Joyous Solstice to all.....
 

One of the few religious traditions during this particular portion of the year
that can be verified by science. :-)

Joyous Solstice to all.....
 

Yes! Tomorrow the sun goes north. But it will get colder for another 3
weeks. Small mercy.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
One of the few religious traditions during this particular portion of the
year
that can be verified by science. :-)

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On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:39:24 +0000, Gould 0738 wrote:

One of the few religious traditions during this particular portion of the year
that can be verified by science. :-)

Thank you, Chuck, and a Yippy Yule to you! Went to two Yule celebrations this
weekend, drank lots of wassail, lit a candle at sunset to carry the light
through the Longest Night, but fell asleep at 4 am.

Lloyd (aka druid)

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Three weeks?? You must mean 3 months and counting??

Eric H wrote in message news:AqxFb.85$im3.54@fe01...
Yes! Tomorrow the sun goes north. But it will get colder for another 3
weeks. Small mercy.

Joyous Solstice to all.....
 

Three weeks?? You must mean 3 months and counting??

Point taken, Don.
We only get COLDER for another 3 weeks; we bottom out in mid-January.
But we will be TOO cold for another 3 months. At least I catch a break
this year as we will spend January on the coast a little north of Tampa Bay.
The rental house comes with a "flats boat". Something new for me.
Happy Holidays!

Joyous Solstice to all.....
 

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:25:21 GMT, WaIIy wrote:

On 22 Dec 2003 06:39:24 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

One of the few religious traditions during this particular portion of the year
that can be verified by science. :-)

**** you, Gould. You really stepped over the line.

Is his statement untrue? If it is, what other tradition of faith can be
objectively verified?

And why does his statement offend you?

Joyous Solstice to all.....
 

**** you, Gould. You really stepped over the line.

Thank you, Wally.

The oldest religious festivals at this time of year all celebrated solstice.

Is the tilting of the earth on its axis and the changing of seasons not
scientifically verifiable?

I don't know what faith you might subscribe to, but is it offensive to
recognize a divine hand in the order of the universe and rejoice when the
seasons continue to progress?

Do you think Christians own December 25? The celebration of Christmas was
placed during this week to make it easier for Constantine to impose
Christianity on
the conquered nations of northern Europe.
(It was easier to officially announce that the festivals were in honor of
Jesus' birth than to try to ban one of the most important celebrations of the
year).

The birth of Jesus isn't even mentioned in two of the four biographies of Jesus
in the Bible. Unusual, since most of the other (often somewhat less miraculous)
events are mentioned in at least three. Nevertheless, it could have happened
exactly as the old texts stated.............
but it would be very unlikely that it happened in the last week of December.

"There were shepherds keeping watch over
their flocks by night......"

Shepherds didn't sleep outdoors in Judea until spring. Too cold. Sorry about
the date, but that doesn't make the story any less beautiful, any less
symbolic, or any less important to millions upon millions of Christian
believers.

**** you, Gould. You really stepped over the line.

Last I checked, Christianity is one of the simplest religions of all. There are
only two
unbreakable rules. 1) Love God with all your heart and soul. 2) Love your
neighbor as much as you love yourself.

Based on you comment, whatever sensibility I accidentally offended it certainly
couldn't have been Christian.

Your thoughts, ideas, beliefs, and philosophies are not a threat to me, nor do
I find them offensive. (Your behavior? We won't go there).

I am sorry, for you, if your universe is so small and dark that only those who
agree with your every perspective have a place in it. While you might be likely
to condemn me to hell after death, being stuck in a world of hatred only means
that you get to experience it while still alive. Too bad.

Merry Christmas, Wally. :-)

Joyous Solstice to all.....
 

On 23 Dec 2003 17:17:48 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

**** you, Gould. You really stepped over the line.

Thank you, Wally.

The oldest religious festivals at this time of year all celebrated solstice.

And look at Easter!

It occurs on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal
equinox--a Pagan festival. The word "Easter" comes from the name of an
Anglo-Saxon goddess, Eostre.

And the Easter Bunny? Well, think "fertility"--but in a rather, um...graphic
sense.

