On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:23:28 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:


And out the window goes a simplified tax code. ;-(

How so? These items should be easily identified. Food and care items are a
no-brainer. What constitutes a "luxury" item can be set by the purchase
price.

Come on, Dave, we are talking bureaucrats here. I can see 12,000 pages of
tax code on food alone. Is caviar a luxury or a necessity? Simple is
better when it comes to taxes.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
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On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:30:52 -0500, "P. Fritz"
wrote:


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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:44:47 -0500, DSK
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Really? How so? It takes an officer approximately a half hour to
get
here from the local barracks - that's if there is one available at
the
local barracks immediately. It can take an hour if the officer is
on
the other side of the patrol area. That's more than enough time for
somebody to do the deed.

Its a false premise......the police are under NO obligation to protect
your toys from some low life

This should be interesting.

How come?

Later,

Tom

The courts have ruled that they are only responsible for picking up the
pieces. They are not to protect you, but that have to try to catch the
thug who mugged you.

And there is plenty of case law that proves it.

"P. Fritz" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
I guess my logic went right over your head. I will not bother to try
to
explain it to you.

Uh, yeah.... I often miss the point of "logic" that leaves out facts
and
includes a lot of prejudice & wishful thinking.

DSK


Such as?

Once again a liebral accuses others of what they are personally guilty
of.






DSK could not support his claims or debate the issue so he posted a snide
remark and ran home to mommy.

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:42:09 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

I see you are logic challenged.

No, but I decided to invoke the sub-thread rule where-by one is
allowed to deviate from posters initial intent if said poster heaps
pity on himself to the point of having no self respect. Your pitiful
whining about your situation forced me to action.

The argument by DSK is the higher income
person receives more from Government than the poor person.

Since we're determining just what can be discussed in a thread, and
sub-thread, go back to the original post. It was about how the
republicans have run the budget, and deficit, to the limit. How does
your $135 boat registration vs the other guys $12 boat registration
relate to the republican tendency towards borrow and spend fiscal
policy?

I ask again,
what more services do I get for my $135 vs. the guy that pays $12?

I'd really need a whole lot more information out of you about why the
other guys registration is $12 and yours in $135, what that money goes
to pay for, etc.

I'll guess there's nothing keeping you from buying that guys boat that
gets away with paying $12, so you have an easy option for saving the
$123 that seems to pain you so.

bb

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:41:17 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:

Do rich people need section 8 housing? Public schools? Healthcare
subsidies? Welfare? W.I.C.? Planned parenthood? Social security?

Of course...these programs help keep the poor folks "in their place," so
they don't ride out to the suburbs in dump trucks and string whitey up
on the nearest available trees. Just ask Rush. You really are a piece of
work, Dave.

They keep the poor folks in their place by removing any incentive to
become educated and get gainfully employed. (No, drug dealing doesn't
count.)

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:41:17 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:

Do rich people need section 8 housing? Public schools? Healthcare
subsidies? Welfare? W.I.C.? Planned parenthood? Social security?

Of course...these programs help keep the poor folks "in their place," so
they don't ride out to the suburbs in dump trucks and string whitey up
on the nearest available trees. Just ask Rush. You really are a piece of
work, Dave.

They keep the poor folks in their place by removing any incentive to
become educated and get gainfully employed. (No, drug dealing doesn't
count.)

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


You know, John, you ought to be more careful. As a public employee
working for a county school system in a fairly progressive community,
your covertly and overtly racist remarks in this newsgroup might haunt
you. Someone who wanted to get even could simply print out 20 or 30 of
your posts that put down blacks and Hispanics, present them to an
official with the super's office, and you'd be out on your butt.

This isn't a threat or a warning...just an observation. I don't make
trouble for people. But someone else you've offended might.

Even if what you say is true I guess the right to free speech is something
you don't believe in.

"JimH" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:41:17 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:

Do rich people need section 8 housing? Public schools? Healthcare
subsidies? Welfare? W.I.C.? Planned parenthood? Social security?

Of course...these programs help keep the poor folks "in their place," so
they don't ride out to the suburbs in dump trucks and string whitey up
on the nearest available trees. Just ask Rush. You really are a piece of
work, Dave.

They keep the poor folks in their place by removing any incentive to
become educated and get gainfully employed. (No, drug dealing doesn't
count.)

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


You know, John, you ought to be more careful. As a public employee
working for a county school system in a fairly progressive community,
your covertly and overtly racist remarks in this newsgroup might haunt
you. Someone who wanted to get even could simply print out 20 or 30 of
your posts that put down blacks and Hispanics, present them to an
official with the super's office, and you'd be out on your butt.

