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LaBomba182 wrote:
Subject: I have a crazy wife From: Eisboch LaBomba182 wrote: Subject: I have a crazy wife From: Eisboch Anything in particular we should watch for in the survey? Just thought of something else. Find out what kind of transmission it has. Parts for some of the old Borg Warners can be hard to impossible to get. Capt. Bill Thanks, Capt'. This is great. I've got a good list going for the surveyor. Eisboch What kind of genset does it have? Be sure to run it and go lay down in the aft cabin and see what you think about the noise and vibration. Is it a split berth lay out or a island bed? Capt. Bill Small genset (4 kw) no air conditioning. The genset is enclosed in a sound box, but I have to wait for the survey to run it. The forward cabin is a split V berth configuration. The aft cabin has a double berth to starboard and a single to port. Eisboch |
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:36:39 -0500, Eisboch wrote: LaBomba182 wrote: Subject: I have a crazy wife From: Eisboch I think this one has painted white window frames - I think they are aluminum. If they are aluminum take a good look at and in the window tracks. Check the condition of the felting. I went down and took a good look, (in the rain/sleet/snow). The window frames are very thick and white - either painted wood or some kind of very hard PVC or fiberglass. I really can't tell what the material is as I only looked from outside the boat. The painted aluminum I saw were screens that are attached to the port and starboard window frames. The door is definitely fiberglass with a gel coat. It could be wood with epoxy paint coating. I've seen that done and you can't tell the difference. Well, in any case, I hope it works out for you guys. My wife has had a hankering for a boat of this style, but I keep finding excuses to avoid purchasing one. She wants to buy a floating house and I want a a lean mean fishing machine. Like a Hatteras. Or a Cabo. Or one of the new 37' Topaz boats which I have an increasing affection for. Just can't see me in a Grand Banks - ain't my style. :) Later, Tom If Mrs. E has her way, you won't see me in a Grand Banks either. Eisboch |
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:19:44 -0500, Eisboch
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:36:39 -0500, Eisboch wrote: LaBomba182 wrote: Subject: I have a crazy wife From: Eisboch I think this one has painted white window frames - I think they are aluminum. If they are aluminum take a good look at and in the window tracks. Check the condition of the felting. I went down and took a good look, (in the rain/sleet/snow). The window frames are very thick and white - either painted wood or some kind of very hard PVC or fiberglass. I really can't tell what the material is as I only looked from outside the boat. The painted aluminum I saw were screens that are attached to the port and starboard window frames. The door is definitely fiberglass with a gel coat. It could be wood with epoxy paint coating. I've seen that done and you can't tell the difference. Well, in any case, I hope it works out for you guys. My wife has had a hankering for a boat of this style, but I keep finding excuses to avoid purchasing one. She wants to buy a floating house and I want a a lean mean fishing machine. Like a Hatteras. Or a Cabo. Or one of the new 37' Topaz boats which I have an increasing affection for. Just can't see me in a Grand Banks - ain't my style. :) If Mrs. E has her way, you won't see me in a Grand Banks either. ROTFL!!!!! Later, Tom |
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Subject: I have a crazy wife
From: Short Wave Sportfishing Just can't see me in a Grand Banks - ain't my style. :) Then you've never seen the GB sport fish model with 3208T CATs in it. :-) Very rare. I think they only built 13 or so of them. We have one in our charter fleet. http://boat-charters.com/front.html Take a look at "Raffles". Capt. Bill |
Subject: I have a crazy wife
From: Eisboch If Mrs. E has her way, you won't see me in a Grand Banks either. Eisboch LOL Capt. Bill |
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LaBomba182 wrote:
Subject: I have a crazy wife From: Eisboch Small genset (4 kw) no air conditioning. Will you be cruising on it while in FL? Capt. Bill Very, very doubtful. I suspect it will used here in MA, mostly sitting in the slip as a gathering place for the "girls" with an occasional weekend trip to Martha's Vineyard, Cuttyhunk or Nantucket. Any cruising in Florida will be on the Navigator. I was thinking that you almost have to plan trips on this GB as if it were a sailboat. The Cape Cod Canal is known for very strong currents - as much as 7 kts or so as the tide changes. If she were to head north towards Cape Cod Bay at the wrong time in the canal, she could end up returning before she left. BTW, thanks for the link ... I was wondering how you were so knowledgeable about these boats. Eisboch |
Assume a seller lists his boat
with a broker and the broker presents an asking price offer from a buyer. If the seller changes his mind to sell, is the broker due his commission as if the boat sold? You could make a case that if a broker brings a full price offer, without any contingencies for financing, survey, etc, and the seller then said, "Sorry, but I've decided to keep the boat after all," the broker would be due a commission. The weasel out for the seller is that almost no offers are full price and without contingencies. If the buyer offers 99% of asking price, there is nothing that compells the seller to discount the boat 1% if he has changed his mind about selling. Same with sea trial, survey, etc. Nothing says the seller *must* allow you to sea trial or survey the boat. The seller can say no to the discount, no to allowing a survey, no to accepting an offer subject to finanacing, no to a sea trial, etc. |
No way! A 120 Lehman can not burn 12 gals per hour even at WOT into the wind.