Joe Parsons

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WaIIy wrote:

On 22 Dec 2003 06:39:24 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

One of the few religious traditions during this particular portion of the year
that can be verified by science. :-)

**** you, Gould. You really stepped over the line.


Wally, Wally, Wally...why be so upset? There's no way on this earth or
in God's heaven, if it does exist, that *you* or those who share your
selfish right-wing political beliefs would be accepted as followers of
Jesus.

You're supposed to suffer the little children, not make them suffer.

Remember?

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it
were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and
that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto
you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father
which is in heaven.


Just the opposite of your beliefs.



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We usually have a very cold period in January also.( minus 15 or so C)
February usually produces more snow.
Best wishes for the holidays to you.

Eric H wrote in message
news:1WRFb.107$Wf4.38@fe10...
Three weeks?? You must mean 3 months and counting??

Point taken, Don.
We only get COLDER for another 3 weeks; we bottom out in mid-January.
But we will be TOO cold for another 3 months. At least I catch a
break
this year as we will spend January on the coast a little north of Tampa
Bay.
The rental house comes with a "flats boat". Something new for me.
Happy Holidays!

Joyous Solstice to all.....
 

Thermal inertia. Then the slow climb-out back to decent temps. Happens
again in summer as temps peak in July after June 21.

-W

"Don White" wrote in message
...
We usually have a very cold period in January also.( minus 15 or so C)
February usually produces more snow.
Best wishes for the holidays to you.

Eric H wrote in message
news:1WRFb.107$Wf4.38@fe10...
Three weeks?? You must mean 3 months and counting??

Point taken, Don.
We only get COLDER for another 3 weeks; we bottom out in mid-January.
But we will be TOO cold for another 3 months. At least I catch a
break
this year as we will spend January on the coast a little north of Tampa
Bay.
The rental house comes with a "flats boat". Something new for me.
Happy Holidays!

Joyous Solstice to all.....
 

Gould is 100% correct on this one.

When Constantine put the early Church of Rome under the State's wing, the
flies captured the flypaper.

From the Pagan festival of the winter solstice, to the spring fertility
celebrations, early Christianity adapted much of the trappings of Pagan
Europe, in order to more easily win over "converts".

While the historical date of the ressurection is aligned with Passover, the
date picked for Christmas was to usurp the winter solstice festival. Most
scientists agree Jesus of Nazareth was born in Oct, I believe. And Easter
still bears most of the trappings of the pagan spring fertility festivals of
the equanox.

It always cracks me up when Christians focus in on Halloween as being the
problem. ALL the Christian holidays are very polluted with outside
influence.

-W (A Christian, but not a moron)




"Gould 0738" wrote in message
news:20031223121748.15210.00001749@mb-

Do you think Christians own December 25? The celebration of Christmas was
placed during this week to make it easier for Constantine to impose
Christianity on
the conquered nations of northern Europe.
(It was easier to officially announce that the festivals were in honor of
Jesus' birth than to try to ban one of the most important celebrations of
the
year).

The birth of Jesus isn't even mentioned in two of the four biographies of
Jesus
in the Bible. Unusual, since most of the other (often somewhat less
miraculous)
events are mentioned in at least three. Nevertheless, it could have
happened
exactly as the old texts stated.............
but it would be very unlikely that it happened in the last week of
December.

"There were shepherds keeping watch over
their flocks by night......"

Shepherds didn't sleep outdoors in Judea until spring. Too cold. Sorry
about
the date, but that doesn't make the story any less beautiful, any less
symbolic, or any less important to millions upon millions of Christian
believers.

**** you, Gould. You really stepped over the line.

Last I checked, Christianity is one of the simplest religions of all.
There are
only two
unbreakable rules. 1) Love God with all your heart and soul. 2) Love your
neighbor as much as you love yourself.

Based on you comment, whatever sensibility I accidentally offended it
certainly
couldn't have been Christian.

Your thoughts, ideas, beliefs, and philosophies are not a threat to me,
nor do
I find them offensive. (Your behavior? We won't go there).

I am sorry, for you, if your universe is so small and dark that only those
who
agree with your every perspective have a place in it. While you might be
likely
to condemn me to hell after death, being stuck in a world of hatred only
means
that you get to experience it while still alive. Too bad.

Merry Christmas, Wally. :-)

Joyous Solstice to all.....
 

