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What are the qualitity differences. Sea Ray-Regal
I understand the Sea Ray is a better qualitty boat. I am trying to
find a starter cuddy for under 20k. i found a 99 19 foot Sea Ray and a 1996 22 foot Regal, both 19k. The regal has a sink and porta potty (which my wife really wants.) How much difference in qualitity are the boats thesmselves? I am looking for something to take to Catalina and to the river. WIll the 22 foot Regal be better for the ocean trips? I believe there is only a 1 inch difference in the beam. 8'2" for the Yau and 8'3" for the Regal. Thanks for your replies. |
What are the qualitity differences. Sea Ray-Regal
I assume these two boats are the ones at Inland Auto, Boat, RV in San
Bernardino, CA. No real comparison in these two boats. Completely different. Don't get hung up on brand in this size boat. Now both boats sound overpriced to me. Both boats should sell for $17k out the door based on what I saw at www.boattraderonline.com Check www.boattraderonline.com for other options. Check out the one in Tx. It even has A/C and is a lot cheaper. Remember, there are not a lot of people walking around wanting to spend money on a boat right now. You are in the drivers seat. Stick to a price of $17k and walk out if he won't take it and tell him to call you when he decides to. Also demand a 90 day warrenty. That way you don't have to worry about the engine or anything not working this season. Of course this assumes you are not going to blow the engine up on purpose to get a new one for free. Tony My boats and autos - http://t.thomas.home.mchsi.com "Bryan" wrote in message ... I understand the Sea Ray is a better qualitty boat. I am trying to find a starter cuddy for under 20k. i found a 99 19 foot Sea Ray and a 1996 22 foot Regal, both 19k. The regal has a sink and porta potty (which my wife really wants.) How much difference in qualitity are the boats thesmselves? I am looking for something to take to Catalina and to the river. WIll the 22 foot Regal be better for the ocean trips? I believe there is only a 1 inch difference in the beam. 8'2" for the Yau and 8'3" for the Regal. Thanks for your replies. |
What are the qualitity differences. Sea Ray-Regal
I have a Searay 22. I can't imagine two adults overnight aboard anything
smaller. Of course, my previous was a 30' Newport sailboat. If you're planning to overnight with two or more people on board, go with larger boat. Of course, there are many areas of concern in buying a used boat. One very significant factor is the (...wife really wants.) factor! J K I understand the Sea Ray is a better qualitty boat. I am trying to find a starter cuddy for under 20k. i found a 99 19 foot Sea Ray and a 1996 22 foot Regal, both 19k. The regal has a sink and porta potty (which my wife really wants.) How much difference in qualitity are the boats thesmselves? I am looking for something to take to Catalina and to the river. WIll the 22 foot Regal be better for the ocean trips? I believe there is only a 1 inch difference in the beam. 8'2" for the Yau and 8'3" for the Regal. Thanks for your replies. |
What are the qualitity differences. Sea Ray-Regal
Your perceptions of Sea Ray from the slick brochures and extensive
marketing are not quite correct...... Look INSIDE a Sea Ray hull he http://www.yachtsurvey.com/Fiberglass_Boats.htm Think Bayliner......Brunswick owns them both. I own one......my last one. The pictures don't lie.......ONE woven layer just so the surveyors THINK it 's fiberglass....which, obviously from the pictures, it's not! Don't know about the Regal......I think most new boats are built this way now to be made so cheap with so much profit. Those dealers riding around with the Rolex in a Lexus are part of the problem. On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:44:09 -0700, Bryan wrote: I understand the Sea Ray is a better qualitty boat. I am trying to find a starter cuddy for under 20k. i found a 99 19 foot Sea Ray and a 1996 22 foot Regal, both 19k. The regal has a sink and porta potty (which my wife really wants.) How much difference in qualitity are the boats thesmselves? I am looking for something to take to Catalina and to the river. WIll the 22 foot Regal be better for the ocean trips? I believe there is only a 1 inch difference in the beam. 8'2" for the Yau and 8'3" for the Regal. Thanks for your replies. Larry W4CSC "No, NO, Mr Spock! I said beam me down a WRENCH, not a WENCH! KIRK OUT!" |
What are the qualitity differences. Sea Ray-Regal
The pictures don't lie......