This isn't a threat or a warning...just an observation. I don't make
trouble for people. But someone else you've offended might.

Even if what you say is true I guess the right to free speech is something
you don't believe in.

Typical spineless threat by the union leech...........'somebody else' may
do something.......wish I had a nickel for everytime I've seen that
one.....I could buy my own 36 lobsta boat....

I'd like you to attempt to explain this, if you can. Which government
services are in more demand from "rich" people? The rich tend to use
their own paid-for services rather than rely on the often inferior
services provided by government subsidies.

If the United States of America did not exist, and we had some other country
here instead, the lives of the poorest people in the country would be very
little different than they are today. They would work crap jobs for wages that
provide inadequate sustenance. The government would be keeping them off the
street by providing artificially cheap housing and some free or
artificially cheap food- thereby enabling the
capitalists in the society (or the government itself) to exploit the poor by
paying wages well below anything one could begin to live on. (They would
probably have access to better health care). LIfe would be routinely
disappointing, and while those with greater privilege in such a society might
say "All you need to do is to decide to rise up to my level", the lower middle
class and the poor would discover there are practical barriers to doing so.

For example: How does one sign up for a night class, to improve education, when
their employer puts them on an unpredictable schedule? This week you'll work 25
hours, mostly between 0900 and 1300 every day. Next week, you'll work 55 hours-
between 1400 and 2300 every day- (but we'll pay you for 40, the other 15 are
off the clock). The following week we're closing for inventory, so you won't
work at all........

If the United States didn't exist, the poor would hardly know it. Their lives
would be little different in most European, South American, or even some Asian
countries.
The well off? They'd see a difference right away.

Most of the wealthy people in the United States achieved that wealth as a
direct result of a social, economic, and physical infrastructure established,
maintained, and defended by the government. Certainly those who made money,
rather than merely inherited it, took some risks, invested some capital,
and made good decisions- but the fact that the captial was invested, the risks
assumed, and the decisions made in the United States made success a far more
likely outcome.

Our industries extract resources from public lands. Timber companies, mining
companies, oil companies, cattle grazing operations, etc are all subsidized by
the taxpayers via artificially cheap access to natural resources in national
forests and other public areas.

We provide an interstate highway system, dredge waterways, subsidize airports
and operate an interstate air traffic control system to faciltate the
transportation of goods and services.

The government sponsors SBA loans and other start-up assistance to business
people, and writes off billions of dollars in losses from these loans each year
as some of the businesses fail.

The government tax structure in the United States is very favorable to the
wealthy. Our top tax bracket for federal income tax is much less than in most
industrialized countries, and we have tens of thousands of pages in the tax
code defining "tax shelters" that are used primarily by the well off and almost
never by the poor.

Above all else, we spend hundreds of billions of dollars each year "defending"
this country. If we were overwhelmed by 21st Century Visigoths next week, whose
lives would be most impacted and disrupted? When the mongol hordes come across
the Rio Grande to rape and pillage
throughout the US, do you suppose they will head straight to the public housing
projects to avail themselves of all the abundance there?

Seems like the terrorists like to target the government, (Pentagon), and high
profile capitalism (WTC), when they attack the US. We all benefit from
government funded defense, but those most likely to be targeted can be said to
benefit the most.

It's disgusting to listen to people who have done well in the US, but who
wouldn't have amounted to a hill of frijoles elsewhere, sitting atop a sack of
gold and proclaim, with a blank stare, "The US Government hasn't done anything
for me, all the money and effort expended by the government goes directly to
the poor.....(that built my business for me by providing cheap labor).....and
those ignorant, immoral, lazy folks from diverse ethnic backgrounds just sit
around making babies in return."

Those of us with an extra buck or two, and owing a boat puts you in that
category almost automatically- no matter how humble the craft, have a lot to be
thankful for. We wouldn't have what we have accumulated and wouldn't have had
the opportunities to do so in many countries around the world. Thanksgiving is
just a couple of weeks away; how many of us will
forget to be thankful for our special privileges in the US and simply be
thankful that we aren't "poor" like some other folks?

Never let it be said the the US government doesn't enable the accumulation and
preservation of riches better than any other on the planet. That's the main
reason why
so many millions of people across the globe are (sometimes literally) dieing to
come here.

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:26:21 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:41:17 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:

Do rich people need section 8 housing? Public schools? Healthcare
subsidies? Welfare? W.I.C.? Planned parenthood? Social security?

Of course...these programs help keep the poor folks "in their place," so
they don't ride out to the suburbs in dump trucks and string whitey up
on the nearest available trees. Just ask Rush. You really are a piece of
work, Dave.

They keep the poor folks in their place by removing any incentive to
become educated and get gainfully employed. (No, drug dealing doesn't
count.)

