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Why 'is' online purchacing no cheaper than local retail!
I thought the advent of online purchase was to find deals.
Shopping for new SCUBA stuff isn't paying off in savings. For example, I purchased a AB Biller 48" speargun for $200.00 at Scuba Quest in Orlando and every place online it was considerably more. I lost the tip last time out and a replacement 'is' anywhere from $17.00 to $24.00 online. Retail the tip is 19.95. The same is true for cigars. I pay $82 w/tax for a box (25) of Hoyo de Monterrey, double corona maduros. I've never seen them cheaper online So what ever happened to the incentive to buy online? -- SC Proverbs 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn. Yee'haaaaaaaaaaa |
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:51:52 -0500, "Spear Chucky"
wrote: I thought the advent of online purchase was to find deals. Shopping for new SCUBA stuff isn't paying off in savings. For example, I purchased a AB Biller 48" speargun for $200.00 at Scuba Quest in Orlando and every place online it was considerably more. I lost the tip last time out and a replacement 'is' anywhere from $17.00 to $24.00 online. Retail the tip is 19.95. The same is true for cigars. I pay $82 w/tax for a box (25) of Hoyo de Monterrey, double corona maduros. I've never seen them cheaper online So what ever happened to the incentive to buy online? Used to be you could actually have an honest auction on eBay too. That's life. Later, Tom |
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"Spear Chucky" wrote in message ... I thought the advent of online purchase was to find deals. Some things are consistently cheaper online than at "brick & mortar" stores. Usually the things that are cheaper are commodity items, items that sell in very large quantity (millions of units), items that need little/no support in selecting or using the item, etc. Scuba gear and cigar manufacturers & distributors might know that many people buy their items based on dealer recomendations and placement of their items in their stores. Dealers won't place the items in their stores if they know that they are being sold on the internet for less money. Especially if it's WAY less money. Another way to look at it: Even though the local dealer is charging about the same as the guy on the interent...if there was no internet guy, the local dealer might be charging a LOT more. So you are still winning. |
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:45:16 GMT, "Glarb Shattenstein"
wrote: PLONK Hell, scuba stuff is a lot more boat related than 80% of the stuff that gets posted here! Can't imagine getting 'plonked' for that. John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
Spear Chucky wrote:
I thought the advent of online purchase was to find deals. Shopping for new SCUBA stuff isn't paying off in savings. For example, I purchased a AB Biller 48" speargun for $200.00 at Scuba Quest in Orlando and every place online it was considerably more. I lost the tip last time out and a replacement 'is' anywhere from $17.00 to $24.00 online. Retail the tip is 19.95. The same is true for cigars. I pay $82 w/tax for a box (25) of Hoyo de Monterrey, double corona maduros. I've never seen them cheaper online So what ever happened to the incentive to buy online? It's retailing in general, forget genuine supply vs demand & certainly lower overheads by a retailer aren't allowed to mean cheaper retail prices. There are lots of little "tricks" to get around most competition laws in most jurisdictions. For instance in the marine industry most reasonably dear things (radios, GPS, even down to safety gear) are invoiced to retailers/dealers at "almost" the full retail price usually within 7%-10% of the recommended retail price. The retailer never actually pays this "invoice" amount because then the suppliers offer rebates, cost sharing, tech training, finance subsidies etc etc , the list of ways that the retailer gets their real profit is as endless as a spruikers ability to dream up a new name, usually just referred to a "rebates" I call them what they are; secret kickbacks. The "trick" is that all these ways of getting a "profit" back to the retailer are "discretionary" i.e. the retailer has no contractual right to them & it's just at the whim of the supplier. This way the suppliers can keep control of the retail price, none of them want real open competition because then prices in general wouldn't be maximised against the consumer. Also they can get the general consumer to cross subsidise pricing as the supplier sees fit; e.g. a high volume OB motor seller in Florida would get less aggregate of "unrelated" kickbacks than