No. So why pick Sea Ray out for special crucifixion? Take a look at the pictures you link to. See that one in the upper left? Looks like the "chunks" of stuff are labeled by brand name. I can clearly see Chapparal and Formula labels, along with the Sea Ray. Neither Chapparal or Formula are Brunswick products. Don't know about the Regal......I think most new boats are built this way now to be made so cheap with so much profit. Those dealers riding around with the Rolex in a Lexus are part of the problem. Here's a real shocker for you: The dealers don't build the boats! |
What are the qualitity differences. Sea Ray-Regal
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What are the qualitity differences. Sea Ray-Regal
Here's a real shocker for you Chuckie - the dealers do sell them, and they
either do or should know how they're built. Karlie- Are the dealers *responsible* for the construction of the product? Do they design and construct the boats? Of course not. There's a difference between knowing how a boat is built and being responsible for building it that way. So what have 100's of dealers done over the years when the quality of the product they are buying from the builder drops below the standard they would like to offer to their customers? Usually, they will voice their opinion and try to lobby for upgrades. If that doesn't happen, dealers will often change franchises rather than sell a produt that doesn't meet their company or personal standards. There's a reason I have an older Hatteras - it doesn't have that kind of crap in the hull bottom. It is nice, thick, SOLID fiberglass. Keep that Hatt in good repair, because if you ever have to buy a new one it will be built by Brunswick. :-) |
What are the qualitity differences. Sea Ray-Regal
Larry wrote:
On 31 Jul 2003 15:42:22 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: Here's a real shocker for you Chuckie - the dealers do sell them, and they either do or should know how they're built. Karlie- Are the dealers *responsible* for the construction of the product? Do they design and construct the boats? Of course not. There's a difference between knowing how a boat is built and being responsible for building it that way. Yes, they are. The FTC manual on warranties specifies that the DEALER is responsible for seeing that any product he sells is ready to be sold and does what he promotes to the customers it will do.....It's called "Implied warranty of Merchantability" and "Implied warranty of suitability for a particular purpose". Larry the Lawyer. What a giggle. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
What are the qualitity differences. Sea Ray-Regal
Idiots....the customers are leaving in droves, including me. That old
Hatteras with the layer after layer of fine fiberglass so thick you can't hear the waves outside is a much better boat than any of the crap bubbleboats on the lot made of putty..... Larry, many more people boat today than in the days of yesteryear. One of the reasons that is true is because boat prices, relatiely speaking, are reasonable in comparison to income. If all that were available was the Hatt-level quality you swoon over, far fewer people would be boating. Is a "crappy" Sea Ray that gives twenty years of useful service before it's ready to be scrap really that bad of a product? It certainly isn't a Hattaras, but a comparable Hattaras might cost twice as much, if Hattaras made a competing product to traditional Hattaras standards. And far fewer people would buy it. Sometimes the mark of a good product is not that it lasts forever. A product can also be good for delivering functionaliy for less money. -- Rich Stern www.nitroowners.com - The Nitro and Tracker Owners Web Site www.mypontoon.com - The Pontoon Boat Web Site www.fishingreportdatabase.com - The Fishing Report Database www.mysporttrac.com - The Sport Trac Web Site |
What are the qualitity differences. Sea Ray-Regal
Larry, many more people boat today than in the days of yesteryear. One of
the reasons that is true is because boat prices, relatiely speaking, are reasonable in comparison to income. If all that were available was the Hatt-level quality you swoon over, far fewer people would be boating. Is a "crappy" Sea Ray that gives twenty years of useful service before it's ready to be scrap really that bad of a product? It certainly isn't a Hattaras, but a comparable Hattaras might cost twice as much, if Hattaras made a competing product to traditional Hattaras standards. And far fewer people would buy it. Sometimes the mark of a good product is not that it lasts forever. A product can also be good for delivering functionaliy for less money. -- Rich Stern www.nitroowners.com - The Nitro and Tracker Owners Web Site www.mypontoon.com - The Pontoon Boat Web Site www.fishingreportdatabase.com - The Fishing Report Database www.mysporttrac.com - The Sport Trac Web Site One of life's little comedies: Many