Capt. Bill Agreed. Nor will a 36 GB with a single 120 Lehman turn 12 knots. But I don't think it makes any difference if you are running up or down wind- that will change your SOG, but fuel consumption will be a function of throttle setting. |
Gould 0738 wrote:
No way! A 120 Lehman can not burn 12 gals per hour even at WOT into the wind. Capt. Bill Agreed. Nor will a 36 GB with a single 120 Lehman turn 12 knots. But I don't think it makes any difference if you are running up or down wind- that will change your SOG, but fuel consumption will be a function of throttle setting. I was reading an archived article from "Soundings" on the GB 36. Here's a section of the article: "In many cases, single-engine models provide efficient cruising in the 8- to 9- knot range and burn a stingy three gallons per hour (gph). Top-end speeds rise to 10 to 11 knots, but fuel consumption jumps to 12 gph" It doesn't really say what engine. The complete article can be found at: http://www.oya.com/library/sndgb36.php For Mrs. E, it really doesn't matter. Her personal cruising will probably be limited to chugging along through the harbor, around Basset's island and back, all within a 6kt max speed zone. Eisboch |
On 14 Nov 2004 05:02:24 GMT, (LaBomba182) wrote:
Subject: I have a crazy wife From: Short Wave Sportfishing Just can't see me in a Grand Banks - ain't my style. :) Then you've never seen the GB sport fish model with 3208T CATs in it. :-) Very rare. I think they only built 13 or so of them. We have one in our charter fleet. http://boat-charters.com/front.html Take a look at "Raffles". I'll be danged. Nice boat. A little too nice for me. WAY too much wood. :) My wife has a couple of years left before she retires, so I'm not exactly sure what lay ahead in terms of boat, but I have this vague suspicion that "we" are going to sell the Contender and get something will a full cabin. I would also like to keep it in the 32/35 foot category. I've been looking at these: http://www.topazboats.com/Site/32Express/32x.html but I don't really want diesels. I wonder if I could custom make one of these for three outboards? By the way, does that boat remind anybody of the old Uniflite 28 Express? Later, Tom |
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I've been looking at these: http://www.topazboats.com/Site/32Express/32x.html but I don't really want diesels. I wonder if I could custom make one of these for three outboards? By the way, does that boat remind anybody of the old Uniflite 28 Express? Later, Tom Are you referring to the "Salty Dog"? It does have a little resemblance I guess. Nice looking boat. Why are you opposed to diesels? BTW, prior to getting the Navigator, I had a 28' 1978 Uniflite Mega, complete with blisters all over the deck. Eisboch |
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 00:35:07 -0500, Eisboch
wrote: LaBomba182 wrote: Subject: I have a crazy wife From: Eisboch Small genset (4 kw) no air conditioning. Will you be cruising on it while in FL? Capt. Bill Very, very doubtful. I suspect it will used here in MA, mostly sitting in the slip as a gathering place for the "girls" with an occasional weekend trip to Martha's Vineyard, Cuttyhunk or Nantucket. Any cruising in Florida will be on the Navigator. I was thinking that you almost have to plan trips on this GB as if it were a sailboat. The Cape Cod Canal is known for very strong currents - as much as 7 kts or so as the tide changes. If she were to head north towards Cape Cod Bay at the wrong time in the canal, she could end up returning before she left. Talk about set and drift. I've had problems up around the railroad bridge in the Contender at the wrong tide. Nothing like the Blynman Bridge over the Annisquam up in Gloucester though. Or the entrance to the Merrimack in Newburyport in a NE wind. :) Later, Tom |
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 06:46:44 -0500, Eisboch
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: I've been looking at these: http://www.topazboats.com/Site/32Express/32x.html but I don't really want diesels. I wonder if I could custom make one of these for three outboards? By the way, does that boat remind anybody of the old Uniflite 28 Express? Are you referring to the "Salty Dog"? It does have a little resemblance I guess. Nice looking boat. Why are you opposed to diesels? Well, to tell the truth I'm a little leery of vibration in a boat this size. It would seem to me that twin diesels in a boat like this it would be both noisy and lot's of vibration. BTW, prior to getting the Navigator, I had a 28' 1978 Uniflite Mega, complete with blisters all over the deck. I saw one of those a couple of weeks ago at a yard up in Fall River. Interesting boat. Later, Tom |
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 06:02:51 -0500, Eisboch