say a very low volume OB seller in a snowy/frozen short season place who would have their business "managed" by the franchise owner so they can survive (just:-)) with things like extra "winter storage", or "off season" rebates etc etc etc AND the retail price of OB engines remains the same to the consumer no matter where they are. Believe it of not converted back to US$ the price of US made OBs is the same here in Oz as it is in the US some models even less:-) If any retailer actually dropped retail pricing or worse still advertised lower prices than the RRP less around 7% or say sold more than the occasional engine outside their designated area, then first they'd by chipped about it at the next dealer get together (fully paid for by the supplier just another way of getting rebates to them) then if that retailer didn't fall into line??? oops they would see a backing off in their regular flow of rebates, till they did fall back into line. Years ago it was only big ticket items, cars, boats, motors etc that were sold this way, but as competition laws have increased banning uncompetitive restrictions/practices, so to the creativity of the retail chain to get around them, now almost everything is on a "rebate", that's one of the reasons they hate walmart etc so much; sometimes just sometimes:-) they actually compete. The online people must be making a bundle because they have no overheads & still get full retail from you & then full rebates down the line from the supplier as reward for not competing on price. The OMC dealers took the OMC administrator to court when it went belly up (as it well deserved with Ficht) claiming they had a "verbal" contract for rebates totaling 30% (imagine those dealer thieves were pocketing 30% on a 15,000 OB engine they didn't even have to pay for!!!) if they sold Ficht engines, in court the administrator argued "rebates" are discretionary & OMC was under no obligation to pay any of them to anyone, further the dealers owed the administrator the full "invoiced" price on outstanding invoices:-) the administrator won, her Honour was wise:-) See that ****** who plonked you missed out of some good info:-) K |
my question is, why do you put 'is' between apostraphes?
"Spear Chucky" wrote in message ... I thought the advent of online purchase was to find deals. Shopping for new SCUBA stuff isn't paying off in savings. For example, I purchased a AB Biller 48" speargun for $200.00 at Scuba Quest in Orlando and every place online it was considerably more. I lost the tip last time out and a replacement 'is' anywhere from $17.00 to $24.00 online. Retail the tip is 19.95. The same is true for cigars. I pay $82 w/tax for a box (25) of Hoyo de Monterrey, double corona maduros. I've never seen them cheaper online So what ever happened to the incentive to buy online? -- SC Proverbs 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn. Yee'haaaaaaaaaaa |
"Falky foo" wrote in message . com... my question is, why do you put 'is' between apostraphes? It's a Clintonian expression "Spear Chucky" wrote in message ... I thought the advent of online purchase was to find deals. Shopping for new SCUBA stuff isn't paying off in savings. For example, I purchased a AB Biller 48" speargun for $200.00 at Scuba Quest in Orlando and every place online it was considerably more. I lost the tip last time out and a replacement 'is' anywhere from $17.00 to $24.00 online. Retail the tip is 19.95. The same is true for cigars. I pay $82 w/tax for a box (25) of Hoyo de Monterrey, double corona maduros. I've never seen them cheaper online So what ever happened to the incentive to buy online? -- SC Proverbs 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn. Yee'haaaaaaaaaaa |
Spear Chucky wrote:
I thought the advent of online purchase was to find deals. Shopping for new SCUBA stuff isn't paying off in savings. For example, I purchased a AB Biller 48" speargun for $200.00 at Scuba Quest in Orlando and every place online it was considerably more. I lost the tip last time out and a replacement 'is' anywhere from $17.00 to $24.00 online. Retail the tip is 19.95. The same is true for cigars. I pay $82 w/tax for a box (25) of Hoyo de Monterrey, double corona maduros. I've never seen them cheaper online So what ever happened to the incentive to buy online? Scuba equipment, like boating equipment and accessories, don't fall into the commodities category. Wth Scuba, I've always preferred to deal locally. These are the folks that not only need your business, but you need theirs! i.e. equipment maintenance. Imagine if you had to mail your regulator somewhere to get serviced. -Jim |
