. It might if home is close and water/wind is calm. A 4hp kicker (80% more hp) once brought my 17.5' Alumacraft (probably 50% weight of your boat) back approx 5 miles against a slight current and 10 mph winds. It took a looooooong time; almost 4 hours. On the other hand, I've taken my Ranger up the Thames River (CT) against the tide with my Motor Guide 67# thrust trolling motor. Took a LOOOOOONG time then too. :) Later, Tom |
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:42:43 -0500, "tbd" wrote: "Denis Roy" wrote in message news:0p5sd.405749$Pl.344444@pd7tw1no... I just picked up a canoe that came with a 2.2 HP merc. Would this be powerful enough to use as a troller / kicker for my 17 1/2' fiberglass sea ray? I was hoping it could serve to get us home if the main motor ever quits. It might if home is close and water/wind is calm. A 4hp kicker (80% more hp) once brought my 17.5' Alumacraft (probably 50% weight of your boat) back approx 5 miles against a slight current and 10 mph winds. It took a looooooong time; almost 4 hours. On the other hand, I've taken my Ranger up the Thames River (CT) against the tide with my Motor Guide 67# thrust trolling motor. Took a LOOOOOONG time then too. :) Later, Tom I have a 9.9 Merc kicker on my Lund 1775, and I wouldn't want to depend on running it at 1/4 power to get home any distance. Does maybe 2 mph tops in calm water at that kind of throttle. (by gps) del cecchi |
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 03:08:50 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 20:30:43 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 00:26:13 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Going up hills.....BBBBAAAAWWWAAAHHHAAAAA!!!!!!!! Hills.. ====================== I've seen plenty of hills off the Rhode Island and Maine coasts. They also move. I think you would agree that a 2.2 hp is no match for a moving hill. Sorry - I keep forgetting that my unfortunate brand of humor doesn't seem to work on this august body of great and not so great personages. Sometimes I just can't help myself. :) Remember the Quicksilver surf contest is the "men who ride mountains". I've actually seen some of those "mountains" in Guam of all places. And, without getting into the great "wave height" debate, I have some pictures around here my Dad's XO took on convoy duty in the North Atlantic during WWII when he commanded a DE. Them's some BIG waves. I used to love to hear the stories he and his shipmates used to tell about asking their Group Commander for submariner designation because they spent more time under and through the waves than over them. :) Hey, it was funny to a kid. :) Later, Tom My roommate at school was on the Bonne Homme Richard in a Typhoon in the South Pacific. The one that bent the front of the deck 90 degrees down. He said they could have sandwiches and coffee, and they had green water rolling down the deck. He said they felt for the DE's and destroyers, as they spend more time under water than above. And I guess they had no food during the storm. |
In my Navy days, we once spent 3 days on the edge of a typhoon. You
basically don't want much food, maybe a piece of fruit once in a while. You couldn't stay in your bunk so you went to your normal duty station, grabbed a couple life jackets for pillows and curled up on the deck where you could brace yourself. You didn't go for and aft on the main deck. Lines were rigged on the 2nd deck to hang on to, to go for and aft and you would judge the waves and run. This was on a DDE where you couldn't go for and aft inside. Destroyers just naturally go under one wave and over the next. Due to the lenght I guess. Gordon BTW, Used to have a friend who always was seasick for the first 3 or 4 days at sea. He would stand watch holding a bucket or at least keeping it very close. Talk about not eating! "Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 03:08:50 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 20:30:43 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 00:26:13 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Going up hills.....BBBBAAAAWWWAAAHHHAAAAA!!!!!!!! Hills.. ====================== I've seen plenty of hills off the Rhode Island and Maine coasts. They also move. I think you would agree that a 2.2 hp is no match for a moving hill. Sorry - I keep forgetting that my unfortunate brand of humor doesn't seem to work on this august body of great and not so great personages. Sometimes I just can't help myself. :) Remember the Quicksilver surf contest is the "men who ride mountains". I've actually seen some of those "mountains" in Guam of all places. And, without getting into the great "wave height" debate, I have some pictures around here my Dad's XO took on convoy duty in the North Atlantic during WWII when he commanded a DE. Them's some BIG waves. I used to love to hear the stories he and his shipmates used to tell about asking their Group Commander for submariner designation because they spent more time under and through the waves than over them. :) Hey, it was funny to a kid. :) Later, Tom My roommate at school was on the Bonne Homme Richard in a Typhoon in the South Pacific. The one that bent the front of the deck 90 degrees down. He said they could have sandwiches and coffee, and they had green water rolling down the deck. He said they felt for the DE's and destroyers, as they spend more time under water than above. And I guess they had no food during the storm. |
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 00:30:21 GMT, "Gordon" wrote:
In my Navy days, we once spent 3 days on the edge of a typhoon. You basically don't want much food, maybe a piece of fruit once in a while. You couldn't stay in your bunk so you went to your normal duty station, grabbed a couple life jackets for pillows and curled up on the deck where you could brace yourself. You didn't go for and aft on the main deck. Lines were rigged on the 2nd deck to hang on to, to go for and aft and you would judge the waves and run. This was on a DDE where you couldn't go for and aft inside. Destroyers just naturally go under one wave and over the next. Due to the lenght I guess. Gordon BTW, Used to have a friend who always was seasick for the first 3 or 4 days at sea. He would stand watch holding a bucket or at least keeping it very close. Talk about not eating! I was on two floats - one to the Med and one in the South Pacific. Both times, I was never seasick, although a lot of my company was. Based on my own experience, I'm not sure which is worse - the long slow swells or the relative violence of short period waves. Later, Tom |
