Gould,

Do you have a problem with a community who purchases and display non
religious Xmas lights and/or Xmas trees on public property?


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
IF the majority of a particular
town or community are of a certain religion, that they be allowed to
celebrate their religious traditions IN PUBLIC, without having to deal
with a few minorities who can't seem to exercise the same principle of
tolerance, that they want applied to them.

We absolutely agree on this item. When a religious group wants to preach
or
proselytize, they should be allowed to have a reasonable number of props
on
display during the time they are actively preaching or proselytizing. Take
Xmas
Decs, for example. This is always a contentious issue. I believe that
Christian
groups who want to preach about a Virgin birth, etc etc, are absolutely
entitled to do so- and in public. While preaching, handing out tracts,
conducting a public prayer session, or what not in a public place such as
a
city park, it could be appropriate to have plywood cutouts of angels,
camels,
shepherds, etc on hand to "set the stage".
It is not appropriate to store these religious artifacts in public space
or at
public expense between prayer sessions or speeches. It is not appropriate
for
the city to condone a passive display of these items outside the active
exercise of free speech. It is not appropriate for the common purse of the
entire community to pay for religious icons for one particular sect or
faith,
regardless of the number of adherents that faith might claim in the
community.


I'm not a bible scholar. Trying to "interpret" what Christ was
"actually" saying is akin to trying to figure out which side of an
issue John Kerry was on at any given time. I'll leave that circular
and endless debate to those who have nothing else to accomplish.


Does your minister know that you consider Jesus as much a flip-flopper as
John
Kerry? :-)

That was the wind-up, and here's the pitch:

If the teachings of Jesus are open to interpretation rather than absolute,
how
can *any* nation, even one you fantasize to be a "Christian" nation, hope
to
use those teachings as a foundation for secular law? Shouldn't the law
exist
independently from any specific religious teaching, (Christian, Jewish,
Muslim,
Hindu, Pagan, Wiccan, etc) and leave the spiritual aspects of life up to
individual conscience and interpretation?

How can we create laws and social structures based on Christian teachings,
even
in a "Christian nation", when Christians have been killing one another
almost
unceasingly for the last 2000 years over disagreements about what the
teachings
of Jesus actually meant?

Even if 70, 80, 90, or even 99% of the people agree on a specific
religious
interpratation, there's no reason to write that interpretation into the
law.
Society will observe that premise, (whether it is that each student should
begin the school day by reciting the Lord's Prayer, or that no woman
should
seek abortion for any reason, or that same sex persons should not couple),
in
*exactly* the same proportion as percentage of people who hold that view.
Mission accomplished.

Dr. Dr. Smithers wrote:
Gould,

Do you have a problem with a community who purchases and display non
religious Xmas lights and/or Xmas trees on public property?

You mean like the big red & green lights that many cities have hung up
over street intersections? They look very festive.

DSK

That was what I was talking about, there are many non religious Christmas
decorations used by cities and stores across the nation.


"DSK" wrote in message
...
Dr. Dr. Smithers wrote:
Gould,

Do you have a problem with a community who purchases and display non
religious Xmas lights and/or Xmas trees on public property?

You mean like the big red & green lights that many cities have hung up
over street intersections? They look very festive.

DSK

DSK wrote:
Dr. Dr. Smithers wrote:
Gould,

Do you have a problem with a community who purchases and display non
religious Xmas lights and/or Xmas trees on public property?

You mean like the big red & green lights that many cities have hung up
over street intersections? They look very festive.

DSK

In Chesapeake Beach, they use nautical decorations for the holidays.

--
A passing thought:

The definition of an upgrade: Take old bugs out, put new ones in.

Gould,

Do you have a problem with a community who purchases and display non
religious Xmas lights and/or Xmas trees on public property?

There are many seasonal decorations, such as electric lights, that do not carry
a specific religious connotation. No problem.
I always get a kick out of the folks who claim the Yule Tree is a symbol of
Christianity. It's more accurately a symbol of another religious tradition....

On 16 Nov 2004 07:02:28 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Gould,

Do you have a problem with a community who purchases and display non
religious Xmas lights and/or Xmas trees on public property?

There are many seasonal decorations, such as electric lights, that do not carry
a specific religious connotation. No problem.
I always get a kick out of the folks who claim the Yule Tree is a symbol of
Christianity. It's more accurately a symbol of another religious tradition....


Yet these same people lump all those trimming under the same
"Christian" umbrella when they attempt to block its observance.

Dave

Yet these same people lump all those trimming under the same
"Christian" umbrella when they attempt to block its observance.

Dave

I believe you're wrong.

A tree with lights on it just flat isn't a Christian symbol.

I disapprove of public dollars spent to put up mangers, angels, etc. Those
types of decorations belong in the front yards of churches and homes, where a
publicly viewed display is completely appropriate and brightens the season a
bit.

I have no problem with a decorated tree. The religion that venerates trees, and
brings one indoors in the dead of winter to cover it with "jewelry" and other
offerings
is all but dead throughout the world. Most people understand a decorated tree
as a secular symbol today. Not so with the Nativity pageant.