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:26:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: ~~ snippage ~~ brokenlegdave has good prices and service on marine electronics. I've bought a lot of stuff from him over the years. http://www.brokenlegdave.com/ Dude - thanks for that link. I'm looking to add a small boat radar to my Ranger, but really couldn't justify the cost for a 20' bay boat. That was great - thanks. Later, Tom |
I recently bid on three different four wheelers on Ebay. Each time I was
outbid in the last few seconds and then received a "2nd chance offer" from each of these sellers which can only make me think that the seller was bidding against me as long as I would continue to bid and then contacting me as though the winning bidder had reneged. Hell!, I bought a new 2005 Rancher for only $500 more than a used 2004. Boats can still be bought at a good price on Ebay but buyer beware. BTW, the Honda dealer in Elkins W.Va sold me a 2005 Rancher for $4453 OTD, which was $546 cheaper than I could get it in Texas. Since we were going to WV to deer hunt anyway, we just picked it up there. so if you need a 4 wheeler....... QL "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:51:52 -0500, "Spear Chucky" wrote: I thought the advent of online purchase was to find deals. Shopping for new SCUBA stuff isn't paying off in savings. For example, I purchased a AB Biller 48" speargun for $200.00 at Scuba Quest in Orlando and every place online it was considerably more. I lost the tip last time out and a replacement 'is' anywhere from $17.00 to $24.00 online. Retail the tip is 19.95. The same is true for cigars. I pay $82 w/tax for a box (25) of Hoyo de Monterrey, double corona maduros. I've never seen them cheaper online So what ever happened to the incentive to buy online? Used to be you could actually have an honest auction on eBay too. That's life. Later, Tom |
"QL" wrote in message news:atond.2$TG2.1@trnddc01... I recently bid on three different four wheelers on Ebay. Each time I was outbid in the last few seconds and then received a "2nd chance offer" from each of these sellers which can only make me think that the seller was bidding against me as long as I would continue to bid and then contacting me as though the winning bidder had reneged. Hell!, I bought a new 2005 Rancher for only $500 more than a used 2004. Boats can still be bought at a good price on Ebay but buyer beware. BTW, the Honda dealer in Elkins W.Va sold me a 2005 Rancher for $4453 OTD, which was $546 cheaper than I could get it in Texas. Since we were going to WV to deer hunt anyway, we just picked it up there. so if you need a 4 wheeler....... QL I've seen plenty of items bid up higher on ebay than you can buy directly elsewhere online. "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:51:52 -0500, "Spear Chucky" wrote: I thought the advent of online purchase was to find deals. Shopping for new SCUBA stuff isn't paying off in savings. For example, I purchased a AB Biller 48" speargun for $200.00 at Scuba Quest in Orlando and every place online it was considerably more. I lost the tip last time out and a replacement 'is' anywhere from $17.00 to $24.00 online. Retail the tip is 19.95. The same is true for cigars. I pay $82 w/tax for a box (25) of Hoyo de Monterrey, double corona maduros. I've never seen them cheaper online So what ever happened to the incentive to buy online? Used to be you could actually have an honest auction on eBay too. That's life. Later, Tom |
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:39:50 GMT, "QL" wrote:
I recently bid on three different four wheelers on Ebay. Each time I was outbid in the last few seconds and then received a "2nd chance offer" from each of these sellers which can only make me think that the seller was bidding against me as long as I would continue to bid and then contacting me as though the winning bidder had reneged. Hell!, I bought a new 2005 Rancher for only $500 more than a used 2004. Boats can still be bought at a good price on Ebay but buyer beware. I know for a fact that this is a standard practice on eBay and can introduce you to several folks who practice this on a regular basis. I know a "purchaser" who has one of those quadruple bizzillion highest quality buyer rating who hasn't bought anything from or on eBay in three or four years. Consider this. I bid on some red Cajun line, 8 lb test and I put a price on it equal to what I can buy it from Bass Pro Shops plus shipping and handling. The same person over bid against me raising the price to a ridiculous level, won the "auction" and I get an email from the seller saying he's willing to knock off a couple of bucks off the highest bid - did I want the line? At twice the price (when shipping/handling was included) of Bass Pro Shops. Yeah right. eBay was great for a while, but if you want to buy something, get it on sale at a retailers web site or just go to a store - eBay sucks. All the best, Tom -------------- "What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup... is there a computer terminal in the day room of some looney bin somewhere?" Bilgeman - circa 2004 |