people who drive run-of-the-mill mass produced automobiles, live in pre fab houses in cul-de-sacs, buy their clothes and furnishings from Sears, drink cheap beer, and go "out to dinner" at Pizza Palace will insist they wouldn't be caught in anything except the world's most perfect and pristine boat. This group is an exception, since most folks here have a boat, but all too often the guy who won't consider anything except the top boat from the top layer in the top drawer uses that as an excuse for not actually having a boat at all. "You've got a boat, and I don't. But your boat is a POS! My boat doesn't exist, (and years have gone by while I've putzed around with the economics of trying to afford one), but when (and if) I finally get one, it will be a fine, handcrafted work of art, not some mass produced hunka junk like that major brand name you own (and enjoy). Even though I'm only going to boat in the summer months, on a medium size freshwater lake, and the highest wind ever recorded in the months of June, July, and August in my area was 20 knots, you can bet your bottom dollar I won't settle for a boat that won't stand up to a hurricane well offshore in the Atlantic! Anything less is a POS!" A lot or "Brand X is always crap" comments are like that old song "row, row, row your boat." It hangs around from generation to generation, and nobody takes it too seriously. It's easy to learn and quickly repeated, and gives you something to vocalize over if you haven't got any idea how to actually sing. |
What are the qualitity differences. Sea Ray-Regal
One of life's little comedies: Many people who drive run-of-the-mill mass
produced automobiles, live in pre fab houses in cul-de-sacs, buy their clothes and furnishings from Sears, drink cheap beer, and go "out to dinner" at Pizza Palace will insist they wouldn't be caught in anything except the world's most perfect and pristine boat. Clothes are too expensive at Sears. I have better luck at Marshalls. -- Rich Stern www.nitroowners.com - The Nitro and Tracker Owners Web Site www.mypontoon.com - The Pontoon Boat Web Site www.fishingreportdatabase.com - The Fishing Report Database www.mysporttrac.com - The Sport Trac Web Site |
What are the qualitity differences. Sea Ray-Regal
Hmm....How many people would have to die from the hull splitting open
before it would be a "bad product"? One. Please relate a single incident where somebody died from the hull "splitting open". He pulled the outer hull away from the "putty" with his bare hands. The putty was from a repair. For gawds sake, take a look at the picture!! |
What are the qualitity differences. Sea Ray-Regal
Rich Stern wrote:
One of life's little comedies: Many people who drive run-of-the-mill mass produced automobiles, live in pre fab houses in cul-de-sacs, buy their clothes and furnishings from Sears, drink cheap beer, and go "out to dinner" at Pizza Palace will insist they wouldn't be caught in anything except the world's most perfect and pristine boat. Clothes are too expensive at Sears. I have better luck at Marshalls. -- Rich Stern www.nitroowners.com - The Nitro and Tracker Owners Web Site www.mypontoon.com - The Pontoon Boat Web Site www.fishingreportdatabase.com - The Fishing Report Database www.mysporttrac.com - The Sport Trac Web Site I have some really expensive suits that I wear on those few occasions where I *have* to wear a suit, These occasions include business meetings with stuffy people, some fancy dinner in the evening, and the occasional funeral. Fortunately, all of the occasions I've mentioned are fairly rare. For any other meeting, I wear plain cotton dress pants from Penney's, and, usually, a decent dress shirt sans tie. But I prefer shorts and tee-shirts. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
What are the qualitity differences. Sea Ray-Regal
Gould 0738 wrote:
Larry, many more people boat today than in the days of yesteryear. One of the reasons that is true is because boat prices, relatiely speaking, are reasonable in comparison to income. If all that were available was the Hatt-level quality you swoon over, far fewer people would be boating. Is a "crappy" Sea Ray that gives twenty years of useful service before it's ready to be scrap really that bad of a product? It certainly isn't a Hattaras, but a comparable Hattaras might cost twice as much, if Hattaras made a competing product to traditional Hattaras standards. And far fewer people would buy it. Sometimes the mark of a good product is not that it lasts forever. A product can also be good for delivering functionaliy for less money. -- Rich Stern www.nitroowners.com - The Nitro and Tracker Owners Web Site www.mypontoon.com - The Pontoon Boat Web Site www.fishingreportdatabase.com - The Fishing Report Database www.mysporttrac.com - The Sport Trac Web Site One of life's little comedies: Many people who drive run-of-the-mill mass produced automobiles, live in pre fab houses in