wrote: I was reading an archived article from "Soundings" on the GB 36. Here's a section of the article: "In many cases, single-engine models provide efficient cruising in the 8- to 9- knot range and burn a stingy three gallons per hour (gph). Top-end speeds rise to 10 to 11 knots, but fuel consumption jumps to 12 gph" The most efficient cruising speed for a 36 is about 7+ kts, burning maybe 2 gph or so depending on conditions. Above that, the demand for hosepower increases very quickly. A burn rate of 12 gph implies over 200 horsepower. It doesn't really say what engine. The complete article can be found at: http://www.oya.com/library/sndgb36.php It looks like a bit of journalistic over exuberance crept into the article. For Mrs. E, it really doesn't matter. Her personal cruising will probably be limited to chugging along through the harbor, around Basset's island and back, all within a 6kt max speed zone. It will be perfect for that. |
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:37:08 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: I've been looking at these: http://www.topazboats.com/Site/32Express/32x.html but I don't really want diesels. =============================== Trust me on this one, you absolutely do want diesels. In order to get decent speed with gas engines on a boat of that type you will be looking at a fuel burn of over 40 gph. Diesels, about half that. |
Wayne.B wrote:
It looks like a bit of journalistic over exuberance crept into the article. Yup. Journalists seem to have a habit of that. For Mrs. E, it really doesn't matter. Her personal cruising will probably be limited to chugging along through the harbor, around Basset's island and back, all within a 6kt max speed zone. It will be perfect for that. I think so too. Eisboch (really starting to look forward to Florida) |
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:37:08 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: I've been looking at these: http://www.topazboats.com/Site/32Express/32x.html but I don't really want diesels. =============================== Trust me on this one, you absolutely do want diesels. In order to get decent speed with gas engines on a boat of that type you will be looking at a fuel burn of over 40 gph. Diesels, about half that. I forgot to follow up with Tom on that, although he seems to have a lot more boating experience than I. The issue of vibration is boat specific I think. The Egg Harbor I used to have had a resonant RPM while accelerating that caused all the hatches in the cockpit to vibrate loudly and the Cat 3126 engines were noisy, but it was not a big issue. The Navigator sounds and feels more like a Greyhound Bus, probably due to the extensive engine room insulation and the smaller Volvo diesels. It is very smooth and quiet with the auto syncs on. The only time the boat vibrates is at closed throttle idle, in neutral and with the syncs off. Exhaust smell and "station wagon" effect is non-existent when underway. On smaller boats I prefer 4 stroke outboard(s). On bigger boats, I am hooked on diesel power and will never go back to gas. It's really a matter of personal preference. Eisboch |
Subject: I have a crazy wife
From: Eisboch "In many cases, single-engine models provide efficient cruising in the 8- to 9- knot range and burn a stingy three gallons per hour (gph). Top-end speeds rise to 10 to 11 knots, but fuel consumption jumps to 12 gph" It doesn't really say what engine. Bigger single than a 120 Lehman. Perhaps a Cummins. Capt. Bill |
Subject: I have a crazy wife
From: (Gould 0738) Here you go: http://www.felixmarine.net/article-s...uel-tanks.html Thanks. Capt. Bill |
Subject: Grand Banks (was I have a crazy wife)
From: Eisboch BTW, thanks for the link ... I was wondering how you were so knowledgeable about these boats. You're welcome. And feel free you ask any question you may have. If I don't have the answer one of the people I know (including a former GB dealer) will have I bet. :-) Capt. Bill |
On Sunday 14 November 2004 12:00 pm in rec.boats Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: Are you referring to the "Salty Dog"? It does have a little resemblance I guess. Nice looking boat. Why are you opposed to diesels? Well, to tell the truth I'm a little leery of vibration in a boat this size. It would seem to me that twin diesels in a boat like this it would be both noisy and lot's of vibration. Properly fitted diesel inboards should make a lot less noise than outboards, and they should NOT vibrate unless there is something seriously wrong such as bad mounts or misaligned shafts. -- My real address is crn (at) netunix (dot) com WARNING all messages containing attachments or html will be silently deleted. Send only plain text. |
On Sunday 14 November 2004 1:38 pm in rec.boats Eisboch wrote:
The Egg Harbor I used to have had a resonant RPM while accelerating that caused all the hatches in the cockpit to vibrate loudly and the Cat 3126 engines were noisy, but it was not a big issue. This is major design issue. Resonant vibration is almost certain to lead to fatigue cracking and structural failure.If you found the CATs to be noisy you almost certainly have other serious issues with inadequade mounts and poor insulation. Sounds like a boat to avoid at any price. -- My real address is crn (at) netunix (dot) com WARNING all messages containing attachments or html will be silently deleted. Send only plain text. |
Chris Newport wrote:
On Sunday 14 November 2004 12:00 pm in rec.boats Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Are you referring to the "Salty Dog"? It does have a little resemblance I guess. Nice looking boat. Why are you opposed to diesels? Well, to tell the truth I'm a little leery of vibration in a boat this size. It would seem to me that twin diesels in a boat like this it would be both noisy and lot's of vibration. Properly fitted diesel inboards should make a lot less noise than outboards, and they should NOT vibrate unless there is something seriously wrong such as bad mounts or misaligned shafts. There are many, many factors that determine whether one sort of engine application is going to be noisier than another of similar horsespower. I would not posit that a 200-250 hp four-cycle outboard is going to be noisier than an inboard or I/O diesel of the same power on a similar boat. My outboard boat has a full transom and a bracket. So do many other outboard boats. You stick a large V-6 four stroke outboard out on that bracket, and you have an engine that typically vibrates the boat less than an diesel inboard or I/O and produces lower noise levels in the cockpit. I'd not sure I'd ever want to again own an inboard boat that doesn't have a decent keel to protect the running gear. There's just too many opportunities to run aground where I boat. And I sure prefer the running gear of outboards to that of I/O's. |
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:17:56 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:37:08 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: I've been looking at these: http://www.topazboats.com/Site/32Express/32x.html but I don't really want diesels. =============================== Trust me on this one, you absolutely do want diesels. In order to get decent speed with gas engines on a boat of that type you will be looking at a fuel burn of over 40 gph. Diesels, about half that. Well, I don't have to commit as of yet. And I'm sure that once I actually get into this market when "we" sell the Contender in a year or so I'll be wanting a test ride, blah, blah, blah. Then again, I can be price driven as proved with the Contender. The only reason I'm holding back on the E-TECs is because of this "we" factor with "my" boat. :) I must admit that on single screw boats of this class, I've been impressed with diesels, but to tell the truth, most of my boat diesel experience is mostly teaching folk how to use their built-in stern thrusters, slow speed maneuvering and general boat handling when they upgrade from the 20 foot Trophy to the 35 foot whatever. :) Later, Tom |
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:12:56 +0000, Chris Newport
wrote: On Sunday 14 November 2004 12:00 pm in rec.boats Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Are you referring to the "Salty Dog"? It does have a little resemblance I guess. Nice looking boat. Why are you opposed to diesels? Well, to tell the truth I'm a little leery of vibration in a boat this size. It would seem to me that twin diesels in a boat like this it would be both noisy and lot's of vibration. Properly fitted diesel inboards should make a lot less noise than outboards, and they should NOT vibrate unless there is something seriously wrong such as bad mounts or misaligned shafts. There is a history here also. I much prefer outboards in most situations, but then again, I don't have a lot of experience with boats bigger than 25 feet other than my Contender which is my first boat over 30 feet. I do instruction on handling, maneuvering and docking with larger boats, but actual use, it's not a lot unless you count that gained over 40 years ago. :) Live long and prosper, Tom |
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:10:47 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: I must admit that on single screw boats of this class, I've been impressed with diesels, but to tell the truth, most of my boat diesel experience is mostly teaching folk how to use their built-in stern thrusters, slow speed maneuvering and general boat handling when they upgrade from the 20 foot Trophy to the 35 foot whatever. :) =============================================== I forgot to mention the most important diesel issue for a fisherman: range. My Bertram 33 could not fish the canyons because of gas engines. Even with a 320 gallon tank, safe working range was only about 130 miles. With diesels almost double that, with faster cruising speed as a bonus. A modern high speed diesel should not vibrate if installed correctly - solid stringers, good engine mounts/alignment, properly sized props, straight shafts, good cutlass bearings. Noise is mostly a matter of a proper exhaust system and engine room insulation. My Grand Banks is quieter on the flybridge than the Bertram 33 with twin 454s. Within 5 years I upgraded from a single engine 24 ft I/O to a twin gas 33 flybridge sportfish, to a twin diesel 49 trawler. Big, big differences in handling between the boats. The jury is still out but so far I consider the 49 to be the easiest to maneuver. It does not tend to get blown sideways in cross wind docking like the Bert did. |