Nope. This was done for more easy "conversion". I'm not saying it was 100%
wrong - in the day. But I would think the religion could move past that -
by now.

The Protestant Reformation, didn't reform enough. LOL

And religion and science don't have to be enemies.

-W

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 03:17:41 GMT, "Clams Canino"
wrote:

Gould is 100% correct on this one.


I'll go Gould one better..... I can't name one single christian
holiday that wasn't tacked on to an pre-existing Pagan holiday.....

... can you?

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However.

Using a small "c" and capital "P" fails the smell test.

-W

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message

I'll go Gould one better..... I can't name one single christian
holiday that wasn't tacked on to an pre-existing Pagan holiday.....

Joyous Solstice to all.....
 

And best to you and all reading this.
After some of the recent posts, we need a little peace on earth or at
least in rec.boats.

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as does Gould's cheap shot a few days before Christmas.

Disgusting.


I'm always willing to learn from god examples set by others. Let's see, where's
that line written by a guy who was offended
that the solstice can be proven by science? Oh, here it is....

**** you, Gould. You really stepped over the line.

Ok. Now I get it. *That's* the way we're all supposed to behave a few days
before Christmas.

Joyous Solstice to all.....
 

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 07:20:35 +0000, WaIIy wrote:



as does Gould's cheap shot a few days before Christmas.

Disgusting.



So...exactly when SHOULD he wish us a joyous Winter Solstice (BTW: The correct
pagan name is "Yule") - May, perhaps?

The sound you heard was your name going into the Bozo file. If you find a post
wishing everyone joy and happiness offensive, you obviously have nothing to say
I'd be interested in hearing.

Lloyd - aka druid

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Nothing obscene about gilrls pole dancing. :)

-W

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message

Then there is that pesky obscene
thing about the Maypole and all of those girls dancing around it, but
we won't go there....

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Clams Canino wrote:

Nothing obscene about gilrls pole dancing. :)

-W

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message

Then there is that pesky obscene
thing about the Maypole and all of those girls dancing around it, but
we won't go there....



Puh-lease...there are Republicans reading this newsgroup. They think sex
has something to do with the Easter bunny.

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On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 01:56:09 GMT, "Clams Canino"
wrote:

Nothing obscene about gilrls pole dancing. :)

-W

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message

Then there is that pesky obscene
thing about the Maypole and all of those girls dancing around it, but
we won't go there....

Puh-lease...there are Democrats reading this newsgroup. They think they
should be allowed to rape the pole dancer and get away with it.

Steve

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It's not rape in the top bunk.

-W

"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
...

Puh-lease...there are Democrats reading this newsgroup. They think they
should be allowed to rape the pole dancer and get away with it.

Steve

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Gene Kearns wrote:

On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 03:21:56 GMT, "Clams Canino"
wrote:

It's not rape in the top bunk.

-W

Would that be considered assault with a friendly weapon??


Gene, I zipped over to your pages, looked down the list of photo ops,
and saw an entry for PROM 2003. Was I excited or what...I was hoping to
see some pix of you with your hair and beard done up nicely, and in your
best duds and party pumps.

But, alas, no such luck.

Happy Holidays!




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Would that be considered assault with a friendly weapon??

For a lot of us, assault with a dead weapon would be more appropriate.

Joyous Solstice to all.....
 

Would that be considered assault with a friendly weapon??

For a lot of us, assault with a dead weapon would be more appropriate.

My three (going on four-year-old) nephew wanted a talking character doll for
Christmas. The doll is based on the movie
"Toy Story", where the main characters are apparently a cowboy named "Woody"
and a spaceman named "Buzz Lightyear."

Was a shame really. Whole room full of middle aged and older men, and I can't
say that anybody but the four year old got a "Woody" at the celebraton. :-)

But it is reassuring to know that there are probably still hundreds of Woodys
available at Sears, most likely half off after the holidays......... (oh,
dear..better not go there at all!)

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Thanks for the chuckle, Chuck. ( yes, that's an easy "chuckle chuck" ad
nauseum).
Maybe Sears will unload the overstock of Woodys to AARP's generic drug
program for use in lieu of Viagra or that stuff that lets you throw an old,
wrinkled football through a banged-up flat tire that needs a rope to keep it
from draggin' on the ground.
(Sorry, couldn't help myself.)