Gould 0738 wrote:
Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce the subject of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch



You may be right.

I hadn't considered the effect such a remark would have on people who consider
homosexuality a vile, deviant, "sin" rather than a biological anomaly.

A liberal hears, "So and so has a lesbian daughter," and to us it sounds like,
"The
Jones family has a kid who is left handed."

Conservatives hear the same remark and perhaps some of them conclude, "The
Jones family must have done a crappy job of raising their kids if one of them
turned out queer. They should have taken them to church more often. How sad to
think that nice young woman is condemned to burn in hell for all eternity."

If Edwards had a malicious intent when he commented on Cheney's daughter and
the support the Cheney family has extended to her, then the comments that it
was a "shot" have some legs.

If a conservative had made that comment, it is more likely that it would have
been malicious than when the same comment is made by a moderate or a liberal.
Goes to frame of reference.



Gould,

Nice of you to practice amateur human psychology, but sometimes you
think too much. My comment had nothing to do with being a liberal,
moderate or conservative. It had to do with my belief that in a
political debate, your opponent's family issues should be off limits.
Period.

If the moderator brought up the subject of Cheney's daughter and the
fact that she is gay - then she screwed up. I don't recall that, but it
may have been. I recall the moderator posing a question related to gay
marriages, but don't recall her specifically mentioning Cheney's
daughter. I could be wrong.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
Gould 0738 wrote:
Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce the subject of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch



You may be right.

I hadn't considered the effect such a remark would have on people who consider
homosexuality a vile, deviant, "sin" rather than a biological anomaly.

A liberal hears, "So and so has a lesbian daughter," and to us it sounds like,
"The
Jones family has a kid who is left handed."

Conservatives hear the same remark and perhaps some of them conclude, "The
Jones family must have done a crappy job of raising their kids if one of them
turned out queer. They should have taken them to church more often. How sad to
think that nice young woman is condemned to burn in hell for all eternity."

If Edwards had a malicious intent when he commented on Cheney's daughter and
the support the Cheney family has extended to her, then the comments that it
was a "shot" have some legs.

If a conservative had made that comment, it is more likely that it would have
been malicious than when the same comment is made by a moderate or a liberal.
Goes to frame of reference.



Gould,

Nice of you to practice amateur human psychology, but sometimes you
think too much. My comment had nothing to do with being a liberal,
moderate or conservative. It had to do with my belief that in a
political debate, your opponent's family issues should be off limits.
Period.

If the moderator brought up the subject of Cheney's daughter and the
fact that she is gay - then she screwed up. I don't recall that, but it
may have been. I recall the moderator posing a question related to gay
marriages, but don't recall her specifically mentioning Cheney's
daughter. I could be wrong.

Eisboch


Dubya Dopey made "gayness" and "gay marriage" an issue in this campaign
and, to his credit, Grumpy Dick and Lynn Vader feel it shouldn't be. I
certainly can appreciate, though, that to save face, Grumpy Dick has to
support his boss, even if he is winking when he does it.





--
"...vice president (Cheney), I'm surprised to hear him talk about
records. When he was one of 435 members of the United States House, he
was one of 10 to vote against Head Start, one of four to vote against
banning plastic weapons that can pass through metal detectors. He voted
against the Department of Education. He voted against funding for
Meals on Wheels for seniors. He voted against a holiday for Martin
Luther King. He voted against a resolution calling for the release of
Nelson Mandela in South Africa. It's amazing to hear him criticize
either my record or John Kerry's."

- Senator John Edwards, 10/05/04

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:10:31 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


If the moderator brought up the subject of Cheney's daughter and the
fact that she is gay - then she screwed up. I don't recall that, but it
may have been. I recall the moderator posing a question related to gay
marriages, but don't recall her specifically mentioning Cheney's
daughter.
I could be wrong.

Not specifically, but...

IFILL: The next question goes to you, Mr. Vice President.

I want to read something you said four years ago at this very setting:
"Freedom means freedom for everybody." You said it again recently when you
were asked about legalizing same-sex unions. And you used your family's
experience as a context for your remarks.

Can you describe then your administration's support for a constitutional
ban on same-sex unions?