Probably what, 2-4 times better than the Navigator?
Eisboch wrote: Slightly over 4 times, if I recall. At cruise (19kts) the Navigator burns about 26 gallons per hour (combined, both engines) which is not too bad for a boat that probably displaces about 42,000 lbs loaded up with all our junk. Based on some reading at Trawler World and similar Websites I understand the little diesel in the GB burns around 3 gal/per hour at 6-8kts, rising rapidly to 12 gal per hour WOT at a wind-in-your-face 11-12kts. If I'm reading this thread right, you're looking at a Lehman 120 in a 1982 Grand Banks 36? It will never see 12 knots unless being towed by the USS Harry Truman! Your top end will be in the neighborhood of 8.5 knots. It will burn approx 1 gph at 6 ~ 6.5 knots, 1 1/2 gph at ~ 7, and from there it goes up very steeply. I have not met the current owner yet, but from dockside chatter I understand he used the boat quite a bit. It has been all around the Great Lakes, East Coast, Florida, Bahamas and even Cuba. That's good. A boat that is used regularly is generally a much better deal than one that has been sitting. There are a few quirks about the Lehman I can tell you. The original engine supplier, Bob Smith, is still in business (American Diesel, Kilmarnock Va) and his son is extremely knowledgeable about these engines. No problem there. Don't forget about the transmission, either. At a very minimum, get an oil sample analysis from both engine & transmission. BTW the engine driven hydraulic stern thruster is a half-measure, a kludge. IMHO as useless as mammary glands on a bull. We haven't heard a response yet to the offer. Assuming he is serious about selling it should be acceptable as it was close to his asking price. We'll see. There's a *lot* of boats out there for sale, assuming your wife doesn't have her heart totally set on this one. Fair Skies Doug King |
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 06:59:48 -0500, DSK wrote:
~~ snippage ~~ There's a *lot* of boats out there for sale, assuming your wife doesn't have her heart totally set on this one. You got that right. I was down at my marina yesterday morning and the sales guy there was telling me that he's had more calls in the past month from folks trying to sell their boats than he's had in twenty years of being in the business. (month for month that is - it kind of sounded weird). :) On Yachtworld.com there are 119 Contenders all over the freakin' place being sold. Two years ago, it was less than 20. Later, Tom |
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 06:59:48 -0500, DSK wrote: ~~ snippage ~~ There's a *lot* of boats out there for sale, assuming your wife doesn't have her heart totally set on this one. You got that right. I was down at my marina yesterday morning and the sales guy there was telling me that he's had more calls in the past month from folks trying to sell their boats than he's had in twenty years of being in the business. (month for month that is - it kind of sounded weird). :) On Yachtworld.com there are 119 Contenders all over the freakin' place being sold. Two years ago, it was less than 20. Later, Tom I think it has a lot to do with a sluggish economy and general negative feelings of world events. Uncertainty causes many to pull back into their shells. On the brighter side, in the past 60 days or so there has been a major up tick in boat sales, according to two boat dealers that I know. Prior to this positive swing, both dealers said they had been through a year or more of seriously depressed business. My former company (now run by my oldest son) also has been through a 2-3 year struggle with reduced orders for capital equipment. Many requests for proposals had been received, but very few contracts had been awarded to any of the competing suppliers. Within the past month however, equipment orders have risen significantly along with requests to re-quote equipment requirements that had been put on the back burner for a year or more. When I ran the company we virtually had no customers outside of the US. Now, their growing backlog is split about 50/50 between US companies and orders from Japan, China and Europe. BTW, this is a very specialized equipment with maybe 6 major US suppliers and 5 or 6 dominant suppliers split between Japan and Europe. I suspect the value of the dollar dropping against the Euro is helping sales to a large degree as well as a general feeling of growing confidence in the customer base. I've seen this cycle over and over again in the past 30 years. Eisboch |
