"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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HAYWARD, Wis. (AP) - A dispute among hunters over a tree stand in
northwestern Wisconsin erupted into a shooting that left five people
dead and three injured Sunday, a television station reported.
The alleged gunman, a man from the Twin Cities area, was arrested Sunday
afternoon, Sawyer County Chief Deputy Tim Zeigle told KSTP-TV of St.
Paul, Minn.

The shootings happened near Birchwood about noon. The station quoted
authorities as saying the shooting began after a hunting party saw a
hunter they didn't know occupying their tree stand.

That led to a confrontation. One victim used a walkie-talkie to call for
help, but when other hunting partners came to the scene they also were
shot, the station reported.

A similar thing happened on Florida's East coast when a guy in a 36'
sportfish started fishing the same weedline as 3 guys in a 23' center
console. Both sides exchanged words, and the guy in the 36' boat opened
fire, fortunately not seriously injuring anyone. He was of course arrested
upn his return to the dock.

It comes down to common courtesy. As big as the Gulf is, I have to wonder
why someone has to fish in *my* chum slick 15' behind my boat. I was
sitting on a nearshore wreck 2 miles off Gordon Pass fishing for bait, when
a 40' charter pull up not 10' off my port side. I guess I was sitting on
*his* bait spot. I yelled out that we were casting 4 oz. jigs in that
direction and if he'd like to avoid one going through the windows in his
salon, it'd be a good idea to move back a little ways. I also reminded him
that he was responsible for the safety of the people on his charter, and
that he was placing them in a potentially unsafe situation where there could
be 4 oz jigs and 8/0 hooks flying by their heads.

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:01:23 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

It comes down to common courtesy. As big as the Gulf is, I have to wonder
why someone has to fish in *my* chum slick 15' behind my boat. I was
sitting on a nearshore wreck 2 miles off Gordon Pass fishing for bait, when
a 40' charter pull up not 10' off my port side. I guess I was sitting on
*his* bait spot. I yelled out that we were casting 4 oz. jigs in that
direction and if he'd like to avoid one going through the windows in his
salon, it'd be a good idea to move back a little ways. I also reminded him
that he was responsible for the safety of the people on his charter, and
that he was placing them in a potentially unsafe situation where there could
be 4 oz jigs and 8/0 hooks flying by their heads.

Happens all the time around here - in particular on weekends. You get
the weekend OUPV charter types who seem to feel that every hot spot is
theirs and if you aren't in a certain "club", you can just as well get
the hell out. And the intimidation factor among the "light tackle
specialists" is pretty amazing too. Just last week, I was fishing a
really nice rock pile for 'tog and one of the local "big shots" tried
to call me off his "pile" that he was fishing that morning and now
wanted back in the afternoon. "I'm Captain X of XYZ CHARTERS and I
was on that spot this morning - can you please move clear?" Right -
byte me. What a crock.

I've had these clowns move right up next to me if I'm on a hot bite
and I've even had their customers hook my T-top and trolling motor.
And the fly fishing types - god save us from lead core fly fishing.

And the biggest mouths in the regulation and policy hearings about
fish stocks are these bozos who are the worst abusers in terms of
undersize keep rates.

My own personal opinion is that the Charter industry needs to moved
from the Recreational category and into the Commercial category so
their catch and by-catch are more closely regulated.

~~ mutter - grumble ~~ :)

Later,

Tom

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:01:23 +0000, NOYB wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
HAYWARD, Wis. (AP) - A dispute among hunters over a tree stand in
northwestern Wisconsin erupted into a shooting that left five people
dead and three injured Sunday, a television station reported.
SNIP

A similar thing happened on Florida's East coast when a guy in a 36'
sportfish started fishing the same weedline as 3 guys in a 23' center
console. Both sides exchanged words, and the guy in the 36' boat opened
fire, fortunately not seriously injuring anyone. He was of course arrested
upn his return to the dock.

It comes down to common courtesy. As big as the Gulf is, I have to wonder
why someone has to fish in *my* chum slick 15' behind my boat. I was
sitting on a nearshore wreck 2 miles off Gordon Pass fishing for bait, when
a 40' charter pull up not 10' off my port side. I guess I was sitting on
*his* bait spot. I yelled out that we were casting 4 oz. jigs in that
direction and if he'd like to avoid one going through the windows in his
salon, it'd be a good idea to move back a little ways. I also reminded him
that he was responsible for the safety of the people on his charter, and
that he was placing them in a potentially unsafe situation where there could
be 4 oz jigs and 8/0 hooks flying by their heads.

Reminds me of the last time I tried fishing in Alouette Lake, a popular
waterskiing/PWCing lake. A PWC came within about 20 ft of me and ALMOST
took out the line I had out. After that, I tried "practicing my casting"
whenever he came close. Never did get him, haven't had much practice
casting to a moving target.

Of course, this being Canada, no shots were fired...

Lloyd

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:01:23 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
HAYWARD, Wis. (AP) - A dispute among hunters over a tree stand in
northwestern Wisconsin erupted into a shooting that left five people
dead and three injured Sunday, a television station reported.
The alleged gunman, a man from the Twin Cities area, was arrested Sunday
afternoon, Sawyer County Chief Deputy Tim Zeigle told KSTP-TV of St.
Paul, Minn.

The shootings happened near Birchwood about noon. The station quoted
authorities as saying the shooting began after a hunting party saw a
hunter they didn't know occupying their tree stand.

That led to a confrontation. One victim used a walkie-talkie to call for
help, but when other hunting partners came to the scene they also were
shot, the station reported.

A similar thing happened on Florida's East coast when a guy in a 36'
sportfish started fishing the same weedline as 3 guys in a 23' center
console. Both sides exchanged words, and the guy in the 36' boat opened
fire, fortunately not seriously injuring anyone. He was of course arrested
upn his return to the dock.

It comes down to common courtesy. As big as the Gulf is, I have to wonder
why someone has to fish in *my* chum slick 15' behind my boat. I was
sitting on a nearshore wreck 2 miles off Gordon Pass fishing for bait, when
a 40' charter pull up not 10' off my port side. I guess I was sitting on
*his* bait spot. I yelled out that we were casting 4 oz. jigs in that
direction and if he'd like to avoid one going through the windows in his
salon, it'd be a good idea to move back a little ways. I also reminded him
that he was responsible for the safety of the people on his charter, and
that he was placing them in a potentially unsafe situation where there could
be 4 oz jigs and 8/0 hooks flying by their heads.



The same thing happens in Chesapeake Bay. Maybe the charter captains
have 'their' spot marked on their GPS, and since it's on their GPS the
spot belongs to them.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!