"QL" wrote in message news:atond.2$TG2.1@trnddc01... I recently bid on three different four wheelers on Ebay. Each time I was outbid in the last few seconds ..snip Here is a neat little program to prevent that from happening. http://hammertap.auctionstealer.com/home.cfm |
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:09:41 -0500, "JimH" wrote:
"QL" wrote in message news:atond.2$TG2.1@trnddc01... I recently bid on three different four wheelers on Ebay. Each time I was outbid in the last few seconds ..snip Here is a neat little program to prevent that from happening. http://hammertap.auctionstealer.com/home.com Which only goes to prove my point. eBay sucks. Later, Tom |
I buy lots of stuff on Ebay but I always look to see what a new one is before I
even look. I see lots of used stuff that ends up going for more than new and new stuff that sells for more than just going to a web store and buying it. The things that do sell cheaper on the net than in a store are PC parts. You will still do better at a Office Depot type store if it is a promo item. The trick on buying cheap on Ebay is to watch a guy who is selling lots of the same thing. Bid low and wait until the week where everyone who wants one has one. That is when you get the best deal. Just be careful on shipping!!! Sometimes the shipping is more than the part is worth, even if you "won" it for a penny. |
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:39:50 GMT, "QL" wrote: I recently bid on three different four wheelers on Ebay. Each time I was outbid in the last few seconds and then received a "2nd chance offer" from each of these sellers which can only make me think that the seller was bidding against me as long as I would continue to bid and then contacting me as though the winning bidder had reneged. Hell!, I bought a new 2005 Rancher for only $500 more than a used 2004. Boats can still be bought at a good price on Ebay but buyer beware. I know for a fact that this is a standard practice on eBay and can introduce you to several folks who practice this on a regular basis. I know a "purchaser" who has one of those quadruple bizzillion highest quality buyer rating who hasn't bought anything from or on eBay in three or four years. Consider this. I bid on some red Cajun line, 8 lb test and I put a price on it equal to what I can buy it from Bass Pro Shops plus shipping and handling. The same person over bid against me raising the price to a ridiculous level, won the "auction" and I get an email from the seller saying he's willing to knock off a couple of bucks off the highest bid - did I want the line? At twice the price (when shipping/handling was included) of Bass Pro Shops. Yeah right. eBay was great for a while, but if you want to buy something, get it on sale at a retailers web site or just go to a store - eBay sucks. All the best, Tom -------------- "What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup... is there a computer terminal in the day room of some looney bin somewhere?" Bilgeman - circa 2004 I heard on the radio EBAY has just clamped down on some big dealers that were doing exactly that. |
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 03:47:27 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:39:50 GMT, "QL" wrote: I recently bid on three different four wheelers on Ebay. Each time I was outbid in the last few seconds and then received a "2nd chance offer" from each of these sellers which can only make me think that the seller was bidding against me as long as I would continue to bid and then contacting me as though the winning bidder had reneged. Hell!, I bought a new 2005 Rancher for only $500 more than a used 2004. Boats can still be bought at a good price on Ebay but buyer beware. I know for a fact that this is a standard practice on eBay and can introduce you to several folks who practice this on a regular basis. I know a "purchaser" who has one of those quadruple bizzillion highest quality buyer rating who hasn't bought anything from or on eBay in three or four years. Consider this. I bid on some red Cajun line, 8 lb test and I put a price on it equal to what I can buy it from Bass Pro Shops plus shipping and handling. The same person over bid against me raising the price to a ridiculous level, won the "auction" and I get an email from the