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:47:33 -0500, Eisboch
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 06:59:48 -0500, DSK wrote: ~~ snippage ~~ There's a *lot* of boats out there for sale, assuming your wife doesn't have her heart totally set on this one. You got that right. I was down at my marina yesterday morning and the sales guy there was telling me that he's had more calls in the past month from folks trying to sell their boats than he's had in twenty years of being in the business. (month for month that is - it kind of sounded weird). :) On Yachtworld.com there are 119 Contenders all over the freakin' place being sold. Two years ago, it was less than 20. I think it has a lot to do with a sluggish economy and general negative feelings of world events. Uncertainty causes many to pull back into their shells. I agree with you. I filled up my Ranger yesterday in preparation for a bay run later this week and it cost almost double what it did last year at the same time. At my marina, the ops manager keeps his fuel at cost for his customers, even so, it would have been exactly double what I paid last year. On the brighter side, in the past 60 days or so there has been a major up tick in boat sales, according to two boat dealers that I know. Prior to this positive swing, both dealers said they had been through a year or more of seriously depressed business. A few of the guys I've talked to have sold boats, but at or slightly below their cost (including floor planning costs, etc) - no profit. One guy still has a boat (priced right too - no big time profit) that was the boat which won the '97 Bassmaster classic - ok, the boat didn't win it, but you get the idea. The deck lids were autographed by F.L. Woods, the guy (Hibbdon?) who won it - really loaded with "stuff" - can't sell it. Tons of people come to look at it, can't sell it. My former company (now run by my oldest son) also has been through a 2-3 year struggle with reduced orders for capital equipment. Many requests for proposals had been received, but very few contracts had been awarded to any of the competing suppliers. Within the past month however, equipment orders have risen significantly along with requests to re-quote equipment requirements that had been put on the back burner for a year or more. When I ran the company we virtually had no customers outside of the US. Now, their growing backlog is split about 50/50 between US companies and orders from Japan, China and Europe. BTW, this is a very specialized equipment with maybe 6 major US suppliers and 5 or 6 dominant suppliers split between Japan and Europe. I suspect the value of the dollar dropping against the Euro is helping sales to a large degree as well as a general feeling of growing confidence in the customer base. I've seen this cycle over and over again in the past 30 years. At our age we've seen it all more than once. :) Does that make us sages, wizened old wizards, Elders or just grumpy old men? :) Later, Tom |
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
At our age we've seen it all more than once. :) Does that make us sages, wizened old wizards, Elders or just grumpy old men? :) Later, Tom All of the above, with an emphasis on the latter. Eisboch |
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:56:31 -0500, Eisboch
wrote: I've often mentioned Mrs. E because she is a major influence on just about everything I do. As we have recently entered into the beginning of our retirement years at a relatively early age, we have found new opportunities to enjoy individual interests, she mostly with horses, and me still with boats. She also enjoys spending time on the boat, but complains about how anal I am about it sometimes. And I am. At home I am your basic slob, but on the boat, everything is dress, right, dress and everything in it's proper storage place. I can't help it, I am a neat freak on the boat. I've explained to her that even though we both own the boat, there can only be one captain. So, when she comes down to the boat for a visit and spreads her junk all over the place, with her 3 foot by 4 foot pocketbook taking up the whole chart table, and her dog leaving hair all over the freshly vacuumed carpets, I start getting nervous. Did I mention Mrs. E is a very strong willed and emotional Italian? No stereotyping implied here; it's a fact, Jack. Today, she showed up at the marina on a mission. Two hours later she left the brokerage office having left an offer on a 1982, 36' Grand Banks Classic. This is to be "her" boat, and I have been invited to teach her how to handle it next summer when we return from Florida. Whew ... she never ceases to amaze me, even after 34 years. Good luck. But don't be caught dead letting your dog shed on it, and leave you pocketbook at home..... Dave |