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 00:30:21 GMT, "Gordon" wrote: In my Navy days, we once spent 3 days on the edge of a typhoon. You basically don't want much food, maybe a piece of fruit once in a while. You couldn't stay in your bunk so you went to your normal duty station, grabbed a couple life jackets for pillows and curled up on the deck where you could brace yourself. You didn't go for and aft on the main deck. Lines were rigged on the 2nd deck to hang on to, to go for and aft and you would judge the waves and run. This was on a DDE where you couldn't go for and aft inside. Destroyers just naturally go under one wave and over the next. Due to the lenght I guess. Gordon BTW, Used to have a friend who always was seasick for the first 3 or 4 days at sea. He would stand watch holding a bucket or at least keeping it very close. Talk about not eating! I was on two floats - one to the Med and one in the South Pacific. Both times, I was never seasick, although a lot of my company was. Based on my own experience, I'm not sure which is worse - the long slow swells or the relative violence of short period waves. Later, Tom That is why I joined the air force. Both no typhoons in big ships or little ships and you get to die clean. |
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 07:19:16 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 00:30:21 GMT, "Gordon" wrote: In my Navy days, we once spent 3 days on the edge of a typhoon. You basically don't want much food, maybe a piece of fruit once in a while. You couldn't stay in your bunk so you went to your normal duty station, grabbed a couple life jackets for pillows and curled up on the deck where you could brace yourself. You didn't go for and aft on the main deck. Lines were rigged on the 2nd deck to hang on to, to go for and aft and you would judge the waves and run. This was on a DDE where you couldn't go for and aft inside. Destroyers just naturally go under one wave and over the next. Due to the lenght I guess. Gordon BTW, Used to have a friend who always was seasick for the first 3 or 4 days at sea. He would stand watch holding a bucket or at least keeping it very close. Talk about not eating! I was on two floats - one to the Med and one in the South Pacific. Both times, I was never seasick, although a lot of my company was. Based on my own experience, I'm not sure which is worse - the long slow swells or the relative violence of short period waves. That is why I joined the air force. Both no typhoons in big ships or little ships and you get to die clean. I worked with some APES during my tour - I have to admit they were the cleanest bunch of perimeter patrol types I ever worked with. :) Later, Tom |
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 07:19:16 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 00:30:21 GMT, "Gordon" wrote: In my Navy days, we once spent 3 days on the edge of a typhoon. You basically don't want much food, maybe a piece of fruit once in a while. You couldn't stay in your bunk so you went to your normal duty station, grabbed a couple life jackets for pillows and curled up on the deck where you could brace yourself. You didn't go for and aft on the main deck. Lines were rigged on the 2nd deck to hang on to, to go for and aft and you would judge the waves and run. This was on a DDE where you couldn't go for and aft inside. Destroyers just naturally go under one wave and over the next. Due to the lenght I guess. Gordon BTW, Used to have a friend who always was seasick for the first 3 or 4 days at sea. He would stand watch holding a bucket or at least keeping it very close. Talk about not eating! I was on two floats - one to the Med and one in the South Pacific. Both times, I was never seasick, although a lot of my company was. Based on my own experience, I'm not sure which is worse - the long slow swells or the relative violence of short period waves. That is why I joined the air force. Both no typhoons in big ships or little ships and you get to die clean. I worked with some APES during my tour - I have to admit they were the cleanest bunch of perimeter patrol types I ever worked with. :) Later, Tom Actually I only flew on AF planes when hopping rides. Set in the nice, clean airconditioned electronics shop at Travis AFB for 3 years fixing radars off transport planes. We were an airlift wing. As opposed to my brother who did 2 tours at China Beach as a SeeBee building facilities. |
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 21:07:42 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 07:19:16 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 00:30:21 GMT, "Gordon" wrote: In my Navy days, we once spent 3 days on the edge of a typhoon. You basically don't want much food, maybe a piece of fruit once in a while. You couldn't stay in your bunk so you went to your normal duty station, grabbed a couple life jackets for pillows and curled up on the deck where you could brace yourself. You didn't go for and aft on the main deck. Lines were rigged on the 2nd deck to hang on to, to go for and aft and you would judge the waves and run. This was on a DDE where you couldn't go for and aft inside. Destroyers just naturally go under one wave and over the next. Due to the lenght I guess. Gordon BTW, Used to have a friend who always was seasick for the first 3 or 4 days at sea. He would stand watch holding a bucket or at least keeping it very close. Talk about not eating! I was on two floats - one to the Med and one in the South Pacific. Both times, I was never seasick, although a lot of my company was. Based on my own experience, I'm not sure which is worse - the long slow swells or the relative violence of short period waves. That is why I joined the air force. Both no typhoons in big ships or little ships and you get to die clean. I worked with some APES during my tour - I have to admit they were the cleanest bunch of perimeter patrol types I ever worked with. :) Later, Tom Actually I only flew on AF planes when hopping rides. Set in the nice, clean airconditioned electronics shop at Travis AFB for 3 years fixing radars off transport planes. We were an airlift wing. As opposed to my brother who did 2 tours at China Beach as a SeeBee building facilities. mmmmmmmmChinaBeachmmmmmmmmmm Later, Tom |
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