On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:38:24 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:14:02 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

your fuel
flow is like 36 Gph (1.43 mpg x 25Mph).

==========================

Tom, your math is backwards:

25 mph / 1.43 mpg = 17.48 gph

about right for 175 actual hp

Dammit!!!

You know, mathematicians are horrible at arithmetic. :)

Thanks for the correction.

Take care.

Tom

"The beatings will stop when morale improves."
E. Teach, 1717

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:01:19 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JAXAshby wrote:
Is there a rule a thumb for sizing an auxiliary trolling outboard.

What size would be needed for a 30ft 10,000 lb boat?

none that you can buy will move that boat in anything other than a flat calm
and no current, except in Port Fantasy in LaLaLand.

Bull****. There are plenty of heavy 30 foot boats around with outboard
trolling motors that can move right along. Some of these boats have 20
or 25 hp outboards...I suspect most of them move on the outboards
faster than your crappy little sailboat.

I found on the Contender that the small trolling motor was more of a
pain that it was worth. Hard to control and you had to keep switching
the main engines on/off to do what I wanted.

I just gave up on it and went with a single main running in trolling
situations.

Take care.

Tom

"The beatings will stop when morale improves."
E. Teach, 1717

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:01:19 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JAXAshby wrote:
Is there a rule a thumb for sizing an auxiliary trolling outboard.

What size would be needed for a 30ft 10,000 lb boat?

none that you can buy will move that boat in anything other than a flat calm
and no current, except in Port Fantasy in LaLaLand.

Bull****. There are plenty of heavy 30 foot boats around with outboard
trolling motors that can move right along. Some of these boats have 20
or 25 hp outboards...I suspect most of them move on the outboards
faster than your crappy little sailboat.

I found on the Contender that the small trolling motor was more of a
pain that it was worth. Hard to control and you had to keep switching
the main engines on/off to do what I wanted.

I just gave up on it and went with a single main running in trolling
situations.

Take care.

Tom

"The beatings will stop when morale improves."
E. Teach, 1717



That's what I do for the most part when I can tolerate trolling, which
isn't often. But in the Bay, the conditions usually are ok for an 8 or 9
hp trolling motor on a 25 foot boat...most of the guys just have an
extended handle on the outboard to steer it with, and buy the model with
electric trim/tilt. They troll for stripers, really slow, in relatively
unchallenging sea conditions. Many of the larger Gradys and Parkers
hereabouts have trolling motor brackets.

--
"...vice president (Cheney), I'm surprised to hear him talk about
records. When he was one of 435 members of the United States House, he
was one of 10 to vote against Head Start, one of four to vote against
banning plastic weapons that can pass through metal detectors. He voted
against the Department of Education. He voted against funding for
Meals on Wheels for seniors. He voted against a holiday for Martin
Luther King. He voted against a resolution calling for the release of
Nelson Mandela in South Africa. It's amazing to hear him criticize
either my record or John Kerry's."

- Senator John Edwards, 10/05/04

okay, hoary. have it your way. put an electric trolling motor on a 30 foot
boat and have at it. get urself a couple extra batteries and ur set.

Harry Krause
Date: 10/6/2004 10:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

JAXAshby wrote:
electric?

hoary, trolling motors are those ****ant little electric things. Gas
engines
aren't trolling motors -- even tho they may be used for trolling -- they
are
gas motors.

Absurd. Trolling motors can be electric, or they can be gas outboards.
My Parker has an engine bracket with a built in mini bracket for an
outboard trolling motor. Many of the guys who troll seriously for
stripers in the Bay use outboards for trolling motors. Obviously, your
experiences are limited.

--
"...vice president (Cheney), I'm surprised to hear him talk about
records. When he was one of 435 members of the United States House, he
was one of 10 to vote against Head Start, one of four to vote against
banning plastic weapons that can pass through metal detectors. He voted
against the Department of Education. He voted against funding for
Meals on Wheels for seniors. He voted against a holiday for Martin
Luther King. He voted against a resolution calling for the release of
Nelson Mandela in South Africa. It's amazing to hear him criticize
either my record or John Kerry's."

- Senator John Edwards, 10/05/04

JAXAshby wrote:
okay, hoary. have it your way. put an electric trolling motor on a 30 foot
boat and have at it. get urself a couple extra batteries and ur set.

Harry Krause
Date: 10/6/2004 10:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

JAXAshby wrote:
electric?

hoary, trolling motors are those ****ant little electric things. Gas
engines
aren't trolling motors -- even tho they may be used for trolling -- they
are
gas motors.

Absurd. Trolling motors can be electric, or they can be gas outboards.
My Parker has an engine bracket with a built in mini bracket for an
outboard trolling motor. Many of the guys who troll seriously for
stripers in the Bay use outboards for trolling motors. Obviously, your
experiences are limited.