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:30:41 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Wayve, there's a pretty decent 33' for sale at a yard across from our local West Marine store. A fellow I know is looking at the boat, and I've climbed aboard it myself with him. Seller wants in the high $80s. I've not looked that closely at the boat, and I have no idea whether the price is in range. It has gas engines, and the friend is thinking it might be worth converting to diesels. Do you know anyone who has done that...and what was involved, in terms of cost? My friend asked, and I told him, "probably as much as the boat is selling for now..." But that was just a wild-assed guess on my part. Assuming a pair of, say, 350-hp straight six diesels, what would you guess as to performance? And do you think the the boat, if it is in reasonable shape now (no survey in hand), is worth spending $120,000 on to bring back into tip-top share? That would be $80,000 on engines and mechanicals, and another $40,000 for various rehabbing. Just curious. Nothing I'd buy. ============================================= The Bertram 33 is a great boat with a fresh pair of 350 hp diesels. Cruising speed is over 25 kts and range should be at least 250 to 300 miles. The conversion cost from gas is $80 to $100K assuming you do the generator at the same time, and depending on who does the work. $80K is probably too much for used gas unless it has been repowered or nicely rebuilt. Mine was an '83 in near bristol condition with a lot of extras and sold for less than that. A 33 with used diesels typically has an asking price of $100 to $150K depending on age, condition and engine hours. A comparable new boat with diesels is well over $300K and may not be as well built as the older Berts. Value is all in the eye of the beholder and how you intend to use the boat. I would not hesitate for a second to take a well equipped 33 100 miles offshore in any reasonable weather. |
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:02:40 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:30:41 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Wayve, there's a pretty decent 33' for sale at a yard across from our local West Marine store. A fellow I know is looking at the boat, and I've climbed aboard it myself with him. Seller wants in the high $80s. I've not looked that closely at the boat, and I have no idea whether the price is in range. It has gas engines, and the friend is thinking it might be worth converting to diesels. Do you know anyone who has done that...and what was involved, in terms of cost? My friend asked, and I told him, "probably as much as the boat is selling for now..." But that was just a wild-assed guess on my part. Assuming a pair of, say, 350-hp straight six diesels, what would you guess as to performance? And do you think the the boat, if it is in reasonable shape now (no survey in hand), is worth spending $120,000 on to bring back into tip-top share? That would be $80,000 on engines and mechanicals, and another $40,000 for various rehabbing. Just curious. Nothing I'd buy. ============================================= The Bertram 33 is a great boat with a fresh pair of 350 hp diesels. Cruising speed is over 25 kts and range should be at least 250 to 300 miles. The conversion cost from gas is $80 to $100K assuming you do the generator at the same time, and depending on who does the work. $80K is probably too much for used gas unless it has been repowered or nicely rebuilt. Mine was an '83 in near bristol condition with a lot of extras and sold for less than that. A 33 with used diesels typically has an asking price of $100 to $150K depending on age, condition and engine hours. A comparable new boat with diesels is well over $300K and may not be as well built as the older Berts. Value is all in the eye of the beholder and how you intend to use the boat. I would not hesitate for a second to take a well equipped 33 100 miles offshore in any reasonable weather. I've run my Contender out that far on a beer/fuel/bait run for a friend of mine on a tuna trip. Dumb ass ran out in the middle. :) Ordinarily, I stay within the 50/60 mile bouy. Later, Tom |
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:18:48 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: I've run my Contender out that far on a beer/fuel/bait run for a friend of mine on a tuna trip. Dumb ass ran out in the middle. :) =================================== Which did he run out of first? |
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:14:17 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:18:48 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: I've run my Contender out that far on a beer/fuel/bait run for a friend of mine on a tuna trip. Dumb ass ran out in the middle. :) =================================== Which did he run out of first? Guess... :) Later, Tom |
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