cul-de-sacs, buy their clothes and furnishings from Sears, drink cheap beer, and go "out to dinner" at Pizza Palace will insist they wouldn't be caught in anything except the world's most perfect and pristine boat. This group is an exception, since most folks here have a boat, but all too often the guy who won't consider anything except the top boat from the top layer in the top drawer uses that as an excuse for not actually having a boat at all. "You've got a boat, and I don't. But your boat is a POS! My boat doesn't exist, (and years have gone by while I've putzed around with the economics of trying to afford one), but when (and if) I finally get one, it will be a fine, handcrafted work of art, not some mass produced hunka junk like that major brand name you own (and enjoy). Even though I'm only going to boat in the summer months, on a medium size freshwater lake, and the highest wind ever recorded in the months of June, July, and August in my area was 20 knots, you can bet your bottom dollar I won't settle for a boat that won't stand up to a hurricane well offshore in the Atlantic! Anything less is a POS!" A lot or "Brand X is always crap" comments are like that old song "row, row, row your boat." It hangs around from generation to generation, and nobody takes it too seriously. It's easy to learn and quickly repeated, and gives you something to vocalize over if you haven't got any idea how to actually sing. Aside from issues of taste or style, your boat purchase decision should be a result of an examination of your financial condition, your intended use, and the waters where you intend to use the boat. If you're an inland lake boater and the waters you frequent are not large or challenging, almost any boat will do. You certainly don't need an ocean-capable salt water boat to ply the waters of Lake Lanier. Even a small Bayliner will serve you well there. If you're a skinny water fisherman working the ICW and its creeks between the Georgia border and down the east coast of Florida, your best choice might well be a flat bottomed skiff with not much freeboard. You don't want your boat blown around on the creeks while you're trying to sneak up on some finned critters... I see some odd choices of boat out on Chesapeake Bay, including some huge sportfishers that never see the ocean and some little aluminum punts that look as if a wake from a jetski might swamp them. I can't figure out why anyone would go out on the Bay in boats as small as some I see. Heck, if you live in Greater Wichita, Kansas, and do most of your boating vicariously from whatever magazines you pick out at the barber shop, you don't need any boat. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
What are the qualitity differences. Sea Ray-Regal
He pulled the outer hull away from the "putty" with his bare hands. I
agree with Pascoe, someone with a hammer could easily put this piece of **** on the bottom.....so couldn't any tree limb hit when it was planed at 40. You don't even know what you are looking at. I challenge you to find such material in any new Sea Ray. Or Maxum. Or Bayliner. -- Rich Stern www.nitroowners.com - The Nitro and Tracker Owners Web Site www.mypontoon.com - The Pontoon Boat Web Site www.fishingreportdatabase.com - The Fishing Report Database www.mysporttrac.com - The Sport Trac Web Site |
What are the qualitity differences. Sea Ray-Regal
Hmm....How many people would have to die from the hull splitting open
before it would be a "bad product"? Is a boat so weak it came apart in these pictures SAFE to ride into heavy weather which may pop up, for instance? How cheap is not safe? If Pascoe mentions that 42 Bertram that took out the pilings again I'm going to scream. Enough with the Bertram already. For the amount of money it cost it bloody well better take out some pilings and I think it should be able to phone me while it's doing that and tell me a bedtime story. Yes, they have the capability of building a boat that will survive crashing into pilings during a hurricane. Can any of us afford that? No we can't. So we have two choices, either stop boating or buy boats that cannot withstand smashing into pilings. Everyone who intends to stop boating raise your hand. I thought so. So again we have two choices, we can go boating and continually freak out about our hulls, or we can go boating and enjoy it. Everyone who intends to spend their precious boating hours freaking out about their hulls raise your hand. Larry, put your hand down. Stop freaking out, go boating, enjoy yourself. |
What are the qualitity differences. Sea Ray-Regal
Karl Denninger wrote:
Buy your boats used. You can indeed afford boats that are built well. -- Sorry, but I don't like tired old boats...or tired old women, either. But I do own a nice 1959-1960 car that isn't too tired. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
What are the qualitity differences. Sea Ray-Regal
Buy your boats used.