Nice try, booze for brains, but I never said the typical electric
trolling motor would be appropriate for a 30 footer. But many boats that
sized used for fishing in the Bay here have gasoline outboard motors for
trolling motors. You're not equipped for word games.


--
"...vice president (Cheney), I'm surprised to hear him talk about
records. When he was one of 435 members of the United States House, he
was one of 10 to vote against Head Start, one of four to vote against
banning plastic weapons that can pass through metal detectors. He voted
against the Department of Education. He voted against funding for
Meals on Wheels for seniors. He voted against a holiday for Martin
Luther King. He voted against a resolution calling for the release of
Nelson Mandela in South Africa. It's amazing to hear him criticize
either my record or John Kerry's."

- Senator John Edwards, 10/05/04

On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:30:56 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:01:19 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JAXAshby wrote:
Is there a rule a thumb for sizing an auxiliary trolling outboard.

What size would be needed for a 30ft 10,000 lb boat?

none that you can buy will move that boat in anything other than a flat calm
and no current, except in Port Fantasy in LaLaLand.

Bull****. There are plenty of heavy 30 foot boats around with outboard
trolling motors that can move right along. Some of these boats have 20
or 25 hp outboards...I suspect most of them move on the outboards
faster than your crappy little sailboat.

I found on the Contender that the small trolling motor was more of a
pain that it was worth. Hard to control and you had to keep switching
the main engines on/off to do what I wanted.

I just gave up on it and went with a single main running in trolling
situations.

That's what I do for the most part when I can tolerate trolling, which
isn't often. But in the Bay, the conditions usually are ok for an 8 or 9
hp trolling motor on a 25 foot boat...most of the guys just have an
extended handle on the outboard to steer it with, and buy the model with
electric trim/tilt. They troll for stripers, really slow, in relatively
unchallenging sea conditions. Many of the larger Gradys and Parkers
hereabouts have trolling motor brackets.

We used to do that when I was in high school. The school had two 18
foot Swampscott Dory's with engine wells - man, that was so cool -
whipping down the harbor in a flat bottomed dory standing up in the
bow to trim the boat with that long tiller stick attached to the 30 hp
engine handle.

Those were the days. :)

Later,

Tom
-----------
"Angling may be said to be so
like the mathematics that it
can never be fully learnt..."

Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653

Around 10/7/2004 6:10 AM, JohnH wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Absurd. Trolling motors can be electric, or they can be gas outboards.
My Parker has an engine bracket with a built in mini bracket for an
outboard trolling motor. Many of the guys who troll seriously for
stripers in the Bay use outboards for trolling motors. Obviously, your
experiences are limited.


A very small minority of bay fisherman use a separate, small outboard for
trolling. I know two who have separate 'trolling outboards' mounted, but seldom,
if ever, use them for trolling.

A large majority of Puget Sound fishermen use a separate, small outboard
for trolling. If you ever come and take a tour of the Everett marina,
you'll see that every third small boat that isn't a sailboat has a
"kicker" for fishing.


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

Garth Almgren wrote:
Around 10/7/2004 6:10 AM, JohnH wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Absurd. Trolling motors can be electric, or they can be gas outboards.
My Parker has an engine bracket with a built in mini bracket for an
outboard trolling motor. Many of the guys who troll seriously for
stripers in the Bay use outboards for trolling motors. Obviously, your
experiences are limited.


A very small minority of bay fisherman use a separate, small outboard for
trolling. I know two who have separate 'trolling outboards' mounted, but seldom,
if ever, use them for trolling.

A large majority of Puget Sound fishermen use a separate, small outboard
for trolling. If you ever come and take a tour of the Everett marina,
you'll see that every third small boat that isn't a sailboat has a
"kicker" for fishing.


No offense, but JohnH is not a particularly experienced or skilled
Chesapeake Bay fisherman, and, by his own admission, tends to head out
on the Bay during the week, when it is, by his standard, "less crowded."
That in itself is pretty silly, since the Bay is a large body of water
and even on the weekends, you rarely see large numbers of boaters in one
smaller area unless you're very near Annapolis or over on the other side
of the Bay in the bar and restaurant zone. Most drift-troll fishing
areas aren't crowded on the weekends.

In any event, on the average weekend day when I am out, I might see 25
boats trolling boats the size and style of my Parker (and of course
larger and smaller boats), and about a third will have small outboard
trolling motors in use. In my mind, that's "many."




--
"...vice president (Cheney), I'm surprised to hear him talk about
records. When he was one of 435 members of the United States House, he
was one of 10 to vote against Head Start, one of four to vote against
banning plastic weapons that can pass through metal detectors. He voted
against the Department of Education. He voted against funding for
Meals on Wheels for seniors. He voted against a holiday for Martin
Luther King. He voted against a resolution calling for the release of
Nelson Mandela in South Africa. It's amazing to hear him criticize
either my record or John Kerry's."

- Senator John Edwards, 10/05/04