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


You know, John, you ought to be more careful. As a public employee
working for a county school system in a fairly progressive community,
your covertly and overtly racist remarks in this newsgroup might haunt
you. Someone who wanted to get even could simply print out 20 or 30 of
your posts that put down blacks and Hispanics, present them to an
official with the super's office, and you'd be out on your butt.

This isn't a threat or a warning...just an observation. I don't make
trouble for people. But someone else you've offended might.

Why don't you enlighten us with a reposting of the 20 or 30 'put
downs' of Blacks and Hispanics, Harry. That should be interesting.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On 10 Nov 2004 18:18:21 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

I'd like you to attempt to explain this, if you can. Which government
services are in more demand from "rich" people? The rich tend to use
their own paid-for services rather than rely on the often inferior
services provided by government subsidies.

If the United States of America did not exist, and we had some other country
here instead, the lives of the poorest people in the country would be very
little different than they are today. They would work crap jobs for wages that
provide inadequate sustenance. The government would be keeping them off the
street by providing artificially cheap housing and some free or
artificially cheap food- thereby enabling the
capitalists in the society (or the government itself) to exploit the poor by
paying wages well below anything one could begin to live on. (They would
probably have access to better health care). LIfe would be routinely
disappointing, and while those with greater privilege in such a society might
say "All you need to do is to decide to rise up to my level", the lower middle
class and the poor would discover there are practical barriers to doing so.

For example: How does one sign up for a night class, to improve education, when
their employer puts them on an unpredictable schedule? This week you'll work 25
hours, mostly between 0900 and 1300 every day. Next week, you'll work 55 hours-
between 1400 and 2300 every day- (but we'll pay you for 40, the other 15 are
off the clock). The following week we're closing for inventory, so you won't
work at all........

If the United States didn't exist, the poor would hardly know it. Their lives
would be little different in most European, South American, or even some Asian
countries.
The well off? They'd see a difference right away.

Most of the wealthy people in the United States achieved that wealth as a
direct result of a social, economic, and physical infrastructure established,
maintained, and defended by the government. Certainly those who made money,
rather than merely inherited it, took some risks, invested some capital,
and made good decisions- but the fact that the captial was invested, the risks
assumed, and the decisions made in the United States made success a far more
likely outcome.

Our industries extract resources from public lands. Timber companies, mining
companies, oil companies, cattle grazing operations, etc are all subsidized by
the taxpayers via artificially cheap access to natural resources in national
forests and other public areas.

We provide an interstate highway system, dredge waterways, subsidize airports
and operate an interstate air traffic control system to faciltate the
transportation of goods and services.

The government sponsors SBA loans and other start-up assistance to business
people, and writes off billions of dollars in losses from these loans each year
as some of the businesses fail.

The government tax structure in the United States is very favorable to the
wealthy. Our top tax bracket for federal income tax is much less than in most
industrialized countries, and we have tens of thousands of pages in the tax
code defining "tax shelters" that are used primarily by the well off and almost
never by the poor.

Above all else, we spend hundreds of billions of dollars each year "defending"
this country. If we were overwhelmed by 21st Century Visigoths next week, whose
lives would be most impacted and disrupted? When the mongol hordes come across
the Rio Grande to rape and pillage
throughout the US, do you suppose they will head straight to the public housing
projects to avail themselves of all the abundance there?

Seems like the terrorists like to target the government, (Pentagon), and high
profile capitalism (WTC), when they attack the US. We all benefit from
government funded defense, but those most likely to be targeted can be said to
benefit the most.

It's disgusting to listen to people who have done well in the US, but who
wouldn't have amounted to a hill of frijoles elsewhere, sitting atop a sack of
gold and proclaim, with a blank stare, "The US Government hasn't done anything
for me, all the money and effort expended by the government goes directly to
the poor.....(that built my business for me by providing cheap labor).....and
those ignorant, immoral, lazy folks from diverse ethnic backgrounds just sit
around making babies in return."

Those of us with an extra buck or two, and owing a boat puts you in that
category almost automatically- no matter how humble the craft, have a lot to be
thankful for. We wouldn't have what we have accumulated and wouldn't have had
the opportunities to do so in many countries around the world. Thanksgiving is
just a couple of weeks away; how many of us will
forget to be thankful for our special privileges in the US and simply be
thankful that we aren't "poor" like some other folks?

Never let it be said the the US government doesn't enable the accumulation and
preservation of riches better than any other on the planet. That's the main
reason why
so many millions of people across the globe are (sometimes literally) dieing to
come here.

I sure hope you were out on the Sound, cruising at about 8 knots,
enjoying the breeze when you wrote all that.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!