seller saying he's willing to knock off a couple of bucks off the highest bid - did I want the line? At twice the price (when shipping/handling was included) of Bass Pro Shops. Yeah right. eBay was great for a while, but if you want to buy something, get it on sale at a retailers web site or just go to a store - eBay sucks. I heard on the radio EBAY has just clamped down on some big dealers that were doing exactly that. They are trying, but the problem is pandemic. All you need to do is have a couple of your friends bid on things you put up. The reason eBay is just now getting around to clamping down is that it's hurting the bottom line - the overall amount of bidding has slowed and thus, revenue has dropped. Later, Tom |
In article , Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 03:47:27 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:39:50 GMT, "QL" wrote: I recently bid on three different four wheelers on Ebay. Each time I was outbid in the last few seconds and then received a "2nd chance offer" from each of these sellers which can only make me think that the seller was bidding against me as long as I would continue to bid and then contacting me as though the winning bidder had reneged. Hell!, I bought a new 2005 Rancher for only $500 more than a used 2004. Boats can still be bought at a good price on Ebay but buyer beware. I know for a fact that this is a standard practice on eBay and can introduce you to several folks who practice this on a regular basis. I know a "purchaser" who has one of those quadruple bizzillion highest quality buyer rating who hasn't bought anything from or on eBay in three or four years. Consider this. I bid on some red Cajun line, 8 lb test and I put a price on it equal to what I can buy it from Bass Pro Shops plus shipping and handling. The same person over bid against me raising the price to a ridiculous level, won the "auction" and I get an email from the seller saying he's willing to knock off a couple of bucks off the highest bid - did I want the line? At twice the price (when shipping/handling was included) of Bass Pro Shops. Yeah right. eBay was great for a while, but if you want to buy something, get it on sale at a retailers web site or just go to a store - eBay sucks. I heard on the radio EBAY has just clamped down on some big dealers that were doing exactly that. They are trying, but the problem is pandemic. All you need to do is have a couple of your friends bid on things you put up. The reason eBay is just now getting around to clamping down is that it's hurting the bottom line - the overall amount of bidding has slowed and thus, revenue has dropped. Later, Tom Yep. This is basically impossible to stop. The other problem eBAY is having that has reached pandemic proportions is deadbeats. Bidders who have no intention of paying, and never do pay. eBAY makes you jump through hoops when this happens (and it happens a LOT) to get your "final value fee" back, and if you screw up, you get screwed (literally) out of the FVF. Even if you DON'T screw up they get your money for close to a month - and the float on it - before they refund it. That's a hell of a racket. Bid rigging works to eBAY's ADVANTAGE if people actually buy on the second chance offers, as their FVF collections are HIGHER - in some cases DOUBLE or more what they would otherwise get. They have zero economic incentive to actually stop it so long as people keep using eBAY. -- -- Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind |
Spear Chucky wrote:
I thought the advent of online purchase was to find deals. Shopping for new SCUBA stuff isn't paying off in savings. For example, I purchased a AB Biller 48" speargun for $200.00 at Scuba Quest in Orlando and every place online it was considerably more. I lost the tip last time out and a replacement 'is' anywhere from $17.00 to $24.00 online. Retail the tip is 19.95. The same is true for cigars. I pay $82 w/tax for a box (25) of Hoyo de Monterrey, double corona maduros. I've never seen them cheaper online You are shopping in the wrong online stores. I have found several examples of Biller spearguns for under $200.00 (the teak models seem to be than the mahogany. BTW, eBay seems to have some pretty good deals on brand new AB Biller models), and JRCigars.com has the HdM Double Corona Maduros for only $67.25. Google is your friend. -- Charles R. Kaiser HOKC - Godtar - http://www.godtar.com "There's two dates in time that they'll carve on your stone And everyone knows what they mean. What's more important Is the time that is known in that little dash in between" Direct all incoming fire to: 44° 00' 43" N 79° 27' 06" W |
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