You can indeed afford boats that are built well. I am very new to boating and I realize I may be starting an argument which is very much not my intention, I'm just trying to learn here. Would there be a difference between being built well and being able to survive being smashed into pilings by 74 mph winds in a hurricane? I swear to god that's not intended as flamebait, I honestly thought a well built boat could still fare badly if loose in a hurricane. |
What are the qualitity differences. Sea Ray-Regal
"Paul" wrote in message le.rogers.com... Buy your boats used. You can indeed afford boats that are built well. I am very new to boating and I realize I may be starting an argument which is very much not my intention, I'm just trying to learn here. Would there be a difference between being built well and being able to survive being smashed into pilings by 74 mph winds in a hurricane? I swear to god that's not intended as flamebait, I honestly thought a well built boat could still fare badly if loose in a hurricane. Built well is a combination of form, fit and function - which pretty much basically describes all manufactured or crafted products. One can assume that a boat built to survive being smashed into pilings by 74 mph winds is built well, but does it serve it's intended function and is it recognizable as a boat? A steel reinforced concrete block can be designed to float and most likely survive 74 mph winds and probably do some damage to the pilings, but can you water ski behind it? I've always been of the opinion that if it suits you and you are happy with what you have, then it is doing it's job despite what others say about it's relative merits in comparison. It's as simple as that. Later, Tom |
What are the qualitity differences. Sea Ray-Regal
Paul wrote:
Buy your boats used. You can indeed afford boats that are built well. I am very new to boating and I realize I may be starting an argument which is very much not my intention, I'm just trying to learn here. Would there be a difference between being built well and being able to survive being smashed into pilings by 74 mph winds in a hurricane? I swear to god that's not intended as flamebait, I honestly thought a well built boat could still fare badly if loose in a hurricane. Loose, maybe, slammed into pilings? Too many variables. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
What are the qualitity differences. Sea Ray-Regal
Harry, are you serious about "tired old woman" or was that a joke that
failed? Do you plan on getting rid of wife number 2 when she gets old and tired? "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Karl Denninger wrote: Buy your boats used. You can indeed afford boats that are built well. -- Sorry, but I don't like tired old boats...or tired old women, either. But I do own a nice 1959-1960 car that isn't too tired. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
What are the qualitity differences. Sea Ray-Regal
Paul,
If your looking for a boat to survive a Hurricane, your over thinking the whole Idea. Hurricanes are what insurance is for. If your looking for a lake boat (small) a Bayliner will suit you fine (sorry Harry, I agree with you on the brand but depending on the useage it would work.) You can pay 60k for a 20ft Cobalt or Chris Craft(new ones are very cool looking) and it will last forever. but if your using it on a smaller lake and keep it garaged the 20ft bayliner/glastron will give you the same pleasure for about 18k. best of luck "Paul" wrote in message le.rogers.com... Buy your boats used. You can indeed afford boats that are built well. I am very new to boating and I realize I may be starting an argument which is very much not my intention, I'm just trying to learn here. Would there be a difference between being built well and being able to survive being smashed into pilings by 74 mph winds in a hurricane? I swear to god that's not intended as flamebait, I honestly thought a well built boat could still fare badly if loose in a hurricane. |
What are the qualitity differences. Sea Ray-Regal
Hi Michael, thanks for your input.
I'm actually not looking for a boat that could survive a hurricane. I was just questioning the opinion some people hold that if it can't survive smashing it into a piling it's not well built. "Michael Seeley" wrote in message thlink.net... Paul, If your looking for a boat to survive a Hurricane, your over thinking the whole Idea. Hurricanes are what insurance is for. If your looking for a lake boat (small) a Bayliner will suit you fine (sorry Harry, I agree with you on the brand but depending on the useage it would work.) You can pay 60k for a 20ft Cobalt or Chris Craft(new ones are very cool looking) and it will last forever. but if your using it on a smaller lake and keep it garaged the 20ft bayliner/glastron will give you the same pleasure for about 18k. best of luck "Paul" wrote in message le.rogers.com... Buy your boats used. You can indeed afford boats that are built well. I am very new to boating and I realize I may be starting an argument which is very much not my intention, I'm just trying to learn here. Would there be a difference between being built well and being able to survive being smashed into pilings by 74 mph winds in a hurricane? I swear to god that's not intended as flamebait, I honestly thought a well built boat could still fare badly if loose in a hurricane. |
What are the qualitity differences. Sea Ray-Regal
Sorry for my faux-paus that should have been you're.
"Michael Seeley" wrote in message thlink.net... Paul, If your looking for a boat to survive a Hurricane, your over thinking the whole Idea. Hurricanes are what insurance is for. If your looking for a lake boat (small) a Bayliner will suit you fine (sorry Harry, I agree with you on the brand but depending on the useage it would work.) You can pay 60k for a 20ft Cobalt or Chris Craft(new ones are very cool looking) and it will last forever. but if your using it on a smaller lake and keep it garaged the 20ft bayliner/glastron will give you the same pleasure for about 18k. best of luck "Paul" wrote in message le.rogers.com... Buy your boats used. You can indeed afford boats that are built well. I am very new to boating and I realize I may be starting an argument which is very much not my intention, I'm just trying to learn here. Would there be a difference between being built well and being able to survive being smashed into pilings by 74 mph winds in a hurricane? I swear to god that's not intended as flamebait, I honestly thought a well built boat could still fare badly if loose in a hurricane. |
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